The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Borrow,
Mr. David S.
(South Ribble)
(Lab)
Davey,
Mr. Edward
(Kingston and Surbiton)
(LD)
Evennett,
Mr. David
(Bexleyheath and Crayford)
(Con)
Goodman,
Helen
(Bishop Auckland)
(Lab)
Hands,
Mr. Greg
(Hammersmith and Fulham)
(Con)
Merron,
Gillian
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Foreign and
Commonwealth Affairs)
Mullin,
Mr. Chris
(Sunderland, South)
(Lab)
Ryan,
Joan
(Enfield, North)
(Lab)
Simpson,
Mr. Keith
(Mid-Norfolk)
(Con)
Stanley,
Sir John
(Tonbridge and Malling)
(Con)
Swinson,
Jo
(East Dunbartonshire)
(LD)
Turner,
Mr. Neil
(Wigan)
(Lab)
Vis,
Dr. Rudi
(Finchley and Golders Green)
(Lab)
Chris Shaw, Committee
Clerk
attended the
Committee
The following also
attended, pursuant to Standing Order No.
119(6):
Mackinlay,
Andrew
(Thurrock) (Lab)
European
Committee B
Monday 27
October
2008
[Mr.
Greg Pope in the
Chair]
Relations between the EU and the Overseas Countries and Territories
4.30
pm
The
Chairman: Does a member of the European Scrutiny Committee
wish to make a brief explanatory statement?
Mr.
David S. Borrow (South Ribble) (Lab): It was not my
intention to speak to the Committee, as I understood that my hon.
Friend the Member for Chorley (Mr. Hoyle) was due to give
the Select Committees views.
The document
that we are discussing is part of the European Union consultation
process regarding the relationships with overseas territories of the
four EU countries that will be affectedthe UK, France, the
Netherlands and Denmark. The EU has published a consultation paper, and
the European Scrutiny Committee thought that it should be debated by
this Committee before consultation went much
further.
4.31
pm
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth
Affairs (Gillian Merron): It is a pleasure to serve under
your chairmanship, Mr. Pope. I welcome what is for me an
early opportunity to discuss the future relationship between the
European Union and the overseas countries and territories of its member
states. It is particularly timely that we are here today, because I
shall meet Premiers, chief Ministers and other political
representatives from overseas territories at the annual Overseas
Territories Consultative Council in London this week. Hon. Members will
be interested to know that the relationship between the EU and the
overseas countries and territories features on the agenda for that
important
meeting.
Andrew
Mackinlay (Thurrock) (Lab)
rose
The
Chairman: Order. I think that the hon. Member for
Mid-Norfolk was rightthis is going to be one of those
Committees. May I point out to members of the Committee that there are
not usually interventions during the Ministers opening
statement? There will be ample opportunity for hon. Members to ask
questions and to make comments
later.
Gillian
Merron: I am sure that we are all grateful for your
guidance, Mr.
Pope.
The
UKs unique relationship with our territories is based on a
partnership with mutual responsibilities and obligations. That
relationship has modernised to become increasingly consultative since
the publication of the 1999 White Paper, and it is right that we should
welcome discussion with the European Commission on how the relationship
between the EU and the overseas countries
and territories can be improved and modernised. The Green Paper is a
good place to start, and is the reason why we are here. Crucially, it
recognises both the special relationship between the EU and the
overseas countries and territories, and the principle of mutual
interests. The overseas countries and territories benefit from the EU,
but they also have much to offer it. This is merely the start of the
consultation process and a stimulus for debate on the form that the
successor to the overseas association decision should take. A new
decision will not come into effect until 2014.
The world has
changed significantly during our long and historic relationship with
the overseas territories. Most recently, the territories are feeling
the effects of globalisation. For many, the financial services and
tourism industries are the mainstays of local economies, and are being
affected by the current global financial situation. Modernising the
relationship between the territories and the EU is an important part of
our strategy to manage the specific challenges that globalisation
presents for our overseas territories. The EU has also changed,
expanding to include 27 member states since the current overseas
association decision came into effect in January 2001. None of the 12
new EU members have overseas territories, and per capita gross domestic
product in many is lower than that in some of the territories. The
review process will be an opportunity to secure among all member states
a better understanding of the special relationship between them and
their overseas territories.
It may help
the Committee if I set out the basic aims of the current overseas
association decision. They are, first, to promote
economic and social development, and, secondly, to establish close
economic relations between the territories and the Community as a
whole. That is achieved by offering financial assistance from the
European development fund and by provisions, which are
included in the decision, on economic co-operation, a trade
regime, human and social development, regional co-operation and
cultural development.
I shall touch
on a couple of the key issues for the Committees benefit.
First, the Green Paper asks whether the current approach to development
is correct. The UK strongly believes that a new decision should not
lead to a lessening of development support where it is still needed.
Access to development funds, complementing funding provided by the
Department for International Development, is vital for some of the
UKs territories and is likely to remain so for some
considerable time. Our overseas territories should also have better
access to other funding streams to tackle global issues such as the
environment and climate change. Climate change and environmental
degradation are likely to have a particularly profound effect on all
the overseas territories in the coming years.
The second
key issue is the papers focus on trade arrangements between the
EU and the overseas countries and territories. They benefit from a
generous tariff regime, and the UK takes the view that they should
continue to receive preferential treatment in terms of trade links and
trade preferences with the EU under any new association. The UK and our
territories will want to consider later whether greater regional
integration through the signing of economic partnership agreements
would be to their benefit, but currently we do not think that it
would.
