Select Committee on Scottish Affairs Minutes of Evidence


Further memorandum submitted by Professor John Veit-Wilson, University of Newcastle upon Tyne

  Further to my previous written submission to the Committee on this topic, I should like to add the following three points which in my experience often need clarification in discussions on poverty.

1.  DISTINGUISHING THE CAUSES, CONDITIONS AND CONSEQUENCES OF POVERTY

  We are often told that social conditions such as family breakdown, lone parenthood, low educational qualifications and occupational skills, unemployment and old age are causes of poverty. But a moment's thought about the fact that these personal conditions are found throughout society, including among the very richest people, shows that it is not these conditions that cause poverty, since one can buy one's way out of their associated consequences if one has enough money. The same applies if one lives in sparsely populated areas such as Scotland: rich people live there, too, without suffering the problems that many submissions again report. This emphasises that it is lack of sufficient money resources in our marketised society that is the condition of poverty, and the causes are pay or benefits too low to enable one to live a decent participatory life.

  The first problem is then not altering people's behaviour but ensuring that they have incomes sufficient to enable them to enjoy human dignity, a decent level of living and social participation. If they then fail to do so, that is the time to examine the reasons such as family breakdown, but only if it is essential, keeping in mind that the behaviour of better-off people is not examined.

2.  CHANGING PEOPLE OR THEIR ENVIRONMENT

  Some people talk about policies against poverty as if they were a matter of altering the characteristics of the people who are poor, when a more effective way may be altering the characteristics of the geographical, social or economic environment in which they experience poverty. The higher costs of rural life are examples.

  This is also important if governments want to reduce the disrespect which people in poverty receive, a form of social exclusion. It is better to avoid measures such as means-tests which increase the risks of people being individually identified as "poor", instead of as the citizens they are.

  In this context, objectors to income maintenance policies which appear to benefit all citizens, even those "who don't need them", should keep in mind that all political parties accept fiscal welfare expenditure as unproblematic, even though tax allowances go to people with the highest incomes and are in fact worth even more to them than to people with lower ones. If the so-called universal benefits such as tax allowances or Child Benefit are more effective in targeting, and more efficient in administration, than are means-tested benefits which people find demeaning, then they should be preferred.

3.  THE CENTRALITY OF ADEQUATE INCOMES IN OUR MARKETISED SOCIETY

  How much is enough? When asked to explain benefit levels which are demonstrably not enough to live on decently, Government officials have for decades offered this response:

    There is no accepted single research method that can be used to calculate a minimum income standard for all families. What people need to live on varies greatly depending on their needs and a range of factors. The Government therefore believes that it is not possible to produce a single figure showing an adequate income for all families. [Treasury letter, Stephen Timms MP to Sandra Osborne MP, 30.10.06]

  While each of these sentences may be literally correct, the implication that governmental minimum income standards cannot be discovered by social science research is misleading. Without going into technicalities, I would remind the Committee that the [then] Social Security Select Committee examined these issues in its enquiry into Integrated Child Credit in 2000, to which I was invited to give both written and oral evidence. That Committee recommended that the Government "fund a variety of research by different social scientists into the levels of income which are sufficient to keep families with children out of poverty", and that it "convenes an ongoing working party involving policy makers, academics and other interested parties to assist it to devise publicly acceptable measures of the levels of income needed to avoid poverty" [Second Report, 2001, HC72, paras 24-25]. In fact, the Joseph Rowntree Foundation is currently sponsoring a very large research project on this topic. The EU recommends that member states set income standards for inclusion [92/441/EEC, 1992] and my research [1998] showed that seven European countries were doing so.

  It is also relevant to note that, as long ago as 1965, the National Assistance Board carried out an in-house study to review the adequacy of its benefits [the Beard and Windsor Reports on the NAB Scale Rates, unpublished]. Its officials had no difficulty in using a combination of different methods to find a defensible basis for adequate benefits.

  Setting income adequacy standards and using them to guide minimum wage and benefit rates is an essential precondition if poverty is to be eliminated in Scotland and the rest of the UK. I hope the Scottish Affairs committee will recommend such action, as the Social Security Committee did six years ago.

Professor John Veit-Wilson

University of Newcastle upon Tyne

15 January 2007





 
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