The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Mr.
Mike
Hancock
Barrett,
John
(Edinburgh, West)
(LD)
Burns,
Mr. Simon
(West Chelmsford)
(Con)
Cawsey,
Mr. Ian
(Brigg and Goole)
(Lab)
Clarke,
Mr. Tom
(Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill)
(Lab)
Johnson,
Ms Diana R.
(Kingston upon Hull, North)
(Lab)
Lancaster,
Mr. Mark
(North-East Milton Keynes)
(Con)
McCarthy,
Kerry
(Bristol, East)
(Lab)
Mactaggart,
Fiona
(Slough) (Lab)
Malik,
Mr. Shahid
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for
International
Development)
Moore,
Mr. Michael
(Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk)
(LD)
Shepherd,
Mr. Richard
(Aldridge-Brownhills)
(Con)
Sheridan,
Jim
(Paisley and Renfrewshire, North)
(Lab)
Simon,
Mr. Siôn
(Birmingham, Erdington)
(Lab)
Soames,
Mr. Nicholas
(Mid-Sussex)
(Con)
Stanley,
Sir John
(Tonbridge and Malling)
(Con)
Winnick,
Mr. David
(Walsall, North)
(Lab)
Glen McKee, Committee
Clerk
attended the
Committee
Ninth
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Wednesday 9
July
2008
[Mr.
Mike Hancock in the
Chair]
Draft International Development Association (Fifteenth Replenishment) Order 2008
2.30
pm
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for International Development
(Mr. Shahid Malik): I beg to
move,
That
the Committee has considered the draft International Development
Association Fifteenth Replenishment Order
2008.
The
Chairman: With this it will be convenient to consider the
draft International Development Association (Multilateral Debt Relief
Initiative) (Amendment) Order
2008.
Mr.
Malik: It is a pleasure, Mr. Hancock, to serve
under your chairmanship. The Committee is considering two draft orders.
The first covers the UKs proposed contribution to the 15th
replenishment of the International Development Association of the World
Bank, which assists the poorest countries. The second is an amendment
to the UKs contribution to the multilateral debt relief
initiative order 2006, which enables the UK to finance irrevocable debt
relief to the International Development Association. Both orders are
crucial to the Department for International Developments
efforts to help developing countries lift themselves out of
poverty.
The
International Development Association was established in 1960 and is
part of the World Bank group. IDA is the worlds largest single
provider of concessional resources for poor countries. It helps to
reduce poverty by providing interest-free loans and grants for
programmes aimed at boosting economic growth and tackling poverty.
IDAs annual commitments have increased steadily and averaged
more than £5 billion a year over the past three years. The World
Bank shares DFIDs overarching ambition to eradicate poverty and
provides assistance across a wide range of sectors from education to
water, sanitation, health and
infrastructure.
The
World Bank is one of the most effective development institutions and
plays an important role. As the recent International Development
Committee report on the World Bank
states,
The
World Bank is a vital component in the international development
system. The Bank is a major provider of development funding, analysis
and advice. Its lead is often followed by other donors and
agencies.
IDA
is replenished every three years. The replenishment process is an
opportunity to discuss ways in which the Bank can improve its
effectiveness to make the best possible contribution to the millennium
development goals. Negotiations on the 15th replenishment of IDA,
known, curiously, as IDA 15, were concluded in December 2007. The UK
took a strong lead in the negotiations
and secured important policy changes, which are captured in the IDA 15
replenishment report. A copy of that report is
available.
The
most significant commitments are on decentralisation, policy
conditionality, fragile states, climate change, gender and regional
integration. Donor countries pledged a record £12.5 billion, 42
per cent. more than last time. In addition, £8 billion will come
from internal World Bank group financing and the multilateral debt
relief initiative financing. As a result, IDA 15 will provide
£20.8 billion over the next three years to help the
worlds poorest countries achieve the millennium development
goals.
As my right
hon. Friend the Secretary of State for International Development told
Parliament last December, the UK Government pledged £2.134
billion to IDA 15. That represents a 49 per cent. increase on the
UKs commitment to IDA 14. Our contribution constitutes a 14 per
cent. share of total donor funding, and takes account of the
effectiveness of IDA, the role that IDA plays in the international
system, the level of financing provided by other donors and the reforms
that we have secured.
I turn now to
the multilateral debt relief order. So far the MDRI has delivered
£21 billion of debt cancellation for 23 countries, 19 of which
are African. By reducing the burden of debt that poor countries have
suffered in the past, debt relief enables them to fund essential
services such as health and education, and to make crucial investments
in infrastructure.
