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House of Commons

Tuesday 24 February 2009

Public Bill Committee Proceedings

Policing and Crime Bill

[Thirteenth and Fourteenth Sittings]

Mr Vernon Coaker

That the Order of the Committee of 27 January be amended as follows—

(a)
in paragraph (1)(h), after ‘9.00 am’ insert ‘and 1.00 pm’.

(b)
in pargraph (4) leave out ‘10.25 am’ and insert ‘4.00 pm’.

Agreed to

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  96

Clause  36,  page  27,  line  10,  leave out from ‘or’ to the end of line 15.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  97

Clause  36,  page  27,  line  18,  at end insert ‘and that use of such power is

proportionate’.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  98

Clause  36,  page  27,  line  25,  leave out ‘the person has benefited’ amd insert ‘the

arrested person has benefited financially’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  156

Clause  36,  page  27,  line  27,  leave out ‘property held by the person’ and insert

‘realisable property’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  157

Clause  36,  page  27,  line  35,  leave out ‘property held by the person’ and insert

‘realisable property’.

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Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  158

Clause  36,  page  27,  line  42,  leave out ‘property held by the defendant’ and insert

‘realisable property’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  159

Clause  36,  page  28,  line  4,  leave out ‘property held by the defendant’ and insert

‘realisable property’.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  99

Clause  36,  page  28,  line  8,  leave out ‘or the officer believes that such an application

is to be made’.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  100

Clause  36,  page  28,  line  14,  leave out ‘or the officer believes that such an

application is to be made’.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  101

Clause  36,  page  28,  line  22,  leave out ‘or the officer believes that such an

application is to be made’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  160

Clause  36,  page  28,  line  36,  at end insert—

‘(12)
In relation to the first or second condition section 77(9) has effect as if

proceedings for the offence had been started against the defendant when the

investigation was started.’.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  102

Clause  36,  page  28,  line  39,  leave out ‘by the defendant’ and insert ‘by the person

arrested in the case of a situation satisfying the first or second condition referred to in

Clause 47B or the defendant in any other case’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  161

Clause  36,  page  28,  line  39,  leave out ‘free property held by the defendant’ and

insert ‘realisable property’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  162

Clause  36,  page  29,  line  10,  at end insert—

‘(4A)
In relation to realisable property which is free property held by the recipient of a

tainted gift, references in subsection (4) to the defendant are to be read as

references to the recipient of that gift.’.

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James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  103

Clause  36,  page  29,  line  13,  leave out ‘unless, in the circumstances, it is not

practicable to obtain that approval before exercising the power’.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  104

Clause  36,  page  29,  line  34,  leave out ‘unless, in the circumstances, it is not

practicable to obtain that approval before exercising the power’.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  105

Clause  36,  page  29,  line  40,  leave out ‘a person’ and insert ‘the person arrested in

the case of a situation satisfying the first or second condition referred to in Clause 47B or

the defendant in any other case’.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  106

Clause  36,  page  30,  line  14,  leave out ‘a person’ and insert ‘the person arrested in

the case of a situation satisfying the first or second condition referred to in Clause 47B or

the defendant in any other case’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  163

Clause  36,  page  30,  line  34,  at end insert—

‘(4A)
An officer exercising a power under subsection (4) may detain the vehicle for so

long as is necessary for its exercise.’.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  107

Clause  36,  page  30,  line  36,  leave out from ‘47G’ to end of line 37.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Negatived on division  108

Clause  36,  page  30,  line  42,  leave out from ‘a’ to end of line 43 and insert ‘the

Crown Court’.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  109

Clause  36,  page  30,  line  44,  leave out from beginning to end of line 10 on page 31.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  110

Clause  36,  page  31,  line  15,  leave out ‘a justice of the peace’ and insert ‘the Crown

Court’.

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James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  111

Clause  36,  page  31,  line  21,  leave out ‘a justice of the peace’ and insert ‘the Crown

Court’.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  112

Clause  36,  page  31,  line  27,  leave out ‘a justice of the peace’ and insert ‘the Crown

Court’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  261

Clause  36,  page  32,  line  29,  leave out subsection (2) and insert—

‘(2)
The property may be detained initially for a period of 48 hours.

(2A)
But it must be released if within that period the appropriate officer—

(a)
ceases to be satisfied as mentioned in section 47B(1), or

(b)
ceases to have reasonable grounds for the suspicion mentioned in section

47C(1).’.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  113

Clause  36,  page  32,  line  29,  leave out subsection (2) and insert—

‘(2)
Provided that any of the conditions referred to in section 47B continue to be

satisfied, the property may be detained initially for a period of 48 hours’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  164

Clause  36,  page  32,  line  41 ,  at end insert—

‘(3)
If such an application is made within that period and the application is

refused, the property may be detained until there is no further possibility

of an appeal against—

(a)
the decision to refuse the application, or

(b)
any decision made on an appeal against that decision.’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  165

Clause  36,  page  32,  line  41 ,  at end insert—

‘(4)
In subsection (2) the reference to the period mentioned in section 47J

includes that period as extended by any order under section 47M.’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  166

Clause  36,  page  33,  line  7,  at end insert—

‘(3)
If such an application is made within that period and the application is

refused, the property may be detained until there is no further possibility

of an appeal against—

(a)
the decision to refuse the application, or

(b)
any decision made on an appeal against that decision.’.

