Select Committee on Communities and Local Government Committee Written Evidence


Memorandum by Clara Greed, Professor of Inclusive Urban Planning, UWE, Bristol

  I am writing this in both a personal capacity as a toileteer, and also drawing on our various research activities and academic and professional pursuits in this field. I have always been the one to say what everyone else thinks but dare not say, so please take all this in the best possible spirit as I weep for the state of our nation and its toilets.

BACKGROUND

  I have undertaken a considerable amount of research on public toilets in recent years and also on mainstreaming gender considerations into spatial planning. Previously we undertook research for the Nuffield Foundation the differences between user and provider perspectives on public toilet provision, and most recently undertook EPSRC funded research on the role of public toilets in creating accessible city centres with colleagues at UCL, Prof Julienne Hanson, and Jo-Anne Bichard (now at RCA Helen Hamlyn Inclusive Design Centre) and am currently preparing work for ESRC on the societal aspects of public toilet policy. I have also undertaken research for the RTPI, Oxfam UK Urban Regeneration programme, and ESRC on the importance of gender considerations in urban planning policy, and have had several articles published in refereed journals such as Urban Studies, and Progress in Planning on the question of mainstreaming gender considerations into spatial planning policy as a result of the Gender Equality Duty (and previously at EU level the Amsterdam Treaty).

  As to qualifications, I am a town planner, chartered surveyor, fellow of the Chartered Institute of Building, and have a PhD in the field of surveying education and practice. I am a member of the BSI committee dealing with BS6465 Sanitary Installations, and I am currently heading up the work on writing a new Part 4 of BS6465 specifically on public toilet provision. We previously revised Part 1 in 2006 to conform to the requirements of gender equality and the 2006 Equality Act. Part 1 also contains an explanatory Annex setting out the required standards for public toilet provision (Part 4 being a full treatment of this and other public toilet related issues). I got into toilets because in the course of undertaking research on the social aspects of planning and what people wanted most in our cities, the topic of public toilets kept on coming up, especially from women. In fact, legally, town planners and surveyors have no statutory powers to include public toilet policy in their plans and planning documents, nor is it required to show public toilet locations on policy maps: which is part of the problem of course.

RESPONSE TO YOUR LIST OF QUESTIONS

1.   The need for public toilets in relation to access to public spaces, the needs of older people, disabled people, families and of course WOMEN too

  Public toilets may appear to be insignificant, small buildings within the city as a whole, but their impact is disproportionate to their size, as they are essential to enabling people to travel, access, and stay out away from home, without fear of there not being a toilet available. As explained in previous research, public toilets may be seen as the missing link in creating SUSTAINABLE, accessible, equal cities and society. If the government wants to get people out of their cars and back onto public transport then public toilet provision at the local level, and in particular in relation to transport termini, and to the main centres of human activity including district and city centres, is essential. This is because people cannot simply get in their cars and drive to the nearest motorway service station: if they are on foot then even half a mile is a considerable distance when looking for a loo. Public toilets are an essential, and essentially, LOCAL facility but their existence is important to the functioning of the city as a whole.

  Lack of public toilet provision affects everyone, not just the incontinent or elderly, but some groups are better provided for than others. Women in particular, that is the majority of the population, 52% of the nation, and more like 55% in many cities are particularly disadvantaged as they have less facilities to start with in terms of geographical "spread" in terms of places where men can relieve themselves. For example, not only are there still areas where there are only Gents public loos and nothing for women (look around the London area and the Welsh valleys for example) but men have more off-street facilities in pubs, clubs, sports and leisure facilities. When women "moan" I have often heard men say, "well they could always use a pub". This is not convenient for many women who would be very wary of going into a strange pub and once in the facilities for women are usually substandard and inaccessible too for those with pushchairs and children, and often not open until 11am.

