The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Mr. George
Howarth
Armstrong,
Hilary
(North-West Durham)
(Lab)
Binley,
Mr. Brian
(Northampton, South)
(Con)
Boswell,
Mr. Tim
(Daventry)
(Con)
Browne,
Mr. Jeremy
(Taunton)
(LD)
Cable,
Dr. Vincent
(Twickenham)
(LD)
Clwyd,
Ann
(Cynon Valley)
(Lab)
Duddridge,
James
(Rochford and Southend, East)
(Con)
Hands,
Mr. Greg
(Hammersmith and Fulham)
(Con)
Hughes,
Beverley
(Stretford and Urmston)
(Lab)
McCarthy-Fry,
Sarah
(Exchequer Secretary to the
Treasury)
Meale,
Mr. Alan
(Mansfield)
(Lab)
Mudie,
Mr. George
(Leeds, East)
(Lab)
Murphy,
Mr. Paul
(Torfaen)
(Lab)
Ottaway,
Richard
(Croydon, South)
(Con)
Salter,
Martin
(Reading, West)
(Lab)
Truswell,
Mr. Paul
(Pudsey)
(Lab)
Glen McKee, Robert Cope,
Committee Clerks
attended the Committee
First
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Monday 26
October
2009
[Mr.
George Howarth in the
Chair]
Landfill
Tax (Prescribed Landfill Site Activities) Order
2009
4.30
pm
The
Exchequer Secretary to the Treasury (Sarah
McCarthy-Fry): I beg to
move,
That
the Committee has considered the Landfill Tax (Prescribed Landfill Site
Activities) Order 2009 (S.I. 2009, No.
1929).
It
is a delight to serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Howarth.
It is some time since I have done so; the last time was during the
passage of the Armed Forces Bill. I have been seeking confirmation of
whether I need to declare an interest, but I think that it is best to
do so. My son is a waste management and licensing officer with a local
authority.
I
am pleased to introduce the order. Landfill tax is payable on each
tonne of waste disposed of via landfill in the UK. It is an
environmental tax that is payable by the operators of landfill sites to
Her Majestys Revenue and Customs. Operators pass on the cost to
those disposing of waste at their sites, which ensures that the
environmental cost of waste disposal to landfill is reflected in
business and public sector decision making. Since its introduction in
1996, landfill tax has reduced greatly the volume of waste that goes to
landfill. Between 1996-97 and 2008-09, the volume of active waste sent
to landfill fell by 35 per cent., despite a growth in the economy of 23
per cent., in real
terms.
Last
year, in the Waste Recycling Group case, the Court of Appeal found that
when material received on a landfill site is put to use on the site,
there is no liability to landfill tax. Although that was contrary to
our interpretation of the legislation, the Government accepted the
decision and invited applications for refunds of tax accordingly.
However, the ruling meant that a significant amount of waste was taken
outside the scope of landfill tax. Legislation relating to the use of
waste on site no longer reflected the policy intention of the tax. When
the creation of a tangibly engineered structure is not involved, the
use of waste on a landfill site is effectively disposal, in terms of
the environmental impact. It is treated as disposal for environmental
protection regulation. It should therefore be taxed as disposal,
particularly as much of the material that was taken outside the scope
of the tax is biodegradable and contributes to greenhouse
emissions.
Mr.
Tim Boswell (Daventry) (Con): I claim no expertise on the
subject, but a large quantity of inert material was once dumped on my
farm as part of roadworks. Those concerned escaped paying landfill tax,
because that was before its time. Is there any danger that the order
will reduce the economic incentive to make the most efficient use of
materials, albeit by disposal? Clearly, when one intervenes with a tax,
it makes a difference, but as long
as there will not be a perverse incentive for people to put material
into landfill without processing it, I am
happy.
Sarah
McCarthy-Fry: I do not believe that the order will create
such an incentive. It merely returns us to the position before the
Court of Appeal
judgment.
Schedule
60 to the Finance Act 2009 provided for the Treasury to prescribe by
order landfill site activities that should be subject to landfill tax.
