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It being more than one and half hours after the commencement of proceedings, Mr. Speaker put the remaining Question s necessary to dispose of proceedings on the motions relating to Members’ salaries , pursuant to Order [1 July].
The House divided: Ayes 141, Noes 216.
AYES
Ainger, Nick
Alexander, Danny
Allen, Mr. Graham
Amess, Mr. David
Anderson, Janet
Arbuthnot, rh Mr. James
Atkinson, Mr. Peter
Bacon, Mr. Richard
Baker, Norman
Barron, rh Mr. Kevin
Bayley, Hugh
Beith, rh Sir Alan
Bercow, John
Betts, Mr. Clive
Binley, Mr. Brian
Boswell, Mr. Tim
Bottomley, Peter
Brady, Mr. Graham
Brake, Tom
Browning, Angela
Bruce, rh Malcolm
Burgon, Colin
Burstow, Mr. Paul
Butler, Ms Dawn
Butterfill, Sir John
Campbell, Mr. Ronnie
Carmichael, Mr. Alistair
Chapman, Ben
Chope, Mr. Christopher
Clarke, rh Mr. Tom
Clelland, Mr. David
Clwyd, rh Ann
Connarty, Michael
Cormack, Sir Patrick
Cryer, Mrs. Ann
Curry, rh Mr. David
Davey, Mr. Edward
Davidson, Mr. Ian
Davies, Mr. Quentin
Dobson, rh Frank
Donohoe, Mr. Brian H.
Dowd, Jim
Etherington, Bill
Evans, Mr. Nigel
Farrelly, Paul
Field, Mr. Mark
Foster, Mr. Don
Gapes, Mike
Gauke, Mr. David
George, Andrew
Goldsworthy, Julia
Greenway, Mr. John
Griffiths, Nigel
Hall, Mr. Mike
Hamilton, Mr. David
Hancock, Mr. Mike
Harvey, Nick
Havard, Mr. Dai
Hayes, Mr. John
Hoey, Kate
Hogg, rh Mr. Douglas
Hollobone, Mr. Philip
Hood, Mr. Jim
Hosie, Stewart
Howarth, rh Mr. George
Howarth, Mr. Gerald
Hughes, Simon
Humble, Mrs. Joan
Iddon, Dr. Brian
Illsley, Mr. Eric
Jackson, Mr. Stewart
Jenkin, Mr. Bernard
Jenkins, Mr. Brian
Jones, Helen
Jones, Mr. Kevan
Jones, Mr. Martyn
Key, Robert
Kilfoyle, Mr. Peter
Kirkbride, Miss Julie
Laing, Mrs. Eleanor
Laxton, Mr. Bob
Levitt, Tom
Liddell-Grainger, Mr. Ian
Loughton, Tim
Luff, Peter
Mackay, rh Mr. Andrew
Maclean, rh David
MacShane, rh Mr. Denis
Mahmood, Mr. Khalid
Maples, Mr. John
Marsden, Mr. Gordon
McCafferty, Chris
McFall, rh John
McGovern, Mr. Jim
McIntosh, Miss Anne
McKenna, Rosemary
Meale, Mr. Alan
Michael, rh Alun
Miller, Andrew
Moffat, Anne
Moss, Mr. Malcolm
Mudie, Mr. George
Murphy, Mr. Denis
Murrison, Dr. Andrew
O'Hara, Mr. Edward
Öpik, Lembit
Osborne, Sandra
Ottaway, Richard
Prentice, Mr. Gordon
Prosser, Gwyn
Purchase, Mr. Ken
Robertson, John
Russell, Bob
Sheridan, Jim
Smith, Sir Robert
Spellar, rh Mr. John
Spicer, Sir Michael
Spink, Bob
Steen, Mr. Anthony
Strang, rh Dr. Gavin
Stuart, Ms Gisela
Syms, Mr. Robert
Tapsell, Sir Peter
Taylor, Mr. Ian
Taylor, Matthew
Touhig, rh Mr. Don
Turner, Dr. Desmond
Vaz, rh Keith
Viggers, Sir Peter
Vis, Dr. Rudi
Wareing, Mr. Robert N.
