The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Mr.
Mike Hancock
Buck,
Ms Karen
(Regent's Park and Kensington, North)
(Lab)
Byers,
Mr. Stephen
(North Tyneside)
(Lab)
Featherstone,
Lynne
(Hornsey and Wood Green)
(LD)
Heppell,
Mr. John
(Nottingham, East)
(Lab)
Hesford,
Stephen
(Wirral, West)
(Lab)
Howarth,
David
(Cambridge)
(LD)
Hurd,
Mr. Nick
(Ruislip-Northwood)
(Con)
Khan,
Mr. Sadiq
(Tooting)
(Lab)
Laing,
Mrs. Eleanor
(Epping Forest)
(Con)
Prentice,
Bridget
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for
Justice)
Raynsford,
Mr. Nick
(Greenwich and Woolwich)
(Lab)
Reed,
Mr. Jamie
(Copeland)
(Lab)
Scott,
Mr. Lee
(Ilford, North)
(Con)
Wilson,
Phil
(Sedgefield)
(Lab)
Yeo,
Mr. Tim
(South Suffolk)
(Con)
Young,
Sir George
(North-West Hampshire)
(Con)
Mike Clark, Committee
Clerk
attended the
Committee
Ninth
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Wednesday
2 July
2008
[Mr.
Mike Hancock in the
Chair]
Draft Representation of the People (Amendment) Regulations 2008
2.30
pm
The
Chairman: Before we start, I apologise to Members for the
problems resulting from my sore throat. I hope that this will be an
harmonious and quick meeting for that reason. I hope that all Members
got a copy of the consultation that I put on the board for them last
night, after the Minister was good enough to send it to
me.
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Justice (Bridget
Prentice): I beg to
move,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Representation of the People
(Amendment) Regulations
2008.
First,
Mr. Hancock, on behalf of all members of the Committee, I
offer commiserations for your sore throat. I am sure that we will be
especially well behaved and not force you to strain your voice any
further.
The
purpose of the amending regulations is to allow a new fee to be payable
by those who are authorised to be supplied with copies of the marked
register of electors and the lists of postal voters, proxy voters and
proxy postal voters that are produced at elections. Copies of those
marked registers may be supplied after an election to allow certain
authorised persons, such as candidates and the political parties, to
use them for electoral purposes. The regulations set out a new fee for
the supply of registers produced at parliamentary elections in England,
Scotland and Wales, local government elections in England and Wales and
the National Assembly elections in Wales.
There is
obviously no need to tell hon. Members of the importance of such
registers to political parties and elected representatives. Ideally, I
wanted the regulations to be in place before the May elections, but
that was simply not possible because of the number of steps that had to
be taken to get the new fees in place, so I apologise for that. We have
given careful consideration to assessing the costs to local authorities
and have been able to produce a balance between those costs and what is
affordable to the candidates and political parties, but that took
longer than I originally hoped. I assure members of the Committee that
the new fee will apply to all requests for copies of the marked
register that are made after the regulations have come into force,
including copies of the registers produced at the May 2008 elections. I
have written to all hon. Members to advise them of the new structure
and hope that they can pass on to their colleagues in their
constituencies and on the ground who might be planning to purchase
copies of the register that my best advice is to wait until the
regulations come into force before making an
application.
I
know that my hon. and good Friend the Whip would like the Committee to
get through its business in less than three minutes and 40 seconds, but
I will have to upset him slightly on this occasion. At the May 2007
elections, we introduced a new framework governing
access to and supply of marked registers at elections, which included a
formula for calculating the fees payable. The aim was to standardise
fees and ensure consistency in the amount charged across the UK. The
fee was intended to cover the reasonable costs that a local authority
might incur by producing the documents, not to provide it with a
profit. However, the effect of those fees was to increase the amount
that political parties and candidates had to pay, in some cases
considerably, and by no means did we achieve the consistency that we
had hoped for when we passed the legislation a couple of years ago.
Although that legislation was debated and approved by both Houses, its
full implications did not come to light at that time. With hindsight,
the impact was not fully understood and only became apparent after the
regulations took effect. That is a lesson that we have to learn. We
will take it on board when developing other
proposals.
