The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Mr.
David
Amess
Allen,
Mr. Graham
(Nottingham, North)
(Lab)
Beresford,
Sir Paul
(Mole Valley)
(Con)
Harris,
Mr. Tom
(Glasgow, South)
(Lab)
Hewitt,
Ms Patricia
(Leicester, West)
(Lab)
Hogg,
Mr. Douglas
(Sleaford and North Hykeham)
(Con)
Horwood,
Martin
(Cheltenham)
(LD)
Kumar,
Dr. Ashok
(Middlesbrough, South and East Cleveland)
(Lab)
McIntosh,
Miss Anne
(Vale of York)
(Con)
Morden,
Jessica
(Newport, East)
(Lab)
Norris,
Dan
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Environment, Food
and Rural Affairs)
Robinson,
Mr. Geoffrey
(Coventry, North-West)
(Lab)
Smith,
Mr. Andrew
(Oxford, East)
(Lab)
Swire,
Mr. Hugo
(East Devon)
(Con)
Watkinson,
Angela
(Upminster)
(Con)
Williams,
Mr. Roger
(Brecon and Radnorshire)
(LD)
Wright,
David
(Telford) (Lab)
Mark
Oxborough, Committee Clerk
attended the Committee
First
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Tuesday 23
June
2009
[Mr.
David Amess in the
Chair]
Draft
Environmental Permitting (England and Wales) (Amendment) Regulations
2009
10.30
am
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural
Affairs (Dan Norris): I beg to move,
That the
Committee has considered the draft Environmental Permitting (England
and Wales) (Amendment) Regulations
2009.
The
regulations are being made to transpose, in England and Wales, the
permitting and compliance requirements of directive 2006/21/EC, known
as the mining waste directive. The directives key objective is
to prevent, or to reduce as far as possible, any adverse effects on the
environment and human health as a result of the management of waste
from the extractive industries. This essentially means waste from the
extraction and treatment of mineral resources and the working of
quarries.
A series of
pollution incidents, including serious incidents in Spain in 1998,
where a waste pond with dangerous materials in the water broke its
banks, and in Romania in 2000, where cyanide, which is used in gold
extraction, got into a river, killing all of the aquatic life, led the
European Commission to consider the need for a specific measure on the
management of extractive waste. After extensive negotiations on a
Commission proposal, the outcome was the adoption in May 2006 of the
mining waste
directive.
The
due date for transposition of the directive by member states was 1 May
2008, and the European Commission has recently confirmed that 17 out of
27 member states have formally notified their transposing legislation.
With the agreement of the House, the regulations that we are debating
today will enable the Government to do so in relation to England and
Wales, with the agreement of the Welsh Assembly Government as well.
Separate regulations will be made by the devolved Administrations in
Scotland and Northern
Ireland.
The
Government established close and regular contact with the extractive
industries during the negotiation of the directive and have maintained
that contact since its adoption. It is the Governments policy
not to gold-plate directives by going beyond their minimum
requirements, and to make full use of available derogations. Our aim
has been to fulfil both objectives in the transposition of the mining
waste
directive.
In
addition to our continuing engagement with the industries, the
Government carried out a three-month public consultation on the options
for transposing the directive. We consulted on three transposition
options and assessed the cost of each in an impact assessment. After
consideration of all the responses to the three options, the Government
concluded that the most effective
and cost-efficient means of fulfilling the directives objectives
is by using the environmental permitting system, with the Environment
Agency as the regulatory
authority.
The
environmental permitting system came into force in April 2008 and
already implements 12 other EU directives. It is part of the Better
Regulation initiative by the Government to cut red tape and reduce
regulatory costs for industry while continuing to protect the
environment and human health. As I have said, the key objective of the
mining waste directive is to prevent, or to reduce as far as possible,
any adverse effects on the environment and human health as a
result of the management of extractive waste. Parliament has already
given the Environment Agency responsibility for the management of waste
from other sectors of industry in England and Wales. The Government
have concluded that the Environment Agency is also best placed, and
should have the responsibility, for dealing with waste from the
extractive
industries.