  We have to consider the temporal as well as spatial provision of toilets in terms of time planning policy (an increasing issue at EU policy level). Women need toilets at different times from men, particularly during the day time when they are more likely to be out and about shopping, in charge of children, going to part-time jobs etc. Great concern was expressed by respondents during our research that greater emphasis was put upon the evening and night-time needs of male drinkers, than was put upon the majority of women and other people during the day time. Creating the evening economy and the 24 hour city has not necessarily increased the numbers of people coming into the city in the evenings, indeed it has deterred many because of the problems of excessive drinking and subsequent street fouling.

  Providing male street urinals is not a solution for women, and is arguably against the requirements of the Gender Equality Duty, by which gender considerations need to be taken into account in respect of all aspects of local authority resource allocation, policy making, and service delivery. I was saddened to see that some of the memoranda that you have already assumed seemed to assume that street urinals "solved" the problem. But thank the Lord there were also many other very very good responses that you received that were very aware of the fact that women's needs must be taken into account as well. One of the problems is that if you write to a local authority the response will come from the very male-dominated public works and sanitation departments responsible for public toilets, who perpetuate this lack of consideration of women's needs. If you write to community groups and women's groups you will get a completely different picture of the situation.

  There is always a difference of opinion between toilet users as against toilet providers and their agendas are quite different. Most toilet designers, policy-makers, engineers are male, and most toilet user groups contain a greater proportion of women. The ideal solution for providers might be to charge, to restrict use and close toilets, but for users their concerns are quite different. Be aware of this when judging feedback to the questions asked.

  Public toilet provision needs to be dealt with as an integral part of strategic level spatial policy making, along with, and linked to transportation planning, land use and development policies, not as a separate issue dealt with by technical-level officers more used to dealing with rat catching and dustbins! We found from the gender mainstreaming research that it is very difficult to apply the GED to such technical departments as they have no "plan" no forward policy -making role but they just struggle from one crisis to another, closing toilets to "solve" toilet maintenance problems, whilst creating much vaster social problems for bona fide would-be urinators in the process. This is why I have always stressed the importance of integrating toilet provision into spatial plan-making, planning law, and of course the new planning framework. I have raised this issue when invited by the DCLG to discuss with their senior policy makers the question of integrating gender into the new planning system, not least because the new White Paper on planning hardly mentioned equalities and social issues, except for a brief mention of race and not much more. But this may be a trap as toilets are not a "social" issue worthy of pity they should be seen as a hard physical land use matter just like any other type of building or development. Otherwise we get all the response at appeal level of toilet provision being ultra vires as it is "not a land use matter" and so imposition of planning conditions and S.106 agreements for toilet provision in new developments fail.

  Within each toilet block itself women have less provision than men, on average there is twice as much provision for men as women. Even if the floorspace is the same in the Ladies and the Gents, there is likely to be more "places to pee" (facilities) because urinals take up far less space than cubicles and so more users can be accommodated. This is one of the reasons why there are always queues for the Ladies. It is not because they are wasting time doing their make up in the loos, indeed many of the respondents from the research said they would be wary of staying in a public toilet any longer than they absolutely had to because of the dangers inherent in the situation nowadays.

  Not only do women have less provision but the quality of provision is very poor. Some cubicles are so small that the inward opening door touches the edge of the toilet pan so it is almost impossible to get it. Standards of cleanliness, hygiene, maintenance are also very poor, and a complete contrast with the high standards of domestic bathrooms attained nowadays in people's homes. Disabled toilets are often disgusting whereas in our research we found many people want hygienic clean conditions to carry out tasks such as cleaning their stomas, or changing pads, and simple things like having hot running water, a shelf to put things on, and a dry clean floor are so important. This is all a disgrace for a modern industrial society which ranks about 6th in the world in terms of overall wealth. Attention to public toilet provision reduces all sorts of health complications and thus reduces the NHS bill as explained in various of my articles, some of which are attached to this document. Women are very wary of sitting on dirty wet seats and so tend to "hover" which leads to urine retention and eventual incontinence problems, so poor ergonomic design affects health as much as dirty conditions (see my article on toilet pathogens). But any port in a storm, any toilet is better than no toilet!

