Select Committee on Communities and Local Government Committee Written Evidence


Supplementary memorandum by Ordnance Survey

  Ordnance Survey has considered the Uncorrected Evidence submitted in response to the Committee. Since the Uncorrected Evidence was submitted:

    —  The Government Response to the Office of Fair Trading (OFT) Study on the Commercial Use of Public Information (CUPI Study) has been published (in June 2007);

    —  Ordnance Survey and the OFT have continued constructive engagement in respect of the CUPI Study findings as they affect Ordnance Survey. Although all outstanding issues are not yet completely resolved, significant progress has been made and Ordnance Survey is eager for final resolution on outstanding issues; and

    —  The definition of Ordnance Survey's Public Task referred to in paragraph 1a.3 of its Memorandum of 1 June 2007, has now been finalised by Shareholder Executive and approved by Ministers of Communities and Local Government. A copy of this document is attached at Annexe 1.

  Ordnance Survey comments below on a number of issues raised in the Uncorrected Evidence. However, it has not sought to comment on individual points that were raised by different parties as it assumes that the Committee's intention is to review the overall position rather than to arbitrate specific disputes. However, if the Committee considers that any specific points have not been adequately dealt with by Ordnance Survey in its memoranda, Ordnance Survey would welcome the opportunity to provide further written evidence to the Committee on such points.

Q1  Ordnance Survey's public service and national interest work

  Many Government respondents to the Committee underlined the importance to them of Ordnance Survey data maintained to the currency, reliability, consistency and completeness they require.[79] These needs are reflected in the new Public Task document which now has been agreed with Ministers in order to provide additional clarity as to the boundaries of Ordnance Survey's "public service and national interest work".

  These issues are, in our view, largely distinct from the recommendation of the OFT, following its CUPI study, that Ordnance Survey's "monopoly activities" (unrefined information) should be separated from its "competitive or contestable activities" (refined information).[80] Although Ordnance Survey would agree that Ordnance Survey's "unrefined information" is likely to overlap to a substantial extent with its Public Task information, it does not believe that this is necessarily true in all cases. The concept of "public task", which is directed at securing that information is available to Government, and "unrefined data", which is directed at separating out "monopoly" activities, are essentially directed to different issues. It is entirely possible, for example, that there could be a need for certain types of data to be produced as a "public task" matter in order to ensure that a certain specification or geographic coverage is maintained, despite the fact that similar products are available in the market for certain geographies and, as regards other customers, are regarded as competitive alternatives to the Ordnance Survey product. In this respect Ordnance Survey disagrees with the OFT view that the public service and national interest work of Ordnance Survey needs to be drawn narrowly to reflect the "monopoly element in the geographic information market".[81]

Q1(a)  Distinction between public service and commercial activity

  Although Ordnance Survey now has a revised Public Task, it remains the case that a clear distinction cannot be drawn between Ordnance Survey's "public" and "commercial" operations. Ordnance Survey is required to fund all of its operations (both Public Task and non-Public Task) under its Trading Fund model, and consequently has to obtain a commercial return on all of its activities. The distinction between its public service and commercial activity is therefore inherently blurred.

  The OFT, as part of its CUPI Study, has recommended that there be accounting separation between Ordnance Survey's unrefined and refined information activities. However, this is not the same as a distinction between "public" and "commercial" activities—the OFT recognises that Ordnance Survey needs to charge for unrefined information in order to fund unrefined information activities. Also, as stated above, some Public Task activities may fall in Ordnance Survey's refined information activities.

  Nor are the OFT's recommendations directly addressed at the issue many Government respondents have identified, which is that one of the main issues of data access for them is affordability. Although OFT believes that accounting separation would lead to cheaper unrefined information, because any possibility of downstream cross-subsidisation will be removed, the level of potential savings is as yet unassessed and may not be material. In any case, Government customers, who already benefit from extremely favourable terms under the collective purchasing agreements under which they obtain that data, are unlikely to be the primary beneficiaries of any such pricing adjustment.

  Ordnance Survey therefore believes that the distinction between its public service and commercial activities will remain blurred for as long as it is required to self-finance all of its operations under the Trading Fund model. Some respondents have suggested an alternative model whereby Ordnance Survey's Public Task activities obtain direct Government funding and be made more freely available (both in terms of cost and restrictions on use).[82] That would, of course, make the distinction clear, but Ordnance Survey itself is not able to change the model under which it operates (which is dictated by statute).

  In accordance with the Government's Response to The Power of Information, Ordnance Survey understands that an independent review has been commissioned, to be published by Budget 2008, of the costs and benefits of the current Trading Fund charging model for the re-use of public sector information.

  A number of respondents criticised Ordnance Survey's financial performance as a Trading Fund. Ordnance Survey disagrees with the analysis of these respondents who have either misinterpreted the financial information and/or misunderstand the financial targets which Ordnance Survey is required to meet. As the issue of Ordnance Survey's financial performance is not a direct subject of inquiry for this Committee, Ordnance Survey has provided further information on this issue in Annexe 2.

Q2  Independent Arbitration

  Intelligent Addressing in its Uncorrected Evidence states that NLPG "cannot be licensed for use outside local government on what IA consider to be fair and reasonable terms because an element of NLPG data was originally derived from Ordnance Survey".

  These issues have already been the subject of a complaint by Intelligent Addressing to OPSI under the Information Fair Trader Scheme and the Re-use of Public Sector Information Regulations. That complaint has been fully heard, both by OPSI and (in relation to a number of specific points) on appeal to APPSI. Intelligent Addressing succeeded in part of its complaint and OPSI made a number of recommendations to Ordnance Survey, including recommendations for some substantive amendments to its licensing terms, which Ordnance Survey has complied with.