Those deliver real benefits to
poor people. The Tanzanian Government used some of their debt relief to
build around 2,500 primary schools and to recruit 28,000 more teachers.
As a result, the number of children in primary school has risen by more
than 50 per cent. Countries such as Ghana and Sierra Leone
have used the debt relief to increase electricity supply, which is
essential for business, job creation and growth, as well as for
improving the quality of peoples lives
generally.
The
multilateral debt relief initiative irrevocably cancels the debts that
heavily indebted poor countries owe to the International Development
Association. A central principle of MDRI is that debt cancellation
should lead to additional resources for poor countries, so donors
agreed to meet the full cost, dollar for dollar, of the MDRI. During
the recent replenishment negotiations donors reaffirmed the importance
of delivering on that
promise.
In
2006, Parliament agreed that the UK should provide its share of MDRI
financing and give the World Bank a binding commitment to make each
annual payment until 2016. The MDRI 2006 order needs to be amended to
cover payments to 2019, which involves an additional £144
million, increasing our total commitment to £736
million. It is essential that we meet our part of the bargain and help
to lift the burden of debt from the poorest countries, allowing them to
get back on track to meet the millennium development
goals.
Mr.
Simon Burns (West Chelmsford) (Con): Will the Minister
give
way?
Mr.
Malik: I am on my last paragraph and I am sure
that the hon. Gentleman will be happy to wait 15
seconds.
I shall listen
to the debate and answer questions. I hope that at the end of our
discussion hon. Members will approve the orders, which are crucial to
the fight against global poverty and will make a real difference to
millions of people in the worlds poorest countries. I commend
the orders to the Committee.
The
Chairman: Order. The Minister said he would give way, so
before he concludes, it would be fair for him to take the intervention
from the hon. Member for West Chelmsford.
Mr.
Burns: Thank you, Mr. Hancock. The briefing
states that MDRI costs fellthe past tensesignificantly
over the first decade, 2007-16, and that that will be followed by a
further reduction of 314 million drawing rights over 2017 to 2019. What
confidence can one have in the accuracy of that estimate, given that it
is nine years ahead? How were the figures
devised?
Mr.
Malik: I am happy to write to the hon. Gentleman on those
detailed points.
2.38
pm
Mr.
Mark Lancaster (North-East Milton Keynes) (Con): It is a
pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Hancock, and
to take part in the debate today. It is the second of such debates.
Yesterday we debated similar orders in respect of the African
Development Bank. I am sure the Minister will be delighted to hear that
the Conservative party broadly welcomes the two orders, although we are
slightly concerned that an appropriate cost-benefit analysis was not
carried out before the amount of the increase was decided. I intend to
probe the Minister on
that.
The
International Development Committee report, DFID and the World
Bank, the Committees sixth report of the 2007-08
Session, criticises the Department for its lack of proper analysis
before taking the decision to increase our payment to the International
Development Association. In light of that report, will the Minister
please tell the Committee which factors the Department considered, and
point me in the direction of a document that outlines the cost-benefit
analysis that was made before the proposed increase was decided? How
exactly was the current level of contribution arrived
at?
In
the DFID annual report 2008, the analysis of departmental expenditure
suggests that between 2002 and 2005 the Departments total spend
was £11.44 billion. During that period the UK gave
some £900 million to the IDA, or 7.87 per cent. of the
Departments total budget. From 2006 to 2008 that rose to some
£15.53 billion, and the amount pledged to the IDA was
£1.4 billion, or 9.2 per cent. of the total spendanother
increase. The projected total departmental spend for 2008 to 2011 is
£21.16 billion and, as the Minister said, we will pledge
£2.134 billion to the 15th replenishment, which equates to some
10.08 per cent. of that total. We see an ever-increasing rise in total
departmental spend being sent to the IDA. Will the Minister confirm
that the rising percentage of DFIDs departmental spend sent to
the World Bank is a trend that is likely to continue?
DIFDs
own analysis of the World Bank, the World Bank Development
Effectiveness Summary, highlighted the fact that fewer than 50
per cent. of the banks operational staff are based in country
offices, and fewer than 25 per cent. of tasks are managed in country
offices. Does the Minister agree that DFID, as one of the main IDA
contributors through the 15th replenishment order, should exert more
pressure on the World Bank to speed up its decentralisation?