  This inequality applies not just in public on street toilets but in all types of buildings, offices, theatres, museums, cinemas, sports stadia, factories, shops—everything! I am a member of the British Standards Institute BS6465 on Sanitary Installations. We have recently updated Part 1 which sets the ratios and levels of provision for all categories of buildings, in the light of the requirements of the GED and equality legislation. Most public toilets are old and historically provision is extremely unequal for women, and generally inaccessible for many disabled and disenabled groups too. Expecting women to use off street facilities in pubs, bars, restaurants, places of entertainment etc, would simply add to the queues that already exist for paying customers. I do not think you have thought this one through enough. Also as discussed with BSI itself we are very concerned that any Select committee should come up with final recommendations that contradict, and diminish the requirements of established government-approved British Standards. Legally you are on extremely thin ice should this come about contradicting accepted government standards as already blessed and published and indeed agreed with ISO (the International Standards Agency) at the global level. Not forgetting the fact that the UK is a signatory of the UN Millennium goals (which has big chunk on sanitation and infrastructural development taking into account gender) and of course the Amsterdam Treaty 1997 within the EU which has taken ages to trickle down in terms of subsidiarity to UK legislation change. I am in contact with colleagues in New York and Brussels in relation to standards harmonisation and it would be so sad to tell them that the UK has rescinded on its much praised recent incorporation of gender equality into the British Standards. Such a retrograde step. And going backwards compared with other western nations for example about 34 American states have now passed "potty parity" including New York state, and so we are going the opposite way of other advanced nations.

  If you want to know the true position of women in society today, just look at the queue for the toilet. This is one of the last unreformed areas of public life and policy.

  There is no doubt at the international level that the West is going backwards in many respects, whereas in contrast there has been a "restroom revolution" in the Far East. Japan is the centre of the restroom revolution. Standards as to geographical distribution of toilet provision are very high, and ratios of 2:1 in favour of women are to be found in terms of numbers of places to pee. (It is the exact opposite ratio-wise in the UK and this has been condoned indeed reinforced by years of discriminatory official BSI standards in the past). I would again ask you to read through the attached documents to give you an insight into preferred levels of provision and more enlightened policy making. In Far East public toilet location and distribution is shown on their town planning documents, and the frequency of toilet provision is much higher than here, at a minimum of every third of a mile in many locations. The calculations as to the levels of provision, distribution, size, intensity and frequency of demand across the day, capacity are complex mathematical matters but at present we do not begin to meet the required levels. I can discuss this further if required or suggest other members of the BS6465 toilet committee such as John Griggs of the BRE or Michelle Barkley Technical Director at Chapman Taylor Architects who can advise on how to work out the best levels of provision. Some areas may appear to need few public toilets as the local population is small but it only takes an influx of tourists and visitors to vastly swell the local demand, so basing provision on resident numbers alone is not ideal. At present local authorities pay for toilets in their area, but arguably everyone gets the benefit of other areas toilets too, in the same way that we drive on the roads or have the benefit of street lights, in other areas, without having to pay when crossing a local authority boundary. Numbers to be provided is strongly linked to amount of money to fund toilets, and a national level of funding and organisation would be ideal to make it fair for smaller authorities with large numbers of visitors.

  Whilst going on about women, let us also not forget other key factors such as the differences in age groups. We have approaching a third of the population in the elderly category, and they are greatly in need of public toilets, and cannot just wait or hang on. We heard terribly sad stories in the research about elderly widows not being able to get to the cemetery to tend their husband's graves because the local toilets had closed. Also many could not get down to the post office and local shops on the bus as it was too long to last without a loo. Many small local district and village centres do not even have any off street toilets in private premises let alone public toilets.

  Children are encouraged to go out and spend more time in the open air. But there are very few toilets left in public parks or recreation grounds. Children are not allowed into pubs under 18 on their own. Many young girls would never dream of going into premises where lager louts hang out. One of my pg students did her dissertation on the problems encountered by younger children (say under 10) with older children (teenagers especially boys) who commandeer all the play spaces, toilets, and open space areas preventing them for using the facilities.