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James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Withdrawn  114

Clause  36,  page  33,  line  15,  leave out ‘ A magistrates’ court’ and insert ‘The

Crown Court’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  167

Clause  36,  page  33,  line  20,  leave out ‘free property held by the defendant’ and

insert ‘realisable property’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  168

Clause  36,  page  33,  line  20,  before ‘, and’ insert ‘other than exempt property

(within the meaning of section 47C(4))’.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  115

Clause  36,  page  33,  line  27,  at end insert ‘provided that the Court shall only extend

the period of detention under Clause 47J by such period as it considers reasonable and

proportionate’.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  116

Clause  36,  page  33,  line  36,  leave out subsection (5).

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  117

Clause  36,  page  33,  line  40,  at end insert—

‘47MA
Right of third parties to make representations

(1)
The Crown Court must, on an application by a person, give the person an

opportunity to make representations in proceedings before making an order under

section 47M if it considers that the making of the order would be likely to have a

significant adverse effect on that person.

(2)
The Crown Court must, on an application by a person, give the person an

opportunity to make representations in proceedings before it about the variation

of an order under section 47M if it considers that—

(a)
the variation of the order; or

(b)
a decision not to vary it;


would be likely to have a significant adverse effect on that person.

(3)
The Crown Court must, on an application by a person, give the person an

opportunity to make representations in proceedings before it about the discharge

of an order under section 47M if it considers that—

(a)
the discharge of the order; or

(b)
a decision not to discharge it;


would be likely to have a significant adverse effect on that person.

(4)
The Court of Appeal when considering an appeal in relation to an order under

section 47M must, on an application by a person, give the person an opportunity

to make representations in the proceedings if that person were given an

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opportunity to make representations in the proceedings which are the subject of

the appeal.’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  169

Clause  36,  page  34,  line  1,  leave out paragraphs (b) and (c) and insert ‘or

( )
any person affected by the order.’.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  118

Clause  36,  page  34,  line  21,  leave out ‘magistrates’ court’ and insert ‘Crown

Court’.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  119

Clause  36,  page  34,  line  23,  leave out ‘Crown Court’ and insert ‘Court of Appeal’.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  120

Clause  36,  page  34,  line  25,  leave out ‘Crown Court’ and insert ‘Court of Appeal’.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  121

Clause  36,  page  34,  line  26,  leave out ‘magistrates’ court’s’ and insert ‘Crown

Court’s’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  170

Clause  36,  page  34,  line  26,  at end insert—

‘( )
a person mentioned in section 47M(3), or’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  171

Clause  36,  page  34,  line  27,  leave out paragraphs (a) and (b) and insert—

‘( )
any person affected by the order.’.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  122

Clause  36,  page  34,  line  29,  leave out subsection (3).

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to on division  172

Clause  36,  page  34,  line  31,  at end insert—

‘47OA
Detention of property pending section 47O appeal

(1)
This section applies where—

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(a)
an application for an order under section 47M is made within the

period mentioned in section 47J, and

(b)
the application is refused.

(2)
This section also applies where—

(a)
an order is made under section 47M extending the period for

which property may be detained under section 47J, and

(b)
the order is discharged or varied so that detention of the property

is no longer authorised by virtue of the order.

(3)
The property may be detained until there is no further possibility of an

appeal against the decision to refuse the application or discharge or vary

the order (as the case may be).’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  262

Clause  36,  page  34,  line  31,  at end insert—

‘47OB
Hearsay evidence in detention order proceedings

(1)
Evidence must not be excluded in detention order proceedings on the

ground that it is hearsay (of whatever degree).

(2)
Sections 2 to 4 of the Civil Evidence Act 1995 apply in relation to

detention order proceedings as those sections apply in relation to civil

proceedings.

(3)
Detention order proceedings are proceedings—

(a)
for an order under section 47M;

(b)
for the discharge or variation of such an order;

(c)
on an appeal under section 47O.

(4)
Hearsay is a statement which is made otherwise than by a person while

giving oral evidence in the proceedings and which is tendered as

evidence of the matters stated.

(5)
Nothing in this section affects the admissibility of evidence which is

admissible apart from this section.’.

James Brokenshire

Mr David Ruffley

Not called  123

Clause  36,  page  34,  line  37,  leave out paragraph (b).

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  173

Clause  36,  page  35,  line  12,  leave out subsection (3) and insert—

‘(3)
Omit section 45 (seizure).’.

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.