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House of Commons

 
 

Tuesday 3 March 2009

 

Public Bill Committee Proceedings

 

Coroners and Justice Bill

 

[Eleventh and Twelfth Sittings]

 

Clause 39.

 

Amendment 17 proposed, in page 24, line 2, after ‘another’, insert ‘(“V”)’.—(Mr

 

Edward Garnier).

 

 

Withdrawn

 

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Mr James Gray

 

Not called  18

 

Clause  39,  page  24,  line  3,  after ‘D’, insert ‘or V’.

 

David Howarth

 

Jenny Willott

 

Not called  164

 

Clause  39,  page  24,  leave out line 5.

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Not called  400

 

Clause  39,  page  24,  line  9,  at end insert—

 

‘(1ZA)    

A person (“D”) who kills or is party to the killing of another is not to be convicted

 

of murder if D was under the age of eighteen and his developmental immaturity—

 

(a)    

substantially impaired D’s ability to do one or more of the things

 

mentioned in subsection (1A), and

 

(b)    

provides an explanation for D’s acts and omissions in doing or being a

 

party to the killing.’.

 
 

Public Bill Committee Proceedings: 3 March 2009            

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Coroners and Justice Bill, continued

 
 

David Howarth

 

Jenny Willott

 

Not called  165

 

Clause  39,  page  24,  leave out lines 14 to 16.

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Not called  401

 

Clause  39,  page  24,  line  14,  after ‘(1)(c)’, insert ‘, and subsection (1ZA)(b)’.

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Not called  402

 

Clause  39,  page  24,  line  15,  after ‘functioning’, insert ‘or D’s developmental

 

immaturity’.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Mr James Gray

 

Not called  19

 

Clause  40,  page  24,  line  24,  after ‘another’, insert ‘(“V”)’.

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Mr James Gray

 

Not called  20

 

Clause  40,  page  24,  line  25,  after ‘D’, insert ‘or V’.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Not selected  204

 

Page  25,  line  1,  after ‘control’, insert ‘caused by gross provocation’.

 

David Howarth

 

Jenny Willott

 

Not selected  167

 

Clause  41,  page  25,  line  2,  leave out ‘loss of control’ and insert ‘statutory

 

provocation’.

 
 

Public Bill Committee Proceedings: 3 March 2009            

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Coroners and Justice Bill, continued

 
 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Not selected  205

 

Clause  41,  page  25,  line  2,  after ‘control’, insert ‘caused by gross provocation’.

 

David Howarth

 

Jenny Willott

 

Withdrawn  168

 

Clause  41,  page  25,  leave out lines 5 to 7.

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Not called  206

 

Clause  41,  page  25,  line  6,  after ‘self-control’, insert ‘caused by gross

 

provocation’.

 

David Howarth

 

Jenny Willott

 

Not called  169

 

Clause  41,  page  25,  leave out lines 11 and 12.

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Not called  207

 

Clause  41,  page  25,  line  17,  leave out ‘considered’.

 

David Howarth

 

Jenny Willott

 

Not called  170

 

Clause  41,  page  25,  leave out lines 18 to 21.

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Mr James Gray

 

Not called  2

 

Clause  41,  page  25,  line  18,  after ‘adduced’, insert ‘by the defendant, whether or

 

not deliberately or, if adduced by another, relied upon by the defendant,’.

 

David Howarth

 

Jenny Willott

 

Not called  171

 

Clause  41,  page  25,  line  22,  leave out ‘(5)’ and insert ‘(1)’.

 

Bridget Prentice

 

Agreed to  266

 

Clause  41,  page  25,  line  24,  after ‘could’, insert ‘reasonably’.

 
 

Public Bill Committee Proceedings: 3 March 2009            

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Coroners and Justice Bill, continued

 
 

David Howarth

 

Jenny Willott

 

Not selected  166

 

Page  25,  line  2,  leave out Clause 41.

 

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

 

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Mr James Gray

 

Not called  3

 

Clause  42,  page  25,  line  35,  at end insert ‘(provided that D’s fear of serious

 

violence must have been aroused within a period that was in all the circumstances

 

reasonably proximate to the killing of V)’.

 

David Howarth

 

Jenny Willott

 

Not called  450

 

Clause  42,  page  25,  line  39,  leave out paragraph (b).

 

David Howarth

 

Jenny Willott

 

Not called  173

 

Clause  42,  page  25,  line  39,  leave out ‘a’ and insert ‘an objectively’.

