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Clause 155

Power to make transitional and consequential provision etc.
Question proposed, That the clause stand part of the Bill.
Mr. O'Brien: All I need to know from the Minister about the power to make transitional and consequential provisions is, on line 23, what is meant by “savings”?
Mr. Bradshaw: I will have to write to the hon. Gentleman with the specific details.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 155 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 15 6 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clause 157

Extent
Amendment made: No. 122, in clause 157, page 103, line 27, after ‘110,’ insert
‘(Powers and duties of Council for Healthcare Regulatory Excellence),’.—[Mr. Bradshaw.]
Mr. Bradshaw: I beg to move amendment No. 123, in clause 157, page 103, line 27, after ‘110,’ insert
‘(Fees payable by General Medical Council and General Optical Council),’.
The Chairman: With this it will be convenient to discuss Government new clause 7—Fees payable by General Medical Council and General Optical Council.
Mr. Bradshaw: Both provisions relate to the fee-charging regime of the Office of the Health Professions Adjudicator, which we debated at some length earlier in the Committee. I do not intend to add any more to the discussions that we had then.
Mr. O'Brien: As the Minister said, this relates to matters that were brought forward on the Floor of the House in a separate ways and means debate. We had a long discussion around the fee-raising powers of the OHPA and the associated governance and value-for-money issues. That debate is recorded from column 357.
It is right to point out that we remain concerned that the OHPA is not totally independent of the Government. The Minister assured the Committee that departmental power lies only with payment and loans made to OHPA. He also assured us that an executive, non-departmental public body—if OHPA is eventually classified as one of those by the Office for National Statistics—does not have to refer any of its judgments back to the sponsoring Department. It does not have to explain to the Department why it has made any professional decision, nor does it have to give the Department details of its professional decisions. There is total independence in the panel’s professional decisions and Ministers will have no power to interfere in any of its adjudication decisions.
However, new clause 7 opens up the path for the OHPA to collect fees from the General Optical Council and the General Medical Council—fees that will be passed on to doctors, opticians and associated professions. Again it is right to place on record that we remain concerned that the Government have a power over the levy, particularly as they have not yet clarified the likely level of the fees and the running costs of the OHPA, although I readily acknowledge that the Minister will seek to give us further details, hopefully in the near future, so that we can bottom this one out. The Government have not given sufficient guarantees protecting doctors against massive year-on-year fee increases, in the event that the OHPA fails financially because of Government error. I was half-inclined, on a feet-to-the-fire basis, to propose that we should seek to divide the Committee on the issue, but assuming that the Government are happy to acknowledge that they are genuinely coming forward with more details for us to consider, I am happy to allow the amendment to go forward at this stage.
Amendment agreed to.
Clause 157, as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clause 158

Commencement
Amendment proposed: No. 260, in clause 158, page 104, line 17, at end insert—
‘(aa) section 44’.—[Mr. O'Brien.]
Question put, That the amendment be made:—
The Committee divided: Ayes 6, Noes 9.
Division No. 13 ]
AYES
Browning, Angela
Gidley, Sandra
Milton, Anne
Mulholland, Greg
O'Brien, Mr. Stephen
Wright, Jeremy
NOES
Bradshaw, Mr. Ben
Cooper, Rosie
Hesford, Stephen
Hopkins, Kelvin
Jenkins, Mr. Brian
Kumar, Dr. Ashok
McCabe, Steve
Mallaber, Judy
Moffatt, Laura
Question accordingly negatived.
Clause 158 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clause 159

The appropriate authority by whom commencement order is made
Question proposed, That the clause stand part of the Bill.
Mr. O'Brien: Had the Secretary of State adopted the amendments that we proposed in relation to making the Secretary of State for Health and his Department responsible for the health in pregnancy grant, this is the point at which we would have had the need to delete the word “Treasury”. If, when reviewing all that we have discussed, he finds that we have made a sound point and would like to wrest this power from the Treasury as we have been urging him to do—frankly, all power to his elbow—this is where he would also need an amendment.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 159 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clause 160

Consultation in relation to commencement
Amendment made: No. 178, in clause 160, page 105, line 36, at end insert—
‘( ) Before making a commencement order relating to—
(a) paragraph 12A, 13(za), (a)(i) or (ab), 14A, 14B, 15, 15A, 15B, 16A, 16B, 17(b) or (c), 17A, 17B, 22A or 22B of Schedule 5,
(b) section 89 so far as relating to those paragraphs, or
(c) Part 1 of Schedule 15 so far as relating to those paragraphs (or section 154 so far as relating to that Part of that Schedule),
the Secretary of State must consult the Welsh Ministers.’.—[Mr. Bradshaw.]
Clause 160, as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clauses 161 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
3.30 pm

New Clause 6

Powers and duties of Council for Healthcare Regulatory Excellence
‘In section 26 of the 2002 Act (powers and duties of the Council: general), for subsection (4) substitute—
“(4) Subsection (3) does not prevent the Council from—
(a) taking action under section 28,
(b) taking action under section 29 after the regulatory body’s proceedings have ended, or
(c) investigating particular cases with a view to making general reports on the performance by the regulatory body of its functions or making general recommendations affecting future cases.”’.—[Mr. Bradshaw.]
Brought up, read the First and Second time, and added to the Bill.