Weir, Mr. Mike
Whittingdale, Mr. John
Widdecombe, rh Miss Ann
Williams, Stephen
Willis, Mr. Phil
Willott, Jenny
Wilshire, Mr. David
Winterton, Ann
Winterton, Sir Nicholas
Wright, Mr. Anthony
Tellers for the Ayes:
Richard Younger-Ross and
Mr. Paul Keetch
NOES
Anderson, Mr. David
Austin, Mr. Ian
Bailey, Mr. Adrian
Baird, Vera
Balls, rh Ed
Banks, Gordon
Begg, Miss Anne
Bell, Sir Stuart
Berry, Roger
Blackman, Liz
Blackman-Woods, Dr. Roberta
Blizzard, Mr. Bob
Bradshaw, Mr. Ben
Brazier, Mr. Julian
Brennan, Kevin
Brown, rh Mr. Gordon
Brown, rh Mr. Nicholas
Brown, Mr. Russell
Browne, rh Des
Bryant, Chris
Buck, Ms Karen
Burden, Richard
Burnham, rh Andy
Burt, Alistair
Byers, rh Mr. Stephen
Byrne, Mr. Liam
Cable, Dr. Vincent
Cameron, rh Mr. David
Cawsey, Mr. Ian
Clark, Ms Katy
Clark, Paul
Clegg, rh Mr. Nick
Coaker, Mr. Vernon
Coffey, Ann
Cohen, Harry
Cooper, Rosie
Cooper, rh Yvette
Creagh, Mary
Cummings, John
Darling, rh Mr. Alistair
David, Mr. Wayne
Davies, Mr. Dai
Dean, Mrs. Janet
Denham, rh Mr. John
Dhanda, Mr. Parmjit
Doran, Mr. Frank
Dunne, Mr. Philip
Eagle, Angela
Eagle, Maria
Efford, Clive
Ennis, Jeff
Fallon, Mr. Michael
Field, rh Mr. Frank
Fitzpatrick, Jim
Flint, rh Caroline
Follett, Barbara
Foster, Mr. Michael (Worcester)
Foster, Michael Jabez (Hastings and Rye)
Fox, Dr. Liam
Francois, Mr. Mark
Gerrard, Mr. Neil
Gibson, Dr. Ian
Gillan, Mrs. Cheryl
Gilroy, Linda
Goggins, Paul
Goodman, Helen
Goodwill, Mr. Robert
Gove, Michael
Grayling, Chris
Greening, Justine
Grieve, Mr. Dominic
Griffith, Nia
Grogan, Mr. John
Gwynne, Andrew
Hague, rh Mr. William
Hall, Patrick
Hammond, Mr. Philip
Hammond, Stephen
Hands, Mr. Greg
Harman, rh Ms Harriet
Harris, Dr. Evan
Healey, John
Herbert, Nick
Hesford, Stephen
Hewitt, rh Ms Patricia
Hillier, Meg
Hodge, rh Margaret
Hodgson, Mrs. Sharon
Holmes, Paul
Hoon, rh Mr. Geoffrey
Hope, Phil
Horwood, Martin
Howard, rh Mr. Michael
Howarth, David
Howells, Dr. Kim
Hughes, rh Beverley
Huhne, Chris
Hunter, Mark
Hutton, rh Mr. John
Ingram, rh Mr. Adam
Irranca-Davies, Huw
Johnson, rh Alan
Johnson, Ms Diana R.
