Formal minutes
Wednesday
7 November 2007
Members present:
Mike Gapes, in the Chair
| Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
Mr John Horam
Mr Eric Illsley
Mr Paul Keetch
| | Andrew Mackinlay
Mr Greg Pope
Sir John Stanley
Ms Gisela Stuart
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The Committee deliberated.
Draft Report (Global Security: Russia), proposed by the
Chairman, brought up and read.
Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be read a second
time, paragraph by paragraph.
Paragraphs 1 to 12 read and agreed to.
Paragraph 13 read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraph 14 read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 15 to 18 read and agreed to.
Paragraph 19 read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 20 read and agreed to.
Paragraph 21 read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraph 22 read and agreed to.
A paragraph (now paragraph 23) brought up, read the first and
second time, and inserted.
Paragraphs 23 to 29 (now paragraphs 24 to 30) read and agreed
to.
A paragraph (now paragraph 31) brought up, read the first and
second time, and inserted.
Paragraph 30 (now paragraph 32) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraph 31 (now paragraph 33) read and agreed to.
Paragraph 32 (now paragraph 34) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 33 to 67 (now paragraphs 35 to 69) read and agreed
to.
Paragraph 68 (now paragraph 70) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 69 to 84 (now paragraphs 71 to 86) read and agreed
to.
Paragraph 85 (now paragraph 87) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraph 86 (now paragraph 88) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraph 87 (now paragraph 89) read and agreed to.
Paragraph 88 (now paragraph 90) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 89 to 91 (now paragraphs 91 to 93) read and agreed
to.
Paragraph 92 read.
Amendment proposed, to leave out line 1 to "The FSB"
in line 4.—(Andrew Mackinlay.)
Question put, That the Amendment be made.
The Committee divided
Ayes, 1
Andrew Mackinlay
| | Noes, 4
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
Mr John Horam
Mr Paul Keetch
Mr Greg Pope
|
Another Amendment proposed, in line 4, after "equipment."
to insert the words, "This is of course a
preposterous suggestion.".—(Andrew Mackinlay.)
Question put, That the Amendment be made.
The Committee divided
Ayes, 1
Andrew Mackinlay
| | Noes, 4
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
Mr John Horam
Mr Paul Keetch
Mr Greg Pope
|
Paragraph agreed to (now paragraph 94).
Paragraphs 93 to 94 (now paragraphs 95 to 96) read and agreed
to.
Paragraph 95 (now paragraph 97) read, amended and agreed to.
A paragraph—(Andrew Mackinlay)—brought up and
read, as follows:
"There remain disquieting questions as to how some of these
Russia émigrés acquired enormous wealth, in Russia,
during the relatively short time since the collapse of the Soviet
Union and the introduction of some elements of a "market
economy" within Russia. We think the Government should do
more to assuage disquiet about the character of some of the high
profile and wealthy émigrés, particularly when their
public criticism and support for organisations calling for regime
change in Russia may not be in the overall best interests of the
UK, when endeavouring to foster improved bilateral relations with
Russia."—(Andrew Mackinlay)
Question put, That the paragraph be read a second time.
The Committee divided
Ayes, 1
Andrew Mackinlay
Mr Paul Keetch
| | Noes, 4
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
Mr Greg Pope
Sir John Stanley
|
Paragraphs 96 to 101 (now paragraphs 98 to 103) read and agreed
to.
A paragraph (now paragraph 104) brought up, read the first and
second time, and inserted.
Paragraphs 102 to 105 (now paragraphs 105 to 108) read and agreed
to.
A paragraph (now paragraph 109) brought up, read the first and
second time, and inserted.
Paragraphs 106 to 119 (now paragraphs 110 to 123) read and agreed
to.
Paragraph 120 read.
Amendment proposed, to leave out line 1 to "We recommend"
in line 2 and insert the words, "The
Government considers it sent a strong signal regarding Russia's
refusal to extradite Andrey Lugovoy. However, we doubt if the
Government's actions caused great anxiety within the Kremlin's
walls. The Government's actions may have been headline grabbing
in the UK but it is doubtful if they caused any grave concern
within Russia's government. On the other hand, we question whether
or not the measures advanced the UK's strategic objective of improving
bilateral relations with Russia.".—(Andrew Mackinlay.)
Question put, That the Amendment be made.
The Committee divided
Ayes, 1
Andrew Mackinlay
| | Noes, 4
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
Mr Eric Illsley
Mr Paul Keetch
Sir John Stanley
|
Another Amendment proposed, in line 6, after the word "nationals"
to insert the words, "and the
inability of the UK to meet Russia's requests for the extradition
of people it wishes to appear before its courts in Russia".—(Andrew
Mackinlay.)