New Clause 7

Fees payable by General Medical Council and General Optical Council
‘(1) The Secretary of State must with the approval of the Treasury make regulations requiring each of the regulatory bodies to pay to the OHPA periodic fees in respect of the discharge by the OHPA of its functions.
(2) The regulations must provide for the amount of the fees to be determined by the OHPA in accordance with the regulations.
(3) The regulations must require the OHPA to exercise its powers under the regulations with a view to ensuring that its chargeable costs are met by fees payable under the regulations and, accordingly, that the fees payable by each regulatory body cover—
(a) so much of the OHPA’s chargeable costs as are treated by the regulations as being attributable to the OHPA’s functions under the relevant regulatory Act, and
(b) an apportionment between the regulatory bodies of so much of the OHPA’s chargeable costs as are not treated by the regulations as being attributable to the OHPA’s functions under that Act or the other relevant regulatory Act.
(4) For the purposes of subsection (3), the OHPA’s “chargeable costs” are the costs incurred by the OHPA under or for the purposes of this Act or any other enactment, other than costs—
(a) incurred before such day as may be specified in the regulations, or
(b) incurred for a purpose specified in the regulations.
(5) The regulations must provide that no fee is to be payable unless the OHPA has—
(a) notified the regulatory bodies of its proposed determination as to the amount of the fees payable by them,
(b) considered any representations made by the regulatory bodies in relation to the proposed determination, and
(c) notified each of the regulatory bodies of the OHPA’s determination of the amount payable by that body (which may be more or less than the amount proposed).
(6) The regulations may require the OHPA to obtain the approval of the Treasury in relation to the amount of any fee.
(7) The regulations may—
(a) make provision as to the times at which fees are to be paid;
(b) enable a determination to be varied, replaced or revoked;
(c) provide that if the whole or any part of a fee payable under the regulations is not paid by the time when it is required to be paid under the regulations, the unpaid balance from that time carries interest at the rate determined by or in accordance with the regulations;
(d) make provision as to the recovery of fees.
(8) Before making regulations under this section, the Secretary of State must consult the regulatory bodies and such other persons as the Secretary of State considers appropriate.
(9) In this section—
“regulatory body” means the General Medical Council or the General Optical Council;
“relevant regulatory Act” means—
(a) in relation to the General Medical Council, the Medical Act 1983 (c. 54), and
(b) in relation to the General Optical Council, the Opticians Act 1989 (c. 44).’.—[Mr. Bradshaw.]
Brought up, read the First and Second time, and added to the Bill.

New Clause 13

Avoidance of unreasonable burdens in exercise of regulatory powers
‘(1) The Secretary of State may publish guidance about steps which regulatory authorities may take in exercising relevant powers with a view to avoiding the imposition of unreasonable burdens on those in respect of whom the powers are exercisable.
(2) “Regulatory authorities” means—
(a) the Commission, and
(b) such other bodies as may be prescribed.
(3) A body may not be prescribed under subsection (2)(b) unless it has functions relating to the provision of health or social care.
(4) “Relevant powers” means powers conferred by or under an enactment to—
(a) carry out inspections, or
(b) require the provision of information,
but, in relation to a body prescribed under subsection (2)(b), such powers are “relevant powers” only so far as they are exercisable in respect of a person in respect of whom the Commission has relevant powers.
(5) The steps mentioned in subsection (1) might include for example—
(a) co-operating with other regulatory authorities and co-ordinating the exercise of relevant powers,
(b) sharing information or the results of inspections, and
(c) seeking to obtain information from other sources before exercising a relevant power to require the provision of that information.
(6) In exercising relevant powers, regulatory authorities must have regard to any guidance published under subsection (1).
(7) Nothing in this section is intended to limit the scope of a relevant power or affect a person’s obligation to comply with a requirement imposed in the exercise of such a power.
(8) In this section—
(a) “inspections” includes inspections of persons, premises or the carrying on of activities,
(b) a reference to a power to carry out inspections includes a reference to any power which is ancillary to that power (such as a power to enter premises or to require assistance), and
(c) a reference to a power to require the provision of information includes a reference to a power to require the production of documents, records or other items, a power to require the making of reports and a power to require explanations.’.—[Mr. Bradshaw.]
Brought up, read the First and Second time, and added to the Bill.
 
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