Such activities had been deemed taxable prior to the WRG ruling. The
order amends primary legislation on landfill tax to prescribe seven
uses of material on landfill sites that do not involve the creation of
a tangibly engineered structure. Those uses became liable to landfill
tax from 1 September 2009. The uses include daily coverthe use
of material as a protective cover for landfill at the end of the
working dayand cover material placed against the drainage layer
and material used to create or maintain a temporary haul road on site.
We are aware that certain sectors of the waste industry are opposed to
the taxation of daily cover, but I am persuaded that such material
should be taxed to reflect the environmental cost of it being disposed
of in landfill. Taxation should also be used to influence landfill site
operators to use, wherever possible, non-biodegradable material as
daily
cover.
There
is an eighth activity covered by the order. As it is somewhat different
from those that I have described, I shall explain the background. Prior
to the Court of Appeal ruling, landfill tax legislation provided for
tax-free areas. Landfill site operators could temporarily hold material
in such areas free of tax if they undertook specified activities, such
as sorting prior to disposal. Following the Court of Appeal judgment,
it became clear that the provisions were no longer needed because the
material in those areas was, in any case, not taxable. The Finance Act
2009 removed those redundant provisions. However, information about the
temporary holding of waste at a landfill site continues to be needed by
Her Majestys Revenue and Customs so that it can establish
whether taxable disposals of waste have taken place. The 2009 Act,
therefore, provided that HMRC will continue to have appropriate access
to such information. Regulations that were laid alongside this order
set out the details of the information requirements. Like all the
changes in the order that we are debating, those regulations came into
effect on 1 September
2009.
That
brings me to the eighth activity, which I mentioned. The order provides
that such material is deemed taxable if the new information
requirementsspecifically those relating to the notification and
designation of information areas, the provision of information or the
keeping of recordsare not complied with. That protects
HMRCs access to information on processing and recovery
activities at a landfill site, and enables it to ascertain the tax
liability of the landfill site operator. In practice, the requirement
to supply HMRC with information directly replaces the redundant
tax-free area information requirements. Landfill site operators are,
therefore, unlikely to see any practical difference. Importantly, there
will be little or no increase in the administrative burden on landfill
site operators. The Government are determined that landfill tax should
remain robust and a cornerstone of our policy for reducing the
UKs reliance on
landfill.
Richard
Ottaway (Croydon, South) (Con): I know that the Minister
is getting to the end of her speech, but although her proposals sound
eminently sensible, may I
press her on one particular point about landfillthe problem of
fly-tipping? Landfill is a disincentive for people to recycle, yet the
recycling plants charge people, and particularly commercial
enterprises, for dumping their rubbish. As a result, rubbish is getting
put in the ditches of Croydon. What plans does she have to address that
and to reduce the amount of
fly-tipping?
The
Chairman: Before the Minster responds, may I say that
interventions should be brief? I am sure that Committee members will
take note of what I say when they make further
interventions.
Sarah
McCarthy-Fry: The hon. Member for Croydon, South, has
brought up a subject that is particularly important to constituents,
many of whom raise it with me. There is nothing in the order that will
have any impact on the matter, because all that it does is put us back
in our previous position, taxation-wise. I know that local authorities,
which are responsible for the collection, disposal and management of
waste, take fly-tipping very seriously, and that many have robust
procedures in place, which, hopefully, will address the problem that he
raises. I am confident that the changes introduced in the Finance Act
2009 and completed by this order will ensure that landfill tax can
continue to play a central role in supporting waste
policy.
4.39
pm
Mr.
Greg Hands (Hammersmith and Fulham) (Con): May I say what
a pleasure it is, Mr. Howarth, to serve under your
chairmanship for the first time? The order does not, to our eyes, seem
objectionable. As the Minister said, it takes a range of activities on
landfill sites that might currently be used for avoidance and makes
them taxable. It also requires proper records to be kept of such
activities. Neither aim seems unreasonable, and we on the Opposition
Benches have yet to hear any coherent arguments against the definitions
that the Government have chosen to employ.