The
operators of most extractive waste facilities already hold an
environmental permit to meet the requirements of other EU directives.
Transposition of the mining waste directive by means of the
environmental permitting system therefore ensures that the
administrative and regulatory burdens arising from the directive are
kept to a
minimum.
The
regulations before the Committee will ensure that the
directives requirements are implemented in a proportionate,
risk-based and cost-effective way. In the Governments view,
transposition of the directive by means of the environmental permitting
system, with the Environment Agency as the regulatory authority, will
be of benefit to the industry, the environment and, very importantly,
human health. I commend the regulations to the
Committee.
10.34
am
Miss
Anne McIntosh (Vale of York) (Con): Welcome to the Chair,
Mr. Amess. It is a pleasure to appear before you. I
congratulate the Minister on his reappearance on the Government
Benches. It is a particular pleasure to welcome him to this position
and I look forward to many outings together in the time
remaining.
I also want
to put it on the record that the postponement of the first Committee
sitting at short notice was unfortunate. It did not affect me unduly
and I will not labour the point, but I know that a number of staff
members would have been travelling in from some distance during a
strike. The fact that the sitting was postponed only at five minutes to
6 the day before caused some inconvenience. I am sure that the Minister
would like to address that in his remarks.
For the sake
of clarity, let me say that I speak for the official Opposition on
environmental matters. However, for a number of years I was a
practising European lawyer in Brussels, and for 10 years I was also a
Member of the European Parliament. I spoke on transport matters, rather
than the environment.
As eloquent
as the Ministers opening remarks were, he has failed to make
the case for why we need to introduce these regulations at all and in
particular, at this time. I would argue that the consultation itself
was flawed. The Minister has been in post for a short time, but I am
sure that he would have been well briefed because he is a very able
chap. As he stated in his opening remarks, regulations to introduce the
mining
waste directive were meant to be transposed by 1 May 2008. In the
Governments own documentthe explanatory
memorandumthey say that one of the main reasons for transposing
this directive is simply to avoid being prosecuted for an infraction or
breach of the European directive. As the Minister knows, many in the
House of Commons would wear that badge with pride, but this Government
wear that badge with supreme pride. His Department has said on the
record that it has no intention of introducing and implementing the EU
floods directive by the time it is meant to be transposed into British
law.
I welcome the
Ministers statement that the Government have no intention of
gold-plating the regulations. However, he cannot expect us as
parliamentariansnor indeed, can he expect the
industryto accept that the main purpose of the regulations is
simply to avoid infraction proceedings. To me, that is not a good
reason. I put it to the Minister that it is much better to delay the
introduction of the regulations until proper consultation has taken
place and the industry has had sufficient time to prepare. I would also
be grateful if the Minister could confirm whether the industry would be
expected to implement these regulations by 8 July, if the official
Oppositions request to delay the transposition fell on deaf
ears. The first week in July would not give sufficient notice to the
industry to meet the requirements of what is a technical
directive.
There is an
issue of greater concern and it is quite a technical point. The draft
Major Accident Off-Site Emergency Plan (Management of Waste from
Extractive Industries) Regulations 2009 are due to come into force at
the same time as the environmental permitting regulations. They are not
as straightforward as they appear. Paragraph 14 of proposed new
schedule 18B of the Environmental Permitting (England and Wales)
Regulations 2007 was not part of the consultation by the Government. It
was introduced only towards the end of the period of consultation on
the regulations before the Committee.
There was no
proper consultation on paragraph 14 (2), which
states:
The
regulator must refuse an application for an environmental permit
relating to a Category A mining waste facility that is an existing
mining waste facility upon receipt of a notice by the relevant
emergency planner stating that the operator has not provided the
information necessary to enable the relevant emergency planner to draw
up an external emergency
plan.
Although
the industry will proactively engage at an early stage with the
so-called relevant emergency planner to ensure that the information
required is scoped as fully as possible, there is grave concern in the
industry thatthrough no fault of its ownthe authority
may have to issue a notice to the Environment Agency that would lead to
the refusal of the permit application.
