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Public Bill Committee Proceedings: 24 February 2009
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Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  174

Clause  37,  page  36,  line  1,  leave out ‘property held by the person’ and insert

‘realisable property’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  175

Clause  37,  page  36,  line  9,  leave out ‘property held by the person’ and insert

‘realisable property’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  176

Clause  37,  page  36,  line  16,  leave out ‘property held by the accused’ and insert

‘realisable property’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  177

Clause  37,  page  36,  line  21,  leave out ‘property held by the accused’ and insert

‘realisable property’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  178

Clause  37,  page  37,  line  4,  at end insert—

‘(11)
In relation to the first or second condition references in sections 127C to 127P to

the accused are to the person mentioned in that condition.’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  179

Clause  37,  page  37,  line  4,  at end insert—

‘(12)
In relation to the first or second condition section 144(8) has effect as if

proceedings for the offence had been started against the accused when the

investigation was started.’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  180

Clause  37,  page  37,  line  7,  leave out ‘free property held by the accused’ and insert

‘realisable property’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  181

Clause  37,  page  37,  line  24,  at end insert—

‘(4A)
In relation to realisable property which is free property held by the recipient of a

tainted gift, references in subsection (4) to the accused are to be read as references

to the recipient of that gift.’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  182

Clause  37,  page  39,  line  2,  at end insert—

‘(4A)
An officer exercising a power under subsection (4) may detain the vehicle for so

long as is necessary for its exercise.’.

Public Bill Committee Proceedings: 24 February 2009
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Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  263

Clause  37,  page  40,  line  43,  leave out subsection (2) and insert—

‘(2)
The property may be detained initially for a period of 48 hours.

(2A)
But it must be released if within that period the appropriate officer—

(a)
ceases to be satisfied as mentioned in section 127B(1), or

(b)
ceases to have reasonable grounds for the suspicion mentioned in section

127C(1).’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  183

Clause  37,  page  41,  line  10,  at end insert—

‘(3)
If such an application is made within that period and the application is

refused, the property may be detained until there is no further possibility

of an appeal against (or review of)—

(a)
the decision to refuse the application, or

(b)
any decision made on an appeal against (or review of) that

decision.’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  184

Clause  37,  page  41,  line  10,  at end insert—

‘(4)
In subsection (2) the reference to the period mentioned in section 127J

includes that period as extended by any order under section 127M.’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  185

Clause  37,  page  41,  line  20,  at end insert—

‘(3)
If such an application is made within that period and the application is

refused, the property may be detained until there is no further possibility

of an appeal against (or review of)—

(a)
the decision to refuse the application, or

(b)
any decision made on an appeal against (or review of) that

decision.’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  186

Clause  37,  page  41,  line  32,  leave out ‘free property held by the accused’ and insert

‘realisable property’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  187

Clause  37,  page  41,  line  32,  before ‘, and’ insert ‘other than exempt property

(within the meaning of section 127C(4))’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  188

Clause  37,  page  42,  line  12,  leave out paragraphs (b) and (c) and insert ‘or

( )
any person affected by the order.’.

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Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  189

Clause  37,  page  42,  line  37,  at end insert—

‘( )
a person mentioned in section 127M(3), or’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  190

Clause  37,  page  42,  line  38,  leave out paragraphs (a) and (b) and insert—

‘( )
any person affected by the order.’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  191

Clause  37,  page  42,  line  41,  leave out ‘30’ and insert ‘21’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to on division  192

Clause  37,  page  42,  line  44,  at end insert—

‘127OA
Detention of property pending section 127O appeal

(1)
This section applies where—

(a)
an application for an order under section 127M is made within

the period mentioned in section 127J, and

(b)
the application is refused.

(2)
This section also applies where—

(a)
an order is made under section 127M extending the period for

which property may be detained under section 127J, and

(b)
the order is discharged or varied so that detention of the property

is no longer authorised by virtue of the order.

(3)
The property may be detained until there is no further possibility of an

appeal against the decision to refuse the application or discharge or vary

the order (as the case may be).’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  193

Clause  37,  page  43,  line  11,  leave out subsection (3) and insert—

‘(3)
Omit section 126 (seizure).’.

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  194

Clause  38,  page  44,  line  5,  leave out ‘property held by the person’ and insert

‘realisable property’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  195

Clause  38,  page  44,  line  13,  leave out ‘property held by the person’ and insert

‘realisable property’.

Public Bill Committee Proceedings: 24 February 2009
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Policing and Crime Bill, continued

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  196

Clause  38,  page  44,  line  20,  leave out ‘property held by the defendant’ and insert

‘realisable property’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  197

Clause  38,  page  44,  line  25,  leave out ‘property held by the defendant’ and insert

‘realisable property’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  198

Clause  38,  page  45,  line  9,  at end insert—

‘(12)
In relation to the first or second condition section 225(9) has effect as if

proceedings for the offence had been started against the defendant when the

investigation was started.’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  199

Clause  38,  page  45,  line  12,  leave out ‘free property held by the defendant’ and

insert ‘realisable property’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  200

Clause  38,  page  45,  line  30,  at end insert—

‘(4A)
In relation to realisable property which is free property held by the recipient of a

tainted gift, references in subsection (4) to the defendant are to be read as

references to the recipient of that gift.’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  201

Clause  38,  page  47,  line  10,  at end insert—

‘(4A)
An officer exercising a power under subsection (4) may detain the vehicle for so

long as is necessary for its exercise.’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  264

Clause  38,  page  49,  line  7,  leave out subsection (2) and insert—

‘(2)
The property may be detained initially for a period of 48 hours.