Jowell, rh Tessa
Joyce, Mr. Eric
Keeble, Ms Sally
Keeley, Barbara
Kelly, rh Ruth
Khan, Mr. Sadiq
Kidney, Mr. David
Knight, Jim
Kramer, Susan
Lamb, Norman
Lammy, Mr. David
Lancaster, Mr. Mark
Lansley, Mr. Andrew
Lazarowicz, Mark
Lepper, David
Letwin, rh Mr. Oliver
Lewis, Mr. Ivan
Lidington, Mr. David
Linton, Martin
Lloyd, Tony
Love, Mr. Andrew
Lucas, Ian
Mactaggart, Fiona
Malik, Mr. Shahid
Mallaber, Judy
Mann, John
Martlew, Mr. Eric
Maude, rh Mr. Francis
May, rh Mrs. Theresa
McAvoy, rh Mr. Thomas
McCabe, Steve
McCarthy, Kerry
McCarthy-Fry, Sarah
McDonagh, Siobhain
McFadden, Mr. Pat
McGuire, Mrs. Anne
McLoughlin, rh Mr. Patrick
McNulty, rh Mr. Tony
Merron, Gillian
Miliband, rh David
Miliband, rh Edward
Mitchell, Mr. Andrew
Moffatt, Laura
Mole, Chris
Moon, Mrs. Madeleine
Morden, Jessica
Morgan, Julie
Mullin, Mr. Chris
Murphy, Mr. Jim
Murphy, rh Mr. Paul
Naysmith, Dr. Doug
Norris, Dan
O'Brien, Mr. Mike
Osborne, Mr. George
Palmer, Dr. Nick
Pearson, Ian
Plaskitt, Mr. James
Pope, Mr. Greg
Prentice, Bridget
Purnell, rh James
Rammell, Bill
Randall, Mr. John
Raynsford, rh Mr. Nick
Reed, Mr. Jamie
Reid, Mr. Alan
Rifkind, rh Sir Malcolm
Robinson, Mr. Geoffrey
Rooney, Mr. Terry
Ruddock, Joan
Seabeck, Alison
Selous, Andrew
Shaw, Jonathan
Skinner, Mr. Dennis
Slaughter, Mr. Andy
Smith, Ms Angela C. (Sheffield, Hillsborough)
Smith, Angela E. (Basildon)
Smith, rh Jacqui
Snelgrove, Anne
Soulsby, Sir Peter
Spink, Bob
Starkey, Dr. Phyllis
Straw, rh Mr. Jack
Stunell, Andrew
Sutcliffe, Mr. Gerry
Swayne, Mr. Desmond
Tami, Mark
Taylor, David
Thomas, Mr. Gareth
Timms, rh Mr. Stephen
Trickett, Jon
Twigg, Derek
Ussher, Kitty
Vara, Mr. Shailesh
Walley, Joan
Waltho, Lynda
Ward, Claire
Watson, Mr. Tom
Watts, Mr. Dave
Webb, Steve
Whitehead, Dr. Alan
Wicks, Malcolm
Willetts, Mr. David
Williams, Mr. Roger
Wills, Mr. Michael
Wilson, Phil
Winnick, Mr. David
Winterton, rh Ms Rosie
Woodward, rh Mr. Shaun
Woolas, Mr. Phil
Wright, David
Wright, Mr. Iain
Wyatt, Derek
Young, rh Sir George
Tellers for the Noes:
Mr. Alan Campbell and
Tony Cunningham
Question accordingly negatived.
Members’ Salaries (Expression of Opinion) (No. 2)
That this House notes Sir John Baker's Review of Parliamentary Pay and Allowances (Cm 7416), and is of the opinion that the policy set out in the Written Ministerial Statement by the Leader of the House of 17th June Official Report col. 46WS should be implemented, such that—
(1) the salary of a Member of this House should be increased from 1st April 2008, and from 1st April of each subsequent year, by an uprating formula which increases the salary by a percentage equal to the median of relevant increases for the following public sector groups: senior military, holders of judicial office, very senior NHS managers, doctors and dentists, the Prison Service, NHS staff, school teachers, the Armed Forces, police officers, Local Government; non-Senior Civil Service staff in each of the Department for Work and Pensions, Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs, the Ministry of Defence and the Home Office; and the Senior Civil Service;
(2) the SSRB should conduct a review of Members’ salaries in the first year of each new Parliament unless such a review has taken place within the preceding two years;
(3) at such a review the SSRB should consider either or both of:
(a) an adjustment to the salary, consistent with public sector pay policy, to reflect an assessment of the appropriate salary at that time relative to jobs of similar weight elsewhere in the public sector;
(b) as regards the public sector groups listed above, such amendments to the list as appear to it to be necessary to reflect changes in the pay setting arrangements for those groups; to take effect from the first 1st April following the first meeting of the new Parliament; 2754 Order of Business: 3rd July 2008 No. 122
(4) each year the SSRB chair should notify the Speaker of the change in salary (expressed as a percentage) and, on such notification to the Speaker, that change shall have effect, subject to any further notification given following a review under paragraph (2);
(5) the Speaker should lay before the House:
(a) any notification received from the SSRB chair under paragraph (4); and
(b) any report from the SSRB following a review under paragraph (2) above;
(6) an additional salary payable to a Member under Resolutions of this House in respect of service as a chairman of select or general committees shall be changed by the same percentage and from the same time as the salary of a Member. —[Ms Harman.]