Question put, That the Amendment be made.
The Committee divided
Ayes, 2
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
Andrew Mackinlay
| | Noes, 3
Mr Eric Illsley
Mr Paul Keetch
Sir John Stanley
|
Paragraph agreed to (now paragraph 124).
Paragraphs 121 to 126 (now paragraphs 125 to 130) read and agreed
to.
Paragraph 127 (now paragraph 131) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 128 to 132 (now paragraphs 132 to 136) read and agreed
to.
Paragraph 133 (now paragraph 137) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 134 to 179 (now paragraphs 138 to 183) read and agreed
to.
Paragraph 180 (now paragraph 184) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 181 to 203 (now paragraphs 185 to 207) read and agreed
to.
Paragraph 204 (now paragraph 208) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 205 to 210 (now paragraphs 209 to 214) read and agreed
to.
Paragraph 211 (now paragraph 215) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 212 to 222 (now paragraphs 216 to 226) read and agreed
to.
Paragraph 223 read.
Amendment proposed, in line 20, at the end to insert the words,
"We consider Mr Clark's view to be
simplistic if not seriously flawed. The political reality in any
event is that the FCO should be encouraged in its endeavour of
seeking the opening of negotiations on an EU-Russia PCA successor
agreement.".—(Andrew Mackinlay.)
Question put, That the Amendment be made.
The Committee divided
Ayes, 1
Andrew Mackinlay
| | Noes, 4
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
Mr Eric Illsley
Mr Paul Keetch
Sir John Stanley
|
Paragraph agreed to (now paragraph 227).
Paragraphs 224 to 239 (now paragraphs 228 to 243) read and agreed
to.
Paragraph 240 (now paragraph 244) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 241 to 242 (now paragraphs 245 to 246) read and agreed
to.
Paragraph 243 (now paragraph 247) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 244 to 246 (now paragraphs 248 to 250) read and agreed
to.
A paragraph (now paragraph 251) brought up, read the first and
second time, and inserted.
Paragraphs 247 to 254 (now paragraphs 252 to 259) read and agreed
to.
Paragraph 255 (now paragraph 260) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 256 to 257 (now paragraphs 261 to 262) read and agreed
to.
A paragraph (now paragraph 263) brought up, read the first and
second time, and inserted.
Paragraph 258 read.
Amendments made.
Another Amendment proposed, in line 6, to leave out from "sidelined."
to the word "It" in line 7.—(Andrew Mackinlay.)
Question put, That the Amendment be made.
The Committee divided
Ayes, 1
Andrew Mackinlay
| | Noes, 4
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
Mr Eric Illsley
Sir John Stanley
|
An Amendment made.
Paragraph, as amended, agreed to (now paragraph 264).
Paragraphs 259 to 283 (now paragraphs 265 to 289) read and agreed
to.
Paragraph 284 (now paragraph 290) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 285 to 288 (now paragraphs 291 to 294) read and agreed
to.
Paragraph 289 (now paragraph 295) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 290 to 294 (now paragraphs 296 to 300) read and agreed
to.
Paragraph 295 read.
Amendment proposed, in line 11, at the end to insert the words
"This must be a prerequisite for
Georgia's accession to NATO.".—(Andrew Mackinlay.)
Question put, That the Amendment be made.
The Committee divided
Ayes, 1
Andrew Mackinlay
| | Noes, 2
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
Sir John Stanley
|
Another Amendment proposed, in line 11, at the end to insert the
words "However, we also
conclude that the Government should make it clear that Russia
does not have a veto on Georgia's possible accession to NATO.".—(Sir
John Stanley.)
Question put, That the Amendment be made.
The Committee divided
Ayes, 1
Sir John Stanley
| | Noes, 2
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
Andrew Mackinlay
|
Paragraph agreed to (now paragraph 301).
Paragraphs 296 to 311 (now paragraphs 302 to 317) read and agreed
to.
Paragraph 312 (now paragraph 318) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 313 to 321 (now paragraphs 319 to 327) read and agreed
to.
Paragraph 322 (now paragraph 328) read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraphs 323 to 336 (now paragraphs 329 to 342) read and agreed
to.
Resolved, That the Report, as amended, be the Second Report
of the Committee to the House.
Ordered, That the Chairman make the Report to the House.
Ordered, That embargoed copies of the Report be made available,
in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order No. 134.
Written evidence was ordered to be reported to the House for printing
with the Report.
The Committee further deliberated.
[Adjourned till Wednesday 21 November at 2.00 pm.
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