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The Government say that co-payments must be banned because otherwise we would be treating patients unfairly and creating a two-tier system, in which all patients would not be treated equally. That argument misses the point. Simply because a patient opts for some non-NHS treatments does not mean that the NHS cannot treat all patients equally in respect of the state-funded care that they receive. Each patient can still receive the same level
of NHS care. Patients seeking co-payments are not asking for special favours, preferential treatment or a hand up from the NHS; they are simply asking for their standard package of care to be continued alongside the top-up. Patients whose NHS care has been withdrawn feel, understandably, that they are the ones being discriminated against because of their ability to pay. That cannot be right.
There is a world of difference between treating all patients equally and penalising some patients because they have the means to top up their treatment. It makes a mockery of the Governments second argument for banning co-payments, which is that a ban is somehow needed to keep the NHS free at the point of need. However, in the case of Colette Mills or Linda OBoyle, the NHS is the very opposite of free at the point of need. Not all drugs are available on the NHS, because NICE turns down some treatments. Also, free NHS care is withdrawn when patients try to top up. That is not care free at the point of need.
The Government have a novel way of trying to get around the problem: they hide behind semantics. The Government argue that NHS guidance states clearly that someone cannot simultaneously be an NHS and a privately funded patient of the same NHS hospital within the same episode of care and that all NHS treatment for the same condition, such as bowel cancer, counts towards the same episode of care. Ostensibly, it is because the Government do not want to mix private and public funding, but that argument is clearly absurd. For one thing, some drugs are available free on the NHS and others are not. How can two treatments be part of the same episode of care if one is free and the other is not?
If the health service itself has chosen to differentiate between treatments through the NICE process, it is hypocritical to condemn patients for seeking to do likewise. Michael Summers of the Patients Association made that point in a similar way. He suggested that the public does not see the same episode of care as being a crucial distinction. At the end of the day, the public will just say that care is care. The Government are hiding behind the semantics of how one defines an episode of care, because they lack the courage, or perhaps even the initiative, to deal with unjust policy. All that is required is an open mind, and then guidance can be changed.
Another reason why the Governments position is perverse is that co-payments are already happening throughout the NHS and other public services. If I go to an optician as an NHS patient, and receive a free pair of glasses, nothing is to prevent me from using my own money to buy contact lensesNHS care is not withdrawn. Likewise, if I go to a dentist and have an NHS filling, and then pay privately to have teeth cleaning or whitening, NHS care is not withdrawn. Meanwhile, we have private beds in NHS hospitals, using NHS equipment and staff. Again, patients do not have other aspects of care withdrawn. We could look outside the NHS: state education is not withdrawn simply because a child has access to private tuition. The state education system is there for everyone, regardless of whether private tuition takes placestate education is not withdrawn.
What is so different about cancer drugs and treatment? If co-payments are good enough for teeth whitening and contact lenses, why are they not good enough when it comes to prolonging, extending and perhaps even
saving life? Many people are asking those questions outside this Chamber, but no one seems to have an answercertainly not the Government. Britains cancer survival rates still lag behind the European average, partly because we do not have the same access to the best new drugs. In that respect, we are the poor patients of Europe, which is shameful given that Britain is home to some of the leading drug companies in the world, and to some of the leading cancer research institutes in Europe. The NHS needs all the help that it can get. If anything, we should be empowering, not penalising, patients who opt for co-payments.
This issue will not go away. Many exciting new drugs are coming through the pipeline, and it is forecast that they will be available over the coming decade. Patients and their clinicians will, understandably, want to use them, but NICE will not be in a position to give the thumbs up to all of them. The NHS has a hard choice to make: does it stick with the current policy, born of ideological dogma? Does it hold back patients from accessing the best care for themselves and their families? Does it walk away from dying men and women whose only offence is to use their own money to extend their lives? Or do we, as a nation, do what we can to empower as many people as possible to access the best of the new treatments, without holding back, or penalising, those who cannot afford top-ups? The only civilised answer, for any nation facing this dilemma, is to save, or prolong, life wherever possible. Anything else is a far greater betrayal of the founding principles of the NHS and medicine. This inhumane and illogical policy will one day change. The question is: how long will it take the Government to recognise that, and how many patients will pay the price between now and then?
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health (Mr. Ivan Lewis): I congratulate the hon. Member for Billericay (Mr. Baron) on securing this debate, and join him in publicly offering my condolences to Mr. OBoyle, and his sons, on the loss of his wife. Unless one has been in such a situation, one can never fully understand what it must be like to experience such pain and misery. However, it is easy to talk about Government being inhumane, but I think that it is a cheap shotnobody in this situation is inhumane. Politicians on both sides of the House have experienced the same situation, and we should try and avoid making party political jibes. It is an incredibly serious and substantive issue that merits a serious and substantive political and public debate in order to reach the right conclusions.
