Chapter 3: interpretation
( ) An Order in Council under section 126(2) of the Scotland Act 1998 (c. 46) (apportionment of sea areas) has effect for the purposes of this Chapter if, or to the extent that, the Order is expressed to apply
(a) for the general or residual purposes of that Act, or
(b) by virtue of this subsection, for the purposes of this Chapter..
Malcolm Wicks: I think this is the first Government amendment to this Bill, which is testimony to its soundness. The last major Bill that I was responsible for taking through the House was the Pensions Bill, which set up the Pension Protection Fund and which the hon. Member for Northavon remembers with longing. I recall that because of the urgency of the action that we needed to take to establish a Pension Protection Fund and a pensions regulator, we had to amend our own Bill heavily. Indeed, the number of Government amendments approached 1,000, and it is with some relief that I introduce the first Government
These are technical amendments, but it will help if I explain them, and I hope that this introduction will convince hon. Members that they are important. The Bill contains a number of provisions that refer to certain areas of the sea to which the Bill will apply, or that will fall outside the scope of the Bill. Where we have excluded such waters, we have done so to preserve the position of the devolved Administrations. It is therefore important that the boundaries of the waters referred to in the Bill correspond with the established boundaries set out in statutory instruments. Those instruments have been made, respectively, under the Scotland Act 1998 and the Government of Wales Act 1998. I have therefore proposed the following three technical amendments, which will help to achieve our aim.
Amendment No. 1 amends clause 34, which is the definitions clause for the Bills carbon dioxide storage provisions, to ensure that the boundaries of the Scottish territorial waters that fall outside the scope of chapter 3, which covers carbon dioxide storage by virtue of clause 16, are those set out in an Order in Council made under section 126(2) of the Scotland Act 1998. The current order is S.I. 1999/1126.
Amendment No. 5 amends schedule 1 to the Bill, which in paragraphs 1 to 3 provides for the disapplication of the Food and Environment Protection Act 1985 in relation to the Bills gas and carbon dioxide storage provisions. In this case, the necessary clarification relates to the territorial waters adjacent to Wales. The amendment accordingly specifies the boundaries of the Welsh territorial waters within which the Food and Environment Protection Act 1985 will continue to apply. The boundaries are set out in an Order in Council made under or by virtue of section 158(3) or (4) of the Government of Wales Act 2006.
Amendment No. 6 will produce similar consequences in relation to the extension of the power to apply civil law to the offshore area under section 11 of the Petroleum Act 1998, in relation to gas storage, liquefied natural gas unloading and carbon dioxide storage. For the purposes of extending that power to carbon dioxide storage activities, activities within Scottish internal or territorial waters are excluded. That amendment will ensure that the boundaries of such waters are those set out in an Order in Council made under section 126(2) of the Scotland Act 1998.
To reiterate, these technical amendments will help to achieve the dual objective of ensuring consistency with the boundaries defined for the purposes of the Scottish and Welsh devolution settlements, as well as removing any doubt as to the exact boundaries of the internal or territorial waters covered by the relevant provisions of the Bill. I hope that members of the Committee will acknowledge the importance of establishing clear boundaries in regard to such waters and of ensuring that they match those drawn for the purposes of devolution. I duly ask hon. Members to accept these technical amendments.
Amendment agreed to.
Clause 34, as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 35 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Amendments relating to Chapters 2 and 3 of Part 1
Amendments made: No. 5, in schedule 1, page 80, line 29, at end insert
(b) after subsection (2) insert
(2A) An order or Order in Council made under or by virtue of section 158(3) or (4) of the Government of Wales Act 2006 (apportionment of sea areas) has effect for the purposes of Part 2 of this Act if, or to the extent that, the Order is expressed to apply for the general or residual purposes of that Act or, by virtue of this subsection, for the purposes of Part 2 of this Act..
No. 6, in schedule 1, page 82, line 19, at end insert
7A In section 13 (interpretation of Part 2), after the existing text (which becomes subsection (1)) insert
(2) An Order in Council under section 126(2) of the Scotland Act 1998 (apportionment of sea areas) has effect for the purposes of this Part if, or to the extent that, the Order is expressed to apply
(a) for the general or residual purposes of that Act, or
(b) by virtue of this subsection, for the purposes of this Part..[Malcolm Wicks.]
Charles Hendry: On a point of order, Mrs. Humble. I wonder whether you can clarify what is happening, because you have lost me. That is obviously not difficult to do, but I should be grateful for some clarification. The Government amendments relate to clause 34, and we have now moved beyond that clause and agreed to clause 35. I am not quite sure how we can dip back into Government amendments to clause 34.
The Chairman: Government amendments Nos. 5 and 6 relate to schedule 1. The Minister spoke to them previously, but now is the time to call them for decision under schedule 1 and the Committee has agreed to them. I do not think that I heard anything when I asked whether any hon. Member was not of the opinion that amendment No. 6 should be made.
Schedule 1, as amended, agreed to.