I received
many representations from political parties and hon. Members expressing
concern about the impact of the fees. My hon. Friend the Member for
Stoke-on-Trent, North (Joan Walley) tabled an early-day motion, which
was supported by a large number of our colleagues. As a result of those
concerns, I issued a consultation paper in July last year setting out
proposals on the fees for marked registers. It was aimed at political
parties, local authorities, local electoral officers and the Electoral
Commission. It set out a number of possible options: that there would
be no fee, that fees would be set at a lower level, or that no change
would be made to the 2007 levels. We received 97 responses by the close
of the consultation in October last
year.
The
response paper to which you referred, Mr. Hancock, outlines
what the responses were. Just over half the respondents said that the
current fees were too high. Not surprisingly, candidates, elected
representatives, political parties and agents described the impact of
the fee charges as significant. Interestingly, the electoral
administrators noticed that there had been a considerable drop in the
take-up of the purchase of registers.
There was no
consensus on what the fee level should be. Perhaps we should not be too
surprised, but the views of political parties and agents and the local
authorities were quite polarised. The consultation showed up the
significant variation in the costs that local authorities said they
incurred in producing the document. We conducted further work, looking
at a sample of local authorities to try to understand in more detail
what the cost drivers were, which resulted in some useful information.
I was mindful that we needed to strike a balance between the costs
incurred by the local authorities in producing copies of the register
and their importance to the political parties in campaigning and
maximising turnout. I hope that we have reached the correct
balance.
Under
regulation 2 there is a transitional provision so that the new fee will
not apply to requests for copies of the marked register or list made
before the regulations come into force, hence my earlier advice. It
will apply to new requests, including those in reference to
Mays elections, and to the registers produced at the elections
for the National Assembly for Wales. Regulations 6 to 8 make equivalent
amendments to the regulations for Scotland. The fee will now also apply
to UK parliamentary elections in
Scotland.
The
regulations introduce a new formula for calculating the fee for the
supply of a copy of the whole or any part of the register or list. The
new formula produces a fee
that equates on average to the reasonable cost to a local authority of
producing copies of the document. The new fee structure will work in
the following way. There will be a single administration fee of
£10 per request. There will be an additional £2 charge
for each part or complete copy of 1,000 entries in the printed format,
the cost of which used to be £5. Copies of each part or complete
copy of 1,000 entries in the electronic format will cost an additional
£1, rather than the old charge of
£1.50.
Using
the new formula, depending on the mixture of paper and electronic data
that is provided in response to any request, the formula will produce a
fee for a ward of 10,000 electors of between £20 and £30.
The lower figure is the cost of an entirely electronic set of data and
the higher is for the information on paper. The fee for a constituency
of 70,000 electors will be between £80 and £150. That is
a significant reduction in the level of fees. The cost of a copy of
marked registers at the top end of the current fee regime would be
£60 for a ward of 10,000 electors and £360 for a
constituency of
70,000.
In
setting the new fees, I hope that we have struck the correct balance.
Local authorities will be covered for the reasonable costs of providing
copies and data, and the cost of purchasing the marked register will
not be prohibitive to candidates, elected representatives and political
parties. The changes will create a more level playing field for
candidates, elected representatives and political parties on the funds
that they can make available to carry out the important democratic
function of encouraging participation and turnout. The new fees take
into account the information that we have obtained from local
authorities on the costs of producing copies incurred by them. We do
not believe that the regulations will result in a new burden on local
authorities. They restore the fees for the marked register to a level
that will be affordable to candidates and political parties, while
still providing for the recovery of costs. On that basis, I commend the
regulations to the
Committee.
The
Chairman: Mr. Khan, you lost the Whip of the
week title very
rapidly.
2.41
pm
Mrs.