It is difficult to explain, but it would not be appropriate to talk about an individual case, so I must keep my remarks general at this stage. However, we must be clear that no one should ever be denied the offer of NHS care. That is a fundamental principle, on which our guidance is clear. Patients are entitled to switch from
privately funded to NHS-funded status, and should then receive treatment on the same basis as any other NHS patient, and be offered treatment based on clinical need. Any previous status as a privately funded patient should, as far as is practical, neither disadvantage them nor allow them to access NHS care in a preferential way.
More treatments than ever are now available on the NHS, and cancer treatment and survival rates in this country have improved dramatically. However, any publicly funded health care system will always have to make difficult decisions about what treatments are available, and some treatments are not generally available on the NHS. We set up NICE, which is now regarded as a world leader, to assess the clinical and cost effectiveness of drugs and treatments based on the latest evidence. Primary care trusts have a statutory duty to fund the use of drugs that are recommended by NICE technology appraisals, ensuring that proven treatments are available to everybody.
The inevitable consequence of the NICE process, however, is that some PCTS will decide not to fund some treatments. For example, a treatment might not have received a safety licence from the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, or NICE might find that it does not give patients enough clinical benefit to justify the expense. Those decisions are never taken lightly, and NICE will always find itself in difficulty when making decisions seen to deny people drugs that they genuinely believe will make a difference to the length or quality of their lives. There is never a controversy when NICE approves drugs, but it will inevitably follow some of the incredibly difficult decisions that it must make.
There has been tremendous political consensus about the virtues of having a NICE-type system to make some of those very difficult decisions: it is removed from party politics and creates an entirely independent process governed by legislation established in this House. It is important to be clear that it would be inappropriate for Ministers to intervene in and undermine every difficult decision that NICE makes.
Mr. Baron: I accept what the Minister says to a certain extent, but in this context NICE is a bit of a red herring. The point here is about co-payments and access to drugs not available on NICEnot about how it makes its decision. Patients should not be penalised by an NHS that then withdraws care simply because they have access to those drugs.
Mr. Lewis: I accept the hon. Gentlemans point, but for many patients and families, the difficult decisions that NICE makes are sometimes a great source of angst. They can find those decisions hard to understand because they believe that having access to a certain drug would make a massive difference to their chances of living or dying. It is important to contextualise the debate in that sense.
Moving to the specific issues that the hon. Gentleman has raised, we are not in the business of denying people access to private treatment if that is what they want. A patient may receive both NHS and private treatment for the same condition, in parallel, as long asthis is the key phrasethe two treatments are in separate episodes of care. Our most recent guidance specifies that a
patient cannot be both a private and an NHS patient for the treatment of one condition during a single visit to an NHS organisation, but an in-patient can choose to change their status before the treatment begins provided that they are then assessed to determine their priority for NHS care. I reiterate that that has been the position in this country for at least two decades and is not a consequence of any particular NHS reform by the Labour Government. The position is more difficult when a patient seeks to pay for part of an episode of care while expecting the NHS to pay for the rest. That has never been allowed in the 60 years of the NHS.
must be free of charge except in so far as the making and recovery of charges is expressly provided for by or under any enactment, whenever passed.
That prevents NHS bodies from accepting payments for NHS services unless that is provided for in legislation. It also prevents an NHS body from providing an incomplete package of care that patients then top up. For example, if a patients treatment is the administration of a particular drug, their treatment includes both the purchase and administration of that drug. If an NHS organisation allows a patient to pay for a drug but administers it on the NHS, it is effectively charging for an NHS service.
Mr. Frank Field: May I make a plea to the Minister, who is held in high esteem in this House? I hope that when he goes back he will tell his Department that he does not want to be sent out with a brief like this again. We are arguing not about what the law iswe know what the law isbut for the law to be changed. Will he deal with that?
Mr. Lewis: I will: I was about to say that section 1 is consistent with the way in which the NHS has considered this issue. My right hon. Friend is not being disingenuous, but it is slightly disingenuous to accuse successive generations of clinicians, politicians and other people who believe passionately in the NHS of not having considered this issue in fundamental depth. Of course, there needs to be a debate on this issue, but it is not a new issue that has emerged in the past few days, weeks or months. It has been a constant debate throughout the 60 years of the NHS.
Ministers have to place on record the legal realities. The hon. Gentleman and others are arguing for a significant change in legislation, which would, arguably, be a significant change in the fundamental ethos that underpins the NHS. That might be a source of difference between us, but to change the legislation and policy in the way that he advocates would be a major shift in policy and legislation. We must also be aware, as I know that my right hon. Friend is, of unintended consequences, which I shall address in a moment.
The Minister talks about a major shift being required, but the only major shift that is required is having an open mind to changing the guidance. Top-ups, or co-payments, already exist in many areas of the NHSI have cited some examples. Will the Minister address a specific point? The Departments ban on
co-payments takes the form of guidance rather than instruction, which means that NHS trusts across the country are using their discretion when such cases arise. If the Minister truly believes his argument against co-payments, why does he not close that loophole? He says that this matter has been discussed for quite some time.