As the
Minister said, the order is designed to return landfill tax to the
position that existed before the WRG court case, which I discussed with
her predecessor-but-one in debate on clause 18 of the Finance Bill
earlier this year. Throughout proceedings on the Finance Bill, which
caused the Government a great amount of difficulty, they were clear,
for once, on the general direction that they wished to take on landfill
tax, and they had already published their consultation document. I
agree with the points raised by my hon. Friend the Member for Croydon,
South, about the dangers of fly-tipping in relation to a landfill tax
accelerator. I will not repeat the arguments, because we heard them at
some length in debate on the Finance Bill, but we are keenly aware of
the
issue.
Mr.
Boswell: I warmly endorse the comments of my hon. Friend
the Member for Croydon, South. Does my hon. Friend the Member for
Hammersmith and Fulham not agree that there is concern that what I
might call contrabandunlicensed illegal wastesometimes
goes into landfill? I presume that the order does not bind on
thatit is a matter for legal prosecution and the criminal
lawbut it would be useful to have a comment or an assurance on
the subject.
Mr.
Hands: I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention. I
think that he is right, but it would be useful to hear from the
Minister whether illegal contraband landfill is still covered. I am
sure that it
is.
In
debate on the Finance Bill, two Exchequer Secretaries ago, the hon.
Member for Wallasey (Angela Eagle) confirmed that the Government would
lose approximately £150 million through repayments as a result
of the WRG case. We, like the Government, favour restoring the status
quo ante, which would have the double advantage of protecting revenue
and, as importantly, the environment. The environmental impact of waste
used in cell bunds or on a temporary haul road is equivalent to, or can
even be worse than, placing that material straight in the ground. It is
therefore right that waste used in those ways is taxed accordingly. I
understand that todays measures will be reviewed in the light
of the consultation process. I should be grateful if the Minister would
indicate when the Government will produce their response to that
consultation and whether they still intend to press ahead with their
lead
options.
The
explanatory note states that the instrument will
have
a
negligible impact on the private or voluntary
sectors.
I
would appreciate it if the Minister could confirm that and say how she
has gone about studying what the impact might beboth the
administrative impact and the impact for those operating within the new
rules. Will the Minister also confirm that the order applies to the
public sector, too? It is not mentioned but is significantly affected
by the landfill regime. I am confused about why the Minister has chosen
1 September as the effective date of the measures, and about why the
order has come up for debate today, given that I could find no sign of
anyone having prayed against the measures. I should be grateful, on
procedural grounds, if she confirmed precisely why the order is before
us
today.
Will
the Minister confirm that the budgeted loss resulting from the court
case is still £150 million, that the figure has not changed, and
that that is the sum that will not be recovered? Does she anticipate
that any further measures will be required to counteract the effects of
the WRG court case, beyond the statutory instrument that we are
discussing? I should like to know whether more are in the pipeline. We
see no reason to oppose the technical changes before us, subject to our
receiving some reassurance on the points that I
raised.
4.43
pm
Mr.
Jeremy Browne (Taunton) (LD): I, too, welcome the
opportunity to serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Howarth.
The landfill tax is another Conservative-inspired tax. My party
supports it for the environmental benefits that it brings and because,
at this time, there are significant revenue benefits to having a tax of
that type. I cite an example in Taunton Deane, the borough in which I
live; doorstep recycling is expanding there to include cardboard and
plastic collections. It is uneconomic not to proceed with that form of
collection, because the escalator on landfill tax is making it
prohibitive to maintain the more limited provision that existed
beforehand. A clear incentive is being put in place for increasing
environmentalism, which is welcomed by many
people.
My
party approves of the overall basis of the landfill tax, and given that
starting point, it seems sensible to try to ensure that the method of
collection, and the
criteria applied in the landfill tax, are as robust as possible and
least prone to avoidance. That is particularly true when the tax is on
an upward escalator because, of course, the higher the landfill tax,
the greater the incentive for people to try to avoid paying it. One can
entirely understand why the Government are taking the course of action
set out in the order, and my party is broadly supportive of
it.
I
wish to make two brief points, to which I hope the Minister will
respond. They cover the same territory as the hon. Member for
Hammersmith and Fulham did. First, since the order came into force on 1
September, what process of consultation has been undertaken and what
guidance has been issued? My understanding is that the Government
undertook to issue full public guidance. I hope that no one approaches
me to say that there is scope for confusion and that they have not
received that guidance.