It is widely
acceptedas it was yesterday, in the debate on the orders
relating to the African Development Bankthat the best way to
ensure effective performance on the ground is through that
decentralisation process, yet it also seems to be widely accepted that
the World Bank is still failing to implement decentralisation
efficiently. What pressure is DFID applying to the World Bank to try to
speed up that
process?
In
the Governments response to the International Development
Committees sixth report, they
state:
The
appointment of a full-time UK Executive Director to the World Bank will
also enable greater oversight of the Banks
work.
Considering
that DFID is increasing its overall contribution to the replenishment
by some £700 million, will the Minister update the Committee on
progress in the appointment of a permanent UK executive
director?
The payments
of £2.134 billion to the 15th replenishment of the IDA programme
will be made over three years, between 2009 and 2011. Will the Minister
outline the percentages of that total that will be spent in each of the
next three
years?
The
helpful explanatory memorandums that accompany the orders state that no
impact assessment has been prepared for the instruments, as they
have
no impact on
business, charities or voluntary
bodies.
I
find that interesting. I am sure that many non-governmental
organisations and voluntary bodies out there would view the major
increase in the contribution as an opportunity cost to other streams on
which DFID could spend its money. Will the Minister confirm that he is
satisfied that there is no need for an impact
assessment?
Finally,
will the Minister say which of the recommendations outlined in the
International Development Committees sixth report the
Department has adopted or will
adopt?
2.44
pm
Mr.
Michael Moore (Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk) (LD): I
echo others by saying that it is a delight to serve under your
chairmanship, Mr. Hancock. I confirm that the Liberal
Democrats are also happy to offer their support for the orders and what
lies behind them. However, it would be helpful if the Minister would
clarify some
points.
None
of us can doubt the importance of debt relief and the huge breakthrough
that the 2005 G8 summit represented, when the multilateral debt relief
initiative was given force. We must give credit where it is due to the
UK Government for their contribution in that
context.
I
turn to the replenishment of the IDA contribution and what we have to
provide for debt relief. Will the Minister clarify that the increase in
the amounts under the MDRI amendment order from £592 million to
£736 million is to cover the entry into a new phase?
Does it change the original basis on which we were contributing to debt
relief?
There
is a procedural point that it would be useful for the Committee to
understand better. As I understand the explanatory memorandum, article
2(b) of the MDRI order obviates the need for the Minister or Secretary
of State to come to the House each time he or she wishes to make a
payment to the MDRI. In effect, that creates a facility under which the
Minister can pass the sums as required. That is an entirely
appropriate, pragmatic and flexible arrangement, but how is the House
to be informed when the Secretary of State or Minister makes such
payments? Will the Minister set out the anticipated profile for
payments under the MDRI for this replenishment
period?
It
is not often a good thing for Members to confess to ignorance, but on
this point my ignorance and bafflement are combined. The explanatory
memorandum, for all its technicality, is helpful. As ever, we pay
tribute to those whose job it is to turn the technical jargon into some
form of understandable English. I followed it pretty well up to
paragraph 7.9, which talks about the increase in the
Governments MDRI contributions. As the hon. Member for West
Chelmsford highlighted, the next paragraph talks about the reduction in
costs. There is no segue and no help for understanding where those
points come in. In this period, we will clearly contribute a lot more.
Is it being suggested that we would have been contributing even more
and that the profile of costs for future years has been reduced because
of the reasons set out in paragraph 7.10, unless I have missed another
part of the argument. If the Committee is to understand the situation
fully, it would be helpful if the Minister would spend some time
answering that
point.
The
overall objective of the MDRI is to get a cancellation of something in
the order of $50 billion, freeing up between $1 billion and $1.7
billion for the poor countries affected that they can spend on
worthwhile projects. The Minister gave some examples. Will he give us a
little more context and say how close we are to achieving that
objective? The G8 has been meeting this week and a number of concerns
have been raised by non-governmental organisations about targets that
have not been met and others that are well off course. It would be
useful for the Committee to understand what point the global effort on
achieving debt reduction has reached, and how this legislation and
Britains contribution will play into
that.
Finally,
may I ask the Minister about future loans and the like? I would be
interested to hear his response to the hon. Member for North-East
Milton Keynes about the choice of multilateral agencies. What gives the
Minister confidence that as we go through a new replenishment of the
IDA and other institutions, we will not just go back into another cycle
of unsustainable debt? What measures, apart from targets and so on,
will be in place to give campaigning NGOs, our constituents and Members
the confidence that, in tackling this, we have learned the lessons and
we are not going to see the same balloon of debt recreated in the
future?