The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Mr.
Gary Streeter
Clwyd,
Ann
(Cynon Valley)
(Lab)
Dunne,
Mr. Philip
(Ludlow)
(Con)
Goldsworthy,
Julia
(Falmouth and Camborne)
(LD)
Hewitt,
Ms Patricia
(Leicester, West)
(Lab)
Hollobone,
Mr. Philip
(Kettering)
(Con)
Howarth,
Mr. George
(Knowsley, North and Sefton, East)
(Lab)
Jackson,
Mr. Stewart
(Peterborough)
(Con)
Khan,
Mr. Sadiq
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for
Communities and Local
Government)Lilley,
Mr. Peter
(Hitchin and Harpenden)
(Con)
Love,
Mr. Andrew
(Edmonton)
(Lab/Co-op)
Naysmith,
Dr. Doug
(Bristol, North-West)
(Lab/Co-op)
Rogerson,
Dan
(North Cornwall)
(LD)
Salter,
Martin
(Reading, West)
(Lab)
Swire,
Mr. Hugo
(East Devon)
(Con)
Twigg,
Derek
(Halton) (Lab)
Watts,
Mr. Dave
(Lord Commissioner of Her Majesty's
Treasury)Chris Stanton,
Committee Clerk
attended
the Committee
Second
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Monday 16
March
2009
[Mr.
Gary Streeter in the
Chair]
Draft
Local Government (Structural Changes) (Miscellaneous Amendments and
Other Provision) Order
2009
4.30
pm
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Communities and Local
Government (Mr. Sadiq Khan): I beg to
move,
That the
Committee has considered the draft Local Government (Structural
Changes) (Miscellaneous Amendments and Other Provision) Order
2009.
The
Chairman: With this it will be convenient to consider the
draft Cornwall (Electoral Arrangements and Consequential Amendments)
Order
2009.
Mr.
Khan: It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship
for the first time, Mr. Streeter. Hopefully this will be a
productive, useful and short afternoon.
The orders
are consequential on the local government structural changes orders
agreed by Parliament in early 2008. The Local Government (Structural
Changes) (Miscellaneous Amendments and Other Provision)
Order 2009 makes specific provision to ensure that various
matters relevant to the new single-tier councils are dealt with before
the reorganisation date. These changes are necessary to update the
statute book in light of the changes made by the structural changes
orders.
Without
the orders, some of the new unitary councils would have to call
themselves county councils, which, as I am sure that hon. Members
agree, would be confusing for the communities concerned, and areas with
historic traditions, including city status, would be lost to local
residentsfor example, Chester city would no longer be Chester
city; new unitary councils would be unable to appoint members to either
national parks or conservation boards for areas of outstanding natural
beauty; and there would be no administering authority for the Cheshire
and Bedfordshire pension funds.
The Cornwall
(Electoral Arrangements and Consequential Amendments) Order 2009 makes
provision for the 2009 local government elections to be held on the
basis of 123 electoral divisions,
implementing the boundary committees draft recommended warding
arrangements, as published on 2 December 2008. These changes are
necessary, because without them the elections in Cornwall would be held
on the basis of 71 wards returning 82 councillorsa
number widely recognised by all in Cornwall, and by those involved in
electoral administration, as insufficient for providing the strategic
leadership needed for the new unitary
councils.
Part
2 of the miscellaneous order applies to central Bedfordshire and
ensures that members of the executive can continue as such until the
end of the shadow period, notwithstanding that the authorities from
which they were appointed will cease to exist before that date.
Provision is also made to amend the electoral arrangements for parish
councils set up in the Bedfordshire order to ensure that parish
election cycles there are properly synchronised with the election
cycles for the new Bedford borough council and Central Bedfordshire
council. The order also amends the Cornwall, Northumberland,
Shropshire, Wiltshire and County Durham orders to make provision for
the name of the new councils. Essentially, it will allow the councils,
subject to resolution, to omit the word county from
their legal
names.
Part
3 of the miscellaneous order makes provision for the appointment of
charter trustees as appropriate bodies in which historic rights and
privileges may vest, for parts of the areas covered by Cheshire West
and Chester council, Cheshire East council and County Durham council.
If colleagues have questions regarding parts 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 of the
order, I shall be happy to deal with them in my winding-up speech.
However, as I am sure that hon. Members agree, the order provides for
sensible, necessary and consequential amendments, following the
structural changes orders that Parliament has already
approved.