The Minister
and I live a long way from Cornwall and do not have the pleasure of
representing that part of the country. However, I am told that if the
Minister is not minded to delay the implementation of the regulations
providing for enforcement measuresbacked up by heavy
penaltiesand should the existing operational facility not have
a permit on the due date of 1 May 2012, then an interim refusal does
not appear to be the most effective way of meeting the objectives in
the directive. The implication is that the operating plant might be
forced to close down, with the consequent loss of jobs and loss to the
local economy of Cornwall.
I understand
that, given a little more time and effort, a suitable mechanism of
arbitration or form of appeal added to either set of regulations could
alleviate the considerable operational difficulties and disruption to
the industry, and particularly to the continued supply of china clay
from the south-west. Lead mines were the traditional source of
employment in the south-west, but china clay still has a substantial
contribution to make to industry in that area. I hope the Minister will
look kindly on those
remarks.
The
main purpose of the regulations, as the Minister said, is to implement
the EU mining waste directive. There are a few minor technical changes
to the original 2007 regulations. One of those will directly affect a
number of waste management activities. The technical change to
regulation 71 will affect landfill sites that are currently operating
under old waste management licences and are the subject of an appeal,
meaning that if an appeal is rejected, the site could close under the
old waste management licensing rules without its needing to transfer
into the new environmental permitting regulations. I do not know
whether that is an unintended
consequence.
The
effects of the EU mining directive and the draft regulations are a
cause of concern for quarrying. There are a number of issues about how
the regulation and the directive fit with the requirements of the waste
framework directive. The concerns centre on the back-filling of
quarries with material generated by quarrying activity. Currently, this
is regarded as a recovery operation. Under the new regulation, the
status of back-filling activity would be changed; the waste legislation
would be invoked, and the activity would become a disposal
operationlandfill tax would become payable on all material
deposited, albeit at a lower rate. The Minister will understand that
for the industry, the consequences of that are not
insubstantial.
As the cost
of disposing of quarrying material rises due to landfill tax, some
operators might seek to divert the material to sham recovery projects
such as golf course improvements, when, in fact, they are depositing
waste. There has, I think, been a recent example of that not a million
miles from the area you represent, Mr. Amess. The Department
and the Environment Agency are, I understand, aware of the concerns.
Will the Minister explain how he and the Department propose to address
those?
The
cost of transposing the directive is not insignificant. The explanatory
memorandum sets it out in detail. The impact on business and charities
or voluntary bodies of fulfilling obligations under the draft
regulations is estimated to be in the region of £95.7 million.
The impact on public sector bodies of covering the costs of enforcing
the draft regulations will be about £2 million per annum. One
element of the regulation which is of concern to the UK minerals
industry and in particular, the china clay industry, is paragraph 14(2)
of new schedule 18B. That was inserted in the draft regulations only in
April 2009 and did not, as I understand it, feature in the draft that
went out to consultation in February. If that is the case, the Minister
will surely accept that the consultation is flawed.
The
regulations apply only to an extractive waste facility that has been
designated a category A facilityone that could lead to a major
accident. Will the Minister explain, for the sake of clarity, how that
definition was
arrived at? These facilities will require a permit to operate beyond May
2012. That is not a long way off given the nature of the work required.
For this permit to be granted, an external emergency plan must be drawn
up by the local authority emergency planning service. Perhaps some
confusion in the consultation arises from the fact that EU directive
2006/21/EC on the management of waste from extractive industries was
handled by a different Department altogetherthe Department for
Communities and Local Government. It would be helpful to understand the
processes there.