Mr. Speaker: If no Tellers are put in, that is a indication that the vote is by acclaim. I shall call in Tellers, which will not take me a minute.
Peter Bottomley: On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. The Government had better put in Tellers, or else they will lose the vote.
Mr. Speaker: Thanks for that advice. That is very good of you.
The House proceeded to a Division; but no Member being willing to act as Teller, Mr. Speaker declared that the Ayes had it.
Mr. Speaker: We come to Members’ Salaries (Expression of Opinion) (No. 3)— [ Interruption. ] Let us get this clear.
Ms Harman: Mr. Speaker, the third expression of opinion motion would put into effect Sir John Baker’s three-year £650 catch-ups. I have placed it on the Order Paper for the convenience of the House, and am prepared to move it formally, but if I do so, we will then be voting no—[Hon. Members: “You will.”] I will be voting no.
Mr. Speaker: I shall put the Question on this motion. How hon. Members vote is nothing to do with me.
Members’ Salaries (Expression of Opinion) (No. 3)
Motion made, and Question put,
That this House notes Sir John Baker’s Review of Parliamentary Pay and Allowances (Cm 7416), and is of the opinion that the recommendation in paragraph 51 of the Review for increases over three years additional to those resulting from other uprating provisions should be implemented, such that the annual salary of a Member 5 of this House should be increased on each of 1st April 2008, 1st April 2009 and 1st April 2010 by a sum of £650 in addition to (and after) any other change taking effect from that date by virtue of any other resolution of this House. —[Ms Harman.]
The House divided: Ayes 123, Noes 224.
AYES
Ainger, Nick
Allen, Mr. Graham
Amess, Mr. David
Anderson, Janet
Arbuthnot, rh Mr. James
Atkinson, Mr. Peter
Bacon, Mr. Richard
Barron, rh Mr. Kevin
Bayley, Hugh
Beith, rh Sir Alan
Bercow, John
Betts, Mr. Clive
Binley, Mr. Brian
Bone, Mr. Peter
Boswell, Mr. Tim
Brady, Mr. Graham
Browning, Angela
Bruce, rh Malcolm
Burgon, Colin
Butterfill, Sir John
Byers, rh Mr. Stephen
Campbell, Mr. Ronnie
Carmichael, Mr. Alistair
Chapman, Ben
Clarke, rh Mr. Tom
Clelland, Mr. David
Clwyd, rh Ann
Connarty, Michael
Cormack, Sir Patrick
Cryer, Mrs. Ann
Cummings, John
Curry, rh Mr. David
Davidson, Mr. Ian
Davies, Mr. Quentin
Donohoe, Mr. Brian H.
Dowd, Jim
Etherington, Bill
Evans, Mr. Nigel
Field, Mr. Mark
Foster, Mr. Don
Gapes, Mike
Gauke, Mr. David
Greenway, Mr. John
Hall, Mr. Mike
Hamilton, Mr. David
Hammond, Stephen
Harvey, Nick
Havard, Mr. Dai
Hogg, rh Mr. Douglas
Hood, Mr. Jim
Howarth, rh Mr. George
Howarth, Mr. Gerald
Hughes, Simon
Humble, Mrs. Joan
Iddon, Dr. Brian
Illsley, Mr. Eric
Jackson, Mr. Stewart
Jenkin, Mr. Bernard
Jenkins, Mr. Brian
Jones, Helen
Jones, Mr. Kevan
Jones, Mr. Martyn
Keetch, Mr. Paul
Key, Robert
Kilfoyle, Mr. Peter
Kirkbride, Miss Julie
Laing, Mrs. Eleanor
Laxton, Mr. Bob
Levitt, Tom
Loughton, Tim
Luff, Peter
Mackay, rh Mr. Andrew
Maclean, rh David
MacShane, rh Mr. Denis
Mahmood, Mr. Khalid
Maples, Mr. John
McCafferty, Chris
McGovern, Mr. Jim
McIntosh, Miss Anne
McKenna, Rosemary
Meale, Mr. Alan
Michael, rh Alun
Miller, Andrew
Moffat, Anne
Mudie, Mr. George
Murphy, Mr. Denis
Murrison, Dr. Andrew
O'Hara, Mr. Edward
Öpik, Lembit
Osborne, Sandra
Ottaway, Richard
Prentice, Mr. Gordon
Prosser, Gwyn
Purchase, Mr. Ken
Robertson, John
Rooney, Mr. Terry
Russell, Bob
Sheridan, Jim
Spellar, rh Mr. John
Spicer, Sir Michael
Spink, Bob
Steen, Mr. Anthony
Strang, rh Dr. Gavin
Stuart, Ms Gisela
Syms, Mr. Robert
Tapsell, Sir Peter
Taylor, Mr. Ian
Taylor, Matthew
Touhig, rh Mr. Don
Turner, Dr. Desmond
Vaz, rh Keith
Viggers, Sir Peter
Vis, Dr. Rudi
Wareing, Mr. Robert N.
