House of Commons - Members Estimate Committee Written Evidence


10.  EXPENSES ARRANGEMENTS IN OTHER ORGANISATIONS

PURPOSE

  1.  This note is an interim report on expenses arrangements in other organisations. It is provided as background information to support, or in some cases refute, generalised comments that "in the private sector they ..." or "in the public sector they ...". The note is based on interviews and documentation and focuses on travel and subsistence (ie payments to meet daily or overnight costs away from the main place of work). Some people and organisations wanted to remain anonymous and this request has been respected in this note. We are continuing to explore arrangements in other organisations to provide a wider picture.

SUMMARY

  2.  The following provides a summary of the main points, for the public and private sectors. More detailed notes are provided in the annex.

Public sector

    —  There is no single arrangement in the civil service; this disappeared when pay and grading was devolved in the 1980s. In some cases (eg Foreign and Commonwealth Office and Ministry of Defence), payment is only made on the basis of actuals within upper limits, with receipts expected in all cases. In others (eg Department of Health) staff can claim a flat rate without receipts, the amount varying depending on the length of time out of the office. In only one case so far (again, Department of Health), staff above grade 7 can self-authorise but mostly this is not permitted. In other cases claims are checked by a line manager or other authorising officer. Examples of arrangements are included in the annex.

    —  The information provided for an NHS Foundation Trust, County Council and Police Authority shows that receipts are required for all claims, including for executive and non-executive directors, and that self-authorisation is not allowed. There are minor differences between organisations in what can be claimed, some allowing taxis and alcohol with meals, for example, others not.

    —  All those explored so far use the HMRC rates for mileage, as currently used by the House of Commons.

Private sector

    —  Information provided by a membership organisation representing businesses indicates that, although there may be minor variations in what can be claimed within their member organisations, the process is pretty standard: receipts are required, which are checked and approved by someone else, including at director level.

    —  The arrangements for the representative body itself, which is run by members for members, and is funded out of membership subscriptions, are that salaried staff can claim reimbursement for reasonable expenses incurred, receipts are always required and self-authorisation is not allowed, even at senior levels.

    —  The business members who act as volunteers to help run the organisation can claim an attendance allowance for meetings actually attended (£80 per day) and expenses for travel and subsistence. Receipts are required and are checked and authorised by the finance department.

CONCLUSION3.  In general, organisations have been wary of providing evidence, especially those in the private sector. It is not possible to draw firm conclusions from the material researched so far, although it does begins to suggest that it is now pretty standard to require receipts for all travel and subsistence claims in the private sector, with flat rates now certainly no longer being standard in the public sector. The number of organisations reviewed is small so far and others will continue to be researched with a further report compiled.

  4.  Other sorts of expenses exist in the private sector, such as entertaining clients. We have not found it easy to explore this area and arguably it is not relevant. But oversight exists even at senior levels and a reasonableness test applies.

Annex A

INFORMATION ON EXPENSES ARRANGEMENTS IN OTHER ORGANISATIONS

  1.  For the three types of organisation within the individual's experience, discussions were held about:

    —  What could be claimed.

    —  How claims were made.

    —  Whether checks were carried out.

    —  Rules versus reality.

County Council

  2.  For many years Councillors had claimed an hourly rate for attending meetings and travelling time and had also claimed for mileage at rates which were set nationally. About 12-15 years ago, legislation was introduced which allowed Councils to pay Councillors a Basic Allowance (eg £5,000 per annum) which covered attendance at meetings, time for reading Council papers and attending to constituency work. The allowance also covered the cost of telephone calls and sending letters on Council business. In addition Special Responsibility Allowances could be paid to leading members (eg the Leader and Committee Chairmen) to cover their additional responsibilities. Councillors had a Common Room where they could meet and have coffee and some limited secretarial support was available, mainly for the senior members.

  3.  Councillors and directors could claim for mileage, train fares, parking and hotel accommodation. Claims by councillors were checked by the committee secretariat, who knew which meetings had been attended. Claims by directors were checked by the Chief Executive, and claims by the Chief Executive were checked by another director. There was no self-authorisation. In all cases claims were checked to see whether the type of expense and amount claimed were reasonable and appropriate and that the necessary evidence had been provided.

  4.  Other than for mileage (for which the rate was the standard HMRC rate), claims were made on the basis of actual costs incurred and receipts were required for all items. There was no specified limit, for example for hotels, but it was understood that costs should be modest and levels could be challenged. For overnight stays, claim could only be made for accommodation and meals, but not for items bought from the minibar, video charges, or wine with the meal.

  5.  Class of travel was changed from first class to standard class. An exception could be made if a group was travelling together and needed to work/discuss.

  6.  Disputed claims were brought to the attention of the Chief Executive, who would decide whether or not to approve them.

  7.  As a result of one routine audit check, a Member was found to have claimed, on a number of occasions, for lunch and travel twice for the same day (he had been attending meetings of one Council in the morning and meetings of a different Council in the afternoon in the same town). He was interviewed by the Chief Executive, which resulted in his resignation.

POLICE AUTHORITY

  8.  Similar rules applied to Police Authority members, which included local authority members, independent members and magistrates. In addition to claiming expenses for travel and meals (based on actuals), members were paid an allowance, as for Councils, to cover time spent reading papers, attending meetings etc. In one case, a magistrate member had been given paid time off to attend meetings and so to avoid him being paid twice (ie once by his employer and once through the Authority's allowances), agreement was reached with his employer about him taking some unpaid time for his Authority duties and then being able to claim the Authority's allowance.

  9.  Members could claim the cost of overnight stays, if required, on the basis of actuals within an upper limit.

  10.  County Councillors and members of the Police Authority were loaned computers and given consumables for printing committee papers. Computers remained the property of the authority and had to be returned on departure.