The renewables obligation
Thank you, Mrs. Humble, for the helpful explanation that have just given. It has been a while since I served on a Bill Committee and the details sometimes slip away. I thought I had found a way by which we could dive back into issues that we had discussed some time ago and bring them forward again, but that is clearly not the case.
Amendment No. 24 takes us into discussion of the provisions on the renewables obligation, and it may be helpful to give some background. We broadly welcome the clause. It has to be accepted that the renewables obligation certificates are a hideously complicated mechanism. One of my aims when I took on the role of shadow Energy Minister was to end up with a simpler system of financing such aspects of energy that is transparent and simple. ROCs are anything but
It is right that we should review the ROCs and move towards a banding system. Our goal must be to encourage emerging rather than mature technologies. However, that needs to be viewed against a backdrop of a poor take-up of renewables so far in the United Kingdom. Just 4 per cent. of our electricity production comes from renewables, making us the second worst in the European Union after Malta. We have 40 per cent of Europes wind. [Interruption.] My hon. Friend the Member for Billericay thinks that much of that wind is in this room. We have only 2 GW of installed wind capacity, with three times as much stuck in planning, compared with 18 GW of wind power in Germany. We are tied in to ambitious targets for renewables. Some 15 per cent. of all our energy must come from renewables, according to the EUs targets for this country. We need a dramatic transformation of the process in order to achieve that.
Amendment No. 24 was brought to our attention by Drax Power in relation to its concerns that caps on the volume of non-energy crops will result in less biomass being burnt, which will mean more CO2 being released into the atmosphere. Drax Power is concerned that
the threat of a cap will lead to the price of non-energy crop co-fired ROCs being discounted and will increase the risk associated with investment in the technology.
It has advised us further that that will
hit the public through deterring development in the cheapest form of renewables technology, leaving end customers to pay yet higher electricity prices for more expensive alternatives to enable the Government to achieve its target.
Drax Power tells us that
a cap is unnecessary under a banded Renewables Obligation regime, and particularly as there is provision for a review of the bands. The safeguard which allows for an early review of RO bands, should certain circumstances arise, is entirely appropriate.
Mr. Hugo Swire (East Devon) (Con): My hon. Friend is making a good point. Further to that, a lot of farmers are being encouraged to grow non-energy crops for such power stations. Putting a cap on that will be a disincentive and many farmers will feel that they have been misled, having invested money in something that will now be worthless.
Charles Hendry: My hon. Friend is right. That is an important point. The first time that I debated with the Minister was on a Statutory Instrument Committee relating to ROCs. Co-firing with biomass was an important element in that debate. The Minister was struck by the strength of opinion from all parties in the House. I was grateful to him for the way in which he reviewed that matter.
The amendment would delete proposed new section 32A(2)(d) to the Electricity Act 1989.
Steve Webb (Northavon) (LD): I have been quiet so far this afternoon. I am just warming up. I have some sympathy with the amendment, although not for the reason that the hon. Gentleman has given. I have seen the briefing that he properly refers to. My understanding of what the clause would do is different from his, although that does not necessarily mean that it is right.
The proposed new section that the hon. Gentleman wants to remove allows the Government to require the energy companies to buy particular sorts of ROCs. It says:
a specified number, or a specified proportion, of the renewables obligation certificates produced by
supplier...must be certificates in respect of electricity generated
in various ways. As I understand itI hope that the Minister will correct me if I am wrongthat gives the Government the power not simply to ban ROCs and let the market get on with it, but to superimpose on banded ROCs a further requirement. For example, let us suppose that we had ROCs from a particularly obscure renewable that the Government decided suddenly that they wanted to favour. Rather than just change the banding, they could require the energy companies to buy ROCs from that renewable source. That is how I read the provision. If that were right, it would bother me.
The whole principle of banding ROCs and picking technologies, for which I can see the case, makes me nervous. The idea that subsequent to having banded and picked technologies, and given them different rankings, the Bill would give power for indeterminate meddlingin specified ways, or other specified cases or circumstancesdoes not create the certainty that generators would want. That is what worries me about the lines that the amendment tabled by the hon. Member for Wealden would take out. They might create additional uncertainty and, given that we are talking about long-term investments in some cases, even having the banding reviewed, which we shall deal with under subsequent amendments, is a source of uncertainty. My worry is that the subsection is another source of uncertainty, and I hope that the Minister can clarify why the powers are needed, because I am not yet convinced that they are.
Malcolm Wicks: I am grateful for the chance to talk about a part of the Bill that raises some issues, and to explain how we arrived at the formulation before us. We shall be talking about the renewables obligation at some length today, so I wish to provide the Committee with some brief background information about how it works.