Whittingdale, Mr. John
Widdecombe, rh Miss Ann
Williams, Stephen
Willis, Mr. Phil
Wilshire, Mr. David
Winterton, Ann
Winterton, Sir Nicholas
Wright, Mr. Anthony
Younger-Ross, Richard
Tellers for the Ayes:
Peter Bottomley and
Mr. Christopher Chope
NOES
Alexander, Danny
Anderson, Mr. David
Austin, Mr. Ian
Bailey, Mr. Adrian
Baird, Vera
Baker, Norman
Balls, rh Ed
Banks, Gordon
Begg, Miss Anne
Bell, Sir Stuart
Berry, Roger
Blackman, Liz
Blackman-Woods, Dr. Roberta
Blizzard, Mr. Bob
Bradshaw, Mr. Ben
Brake, Tom
Brazier, Mr. Julian
Brennan, Kevin
Brooke, Annette
Brown, rh Mr. Gordon
Brown, rh Mr. Nicholas
Brown, Mr. Russell
Browne, rh Des
Bryant, Chris
Buck, Ms Karen
Burden, Richard
Burnham, rh Andy
Byrne, Mr. Liam
Cable, Dr. Vincent
Cameron, rh Mr. David
Cawsey, Mr. Ian
Clark, Ms Katy
Clark, Paul
Clarke, rh Mr. Kenneth
Clegg, rh Mr. Nick
Coaker, Mr. Vernon
Coffey, Ann
Cohen, Harry
Cooper, Rosie
Cooper, rh Yvette
Creagh, Mary
Darling, rh Mr. Alistair
Davey, Mr. Edward
David, Mr. Wayne
Davies, Mr. Dai
Dean, Mrs. Janet
Denham, rh Mr. John
Dhanda, Mr. Parmjit
Dunne, Mr. Philip
Eagle, Angela
Eagle, Maria
Efford, Clive
Ennis, Jeff
Fallon, Mr. Michael
Fitzpatrick, Jim
Flint, rh Caroline
Follett, Barbara
Foster, Mr. Michael (Worcester)
Foster, Michael Jabez (Hastings and Rye)
Fox, Dr. Liam
Francois, Mr. Mark
George, Andrew
Gerrard, Mr. Neil
Gillan, Mrs. Cheryl
Gilroy, Linda
Goggins, Paul
Goldsworthy, Julia
Goodman, Helen
Goodwill, Mr. Robert
Gove, Michael
Grayling, Chris
Green, Damian
Greening, Justine
Grieve, Mr. Dominic
Griffith, Nia
Grogan, Mr. John
Gwynne, Andrew
Hague, rh Mr. William
Hall, Patrick
Hammond, Mr. Philip
Hancock, Mr. Mike
Hands, Mr. Greg
Harman, rh Ms Harriet
Harris, Dr. Evan
Healey, John
Herbert, Nick
Hesford, Stephen
Hewitt, rh Ms Patricia
Hillier, Meg
Hodge, rh Margaret
Hodgson, Mrs. Sharon
Hollobone, Mr. Philip
Holmes, Paul
Hoon, rh Mr. Geoffrey
Hope, Phil
Horwood, Martin
Hosie, Stewart
Howarth, David
Howells, Dr. Kim
Hughes, rh Beverley
Huhne, Chris
Hunter, Mark
Hutton, rh Mr. John
Irranca-Davies, Huw
Jackson, Glenda
Johnson, rh Alan
Johnson, Ms Diana R.