Eleanor Laing (Epping Forest) (Con): Thank you,
Mr. Hancock. I am glad that you have already pointed out
that the Government Whip has lost his Whip of the week challenge. It
will not be my fault if the Committee sits for more than three
hourssorry, I meant to say three minutes and 40 seconds. I know
that we cannot sit for more than three hours but I had thought that
this was the sort of Committee that might take about an hour and 20
minutes. In deference to the health of your voice and throat,
Mr. Hancock, I will endeavour to be as quick as I possibly
cannot for the sake of pleasing the Government Whip, which is
not my business at
all.
In
her very thorough explanation of the reasons behind the regulations,
the Minister answered most of the questions that I would have asked. I
looked at what we said during the passage of the Electoral
Administration Act 2006. I had thought, correctly, that Conservative
Members had expressed concern about access to the register under the
core provisions introduced by that Act, and I remain concerned. Those
who, for good reasons, need access to the register should have
access
to both the marked and the unmarked register. So, for all the reasons
that the Minister mentioned, I am pleased that the Government have made
these proposals
today.
We
have to recognise that somebody has to pay for administrative work. If
the local authority does not charge properly and fairly, it will have
to bear the cost, and we all know that that means that those who are
paying for the local authoritytaxpayers in our
constituencieswill have to pay for the work. In all
reasonableness, the Minister has put forward a very well balanced
argument for going ahead with the
proposals.
I
am grateful that we were all properly consulted on the new structure.
In debates similar to this one, I have found myself asking the Minister
or her colleagues to explain the consultation process and to explain
why there was no proper consultation. On this occasion, however, we
were all consulted, just for once. The people most affected are elected
representatives and those standing for election, so consulting Members
of Parliament was absolutely correct. I am convinced that that was done
properly and I have no argument with the Minister on that
score.
We are the
people with experience and the consultation has produced the compromise
that the Minister has brought before us today. I hope that when the
regulations come into force, they will improve access to the register
for good democratic reasons, about which I have been concerned since
the matter was first raised in 2005. I totally support what the
Minister has proposed.
2.44
pm
Lynne
Featherstone (Hornsey and Wood Green) (LD): It is a great
pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Hancock. I
believe that it is the first time that I have done so.
The Liberal
Democrats welcome the new charging rates for the marked register,
particularly the cost reductions that they represent. We have always
believed that a greater proportion of the cost should be borne by the
state, because of the benefits from access that accrue to the political
process and inclusion in democracy. Some financial barriers in
elections, such as candidates deposits, exist to deter some of
the more frivolous uses of the electoral system, but excessive fees for
items that are absolutely essential to the political process and its
function can be viewed as a hindrance to democracy. Againstas
the Minister saida backdrop of falling voter participation and
the concerning increased apathy to the electoral process, it is
important that political parties be allowed to focus their resources on
directly engaging with
voters.
Not
only that, but we must think beyond the established political parties.
A system that facilitates and encourages new entrants to the political
arena is an attribute of a healthy and vibrant democracy, and we should
not forget that independent and single-issue candidates across the
country play an important part in delivering local democracy and
challenging the sometimes stale orthodoxy of local
politicsobviously, that does not apply to us. High electoral
fees represent a significant cost to those candidates and can be a
complete bar to their participation, in terms of contacting voters who
have voted in previous elections. We welcome the reduction in
cost.
2.46
pm
Bridget
Prentice: I thank both hon. Ladies, and welcome the hon.
Member for Hornsey and Wood Green to the Committee and to her post. I
am grateful for the
comments they made, which, as the hon. Member for Epping Forest said,
show that those of us who are at the coal face understand what is
needed on these matters.
Sir
George Young (North-West Hampshire) (Con): Will the hon.
Lady say on which date people should apply to get the benefit of the
new
fees?
Bridget
Prentice: Certainly not today, but as soon as the new
structure is in place. I would like to see it in place before the
recess, if possible. I will ensure that the
Committee and all Members of Parliament are informed as soon as the
regulations have been properly made. At that time, I expect to see a
surge in photocopying or data processing in local authorities up and
down the
country.
The
Chairman: For the Ministers benefit, let me say
that there was a nodding of heads on my right as you spoke. So,
Minister, you have not committed your officials to something that they
were not expecting. For once, you are on safe
ground.
Question
put and agreed
to.
Committee
rose at twelve minutes to Three
oclock.