The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Christopher
Fraser
Baldry,
Tony
(Banbury)
(Con)
Burt,
Lorely
(Solihull)
(LD)
Chapman,
Ben
(Wirral, South)
(Lab)
Cousins,
Jim
(Newcastle upon Tyne, Central)
(Lab)
Duddridge,
James
(Rochford and Southend, East)
(Con)
Harris,
Mr. Tom
(Glasgow, South)
(Lab)
Heald,
Mr. Oliver
(North-East Hertfordshire)
(Con)
Heppell,
Mr. John
(Nottingham, East)
(Lab)
Kilfoyle,
Mr. Peter
(Liverpool, Walton)
(Lab)
Lepper,
David
(Brighton, Pavilion)
(Lab/Co-op)
Lucas,
Ian
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Business, Innovation
and Skills)
Penrose,
John
(Weston-super-Mare)
(Con)
Plaskitt,
Mr. James
(Warwick and Leamington)
(Lab)
Reid,
John
(Airdrie and Shotts)
(Lab)
Soames,
Mr. Nicholas
(Mid-Sussex)
(Con)
Thurso,
John
(Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross)
(LD)
David Weir, Committee
Clerk
attended the
Committee
First
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Monday 15 June
2009
[Christopher
Fraser in the
Chair]
Draft
Companies Act 2006 (Accounts, Reports and Audit) Regulations
2009
4.30
pm
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and
Skills (Ian Lucas): I beg to
move,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Companies Act 2006
(Accounts, Reports and Audit) Regulations 2009.
It is a
pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Fraser, in my
first statutory instrument Committee as a Parliamentary Under-Secretary
of State, and I welcome all Committee members to their respective
rolessome old, some new and some recycled. The key purpose of
this instrument is to complete the implementation of the company
directive 2006/46 on corporate governance statements published
separately from the directors report by publicly traded
companies. The regulations amend the Companies Act 2006 to make
provision for the filing of separate corporate governance statements at
Companies House. They will also implement the directives
requirement for an auditors report on separate corporate
governance statements.
The
requirement for a corporate governance statement and its contents was
implemented in rules made last year by the Financial Services
Authority. As permitted by the directive, companies are given the
option in those rules to prepare a separate corporate governance
statement, rather than to include it in a specific section in the
directors
report.
Mr.
Oliver Heald (North-East Hertfordshire) (Con): I
congratulate the Minister on his elevation and on doing such a thorough
job in outlining the provisions. However, does he share my concern that
the only reason we are having to deal with them now is that back in
2008, when we should have dealt with themalong with all the
other mattersthe FSA had not yet made the rules? It appears to
have dragged its feet. I would be grateful to hear whether the Minister
thinks that we should criticise the FSA for not getting its act
together. The directive started its life in 2002, when the original
proposal was made, and the FSA must have known about it throughout that
time. What was it
doing?
Ian
Lucas: I am not in a position to criticise the FSA at this
juncture, because I do not know the reason for the delay. Perhaps I can
address that matter in my closing remarks.
The
regulations require the auditor to check that share capital and the
information in a separate corporate governance statement, on internal
control and risk management systems relating to the financial reporting
process, are consistent with the audited financial statements. That is
the same check that would be required if the information formed part of
the directors report and it
should not add to the costs of audit, because the test for consistency
should not be onerous. Some companies audited financial
statements might well not contain any information on internal control
and risk management
systems.
The
regulations also contain some technical accounting amendments. As hon.
Members will be aware, a version of the instrument was laid before
Parliament earlier this year, and then withdrawn. That version
contained an amendment to section 413 of the 2006 Act concerning
disclosure of loans to directors of banking companies. The amendment
would have corrected wording that is unclear in its intent and
technically puts the UK in breach of the bank accounts directive.
However, the amending regulation would have resulted in less
information being available to company members and other account
readers. We have, therefore, re-laid the regulations without that
provision and shall consult further on the options for amending section
413.
If hon.
Members so wish, I can give a brief description of each of the
accounting amendments remaining in part 3 of the regulations, but for
now, I commend the regulations to the
Committee.
4.34
pm
John
Penrose (Weston-super-Mare) (Con): It is a pleasure to
have you with us in the Chair this afternoon, Mr. Fraser. I
congratulate the Minister on his new post. He is off to a flying start
with a thoroughly technical statutory instrument, the details of which
he has mastered with great aplomb, as he has just shown. I am sure that
this will be the first of many great
occasions.