Jowell, rh Tessa
Joyce, Mr. Eric
Keeley, Barbara
Kelly, rh Ruth
Khan, Mr. Sadiq
Kidney, Mr. David
Knight, Jim
Kramer, Susan
Lamb, Norman
Lammy, Mr. David
Lancaster, Mr. Mark
Lazarowicz, Mark
Lepper, David
Letwin, rh Mr. Oliver
Lewis, Mr. Ivan
Liddell-Grainger, Mr. Ian
Lidington, Mr. David
Linton, Martin
Lloyd, Tony
Lucas, Ian
Mactaggart, Fiona
Malik, Mr. Shahid
Mallaber, Judy
Mann, John
Martlew, Mr. Eric
Maude, rh Mr. Francis
May, rh Mrs. Theresa
McAvoy, rh Mr. Thomas
McCabe, Steve
McCarthy, Kerry
McCarthy-Fry, Sarah
McDonagh, Siobhain
McFadden, Mr. Pat
McGuire, Mrs. Anne
McLoughlin, rh Mr. Patrick
McNulty, rh Mr. Tony
Merron, Gillian
Miliband, rh David
Miliband, rh Edward
Mitchell, Mr. Andrew
Moffatt, Laura
Mole, Chris
Moon, Mrs. Madeleine
Morden, Jessica
Morgan, Julie
Mullin, Mr. Chris
Murphy, Mr. Jim
Murphy, rh Mr. Paul
Newmark, Mr. Brooks
Norris, Dan
O'Brien, Mr. Mike
Osborne, Mr. George
Palmer, Dr. Nick
Pearson, Ian
Plaskitt, Mr. James
Pope, Mr. Greg
Prentice, Bridget
Purnell, rh James
Rammell, Bill
Randall, Mr. John
Raynsford, rh Mr. Nick
Reed, Mr. Jamie
Reid, Mr. Alan
Rifkind, rh Sir Malcolm
Robinson, Mr. Geoffrey
Ruddock, Joan
Seabeck, Alison
Selous, Andrew
Shaw, Jonathan
Sheerman, Mr. Barry
Skinner, Mr. Dennis
Slaughter, Mr. Andy
Smith, Ms Angela C. (Sheffield, Hillsborough)
Smith, Angela E. (Basildon)
Smith, rh Jacqui
Smith, Sir Robert
Snelgrove, Anne
Soulsby, Sir Peter
Spink, Bob
Starkey, Dr. Phyllis
Straw, rh Mr. Jack
Stunell, Andrew
Sutcliffe, Mr. Gerry
Swayne, Mr. Desmond
Swire, Mr. Hugo
Tami, Mark
Taylor, David
Thomas, Mr. Gareth
Thornberry, Emily
Timms, rh Mr. Stephen
Trickett, Jon
Twigg, Derek
Ussher, Kitty
Vara, Mr. Shailesh
Walley, Joan
Waltho, Lynda
Ward, Claire
Watson, Mr. Tom
Watts, Mr. Dave
Webb, Steve
Weir, Mr. Mike
Whitehead, Dr. Alan
Wicks, Malcolm
Willetts, Mr. David
Williams, Mark
Williams, Mr. Roger
Willott, Jenny
Wills, Mr. Michael
Wilson, Phil
Winnick, Mr. David
Winterton, rh Ms Rosie
Woodward, rh Mr. Shaun
Woolas, Mr. Phil
Wright, David
Wright, Mr. Iain
Wyatt, Derek
Young, rh Sir George
Tellers for the Noes:
Mr. Alan Campbell and
Tony Cunningham
Question accordingly negatived.
MEMBERS’ SALARIES (No. 2) [MONEY]
Her Majesty’s recommendation having been signified to the proposed motion —
That the following provision be made in relation to the salaries of Members of this House—
(1) from 1st April 2008 and from 1st April of each subsequent year a Member’s salary shall be increased by a percentage equal to the median of the relevant increases for the public sector groups listed in paragraph (2);
(2) the public sector groups are:
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