Mr. Lewis: We would have to be persuaded that that would be right, would be in the interests of patients and would take account of the almost daily advances in medical science for health care in this country and globally. To look at this issue in the context of the situation facing the OBoyle family, it would be difficult not to feel tremendous empathy with the case being made, but we must consider, if we are to change policy or legislation, that there might be a series of unintended consequences that might not be apparent to the hon. Gentleman.
Mr. Baron: We are not being party political, so we can be generous in giving way. Perhaps I did not express myself clearly, but the Minister did not address my central point. The Departments policy on co-paymentsthe ban on themis in the form of guidance, not instruction. That allows PCTs up and down the country to use their discretion when implementing co-payments or not doing so. If the Minister is absolutely convinced by the case against co-payments, why does not he simply ban them and close that loophole? The Government are allowing the loophole to exist.
Mr. Lewis: We will have to consider that point as a consequence of this debate. No one is suggesting that we can ignore the sensitive and difficult considerations that the issue of top-ups raises, such as whether NHS guidance is being applied consistently across the country. We have a constant debate in the NHS about the balance between having a universal, national service and having local flexibility, discretion and autonomy. To some extent, the aspiration of all Governments is to minimise postcode lotteries where possible. We know that decisions taken at the local level can, from time to time, be very different depending on the judgments of managers and clinicians, and this matter is no different to that. However, we are willing to consider the implications of the debate in the context of an ever-moving landscape of treatments and drugs that are becoming available.
At Southend hospital, our annual budget for drugs has gone from £1 million to £6million over the past decade. We have the money to spend on drugs. Its not about cost. Its about what is best, not just for a patients life but for their quality of life...If it was in their interests, they would get
Even if it is not available on the NHS, we would try to find a way to get it for them, by referring them somewhere they could get it, perhaps as part of a drug trial. But if it wouldnt help them, we would explain the drug is very toxic and would mean them spending their last bit of time in hospital feeling very ill...Also,
with cancer treatments, it can be extremely dangerous to mix certain drugs, so there are genuine safety concerns behind these co-payment regulations...these days, people hear of drugs through the media which are hyped as miracle cures when really that not the case.
Dr. Trask is an eminent clinician, and he has highlighted my point about the potential unintended consequences of simply changing law and policy in a way that some would describe as common sense and fair, but that others would define as opening a can of worms. Such a change might lead to a situation that would not be in the interests of patients and the NHS.
Ben Chapman (Wirral, South) (Lab): I am pleased to have secured the debate and privileged to take part in it under your chairmanship, Mr. Pope. I must declare an interest at the outset: my wife is a locum pharmacist. Obviously, the words that I shall deliver will be mine, but I am bound to be influenced by our conversations at home. It is because of them that I have taken a long-term interest in medicines management in the NHS.
Unused medicines are costly. It is estimated that they cost the taxpayer as much as £800 million a year in the UK, as the Department of Health estimates that as much as 10 per cent. of all drugs prescribed are wasted. The value of medicines returned to pharmacies and general practice surgeries is thought to be some £100 million annually. Wasted medication is costing the NHS in the north-west, for exampleyou will understand this yourself, Mr. Popesome £40 million annually, and £2.5 million in Wirral alone. That could pay, for example, for 500 more hip replacements, 350 more heart bypass operations or 3,500 more cataract operations. I am not saying that they are directly related, but that is a lot of money that could be used for beneficial health treatment.
In addition to those vast sums, the National Audit Office has estimated that primary care trusts could save more than £200 million, without affecting clinical outcomes, through more efficient prescribing. There is thus a business of waste that costs something of the order of £1 billion. There are two issues at hand: the prevention of medicines wastage and the encouragement of more efficient prescribing. I have limited time at my disposal, but I shall suggest some ways in which we might conserve time, money and staff resources. I wish first to explore how we can prevent the wasting of medicines, starting with the patients role.
Patient concordance, as it is knownthe extent to which patients comply in taking the medicines prescribed to themis a key issue, and more research needs to be conducted. Those who prescribe and administer medicines need to ask more questions about the deficit in patient concordance. The recently published White Paper, Pharmacy in England: building on strengthsdelivering the future acknowledges that.
An analysis of unused medicines returned to one PCT alone showed that half the packs were returned unopened. There are a few key reasons for that. Often, patients prefer their GP not to know that they are not taking their medicine, so they go on ordering it. There are those who think that they simply know best. They believe, broadly speaking, that drugs are harmful to them and they therefore do not take the medicine prescribed. Patients can also be fussy, often wanting a more expensive brand rather than a generic version of a drug. They do not like foreign or parallel imported medicine, or the less well known brands. Newly qualified doctors and dentists, perhaps out of caution, prefer to prescribe brand rather than generic medication. The costs associated with over-prescribing are therefore exacerbated by expensive prescribing.
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