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Not called  416

 

Clause  42,  page  25,  line  39,  leave out ‘seriously’.

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Mr James Gray

 

Not called  4

 

Clause  42,  page  25,  line  39,  at end insert ‘, and

 

(c)    

was done or said within a period that was in all the circumstances

 

reasonably proximate to the killing of V’.

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Mr James Gray

 

Not called  5

 

Clause  42,  page  25,  line  41,  at end insert ‘so long as they occurred within a period

 

that was in all the circumstances reasonably proximate to the killing of V’.

 
 

Public Bill Committee Proceedings: 3 March 2009            

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Coroners and Justice Bill, continued

 
 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Mr James Gray

 

Not called  6

 

Clause  42,  page  25,  line  42,  leave out subsection (6).

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Not called  417

 

Clause  42,  page  26,  line  2,  leave out ‘or said’.

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Not called  418

 

Clause  42,  page  26,  line  4,  leave out ‘seriously’.

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Not called  419

 

Clause  42,  page  26,  line  4,  leave out ‘or said’.

 

David Howarth

 

Jenny Willott

 

Agreed to  174

 

Clause  42,  page  26,  line  5,  leave out ‘justified’ and insert ‘justifiable’.

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Not called  420

 

Clause  42,  page  26,  line  5,  leave out ‘or said’.

 

David Howarth

 

Jenny Willott

 

Not called  176

 

Clause  42,  page  26,  line  7,  leave out paragraph (c) and insert—

 

‘(6A)    

Violation of a code of honour or sexual infidelity are not to be regarded without

 

more as circumstances of an extremely grave character for the purposes of

 

subsection (4)(a) above.’.

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Mr James Gray

 

Not called  7

 

Clause  42,  page  26,  line  7,  leave out paragraph (c).

 
 

Public Bill Committee Proceedings: 3 March 2009            

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Coroners and Justice Bill, continued

 
 

David Howarth

 

Jenny Willott

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Not called  175

 

Clause  42,  page  26,  line  7,  leave out ‘or said’.

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Not called  111

 

Clause  42,  page  26,  line  8,  after ‘disregarded’, insert ‘unless the fact that the thing

 

done or said which constituted sexual infidelity is relevant to other things done or said (or

 

both) which do not constitute sexual infidelity but which are put forward as qualifying

 

under subsection (4) of this section.’.

 

David Howarth

 

Jenny Willott

 

Not selected  172

 

Page  25,  line  31,  leave out Clause 42.

 

Clause, as amended, Agreed to.

 

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Mr James Gray

 

Not selected  8

 

Page  26,  line  11,  leave out Clause 43.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 

Clauses 44 and 45 Agreed to.

 

 

David Howarth

 

Jenny Willott

 

Not selected  177

 

Clause  46,  page  27,  line  2,  leave out ‘or assisting’.

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Withdrawn  9

 

Clause  46,  page  27,  line  7,  leave out ‘capable of encouraging or assisting’ and

 

insert ‘that encourages or assists’.

 
 

Public Bill Committee Proceedings: 3 March 2009            

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Coroners and Justice Bill, continued

 
 

David Howarth

 

Jenny Willott

 

Not called  178

 

Clause  46,  page  27,  line  7,  leave out ‘or assisting’.

 

David Howarth

 

Jenny Willott

 

Not called  179

 

Clause  46,  page  27,  line  9,  leave out ‘or assist’.

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Not called  422

 

Clause  46,  page  27,  leave out lines 11 and 12.

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Not called  10

 

Clause  46,  page  27,  line  24,  leave out ‘is capable of encouraging or assisting’ and

 

insert ‘that encourages or assists’.

 

David Howarth

 

Jenny Willott

 

Not called  180

 

Clause  46,  page  27,  line  25,  leave out ‘or assisting’.

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Not called  423

 

Clause  46,  page  27,  leave out lines 28 to 33.

 

David Howarth

 

Jenny Willott

 

Not called  181

 

Clause  46,  page  27,  line  28,  leave out ‘or assisting’.

 

Clause Agreed to.

 

 

Mr Edward Garnier

 

Mr Henry Bellingham

 

Jeremy Wright

 

Not called  12

 

Clause  47,  page  28,  line  6,  leave out ‘capable of encouraging or assisting’ and

 

insert ‘that encourages or assists’.

 
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