Select Committee on Transport Minutes of Evidence


Examination of Witnesses (Questions 234-239)

MR PAUL PLUMMER, MS BARBARA BARNES, MS LINDSAY DURHAM AND MR GRAHAM SMITH

6 FEBRUARY 2008

  Q234 Chairman: Good afternoon to you. You are all most warmly welcome. Will you identify yourselves for the record, please, starting on my left.

  Ms Durham: I am Lindsay Durham. I work for Freightliner.

  Mr Smith: Graham Smith, Planning Director, English, Welsh and Scottish Railway.

  Mr Plummer: Paul Plummer, Director of Planning and Regulation at Network Rail.

  Ms Barnes: Barbara Barnes, Head of Customer Service, Network Rail.

  Q235  Chairman: Thank you. Does anybody have anything they want to say briefly before we begin?

  Mr Smith: Yes. This examination is a focus on rail freight and rail freight has been one of the success stories of the last twelve years of government policy and private sector involvement. It has grown by 70% and now has an increased market share, 12%, greater for longer distance. The opportunity for rail freight growth is significant. We have not yet seen, I think, a major modal shift from road to rail, but the combination of Government's and Network Rail's focus on the infrastructure and the operators investing in rolling stock, equipment and their resources, when combined with the environmental benefit of freight on rail, means that we have a strong and very positive future.

  Q236  Chairman: So are you saying that the current arrangements give us a potential benefit to rail freight transport on a commercially viable basis?

  Mr Smith: Rail freight is certainly commercially viable. At the time of privatisation the infrastructure was with Railtrack. The freight operating companies were sold outright, not as franchises. There was significant private investment in locomotives, wagons and terminals. We believe that combination does work and we are particularly pleased to see that Government now recognises the need for increased capacity on the network and is earmarking, albeit a comparatively small sum in railway terms, £200 million to develop a strategic freight network on the UK network in Control Period 4, from 2009—2014.

  Q237  Graham Stringer: You said in your introductory remarks that freight on the railways has grown by 70% over the period of this Government. Exactly ten years ago we had EWS here in a rail inquiry and they told us there was going to be a 300% growth. I remember the figure precisely. What has gone wrong?

  Mr Smith: That was a statement by the then Chief Executive, Mr Burkhardt, who had identified that at that point rail freight had an 8% market share and had anticipated significant growth in bulk commodities, inter-modal traffic and in traffic through the Channel Tunnel. The issues with the Channel Tunnel are well-recorded. We may revisit them today. Like the rest of the industry, we faced a crisis of confidence following the collapse of Railtrack, which actually saw rail freight volumes decline. But we are now seeing that growth again and I believe that 70% growth to date and an expectation from all parts of the industry that in tonne miles terms you will have a 50% growth on today's base by 2014 and a doubling in the longer term. Whilst Mr Burkhardt's forecast has not been met, there is significant growth ahead.

  Q238  Graham Stringer: What I am not clear about from that answer is, was the projection then reasonable and it has been knocked off course because you do not have the access you would like to the Channel Tunnel and Railtrack were a disaster, or was it an unrealistic estimate?

  Mr Smith: It was an estimate based on a number of things relating to fuel prices, access charges, planning permissions for terminals all going together. It was a high side forecast. It could have been achieved, I think, if all policy matters had come together. They did not. These things tend not to. I think from where we are today, though, that looking for a doubling in the longer term following 70% growth is perfectly achievable.

  Q239  Mrs Ellman: Do you agree with the Government and its view that freight is essentially the business of the private sector?

  Ms Durham: Yes, we do think it is essentially the private sector. I think customers want to make their own choices as to which port they go to, which operator they use.


 
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