The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Mr.
Eric Illsley
Betts,
Mr. Clive
(Sheffield, Attercliffe)
(Lab)
Blunt,
Mr. Crispin
(Reigate)
(Con)
Borrow,
Mr. David S.
(South Ribble)
(Lab)
Brake,
Tom
(Carshalton and Wallington)
(LD)
Campbell,
Mr. Alan
(Lord Commissioner of Her Majesty's
Treasury)
Green,
Damian
(Ashford)
(Con)
Hillier,
Meg
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Home
Department)Huhne,
Chris
(Eastleigh)
(LD)
Milburn,
Mr. Alan
(Darlington)
(Lab)
Pritchard,
Mark
(The Wrekin)
(Con)
Reed,
Mr. Jamie
(Copeland)
(Lab)
Ryan,
Joan
(Enfield, North)
(Lab)
Stewart,
Ian
(Eccles) (Lab)
Stringer,
Graham
(Manchester, Blackley)
(Lab)
Syms,
Mr. Robert
(Poole)
(Con)
Tyrie,
Mr. Andrew
(Chichester)
(Con)
Mark Oxborough, Committee
Clerk
attended the
Committee
Seventh
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Tuesday 1
July
2008
[Mr.
Eric Illsley in the
Chair]
Draft Immigration (Biometric Registration) (Civil Penalty Code of Practice) Order 2008
4.30
pm
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department (Meg
Hillier): I beg to
move,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Immigration (Biometric
Registration) (Civil Penalty Code of Practice) Order
2008.
The
Chairman: With this it will be convenient to consider the
draft Immigration (Biometric Registration) Regulations
2008.
Meg
Hillier: As you know, Mr. Illsley, the
Government remain committed to securing the UKs borders,
improving immigration control and reducing the number of people who
take false identities to try to enter the UK. To achieve that, we
introduced registration powers in the UK Borders Act 2007 to allow the
Secretary of State to issue to foreign nationals who are subject to
immigration control secure, reliable documents that include
peoples biometricsthat is, in this case,
fingerprints.
By
doing that we will comply, of course, with amended European regulations
on uniform residents permits, which will require the UK to
issue an identity card whenever it grants leave to remain to a foreign
national.
The
regulations and the order form part of the Governments
commitment to securing the countrys border and they are
designed to enable the issue of the first identity cards to foreign
nationals staying in the UK in November of this year. These measures
are intended to replace the Immigration (Biometric Registration)
(Pilot) Regulations 2008, which Parliament approved in April, when a
number of us on the Committee were also
present.
I
have arranged for a draft information leaflet and other information to
be made available to Members. I understand that not all Members have
received this, so I will look into the matter and find out why. I
should stress that the information, which some Members have received
and others not, is only a draft and may be subject to change. I felt it
would be helpful for Members to see what was available in order better
to explain what we are trying to
do.
The
identity card will be credit-card sized. It will contain the
holders unique biometric data samples, which will include two
fingerprint samples and the face, and will be embedded in a highly
secure chip. The facial image will also appear on the face of the card
and the card will include biographical information similar to that on a
passport page with the photograph on. That will include the
holders name, immigration status, nationality, date and place
of birth, and gender. As we
are in Committee, I will not show people now, but I
have a dummy card on me if any Members are keen to see it after the
debate.
The
introduction of identity cards to foreign nationals is a key part of
the Governments strategy to combat illegal working and other
abuses of immigration rules. We are focusing on foreign nationals in
the first instance, before British citizens, because of the
difficulties that employers experience in deciding whether foreign
nationals are entitled to work in the UK and because of the importance
of issuing a secure and reliable document as proof of a persons
immigration
status.
To
draw a contrast with the current situation, there are about 50
different documents issued to foreign nationals who are granted leave
in the UK, which makes it complex for employers and service providers
to check whether a person has entitlement to work and a job or to
access to public
funds.
As
I think I said the last time that we debated these matters, I visited a
bus company in my constituency that employs expert people to check
documents. The identity card will speed up those checks and reduce the
need for skilled staff to spend time and company money on them. The
identity cards will be a more secure means of demonstrating a
persons entitlement to work and to live in the UK. Given our
crackdown on illegal working and immigration fraud, we consider it a
high priority to issue identity cards to foreign nationals subject to
immigration
control.
Our
long-term intention is significantly to reduce the number of acceptable
immigration documents issued by the UK Border Agency to a smaller
number of identity cards and visas. That will make things much simpler,
as opposed to the current plethora of information. The UKBA website
shows examples of the many different documents that people can provide.