  Reams has already been written and said about the problems of lack of baby changing and feeding facilties in loos, and within the built environment in general.

  As for disabled toilets we have probably done the subject to death over the years, but no-one listens. There is a need for accessible toilets for everyone, not just those in wheelchairs who officially count as disabled but all people who have trouble using the regular ordinary toilets, which are often down steps, with narrow doors and tiny cubicles. This particularly affects women who have to use the cubicle every time, as against men who just have to stand up at the urinal.

  So to conclude this first section, public toilets need to be provided in more locations, in greater abundance particularly for women who need to catch up with the men in terms of provision, and toilets need to be part of high-level urban and rural policy making. Sustainability policy at present is set at too high a level, and as stated public toilets are the missing link to save people's lives being restricted as to how far they can travel by the "bladder's leash".

  In my other work on cities we have argued that in order to create sustainable cities it is not enough to restrict the use of the motorcar, rather we need to work out WHY people are travelling in the first place, as dispersal of land uses and development generates the need to travel. The ideal city would be one of short distances, mixed land uses and many small centres, each with its own employment areas, post offices, shops, and of course public toilets.

  We want an access not a fortress approach to toilet design, the more people that can use them, the less problems will occur.

2.   Why provision has declined

  The implicit argument that toilet provision has declined because of vandalism, anti-social behaviour, drugs, lack of cleanliness is false. These are all results not causes of toilet policy neglect. As Japanese colleagues often say, you would not put an expensive computer on the pavement and just leave it there and expect it to be there when you came back. Likewise it is absolutely essential to have toilet attendants, regular cleaners, some measure of security (not just a CCTV camera with no-one at the other end). Building a public toilet, the initial capital investment is only about 40% of the total cost, rather you have to allow for cleaning, maintenance, attendants, security. Getting a toilet as part of planning gain under a S.1-6 agreement is a dismal solution as so many developers "hit and run" nobody is around to ensure that funding commitment to long term cleaning, maintenance etc will continue and so the new owners soon close the toilets (as they do with cre"ches, play area schemes and numerous other social benefits that are not enforced after completion).

  Public toilets should be available for the use of all citizens the general public. Frequency of use by all sorts of people in well lit visible areas will deter anti-social elements. We have suggested in terms of urban design principles that toilets should not be hidden away but put in central locations as elements of "public art" with pride of place where everyone can see what is going on. The BTA has suggested they might be located alongside Tourist information centres, and other public buildings so they are not desolate and isolated. Of course all this would require new build and we hope that that is the way ahead.

  Toilet provision has declined because once local authorities forget their public duty and sense of civic pride and public service they can quite freely close toilets because there is no mandatory requirement for them to keep them open. Furthermore there is no ring fenced funding to support their existence so they are a soft target, as soon as times get hard they close the loos. In reality it is a matter of priorities and politics as there is always money for all sorts of other discretionary, non-statutory facilities and public works, many of which are of little use or interest to the general public such as expensive public art installations, sports facilities only providing for young males, cultural building only providing for the elite, domes, wasteful foreign policy, gravy trains and so forth ad infinitum.| don't get me going. Meanwhile post offices, local swimming pools, public toilets, road surfaces, street lighting, policing, sewerage infrastructure and pensions are all in decline. We now have some of the lowest levels of public investment in the EU relative to other Northern European municipalities, and the lowest pensions in the whole of the EU, and of course no universal system of childcare (compare the ecoles maternelles in France), so we are no longer a Welfare State and have not been for a very long time now. We are no longer "splendid in our public ways" as it says in the hymn, no civic pride or social responsibility anymore.

  Overall I am very concerned that the emphasis in the questions is on "defence" rather than on "access" some toilet blocks are like mini-fortresses to keep the vandals out, but the result is that bona fide users have difficulty getting into the toilets., and creating a "crime free" building often raises the ante and gives a false impression that the area is more dangerous than it really is, thus putting people off even more from frequenting the area.