Although the
UK welcomes the Green Paper as the first phase in the discussion
between the overseas countries and territories and EU member states and
the Commission, we want to make it clear to the Commission that each
territory is unique. The territories face a number of common
challenges, which stem from being small in size and having a narrow
economic base and limited trading opportunities. Many are also
constrained by a lack of resources. However, each territorys
economic infrastructure varies considerably, and we have stressed that
although any new decision will cover all overseas countries and
territories, a one-size-fits-all policy is not possible. The challenges
for the Falkland Islands are a world apart from the challenges facing
somewhere such as Montserrat.
We shall also
be clear that any future relationship must respect the constitutional
relationship between each overseas country and territory and their
member state. I hope that hon. Members have had the opportunity to look
at the Governments response to the Green Paper, which was
prepared in close consultation with other Departments. We have
encouraged the territories to put forward their responsesit is
their opportunity to help to influence the shape of the future
relationshipand we will continue to ensure that our overseas
territories are kept informed of developments in Europe which might
affect them.
I conclude by
assuring the Committee that the Government will work with the
territories, the Commission and other member states to achieve a fair
and successful outcome for our territories throughout the
consultations various stages, and that we will listen to and
consider any suggestions from the territories and from hon. Members.
The Government are committed to seeing progress and prosperity in the
overseas territories and to having a strong and well functioning
European Union. We will work to ensure that any future relationship
between the two works in the best interests of all. I welcome the
debates as a contribution to the progress that we seek to
make.
The
Chairman: We now have until half-past 5 for questions to
the Minister. I remind hon. Members that questions should be brief and
asked one at a time. I intend to allow people to ask more than one
questionperhaps two or threeand I shall try to ensure
that everybody gets to ask all the questions that they wish
to.
Mr.
Keith Simpson (Mid-Norfolk) (Con): It is a pleasure to
serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Pope. This is my first
debate in a Committee with the
Minister.
We
welcome the opportunity to debate the Green Paper, and commend the
Select Committee on its work. Obviously, I have a number of questions,
and I shall start by asking three. Is the Minister satisfied that she
has seen sufficiently strong evidence to back the assertion that the
current overseas association decision is in need of substantial
revision? The Green Paper states unambiguously on page 2 that the
current partnership is in need of a thorough
renovation. However, the explanatory memorandum submitted by
the then Minister for Europe on 17 July said that
the UK would
expect some analysis and detail from the European Commission on the
advantages and disadvantages of the current system.
Does that mean that the
Government consider the analysis in the Green Paper to be
insufficiently detailed? What additional analysis has Britain
requested, has that now been undertaken, and have the Government
conducted their own analysis? In a similar vein, the Green Paper
concludes that
there is a very
large room for manoeuvre to modernise relations between the EU and the
OCTs,
without
making it clear what modernisation would
entail.
Finally,
the same explanatory memorandum from the Ministers predecessor
states on page
67:
The
Commission expect to present the outcome of
the
consultation
process at a forum
in the Cayman
Islands
at
the end of November. However, there is no indication of what process
will go forward, when key decisions will be made, or when the process
of negotiating the new overseas association decision will be made. Will
the Minister shed light on that, and if the answers to those questions
are not yet known, will she assure us that she will pursue the matter
with the
Commission?
Gillian
Merron: I thank the hon. Gentleman for his questions. The
Government believe that there is a need to modernise the relationship.
As I said, there has been much change since the original decision was
made. Our wish is that the situation is, at the minimum, no worse. That
is the bottom line for our overseas territories, but perhaps I may go
further. I am keen that we do better for them. For example, I want
increased access to funding in respect of climate change, and I want
greater flexibility in access to EU funding. I assure the hon.
Gentleman that I am convinced that there is room for improvement, which
is why we are keen to take
part.
It
may help the Committee if I summarise the Governments response
to the Green Paper because that may deal with some of the important
points raised. The UK shares the overall motivation of the Green Paper
to establish a stronger relationship with the overseas countries and
territories, and we must adapt both our thinking and our practice,
because there are new and unavoidable realities in this century. We
must seek nothing worse; we must seek improvement. We must also respect
the constitutional arrangements between the UK and its overseas
territories.
The hon.
Gentleman was right in saying that we want the EU to analyse the
advantages and disadvantages of the current arrangements, taking
account of overseas territories limited capacity and
vulnerability. That is particularly important for development, support
and
trade.
The
public consultation ended on 17 October, and we expect the Commission
to make a statement on the process at the annual forum in the Cayman
Islands at the end of next month. I shall be pleased to keep the
Committee informed of the
process.
Jo
Swinson (East Dunbartonshire) (LD): I am delighted to
serve under your chairmanship, Mr.
Pope.
I
want to pick up on a couple of points that the Minister made about
financial assistance, and to obtain some clarification. Changes were
made to the way in which financial assistance went to overseas
territories in
2001 by giving assistance direct to the territories rather than
channelling it through member states. Will the Minister confirm that
the Government are still in favour of that arrangement, and that they
are not suggesting that it is reversed? I know that the Government
response states that
the Commission
may want to revisit the criteria for funding,
but are they concerned
that, through their different constitutional basis, the French overseas
territories might have an advantage over the UK overseas territories,
which means they can access EU funding directly? If so, what proposals
does she have for changing the way in which funding is allocated, and
how might we encourage the European Commission to take those proposals
on
board?