While that website provides some guidance, having the card will make
life a lot
easier.
Foreign
nationals who are legally in the country will be easily able to prove
their entitlement to work and benefits. There are also important
spin-off measures enabling us to increase our ability to identify
children who may have been trafficked, and work with units such as our
asylum screening unit and the wider e-borders programme to spot and
tackle people who have caused
problems.
In
relation to the enrolment pilot, which we have been conducting in
Croydon and which I visited this morning, I discovered that last Friday
and yesterday there were arrests of two individuals who had previously
tried to enter the UK and had tried to apply again to enter. Their
fingerprinting alone helped to catch them. They have been arrested and
will be dealt with
accordingly.
The
card will be rolled out incrementally, as the Home Secretary announced
in March, and our strategy is to minimise risk and maximise efficiency.
We are prioritising two groups in the first instance. As in the pilot,
these are people who apply to enter as a spouse, partner or civil
partner and people who are coming to study. We identified those as risk
groups because, unfortunately, a number of people who have leave in
that category go on to breach immigration laws. We have based this on
risk
analysis.
I
will not set out each measure in detail, but I am happy to answer
questions, which I am sure hon. Members will have. I should also
mention the code of conduct.
When a person fails to comply with the registration requirement in the
document, a sanction may be imposed, and the code sets out the
consequences of failure to comply. It makes it clear that the
requirements to comply and the penalties for non-compliance are split
into two categories. Those were previously described as primary and
secondary requirements. We have now termed them application and
maintenance requirements, as a result of the consultation exercise on
the
proposal.
There
is a higher penalty for people who do not apply properly or make an
error in application than for those who make errors in maintenance.
Where a person is applying for leave and is required to apply for an
identity card, we will normally disregard or refuse their immigration
application unless they comply with the requirement to apply for an
identity
card.
The
order represents an important step as the UK moves, in time, towards
introducing identity cards for British citizens. We are starting with
foreign nationals in November. That is an essential part of our
strategy for combating irregular migration and the associated abuses. I
hope that hon. Members will join me in supporting these important
measures, which will make our country more
secure.
4.37
pm
Damian
Green (Ashford) (Con): I am grateful for the
Ministers remarks about the distributionor
non-distributionof the various documents that are essential for
scrutiny of these measures. As she knows, I have not received some of
them and I discover that my hon. Friend the Member for Reigate received
them only this morning. I am sure that she, and you Mr.
Illsley, would accept that timing of that kind does not allow for
proper scrutiny. I hope an investigation can be made of the
distribution of documents to the
Committee.
To
move to the substance of what is before us, as the Minister knows, we
on the Conservative Benches have no objection in principle to the
issuing of biometric immigration documents to foreign nationals when
that is useful. As I understand itwe have been round this
course beforethe Government want to collect biometric data on
everyone, foreigners and British nationals alike. Given the history,
those data will be assembled on one database, which will then be lost
or mislaid. The Liberal Democrats position is that they do not
want to collect biometric data from
anybody.
I
think that there is a sensible middle way: we should collect biometric
data when that contributes towards the primary objective of these
measures, which is to secure the integrity and security of our borders.
That is our position, but our support for the collection and use of
biometric data does not extend to the full ambitions of the
Minister.
The
Minister has confirmed that the Government have selected students and
spouses to be the first foreign nationals to be required to produce ID
cards because, as the Government put it, those categories are
susceptible to those who seek to abuse immigration controls. Will she
clarify when other foreign nationals will be subject to those controls?
There have been differing messages from the Government about that. Will
she also explain the explanatory notes, which say that a roll-out of
the cards to all foreign nationals is being undertaken on an
incremental basis. Can that be right? All foreign nationals
in this country? European economic area citizens? Are they all going to
have to provide biometric details? If so, over what
period?
Will
the Minister also confirm that she expects ID cards, as she calls them,
for foreign nationals to save £29.8 million over 10 years
through reduced fraud and crime? ThisI suspect
spuriouslyexact figure suggests a rather modest saving. Given
the huge expense of the system, it seems that ministerial rhetoric to
the effect that these cards will bring about an end to fraud and
criminality among those who have to carry them is not being borne out
by the Governments own statistics.
What have
the Government been doing to alert employers and universities to the
roll-out of these cards? Will the Minister give us an assessment of
whether universities and employers are ready for their implementation?
How many private bodiesuniversities or employerswill be
required to purchase equipment to allow them to read the biometric
information in these documents? Will she give us an idea of the cost to
industry and to universities of the purchase of those pieces of
equipment?