3.   Who should pay for public toilets?

  The cost of toilets is a vexed issue for to paraphrase Milton Friedman, there is no such thing as a free toilet. But we have arguably all already paid through our rates and taxes so why pay again at the point of delivery? There is no such thing as government money, it is all our money that has been entrusted to our rulers to use on our behalf.

  To run a good and comprehensive public toilet system costs a great deal of money, but so do all public services and facilities so why should toilets be picked out as the poor relation?

  It has been shown that increased public toilet provision is not a bottomless pit or a drain on resources but rather it increases the economic turnover of an area in terms of the business case (as shown by studies by the Association of Town Centre managers inter alia. As the Americans say, "Bathrooms mean business" better public toilets brings in more business, more tourists, more customers who can stay longer and spend more.

  A nation is judged by its toilets, it's the first thing that people notice about any new country. In the past in the age of civic pride there was no quibble about building toilets and for that matter libraries, museums, town halls etc, but that age has past. Admittedly in the past the Victorians created a very unequal level of provision in public toilets but at least they set the precedent of building loos. Nowadays we are in the middle, we fall between two stools. We do not have the custom of good public toilets being provided in cafes, railway stations, etc, for free as found in some countries (Belgium is my favourite country on this matter), but nor have we kept the tradition of municipally run on street toilets as exist in many Far East countries and are making a comeback in North America too. (I am often in contact with the [North] American Restroom Association on this). Those other Continental countries that do offer off street use of toilets in bars and cafes are not as wonderful as is often made out, many French cafe toilets are very grotty and one has to have a fight with the patron to use them. In Belgium apparently anyone has the right to knock on the door of a private house and ask to use the toilet in an emergency (seldom done though) and one can use the toilets in pubs and bars and cafes without having a row, indeed some are located with a separate entrance. Plus there is not the lager lout factor to contend with to such an extent which puts so many normal people off using pubs, in fact only about 10% of the population regularly go to pubs in any case.

  For hundreds of reasons people are very uneasy about using toilets that are off street in private premises and the cost of building and maintaining proper public toilets is more than gained back by increased prosperity, health, equality, sustainability.

  Payment systems on toilets are a huge problem too. They usually cost more to run than the money collected. They restrict access to anyone carrying shopping, luggage, anyone who is pregnant, large, and of course they are a huge problem for children and for families. Some of the turnstiles are so narrow (Paddington station is down steps and turnstile, what a problem for people with luggage, and it is the terminal for the Heathrow Express too). Lots of foreigners don't know what 20p is! I went ballistic when I found that the Brussels Midi station had installed a payment system creating a huge queue (so unlike them). 50p to use the loo by Westminster sends out a message that Britain has lost the plot!

  Automatic Public toilets are all pay toilets by their very nature. They are extremely unpopular particularly with women for a whole list of reasons (see my various articles). Many women see them as glorified urinals because of the inadequate space in them and the inconvenient seating arrangements! Some are getting better but there is a huge fear factor, of being locked in, plus uneasiness about exiting straight onto the street without being able to see who is out there. Environmentally they are huge users of water, and not at all ecological, and very expensive altogether. They only serve one customer at once and are no use for areas of high demand.

  To add insult to injury the mis-directed sense of equality is to make it legal to charge men as well as women under the revision of the 1936 Public Health Act! Some equality, equally bad for all! Presumably men are still free to urinate for free at those ghastly male-only street urinals, which should not have even been installed under the GED.

  If payment is used as a way of controlling who enters that is a joke, out filming with the BBC for one of our toilet documentaries we observed young men simply jumping over the turnstile system and nobody dared to stop them! At the bus station, where many old ladies come up on the National coach buses from the South West but they fumble to find the right change and really struggle.