The renewables obligation or RO requires licensed electricity suppliers to source a specific and annually increasing percentage of the electricity that they supply from renewable resources. The current level is 7.9 per cent. for 2007-08, increasing to 15.4 per cent. by 2015-16. It is expected that the obligation, together with exemption from the climate change levy for electricity from renewables, will provide support to industry of up to £1 billion per year by 2010. Suppliers will fulfil their obligation by presenting renewables obligation certificates, often known as ROCs, which are awarded by Ofgem to generators for renewable
The key reform in our proposed package of measures, which the Bill will give us powers to carry out, is the introduction of banding, so that technologies will be grouped and awarded with different numbers of ROCs per megawatt-hour. I am sure that we shall discuss the provision in more detail but, for now, I wish to focus on the amendment.
Amendment No. 24 would remove the power under proposed new section 32A(2)(d). The power is intended to enable the Secretary of State to require electricity suppliers in meeting their obligation to source a minimum proportion of their electricity from specified sources, descriptions of generating station or means of generation. It is necessary and should be retained. I want to describe first how the power is drafted and then deal with the concerns expressed over how it will be used.
Proposed new section 32A(2)(d) is a translation of an existing power. In reforming the RO under the new Energy Bill, we are repealing all the existing legislation and replacing it with proposed new sections 32 to 32M. I hope that that makes considering the entirety of the reformed RO legislation much easier. However, we have carried forward the existing legislation into the proposed new sections where the existing powers are still relevant. The subsection that we are considering now is one such case.
In the Electricity Act 1989, existing sections 32A(1)(b), (c) and (d) give the Secretary of State the flexibility to make provision so that only renewable electricity from certain forms of generation or renewable source can be used to satisfy the obligation. In other words, under the existing powers of the 1989 Act, the Secretary of State already has powers to focus the obligation on specific technologies or renewable sources if that is appropriate. To take a purely hypothetical example for illustration, he could use the power to require that a certain amount of the renewable electricity that electricity suppliers supply to meet their obligation must come from wave power.
Our challenge in creating the proposed new sections under consideration today is to ensure that the powers are translated so that they remain relevant to the new reformed RO, the changing renewables market and fast-developing renewables technologies. We have done that in two ways.
First, the references to the specified amounts of electricity counting towards the obligation need to be changed to reflect the fact that in future suppliers obligations will be expressed in numbers of ROCs, rather than the amount of electricity. The new provisions allow the Secretary of State, in an order, to specify that a number or proportion of the ROCs produced by an electricity supplier, in discharging the obligation, must be certificated in respect of certain types of generation.
Secondly, where the law previously allowed the Secretary of State to identify sources or descriptions of stations, we now need to be more flexible in order to take account of how technologies and ways of generating renewable electricity are developing and of
That is why we wish to allow scope for the Secretary of State to identify specific types of generation and to focus the obligation on them. That means that the power requires sufficient flexibility to allow him to pin down the types, sorts or means of generation, if any, that he wishes the RO to focus on. The references in proposed new subsection 32A(2)(c)(iii) and (iv) to
specified ways, or...specified cases or circumstances
provide us with that scope.
I hope that that explains how the new formulation of the power has been arrived at. Electricity companies want to know what it will be used for. I can confirm that it is not currently our intention to use it in order to focus the obligation so that suppliers would have to, for example, present a certain number of ROCs in respect of a single renewable technology, such as wind power. To a large degree, we anticipate that banding will allow us to provide the correct level of support to different technologies. However, given that the move to banding in the development of new technologies will add complexity to the renewables picture, we cannot rule out wanting to consult on using the power to boost a particular renewable type of generation as our policy evolves in pursuit of challenging targets. We certainly recognise that, before 2020, we will need to do more to support renewables in a changing and more complex environment.
Steve Webb: Presumably, if the Minister decided that he wanted to support a particular renewable technology, the alternative would be to whop up the banding. Why does he need, therefore, what appears to be a meddling power? We can do that by changing the banding, but the provision before us represents super-meddling, which is beloved of the Prime Minister. Why can the Government not just use different banding to achieve the same goals?
Malcolm Wicks: Banding is our desired instrument and the one for which we are legislating, but it is difficult to anticipate the future of emerging technologies. We just want to keep our options open. I have said that at the moment it is not our intention to use the power to support a particular technology. Rather than removing one of the tools at our disposal, we should retain it, as I have been saying, in case we need it in the future. I stress, of course, that if we consider using it, a decision would continue to be subject to consultation and parliamentary scrutiny through the affirmative procedure. For those reasons, I wish to retain the power in the Bill.
I was asked about Draxs call for a cap on co-firing to be removed. The amendment in question would not have the proposed effect. We have consulted on the cap on non-energy crops biomass. There is considerable concern that co-firing is particularly volatile, because the fuels are readily available. We have taken the view
Charles Hendry: I am grateful to the Minister for most of that answer, at least. He has reassured us to some extent, but I wonder whether, if organisations such as Drax Power continue to have concerns after hearing what he has said today, it would be possible for them to meet with officials in his Department, and whether he could facilitate that to ensure that their views are fully taken into account and they can be properly reassured. Based on what the Minister has told us, I beg to ask leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
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