  11.  In both organisations, taxis were only used exceptionally; members were expected to use public transport.

HOSPITAL NHS FOUNDATION TRUST

  12.  Non-executive directors receive a fee, or annual allowance, for carrying out the role. For some Trusts this is set nationally but for Foundation Trusts they can set their own figure through an independent Board of Governors representing the community (which includes representatives of the local authority, primary care trust, local residents), but based on guidance on what is paid elsewhere.. This might be in the region of £40,000 for the Chairman and £12,000 for others. It is in effect an attendance allowance although no check is made on actual attendance.

  13.  In addition to the allowances, non-executives can claim travel from home to the hospital (train or mileage), and for attending meetings or conferences away from the Hospital. Free parking is provided at the Hospital but meals are paid for ( at the discounted staff rate). Mileage had formerly been 44p but is now based on the HMRC rate of 40p. If overnight stays are required for meetings or training courses, these are generally booked and paid for the by hospital. If for any reason flights are necessary, these are also booked by the hospital.

  14.  Claims are checked by the Trust Board secretary, who knows which meetings have been attended. Claims by employed executives are checked by the Chief Executive and the Chief Executive's claims are checked by the Chairman.

  15.  Reality and the rules are closely aligned. Any exceptions are sorted out individually, and are agreed on a once-off basis.

Note of a meeting with a senior employee of a business association March 2008

  1.  The discussion covered:

    —  What could be claimed.

    —  How claims were made.

    —  Whether checks were carried out.

    —  Rules versus reality.

  2.  The association represents over 200,000 companies and entrepreneurs. It is run by a combination of paid staff and volunteers from the business members. The latter receive an attendance allowance for meetings attended (£90 per day). They can claim expenses for travel and subsistence as follows:

  3.   Travel: HMRC rates for mileage; train based on cheapest fare (first class allowed if demonstrably cheaper than standard fare at time of booking); air travel—standard class; no family travel; can claim station and airport parking; congestion charge generally excluded although there are some exceptions. Receipts are required for all journeys other than by car, for which the claimant must provide details of journey against which to verify mileage claimed. Taxis are allowed although overuse is discouraged and may be challenged. Airmiles can be retained for personal use.

  4.   Accommodation: London, Brussels and similar overseas cities, up to £100; elsewhere up to £75. Receipts required.

  5.   Subsistence: maximum rates apply: £5-£15 for 5-10 hours away from home/office; £10-£30 for over 10 hours away from home/office. Receipts are required (credit/debit card receipt not acceptable), but where these are difficult to obtain, a maximum of £5 for any one meal can be claimed without a receipt for 5-10 hours away and £10 for over 10 hours away

  6.   Authorisation: self-authorisation is not allowed. Claims received later than 3 months of the expense being incurred may not paid. Claims are returned if the forms are not completed correctly and if the relevant evidence is either not attached or does not tally.

  7.  The same rules for travel and subsistence apply to the organisation's paid employees, with travel being booked by an agency rather than personally, to achieve best price.

  8.  The organisation has offices around the country. Payment of office equipment is handled centrally, and details held on an asset register. A bar-coded asset label is sent to the regional office for attaching to the item. Random audits are conducted to check that equipment is in the office for which it was purchased.

  9.  In terms of sanction, this can ultimately be dismissal at both the paid staff and volunteer level

  10.  The organisation confirmed that these basic rules applied across their member businesses, with minor variations only in what can be claimed rather than the process. Receipts were required and self-authorisation was rare. Petty cash was often an area of close attention, with all expenditure requiring receipts. It was often managed at senior levels to send the message that the organisation took the whole issue of expenditure at whatever level seriously.

CIVIL SERVICE

Department of Health

  Day subsistence: £5 for 5 hours out of the office, flat rate.

  Night subsistence: hotels are booked centrally so can rarely be claimed for. £20.50 overnight subsistence rate for meals.

  Grade 7 and above self-certify claims.

Foreign Commonwealth Office

  Subsistence and rates of night subsistence in the UK (for all staff)

  Bed and Breakfast ceiling (receipts required): inner London £120, elsewhere £ 80

  Residual Subsistence (London & Elsewhere):
LunchActuals up to £5
DinnerActuals up to £20
Personal expenditure£3
TravelActuals


UK Rates of Day Subsistence (all staff from 1 April 2001):

More than 5 hoursActuals up to £ 5
More than 10 hoursActuals up to £10



Ministry of Defence

  Subsistence rates: do not pay Day Subsistence Allowance or an overnight allowance for meals. Instead pay actual receipted costs of necessary additional expenditure for subsistence incurred during the day, or for evening meals, where appropriate.

  Incidental expenses allowance: £5 in the UK is still payable where employees have to stay overnight.

Crown Prosecution Service

  UK Rates of Day Subsistence

  5-10 hours absence—up to £4.50 subject to the provision of receipts

  10-12 hours absence—up to £9.75 subject to the provision of receipts

  Over 12 hours absence—up to £13.55 subject to the provision of receipts

  Subsistence and rates for overnight absences:

  Hotel—actuals within a specified ceiling depending on which town/city, for bed and breakfast.

  24hr meal allowance (ie dinner and lunch): Flat rate—£21 plus the appropriate amount of day subsistence must be deducted if a meal is provided by the host during the 24 hour period.

  Personal Expenses Allowance: Personal incidental allowance £5

Department of Works and Pensions

  Day Subsistence allowances:

    (i)  More than 5 hours all grades £ 4.75 at least one meal purchased

    (ii)  More than 10 hours all grades £ 9.30 at least two meals purchased

  Overnight stays:

  The actual cost of bed and breakfast will be reimbursed.

  In addition an allowance will be paid to cover meals: all locations £21.00

  Personal or incidental expenses allowance: £5 per night





 
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