  It is all a matter of priorities, as to "how do you want to live" and "what do you want to pay for", the government is very short-sighted in not funding public toilets. Indeed it is a vote catcher or loser, and it is always raised at local election level. Most people are pretty sick of the present government's wasteful approach to using "our money" and would welcome more attention being given to what the real, ordinary people are saying about public toilets. Mind you the other lot were never up to much either on the toilet front, but there was a cross party public toilet group (what happened to it?) which were very keen to promote these issues. People do not want grands projets they want local interventions that meet their most basic needs. If we are all going to be clobbered by sustainability, environmental taxes and road charging then the least the government can do is provide public toilets to accompany a return to public transport use. But there is no public transport of course in many areas outside of London so what can be done. Taxing ordinary people does not give them the power to build railway stations or create buses out of thin air! The public toilet issues is all part of a wider agenda about the decline of other public services including transport. Our society is more dangerous and the environment less well cared for because financial cuts have removed the toilet attendants from the loos, the park keepers from the parks, the police from the streets, and so there is no one to keep an eye on things anymore.

  Paying to go to the loo can be a major issue for those on low incomes, it is a form of indirect taxation for pensioners and the incontinent who need to go more often, and impractical and inappropriate for children, who may get a free bus pass but not a free toilet pass. I am alarmed if the disabled need to pay too. Many local authorities circumvented the requirements of the DDA by simply closing their toilets rather than bringing them up to DDA standards thus inconveniencing everyone. Clearly there needs to be independent, ring-fenced, central government funding on all this. The present state of local government finance, of course, needs to be looked at, as there is not a lack of money, rather it is a matter of how much central government is willing to give back to central government each year.

  Rolling out the reintroduction of payment systems for public toilets will be political suicide even worse than removing the 10p tax allowance. It will be especially resented when the government is giving away money hand over fist to other countries and wasting money on all sorts of other things which no-one wants, and giving money to rich middle class people who don't need it. My God, Kier Hardie must be turning in his grave. If you want to give money away give it to the poor people themselves both here and abroad not to their rulers. For example, over 40% of urban regeneration programme money goes to pay consultants not to those in need.

  I say all this because you cannot deal with toilets in isolation, it is all part of a wider problem in the public's mind. For some reason the government is blind and deaf to the toilet issue, which rings out very loud all over the country.

4.   Opening Hours and Other Accessibility and Availability Issues

  You cannot provide public toilets on the cheap, there are millions of people needing loos, including women, those with small children, children and teenagers themselves, the elderly, people with disabilities: not just a tiny minority.

  Maybe this issue is not taken seriously because it is not such a problem for able-bodied unencumbered men, who never have to queue and who have the pick of the use of toilets in pubs, clubs, walls, trees, street urinals and so forth. But for women it is still a very different experience, and a taboo in society. Of course all taboos are really a form of social control and bullying. There is a need for a urination revolution (like the sexual revolution) to "allow" people to talk freely about toilets. This is a very western, uptight, Anglo-Saxon, British, problem that we should grow out of.

  As for opening hours people need to reassurance that toilets are available when they need them. They need to be open from early morning for people in the rush hour who have had delayed journeys or stuck in traffic jams, of course all transport termini, stations, large car parks should have toilets as a matter of course. Closing them because of some spurious rubbish about "terrorism, or health and safety" is just an excuse to save money and does not serve the travelling public.

  They should be open until the evening especially for those shopping or going out in the early evening after work. Many nurses, night workers, shift workers, library users, church and meeting attenders want toilets on their way home and a male street urinal with a load of threatening yobos standing around is no help to anyone respectable male or female.

  In our Nuffield research which was on the more rural and provincial areas around Bristol and Somerset we found that many delivery men, mobile library attendants, bus drivers, postal workers, health carers and visitors wanted toilets in small villages and within the more spread out suburbs, especially at bus termini on the edge of town.

  The gender balance question has already been raised but no THE SITUATION IS STILL VERY UNEQUAL. There is a need for a retrospective refitting of public toilets to make the provision more equal for women. In New Zealand they took this as a human rights issue and declared that women having to queue for more than 3 minutes was an infringement of their human rights (you can queue for 30 minutes in some British toilets, whether they be theatre toilets, street toilets in bus stations and tourist areas etc).