(2A)
But it must be released if within that period the appropriate officer—

(a)
ceases to be satisfied as mentioned in section 195B(1), or

(b)
ceases to have reasonable grounds for the suspicion mentioned in section

195C(1).’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  202

Clause  38,  page  49,  line  19 ,  at end insert—

‘(3)
If such an application is made within that period and the application is

refused, the property may be detained until there is no further possibility

of an appeal against—

(a)
the decision to refuse the application, or

(b)
any decision made on an appeal against that decision.’.

Public Bill Committee Proceedings: 24 February 2009
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Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  203

Clause  38,  page  49,  line  19 ,  at end insert—

‘(4)
In subsection (2) the reference to the period mentioned in section 195J

includes that period as extended by any order under section 195M.’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  204

Clause  38,  page  49,  line  29,  at end insert—

‘(3)
If such an application is made within that period and the application is

refused, the property may be detained until there is no further possibility

of an appeal against—

(a)
the decision to refuse the application, or

(b)
any decision made on an appeal against that decision.’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  205

Clause  38,  page  49,  line  42,  leave out ‘free property held by the defendant’ and

insert ‘realisable property’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  206

Clause  38,  page  49,  line  42,  before ‘, and’ insert ‘other than exempt property

(within the meaning of section 195C(4))’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  207

Clause  38,  page  50,  line  25,  leave out paragraphs (b) and (c) and insert ‘or

( )
any person affected by the order.’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  208

Clause  38,  page  51,  line  7,  at end insert—

‘( )
a person mentioned in section 195M(3), or’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  209

Clause  38,  page  51,  line  8,  leave out paragraphs (a) and (b) and insert—

‘( )
any person affected by the order.’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to on division  210

Clause  38,  page  51,  line  12,  at end insert—

‘195OA
Detention of property pending section 195O appeal

(1)
This section applies where—

(a)
an application for an order under section 195M is made within

the period mentioned in section 195J, and

(b)
the application is refused.

(2)
This section also applies where—

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(a)
an order is made under section 195M extending the period for

which property may be detained under section 195J, and

(b)
the order is discharged or varied so that detention of the property

is no longer authorised by virtue of the order.

(3)
The property may be detained until there is no further possibility of an

appeal against the decision to refuse the application or discharge or vary

the order (as the case may be).’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  265

Clause  38,  page  51,  line  12,  at end insert—

‘195OB
Hearsay evidence in detention order proceedings

(1)
Evidence must not be excluded in detention order proceedings on the

ground that it is hearsay (of whatever degree).

(2)
Articles 4 and 5 of the Civil Evidence (Northern Ireland) Order 1997

apply in relation to detention order proceedings as those articles apply in

relation to civil proceedings.

(3)
Detention order proceedings are proceedings—

(a)
for an order under section 195M;

(b)
for the discharge or variation of such an order;

(c)
on an appeal under section 195O.

(4)
Hearsay is a statement which is made otherwise than by a person while

giving oral evidence in the proceedings and which is tendered as

evidence of the matters stated.

(5)
Nothing in this section affects the admissibility of evidence which is

admissible apart from this section.’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  211

Clause  38,  page  51,  line  39,  leave out subsection (3) and insert—

‘(3)
Omit section 194 (seizure).’.

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  266

Clause  39,  page  52,  line  26,  leave out from ‘property’ to end of line 28.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  267

Clause  39,  page  52,  line  30,  at end insert—

‘67AA
Costs of storage and realisation

(1)
This section applies if a magistrates’ court makes an order under

section 67A.

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(2)
The court may determine an amount which may be recovered by the

appropriate officer in respect of reasonable costs incurred in—

(a)
storing or insuring the property since it was seized or produced

as mentioned in subsection (1) of that section;

(b)
realising the property.

(3)
If the court makes a determination under this section the appropriate

officer is entitled to payment of the amount under section 55(4).

(4)
A determination under this section may be made on the same occasion as

the section 67A order or on any later occasion; and more than one

determination may be made in relation to any case.

(5)
In this section “appropriate officer” has the same meaning as in section

41A.’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  268

Clause  39,  page  52,  line  31,  leave out ‘Section 67A’ and insert ‘Sections 67A and

67AA’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  269

Clause  39,  page  52,  line  36,  at end insert—

‘“(3A)
An appropriate officer may appeal to the Crown Court against—

(a)
a determination made by a magistrates’ court under section

67AA;

(b)
a decision by a magistrates’ court not to make a determination

under that section.”’.

Mr Vernon Coaker

Agreed to  270

Clause  39,  page  52,  line  38,  at end insert—

‘67C
Proceeds of realisation

(1)
This section applies to sums which—

(a)
are in the hands of an appropriate officer, and

(b)
are the proceeds of the realisation of property under section 67A.

(2)
The sums must be applied as follows—

(a)
first, they must be applied in making any payments directed by

the magistrates’ court or the Crown Court;

(b)
second, they must be paid to the appropriate designated officer

on account of the amount payable under the confiscation order.

(3)
If the amount payable under the confiscation order has been fully paid

and any sums remain in the appropriate officer’s hands, the appropriate

officer must distribute them—

(a)
among such persons who held (or hold) interests in the property

represented by the proceeds as the magistrates’ court or the

Crown Court directs, and

(b)
in such proportions as it directs.