The second,
related point is whether the guidance has been sent to all registered
landfill sitesin other words, does the guidance exist in that
full form, and to whom has it been circulated? Following on from the
points about fly-tipping, I would not wish to have a situation in which
people protested that they were unaware of the full scope of the
changes because the guidance had not been as rigorous as the Government
intended. I am also curious to know why the order came into force on 1
September 2009. What was the basis for setting that date, and why are
we having a discussion about it almost two months
later?
4.47
pm
Sarah
McCarthy-Fry: I thank the hon. Members for Hammersmith and
Fulham, and for Taunton, for their contribution to this short debate.
The hon. Member for Hammersmith and Fulham mentioned our consultation
on landfill tax, which was announced in Budget 2009. The consultation
is part of a wider reform of landfill tax and is not specifically
related to this measure. However, I am happy to update him on where we
are in relation to that situationI think that the hon. Member
for Taunton also mentioned the
consultation.
We
have received more than 100 responses to the consultation from a range
of stakeholders, including landfill site operators, businesses
producing waste, environmental groups, energy producers and local
authorities. We were very happy with that level of response. We are
still considering the detail of the responses and we need to follow up
points that were raised by some of those who responded. We aim to
publish a non-interpretive summary of the consultation responses around
the time of the forthcoming pre-Budget report. The summary will be a
clinical analysis of the responses and is not intended to provide an
indication of our conclusions. We want to follow up some of the issues
raised in responses through a discussion with certain stakeholders. It
is likely that we will publish the Government response in the
spring.
The
issue of revenue losses, the matter of why the date of 1 September was
used, and the question of why we are debating the measure today were
mentioned. On the use of the date of 1 September, we had to strike a
balance between the need to mitigate the revenue loss at
the earliest opportunity, the need to give those affected adequate
notice and the need to ensure that the technical detail in the order
was accurate. We think that the date reflects a reasonable balance. It
is my understanding that the order is subject to the affirmative
procedure, which requires it to be debated. Parliament has not been
back in session for long, so I suggest that the pressure of the
parliamentary timetable has meant that we are debating it
today.
The
hon. Member for Taunton asked what we have done to ensure that landfill
site operators understand the technical changes. All operators who are
registered for the tax have been written to on a number of occasions.
In December 2008, we set out the Governments position and,
immediately after the Budget, there were various Budget announcements
on the tax, indicating that we would legislate to mitigate revenue
losses arising from the court case. In May 2009, we sent all the
operators drafts of the Treasury order and commissioners
regulations, making it clear that if operators wanted to raise any
points of detail on the legislation, we should be happy to consider
them. In August, HMRC issued a revised public notice for the tax, which
included full details of the changes in the order.
Revenue lost
as a result of our not introducing the changes as soon as we announced
them is estimated at just under £10 million a month in 2009-10,
but, as I said, we had to arrive at a balance between mitigating the
revenue loss and making sure that the right level of detail was put
in.
Mr.
Hands: Could the Minister therefore arrive at an estimate
of the total? I think that she is saying that there was a
£10-million-a-month loss, on top of the £150
million loss resulting from the WRG court case. What will the total
be?
Sarah
McCarthy-Fry: I cannot say at this stage. I can, however,
say that we are still receiving claims, but we estimate that total
repayments of tax across the industry as a result of the case will be
in the region of up to £300 million, including
statutory interest. There was a question about contraband. The order
has no impact on contraband waste. I think that I have covered all the
questions; it only remains for me to
say
Mr.
Hands: There was one further question. Does the Minister
see the order as the final element to be brought in as a reaction to
the WRG court case, or is there still more to come? If she covered that
earlier, I apologise, but I am not sure whether she
did.
Sarah
McCarthy-Fry: I can easily clarify that. The order relates
to the WRG court case. As I mentioned, there is continuing consultation
about the future of landfill tax regulation. I think that everyone who
has spoken in the debate agrees that the order is a sensible measure to
bring us back to our previous position with respect to revenue. As to
where we are with landfill taxation, and looking forward, we shall
publish the consultation responses and then have further talks with the
industry about how we formulate the Governments
response.
Question
put and agreed
to.
4.52
pm
Committee
rose.