  AT present women have less than half as much provision as men, and so just gaining equality would be wonderful. But in many countries now the provision is much higher at 2:1 because women take longer to use the loo for a range of sartorial, biological and functional reasons, not because they are lazy cows wasting everyone's time (as some respondents have suggested in previous research). Women have more functions than men, at any one time about a quarter of all women of childbearing age will be menstruating, whereas pregnant women, those at menopause and those with diabetes, and a range of other conditions will need to use the toilet more often. Women are also more likely to be accompanied by children, elderly relatives, luggage, shopping and frankly headaches and stomach aches!

  We are not talking about "just" the incontinent here, but in fact about a third of men over 50 have waterworks problems too. We found that many older men are very unhappy with urinals and some suffer from paruresis (maybe 10% according to American sources) that is they are piss-shy and cannot "go" in front of other men. So it's not that wonderful for men either but at least they have more facilities than women.

  As stated we have gone through all the previous British Standards on toilets and revised the tables mathematically to increase provision for women, indeed to simply make it equal.

  The question of shops, cafes etc being opened up for people to use "their" toilets is a fraught issue. As stated many of these premises has inadequate and inaccessible facilities to start with, particularly for women, and there are already queues for their customers let alone letting more people in. Shopkeepers tell us that they don't like being expected to clean up the sick and excreta when people aren't even buying anything. The toilets in M&S for women are usually very very limited, perhaps two cubicles if you are lucky and they are often up/down steps. Men don't realise this as they seldom use them. Large stores are only required to provide facilities because of the great work that was done in 1996 by earlier campaigners on the BS6465 committee and many other large stores have always been resentful about these requirements.

  As for who can use these off street toilets, even if it became law, there is the embarrassment factor even if no purchase is required, running the gauntlet of customers and serving staff. The poorly dressed, and those that look like they may be "trouble" and some black youth may encounter opposition even when they only want to go to the loo. A high caste Indian engineer colleague experienced this problem of "Oi, you where do you think you're going?" when he only wanted to use the loo and this really shocked and upset him as no-one had every spoken to him like that in India.

  Religious, teetotal groups, and various ethnic minority groups are unwilling to use toilet sin pubs and other licensed premises. Some will not go into premises that serve non halal (or for that matter non kosher) food such as pork (that includes bacon), or that sell beef burgers, (depending on the religion) such as is served such as fast food places, and also where alcohol is served, this is a big issue in the Midlands and some London boroughs other areas of concentration. Richmond and Greenwich are too white and too affluent to be a typical model. This is a serious issue for many who do not want their beliefs compromised by a secular, and unthinking government policy.

  As for tourism, I have already raised this issue, it is very important that the image of "Cool Britannia" is maintained in respect of public toilet provision, we are already the dirty man of Europe! Countries that used to have terrible hole in the ground loos are getting better, whereas we are going backwards.

  Talking of hole in the ground toilets, these can be very good if they are properly maintained, and are more hygienic in that you do not have to sit on the seat that was sat upon previously be a complete stranger (or on the spray of an unthinking male). Most of the world squats rather than sits, and not just Moslems (although they are about a billion people of course). Good public toilets would provide the option of sit or squat, with perhaps one cubicle adapted accordingly.

  Furthermore unisex toilets, where women and men are meant to share the same facilities is most unacceptable to many women because of the hygiene, modesty and personal safety factors. It is often seen as a solution by men to the queues in the Ladies, but they do not understand the problems. From a religious, (not just moslem) and modesty viewpoint it is unacceptable to mix with men in such an intimate setting (even sequentially in terms of Automatic Unisex toilets), and shared washing facilities where women get "touched up" can be particularly problematic. I may be ok for ladettes in a night club but not for the general population. "Mixing" as a solution always impacts more upon women, whether it be hospital wards, mental institutions failing schools, public toilets, swimming pools or showers. In the case of toilets the queues might be reduced simply because the women do not use the unisex toilets, and may not even go out to that area because there is no alternative. Why do women have to make do? We all pay as much taxes and rates as the men nowadays? Of course if you ask the men in charge of the toilets they don't see this as a problem but ask ordinary women and you will get a very different response.

