Select Committee on Innovation, Universities and Skills Written Evidence


Memorandum 13

Submission from the Council of University Classical Departments

SUMMARY:

  CUCD argues that removing funding from ELQs (a) misunderstands the nature of an education in a particular discipline; (b) overlooks the role of fellow students in enhancing educational experience; (c) is financial misguided.

  1.  I write on behalf of the Council of University Classical Departments

  2.  We wish to offer three arguments to show that the decision to withdraw HEFCE funding from those doing ELQs is misguided.

  3.  (a)  Students read for degree courses in a very wide range of subjects. Those degree courses offer very particular training, not simply in terms of the data which their students handle but more particularly in the types of intellectual skills which are required to handle those data. Those doing degrees in English acquire skills in textual analysis quite different from the skills of textual analysis given by a degree in Philosophy or History. Some degrees, and Classics would be one of these, aim to provide a wide range of analytical skills—literary, philosophical, historical, visual. But while Classics graduates should be better placed to develop further their skills in any of these areas, they will not have such highly developed philosophical skills as those who have read a degree in Philosophy or such highly developed historical skills as those who read a degree in History.

  4.  All graduates find that in their careers after graduation they require skills and knowledge in addition to those primarily developed by their university first degree. In some cases these further skills and knowledge are provided by courses organised by their employer or can be acquired by independent study. But for many the most efficient and effective way of acquiring further skills and knowledge is to embark upon a further degree course, which has been designed to develop those skills. Such training can of course be either a "postgraduate" course or a second first degree, and it is foolish to apply differential criteria for funding, if one is serious about the importance of developing such skills and knowledge. Not to support such attempts by graduates the better to equip themselves for the wide ranging demands of their employment is to foster a workforce deficient in the skills and knowledge base required for effective and competitive operation. It makes a nonsense of the notion of lifelong learning on which there has rightly been much governmental emphasis. We can point to particular examples of students who have taken ELQ Classics degrees and proceeded to doctoral work thereafter and in at least one case (Dr Janett Morgan, RHUL) to a University Lectureship.

  5.  (b)  Students learn as much from each other as they learn from their teachers. The performance of a whole cohort of students can be transformed if they engage with one another in discussions of their academic work, and not simply engage, for the duration of lecture or class with one another. Those who already have study skills play a very large part in training those without with whom they have contact, and the enthusiasm of ELQ students, who are highly motivated, is infectious, bringing out the best in their teachers as well as in fellow learners.

  6.  (c)  The claim that it costs more to educate people for a second degree is simplistic. It only costs more if those who receive second degrees at an equal or lower level do not go on to enhance their salaries, and hence their tax payments. For the financial argument to fly it needs to be shown that those with second degrees of this sort fail, through subsequent higher earnings, to pay back the cost of those degrees.

December 2007






 
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