I have
mentioned that paragraph 14(2) will allow the Environment Agency to
refuse a permit for the operation of existing category A facilities. I
hope that the Minister will address that point. The UK has one of the
most effective systems of regulatory control for mining waste
operations in Europe. What representations have been made to the
European institutionsthe Council of Ministers and the European
Parliamentto ask why we should be giving up a very good
regulatory control system for a less effective one. Many other states,
including Germany and Sweden, have decided that their existing
regulations are sufficient and do not need changing in light of the
mining waste directive. It appears that we would be able to maintain
the status quo and the Government could have argued that UK-based firms
remain subject to the regulatory controls. We are actually going to
discriminate against and disadvantagein the Ministers
terms, we are going to gold-platethe regulatory
regime that UK firms will be faced with from 2012. They will also be
subject to greater regulation than their European counterparts, quite
apart from having firm regulation in the UK. I would welcome the
Ministers comments on the fact that insufficient consideration
has been given to the potential impact on the china clay industry of
the regulations that I
mentioned.
Momentarily,
I would like to turn to the explanatory memorandum which apparently,
does not give a full explanation of the total costs. Will the Minister
tell us why that is? Paragraph 15 of the impact assessment says that
the failure to implement the directive would leave the UK open to
infraction proceedings. As I mentioned at the outset, that is not a
reason for putting the Committee through its paces or for incurring
extra regulatory costs for the industry. The Government have no
intention of implementing other directives in time, so why this
particular
one?
Paragraph
22 of the impact assessment states clearly that no assessment of costs
under article 14 of the mining waste directive was made. Why not?
Paragraph 35 mentions that assumptions have been made about
the nature of waste from the extractive industries under article 3(1)
of the directive. It would be helpful to have an idea of how those
definitions were arrived at. How does the Minister see the definitions
set out in the explanatory memorandum fitting in with current UK
practice?
I
ask the Committee to look at the summary on page 15 of the
analysis and evidence, which sets out the annual benefits.
Having set out that the costs are £95.7
milliona one-off cost of £27.58 million over four years
and an average annual cost of £8.47 millionit tells us
that the only annual benefit that can be quantified is the avoidance of
fines from the European Court of
Justice. Yet we already have a much tougher regulatory regime than any
other European country. Perhaps the Minister can clarify that, and
explain why the time scales are so tight and why there was not a full
consultation.
Tables 5.6a,
5.6c and 5.6d in paragraph 5.22 of annex 1 show how the
total costswhich seem quite staggeringwere arrived at.
How does the Minister expect the industry, in a time of recession and
credit crisis, to pay those? Table 5.12 shows how the change in costs
as a percentage goes up incrementally over the period in
question.
To conclude,
I have set out a good case why the Committee need be detained no longer
today. I hope that the Minister will withdraw the regulations, renew
consultationparticularly on paragraph 14so that a
proper consultation can be done, and come back to the Committee with a
full breakdown of the costs. It is not good law to say that a
regulatory regime is being introduced not because it will impose a
better, fairer system, but to avoid infraction proceedings before the
European Court of Justicethat does not
wash.
10.51
am
Mr.
Roger Williams (Brecon and Radnorshire) (LD): It is a
great pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Amess.
This is the second outing I have had with the Minister and I look
forward to his response to the full case made by the hon. Member for
Vale of York. She has been so comprehensive that she has almost covered
the whole of the common brief we have been provided with.
There is no
good time to load any industry with regulation. That is particularly so
when those such as UK quarrying and other mineral extractive industries
are well regulated and fulfil all the criteria necessary at the present
time. They are far better regulated than industries in many other EU
nations that have said they do not wish to implement these
regulations, as they believe their industries comply with the highest
standards.
The
key issue is paragraph 14 of new schedule 18B, which was not consulted
on when the impact assessment went out for consultation. That gives the
Environment Agency the right to close a facility if it does not provide
the required information. That is a draconian sanction to impose on any
operation, and a company can access no appeal procedure or tribunal to
contest it. It is an inappropriate sanction in any case because to walk
away from a facility would leave it more dangerous and liable to
environmental damage than if the operation continued. Other sanctions,
such as fines or imprisonment, could be applied to those that do not
provide that
information.
Briefly,
I concur with the hon. Lady that the regulations should not be
implemented now and should go out for further consultation. In any
event, the sanction is inappropriate and conducive neither to health
and safety nor environmental
safety.
10.54
am