  Intelligent Addressing's appeal to APPSI (which was unsuccessful) was solely on the issue of the Re-use of Public Sector Information Regulations and did not affect OPSI's findings under the Information Fair Trader Scheme.

  Ordnance Survey understands that Intelligent Addressing is dissatisfied with the ultimate outcome of its complaint but does not consider that dissatisfaction justifies the conclusion that OPSI's and APPSI's "processes do not offer clarity or certainty of redress because of a lack of empowerment and resources amongst the appropriate authorities". Part of Intelligent Addressing's complaint was ultimately unsuccessful on its merits. In respect of the part of the complaint that was successful, Ordnance Survey complied with OPSI's recommendations.

  We note that the Intelligent Addressing complaint (or the factual substance of it) has been raised by no fewer than nine other respondents,[83] many of whom have a relationship with Intelligent Addressing.[84] Ordnance Survey would like to emphasise that it took this complaint very seriously and has now addressed the issues raised to the satisfaction of the adjudicating bodies.

Q3-Q5  Geographic Panel

  Some submissions comment on the membership of the UK GI Panel. The initial members of the Panel were appointed by the then Parliamentary Under Secretary of State within the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister (Yvette Cooper MP) on the advice of ODPM officials. Four members of the GI Panel represent organisations with significant private and commercial sector interests and membership within the geographic information community.

  Some submissions to the Committee have perceived a potential conflict of interest at Ministerial level as the sponsor Minister for the UK GI Panel, (and hence the Minister to whom the UK Location Strategy would be submitted), was also the sponsor Minister for Ordnance Survey. This original decision was made by CLG, but the perception has now been addressed following the changes in Ministerial responsibilities in June 2007. Baroness Andrews, Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government, and the Minister with responsibility for the procurement of Geographic Information on behalf of Government, has assumed Ministerial responsibility for the UK GI Panel.

Q6-Q8  National Interest Mapping Services Agreement1

  Ordnance Survey has nothing further to add to its previous submissions on these questions.

Q9  Competition

  The Government Response to the CUPI Study was published on 26 June 2007 and Ordnance Survey is actively engaged in discussions with the OFT to resolve its outstanding concerns. Ordnance Survey expects that the final conclusion of these discussions, which are ongoing, will lead to some changes in Ordnance Survey's business model but as these discussions are ongoing it is difficult to comment more specifically on these.

  Two issues that are not the direct focus of the OFT recommendations are those that have been raised by a number of Government respondents—data sharing and derived data.[85] While Ordnance Survey tries to do what it can to accommodate these needs of its Government customers and also recognises the need to continue to improve its licensing terms, these are two issues which present significant challenges to Ordnance Survey under its current Trading Fund model. For so long as Ordnance Survey is required to fund all of its operations from its revenues, it needs carefully to control the use of its data by licensing in order to preserve the value of the intellectual property rights in the data. It is Ordnance Survey's licensing income which accounts practically for its entire revenue. If Ordnance Survey were to allow unfettered sharing of its data (which is the ideal for Government customers) then either the prices charged for the data would need to significantly increase (to reflect the much broader use that is being licensed) or the value of its intellectual property rights to the taxpayer would quickly diminish. Clearly this is a spectrum and a balance needs to be struck. Ordnance Survey considers that the balance that it has currently achieved is a compromise which meets many of the needs of Government customers, while preserving the value of Ordnance Survey's assets.

  Some of the Uncorrected Evidence makes speculative assertions which are presented as fact. In some instances unfounded allegations of unlawful or irregular behaviour on the part of Ordnance Survey are made. The Committee has asked for information relating to perceived unfair competition by Ordnance Survey. However, Ordnance Survey considers that there is a danger in coming to any conclusions based on information where issues either have not been brought before, or alternatively have already been adjudicated on by, a relevant court or regulatory body.




79   Department for Environment Food and Rural Affairs, Uncorrected Evidence 08; Defence Intelligence, Intelligence Collection Strategy and Plans, Ministry of Defence, Uncorrected Evidence 10; Local Government Association/Improvement and Development Agency, Uncorrected Evidence 13; Local Government Data Unit-Wales, Uncorrected Evidence 14; The Association of Regional Observatories, Uncorrected Evidence 16. Back

80   Uncorrected Evidence 03, paragraph 4.1. Back

81   Uncorrected Evidence 03, paragraph 4.18. Back

82   For example, Local Government Association/Improvement and Development Agency, Uncorrected Evidence 13; The Association of Regional Observatories, Uncorrected Evidence 16; Defence Intelligence, Intelligence Collection Strategy and Plans, Ministry of Defence, Uncorrected Evidence 10. Back

83   Local Government Association / Improvement and Development Agency, Uncorrected Evidence 13, paragraph 10 "issues over licensing of [NLPG] data remain intractable despite effort on several fronts over recent months"; Getmapping, uncorrected evidence 07, section b); OFT, Uncorrected Evidence 03, paragraph 4.32; OPSI, Uncorrected Evidence 02, paragraph 14; Pollard, Uncorrected Evidence 11; Corbin, Uncorrected Evidence 12, paragraph 5; Association of Geographic Information, Uncorrected Evidence 06, paragraphs 2.2, 2.3, 8.2 and 8.3; The Locus Association, Uncorrected Evidence 05, "a member's recent complaint"; Government Data Unit-Wales, Uncorrected Evidence 14, Q2. Back

84   Intelligent Addressing is a limited company in a "public/private partnership" with Improvement and Development Agency and is a member of The Locus Association and Association of Geographic Information. Back

85   Department for Environment food and Rural Affairs, Uncorrected Evidence 08; Local Government Data Unit-Wales, Uncorrected Evidence 14; The Association of Regional Observatories, Uncorrected Evidence 16. Back


 
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