We
broadly welcome the introduction of the civil penalty code of practice,
as it is helpful in setting out what is expected of the authorities and
of individuals, and indeed what they can expect of each other. In
particular, we welcome the safeguards that have been put in place for
vulnerable people and the distinction in severity between application
and maintenance
requirements.
The
Minister will remember that during the passage of the UK Borders Bill
we pressed the Government for a public consultation, which has now
happened. However, the code of practice is precisely thata
code, not a legal requirement. What measures will she take to ensure
that it is widely and well understood? I am sure she agrees that it
would be unacceptable for the code simply to be sent out and forgotten.
How will she ensure that her Department, the UK Border Agency and HM
Courts Service are properly advised of what the code requires of
them?
The
code states that if, having sent someone a warning letter that a civil
penalty will be issued, the Secretary of State fails to issue the
penalty within 32 working days, no further action will be taken with
respect to that particular non-compliance. Given the history, is the
Minister entirely confident that the Home Office will be able to
process all such notices within 32 working days? Does she expect any
breaches? More particularly, how many staff at the Home Office will
have to deal with the extra work that the code will produce? Will the
regime set out in the code and the ensuing penalties be broadly
self-financing or will they entail extra cost to the
taxpayer?
The
code states that there is no direct appeal against a decision of the
Home Secretary not to issue an ID card. Will the Minister clarify what
indirect routes of appeal people will have in the event of an
administrative mistake by the Home Office that causes them to fail to
get an ID card to which they may be
entitled?
In
setting out the penalties that can be imposed on persons other than the
holder of the document, the code includes
a person who
acquires an identity card without the consent of the Secretary of
State.
That
seems to me to be a significant development, because it shows the
Government accepting that they will end up issuing cards to people who
are not entitled
to them or who may have obtained them fraudulently.
Given that the thrust of the Governments argument is that the
biometric cards are foolproof, tamperproof and cannot be issued to
people who are not entitled to them, there is some significance in the
fact that the code of practice has to include people who will have done
precisely those
things.
There
will be people out there who gain these cards, which everyone is going
to rely on completely, even if they are not entitled to them. I hope
that the Minister can enlighten us as to the circumstances in which she
thinks that will
happen.
On
the narrow issue of the code of practice, we welcome many things in it,
but overall Ministers are going to be hugely disappointed if they think
that what they are doing is a step towards a national, all-purpose
identity card scheme. As the Minister is well aware, she is
progressively losing that wider argument and, frankly, as I have said
before, the sooner the overall national identity card scheme is buried,
the better for
everyone.
4.46
pm
Tom
Brake (Carshalton and Wallington) (LD): It is a pleasure
to serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Illsley, and I thank
the Minister for her brief explanation of the draft Immigration
(Biometric Registration) Regulations 2008. I have a few questions for
her.
The
Minister will be aware that in the cost-benefit analysis the net
benefit of the implementation of identity cards for in-country students
and marriage applicants is costed at minus £10.5 million. When
does she expect a positive as opposed to a negative benefit? The
benefits listed in that analysis and evidence on page 6 of the
explanatory notes are reduction in benefit fraud, crime reduction,
reduction in fraudulent appeals and fewer removals due to travel
deterrent. Will she say a little more about how those figures have been
arrived at, what degree of certainty there is about the way they are
calculated and how subject they might be to
variation?
The
Minister has explained the decision taken in relation to the roll-out
strategy. Geographical, nationality and category options were
considered and the Government went for the category option, which, as
she acknowledges, or the documentation acknowledges, still ends up in
some ways focusing on a small number of countries from which a large
number of students will be affectedChina, Pakistan and India in
particular.
What
discussions, if any, has the Minister had with representatives of those
countries and, indeed, organisations that represent foreign students?
What preparations are being made and what information will be made
available about this, so that students do not fall foul of the rules
unnecessarily?
On
that point, section 4 of the draft code of practice, Process
Before Issuing A Sanction,
states:
Where
the Secretary of State is satisfied that the person has failed to
comply with an application or maintenance compliance
requirement... without a reasonable
explanation.
Will
the Minister set out what a reasonable explanation might be for not
complying with the requirement and whether, if a reasonable explanation
is given, there is still a possibility that charges, or fines, will be
levied, notwithstanding the fact that perhaps a reasonable explanation
has been deployed?
Finally, will
the Minister give us an update on how reliable or otherwise the
technology is that the Government will be relying upon, and therefore
what rough-and-ready calculation Members might make on the number of
people who might fall foul of these measures simply because the
technology did not
work?
4.49
pm