The
regulations are very technical and the measure is, from what I gather
and following consultations with external bodies, almost entirely
uncontroversial. Nobody has written to me to complain about it and,
despite our best efforts, my research staff and I can find nothing to
object to in it. Therefore, in the interests of both good governance
and constructive opposition, we are in no mood to press the measure to
a Division or to oppose it at all.
The important
thing about the regulations is that they aid transparency and
reliability. The Conservative party strongly adhere to those
principles. It is obviously important that people who wish to know the
status of any companys organisation and to understand more
about what is going on in that organisation have information that they
know they can rely on and that has been proven to be sensible. The
regulations are small but worthwhile steps in that direction and
complete a process that has already been started by other regulations
and Acts. We therefore think the measure is entirely sensible,
reasonable and proportionate. We have no objections to it, and I will
not further detain the Committee.
4.36
pm
John
Thurso (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD): It is
a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr.
Fraser.
As has been
said, this is a welcome and uncontroversial SI that puts into practice
things with which most people are happy, but I have a three questions
for the Minister. I say in parenthesis that having for part of my life
been responsible for corporate governance as a senior
independent on a plc, I have more faith in peoples character
than in ticking boxes, so I do not hold my breath on the
rules.
First,
regulation 3 adds the requirement for unquoted companies to register
with the registrar any statement of corporate governance that they
make. Is there anything in the measure that obliges them to do so? If
unquoted companies do not wish to make a statement of corporate
governance, do they remain free not to do so? If such companies choose
to engage best practice and therefore make such a statement when they
do not have to, are they obliged to follow the rules precisely? In
other words, do they either opt in or out entirely, or can they produce
a modified form of the report? Secondly, will the Minister state the
accounting impact of the fairly technical changes to realised
losses?
Thirdly, will
the Minister confirm that the transfer value of pensions, which will
now have to be stated in the directors remuneration report, is
not necessarily the actual value? In the case of Sir Fred Goodwin, for
example, the transfer value would not have shown the value that he
actually received, but merely the value he would have received had
there been a transfer at the time.
Other than
seeking answers to those questions, I am happy to support the
regulations.
4.38
pm
Ian
Lucas: I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for raising
those points. They show the true complexity of the field into which I
am now treading. I regret that at this particular juncture, I cannot
give him direct responses to each of the items in turn but I will
certainly
[Interruption.] I may be able to
assist him in at least one regard. I was looking forward to writing to
him with responses to those queries, but I am advised that unquoted
companies with securities that are publicly traded need to file a
corporate governance statement. If they are not publicly traded, they
do not have to do so. I have been able to indicate the position in
respect of that matter, but I will write to him in respect of the other
issues.
John
Thurso: Will the Minister clarify, for those who do not
know, the difference between an unquoted company and a company that has
publicly traded unquoted securities? I think that is to do with the
difference between the off-exchange marketofexthe
alternative investment market and other things of that nature. It will
be useful to have that clarification on the
record.
Ian
Lucas: I am sorry; I did not catch the second half of the
question.
John
Thurso: Will the Minister kindly specify precisely what
the difference is between a quoted company and an unquoted company with
securities that are publicly traded, as it is obviously an off-market
trade and it may either relate to ofex or be completely off-market? It
will be most useful to know
that.
Ian
Lucas: A quoted company is defined in the 2006 Act as one
whose shares are included on the stock exchanges official list,
are officially listed in a European economic area state, or are
admitted to dealing on either the New York stock exchange or NASDAQ.
The current directive applies to companies with securities that are
admitted to trading on a regulated market, and that is wider than
simply quoted companies. I shall write to the hon. Gentleman on the
specific details.
In response to
the hon. Member for North-East Hertfordshire, the FSA implemented its
rules within the deadline permitted by the regional directive. As it
also implemented provisions of the audit directive and as it needed to
consult, the FSA was not able to meet the April 2008 commencement
date.
Mr.
Heald: I think the date on which the rules came into force
was in June, and the regulations were made in April. It seems a bit odd
that it was not possible to get the two dovetailed. Perhaps the right
and left hands did not know what each was
doing.
Ian
Lucas: It may be that there is a certain curiousness
concerning the dates that the hon. Gentleman has mentioned, and I can
make inquiries with the FSA on the
matter.
I
am grateful to hon. Members on both sides of the Committee for their
contributions. I will learn a great deal about the detail that we have
raised. The regulations make modest changes to the law which are needed
to complete our exercise of the member state option under the EU
directive, permitting publicly traded companies to prepare a separate
corporate governance statement should they so wish. On that basis, I
hope that hon. Members will support the
regulations.
Question
put and agreed to.
4.43
pm
Committee
rose.