  I am very concerned about the hygiene and cleaning regimes in public toilets, and increased use of off street pub toilets who increase the problems by reducing official control and pathogen control in "privatised premises" what with C-MRSA growth and lots of other community based pathogens that have now left the confines of the more familiar sites of hospital toilets. I have written extensively on these issues too but this may be alarmist to raise when we simply are fighting for more loos at this point in time.

5.   Conclusion

  In the final analysis, "all human life is there" toilets affect every aspect of our lives, and also are relevant to all aspects of government policy-making. In summary public toilet provision is necessary to the following factors:

    Sustainable cities

    Healthy communities

    Transport planning

    Spatial planning

    Accessibility

    Social Equality

    Gender mainstreaming

    Ethnic and religious equality

    Economic prosperity

    Toilet provision has major implications

    Social

    Economic

    Political

    Environmental

    Physical

  If we really had an equal society public toilets would be provided without question. It is not a matter just of money it is a matter of political priorities and social awareness.

  Let us not be ashamed among the nations of the world because we are so mean that the government won't even provide for its people's most basic needs, dignity and comfort.

DOCUMENTS ATTACHED TO ACCOMPANYING E-MAILS[21]

  I have provided a range of attached documents, carefully selected so as not to overwhelm you and including ones that have been cited in other DCLG toilet and gender committee work and by other respondents' memoranda. All you want to know about public toilets is in my book, Inclusive Urban Design: Public Toilets published by the Architectural Press, 2003, Elsevier, Oxford. I would also recommend The Accessible Toilet Resource which is the report of the recent EPSRC research with guidance and "toolkits" on accessible toilet design for all.

  2003, Greed, C, Inclusive Urban Design: Public Toilets (publishers Elsevier,Oxford, Architectural Press.

  2007, Hanson, J, Bichard, J and Greed, C (2007) The Accessible Toilet Resource Manual, London: University College London. Also available on CD.

  May 2002 User and Provider Perspectives on Public Toilet Provision, Report of the Nuffield Foundation funded research on public toilet provision, only available as a report, and sent to the committee. But not available as attached document.

  British Standards:

  BS6465 Sanitary Installation: Part 1: Code of Practice for the Design and Provision of Sanitary Facilities, British Standards Institute (also available Parts 2 and 3 (more technical) and Part 4 in production specifically on standards of provision for public toilets.

  Frequently mentioned Conference papers by C. Greed

  Public toilets: the need to provide compulsory provision

  The need to provide a strategic spatial planning approach to public toilet provision in Britain

  Taking Stock: An overview of public toilet provision and standards

  What would a non-sexist restroom be like? NYU Public Toilets Conference, New York

  (see Bathroom Programme, New York University conference.)

  Relevant Journal Articles by C.Greed

  (this is more academic material).

  2005, "Overcoming the factors inhibiting the mainstreaming of gender into spatial planing policy in the United Kingdom" Urban Studies Vol.42, No.4, p1-31.

  2006, "Institutional and conceptual barriers to the adoption of gender mainstreaming within spatial planning departments in England" Planning Theory and Practice, Vol 7, No.2.pp 127-140.

  2006, "The role of the public toilet: pathogen transmitter or health facilitator" in Building Services Engineering Research and Technology Journal (BSERT)", Vol.27, No.2, pp 127-140, Special issue, on "Research addressing cross-contamination and infection spread through building drainage and sanitation provision"

  2007, Bichard, J, Hanson, J, and Greed, C, "Please wash your hands", Senses and Society, Vol.2, No.3 pp 385-390

  2007, "A Place for Everyone?" Oxfam, a Regender Briefing paper (short item).

  Toilet Teaching notes

  Restroom Design Course, World Toilet Organisation, Singapore Summer School

  Macro level: Planning for a City-Wide Toilet Hierarchy

  Meso level: District level, toilet location issues

  Micro level: Toilet block design considerations

  (these are modules notes that contain the main public toilet principles for information)








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