Select Committee on Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Minutes of Evidence


Memorandum submitted by the Independent Scientific Group on Cattle TB

  Thank you for your letter of 28 June inviting me to submit further evidence in the light of that given by the National Farmers' Union on 20 June 2007 and on other matters relating to the Final Report of the Independent Scientific Group on Cattle TB (ISG).

  You are, of course, aware that the ISG was dissolved on 30 June,[2] thus I am no longer Chairman of the Group. However, the content of this letter has been agreed by all former members and is being sent with their approval.

  I will deal with the Report first. On 23 May we sent Defra Ministers a near-to-final draft of our Final Report, comprising what was eventually published as Chapters 1 to 7 inclusive, 9 and 10. Between 2 and 18 May we had been sending various draft chapters to Defra officials for comment, and to enable them to fine-tune in advance any Ministerial briefing that they may have felt was appropriate.

  As a scientific document the report was based mainly on scientific publications, the majority of which were already in the public domain. All ISG publications were prepared in consultation with Defra policy and scientific advisors, the majority included Defra scientists as co-authors, and Ministers received copies of the papers at the time of submission to scientific journals.

  Draft copies of the Chairman's Overview (comprising the commentary of progress and list of acknowledgements) and the Summary of Scientific Findings (a brief summary of Chapter 10), were not seen, as far as I am aware, by Defra Ministers before an advance copy of the printed version was hand delivered to their respective offices on the morning of 15 June 2007.

  Having read the uncorrected transcript of the evidence given on 20 June 2007 I must say how very disappointed I am by some of the inappropriate and unfounded comments directed towards the ISG and our report, particularly those suggesting that the "...report has been slanted at the last moment..." (NFU response to question 202). Comments of this nature have no place in the public record, and I am grateful to your Chairman for providing Professor Rosie Woodroffe with an opportunity to respond to them at the time. I do of course support everything that Rosie said in evidence.

  But I would like to take this opportunity to add to that and to set out in a little more detail what was reported to Ministers in the intervening period between our early 2006 comments on Defra's badger culling consultation and the publication of our Final Report.

  On 24 April 2006 Christl Donnelly, Rosie Woodroffe and I met Defra Minister Ben Bradshaw. Defra officials were also present. A number of issues were discussed at that meeting, but I have set out below a number of the key points made by the ISG at the time which were relevant in particular to our position in relation to badger culling then, and which are relevant to our subsequent Final Report conclusions:

    —    There was widespread scientific agreement on the detrimental impacts of localised culling;

    —    To be effective, any cull would need to be delivered in a co-ordinated and efficient manner for a sustained period of time over a large area that was isolated by features such as major rivers, roads or coastline (to avoid the detrimental edge effect caused by badger immigration);

    —    By extrapolating from the RBCT results, Defra's Science Advisory Council had suggested that culling over an area of 300km2 might bring benefits, but we recommended that this might need to be a minimum, and that in our experience sustained and comprehensive coverage of such extensive areas would be difficult to achieve; and,

    —    In our opinion more could be achieved in terms of cattle TB control by focusing on measures other than badger culling, and that a quick reduction in TB herd incidence could be achieved by focusing on the cattle element.

  A copy of a note of this meeting, prepared at the time by the ISG Secretariat and circulated to ISG members, is attached for information and clarity (Annex A). However, to ensure that the proper information release protocols are maintained and, most importantly, personal security is protected, the names of the Defra policy officials present have been removed.

  On 29 November 2006 I attended a further meeting with Ben Bradshaw. The main and relevant points I made at that meeting were:

    —    Localised culling made things worse and proactive culling over 100km2 had effectively a zero impact;

    —    If a badger culling policy was to have a positive effect on reducing cattle tuberculosis, such culling would have to be on a large scale, far larger than in the RBCT, and done systematically involving professional expertise, for a long time. Elimination or near elimination of badgers could maximise the impact of culling;

    —    The debate with the NFU and veterinary profession should be shifted away from badger culling to improved cattle controls; and,

    —    In response to comments from Defra officials that there could be a modest gain in tuberculosis control if a culled area was as large as 300km2, I said there would be winners and losers, but extrapolation of trial data suggested that overall there would only be modest positive gains. Further, I emphasised that if culling was conducted in a patchwork and inconsistent way it was likely to make matters worse.

  A copy of a note of this meeting, prepared at the time by the ISG Secretariat and circulated to ISG members, is attached (Annex B). In the near future this will be made available as a public document, as part of the archiving and public release of the ISG's papers but, for the same reasons given above, the names of the Defra policy officials present have been removed from this copy.

  There was one further meeting, held on 1 February 2007 when David Miliband and Ben Bradshaw met Christl Donnelly and me. This was a private meeting and no formal note was taken by the ISG. We repeated the discussion previously held with Mr Bradshaw at the November 2006 meeting, taking the opportunity to provide an update of research progress. In the main we discussed two issues: the value and feasibility of a large scale cull over an area of 300 km2, and the option for cattle measures as the focus for future bovine TB control.

  It is clear that our views and advice on the impact of badger culling, as conducted in the Randomised Badger Culling Trial, have been consistent ever since data became available on the effects of proactive culling. These views consolidated as more ecological and epidemiological data became available for analysis and some economic evaluation was undertaken, providing further insights that allowed extrapolation to alternative forms of culling. Nevertheless, the foregoing evidence confirms that at no time since relevant data became available has the ISG changed its opinion—or the tone of its advice to Ministers—concerning the impact badger culling would have on bovine TB incidence, and the role that such culling could play in bovine TB control.

  Finally, I remain to be convinced that the comments about the ISG and their conclusions can be fully and satisfactorily addressed through correspondence alone. I am therefore grateful for the opportunity kindly offered to me to attend a further evidence session on 24 October 2007; this will enable me to publicly refute the 20 June allegations and to elaborate on the detail in this written evidence.

Professor John Bourne CBE

July 2007




2   The Independent Scientific Group on Cattle TB was formally dissolved on 30 June 2007. Back


 
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