I
shall now turn to the Cornwall (Electoral Arrangements and
Consequential Amendments) Order 2009. We find ourselves in unusual
circumstances: in most cases, provisions for electoral arrangements are
made by the Electoral Commission, but a series of events has led us to
this position today. The hon. Member for Falmouth and Camborne has a
personal interest in this matter, because of the area that she
represents, and she has written to the Minister for Local Government,
my right hon. Friend the Member for Wentworth (John Healey). The hon.
Member for North Cornwall, too, has an interest, so I shall take some
time to explain the order. If hon. Members have any questions, I shall
be happy to respond to
them.
Last
February, when the structural changes orders establishing the new
unitary councils were approved by Parliament, we planned for three of
the county unitariesCornwall, Shropshire and
Wiltshireto have elections in May or June 2009 on the basis of
new wards and electoral divisions, with a new number of councillors
reflecting the new unitary status of the council. It was for the
boundary committee and the Electoral Commission to decide how many
councillors there would be in future and to come up with new wards to
be established by a non-parliamentary order made by the commission
following a process of consultation undertaken by the committee. The
commission and the committee have done what was expected of them in
Shropshire and Wiltshire, and we understand that they will make the
orders for those authorities specifying the new wards that will be used
for the June election in those areas around the middle of March.
However, in Cornwall, the committee and the commission have for a
number of reasons failed to deliver the new electoral arrangements for
the June elections.
All,
including the boundary committee, agree that there should be 123
councillors for the new unitary council instead of the existing 82 for
the current county council. However, the committee is not in a position
to specify new wards. It finished consulting on a draft of the new
wards on 10 February and there is no prospect that it will make an
order to specify the new wards in time for the 4 June
elections.
Mr.
Hugo Swire (East Devon) (Con): It is increasingly clear
that the boundary committee misinformed Devon Members of Parliament by
saying that the status quo was not an option. Following a legal
challenge for judicial review by East Devon district council,
Mr. Justice Cranston has said that the committee was wrong,
and the Minister for Local Government has said that the status quo was
always an option, which renders the whole process null and void. Were
Members of Parliament for Bedfordshire, Cheshire, Cornwall, County
Durham, Northumberland, Shropshire and Wiltshire also informed at the
outset of the deliberation that the status quo was not an option? If
so, does the Minister agree that they should revisit the
matter?
Mr.
Khan: The short answer is no, but I will get back to the
hon. Gentleman with a longer answer, especially on the question whether
Members were consulted, when I have received a note. It is important to
deal specifically with whether Members were consulted, and I am sure
that I will have a response for him before I finish my
comments.
The
Government have powers in local government legislation to establish new
wards, and we have accordingly laid this order before Parliament. The
order will be made under the Local Government and Public Involvement in
Health Act 2007 and will specify the electoral divisions for the
Cornwall 2009 local government elections on 4 June. It provides
for the draft electoral divisions on which the boundary committee has
been consulting. There have been suggestions on modifying those
boundaries, but, as I am sure that the Committee understands, it would
not be right for the Government to amend boundaries on an ad hoc basis
without the means to test the validity of the boundaries that were
suggested by local people.
The approach
that we are proposing will give the new Cornwall council full
democratic legitimacy as soon as possible. In the expectation that the
next council election will be held in May 2013 on the basis of the
Electoral Commissions final electoral arrangements, the new
council will, from its early days, have the strength and stability
necessary to pursue innovative and demanding improvements in service
delivery and give Cornwall the clear and effective leadership that it
needs, especially in the light of the economic challenges that the area
faces.
If the local
elections are not held in June, the council would continue to be run
until elections can be held by, essentially, an appointed body made up
of county councillors and some district councillors whose councils are
being abolished on 31 March 2009. Although our powers under the 2007
Act would permit deferring the electionsthe Minister for Local
Government conducted soundings on such a deferralany deferral
poses serious risk to the legitimacy and success of the new council. Of
course, some have argued that there is a risk in implementing new
arrangements so close to the election, but hon. Members may wish to
note that the timing of this order specifying the wards for the 4 June
elections in Cornwall is about the same as the Electoral
Commissions orders for Shropshire and Wiltshire. We accept that
in Cornwall, unlike those other counties, electoral administrators have
been uncertain when or on what basis the elections will be held. For
that reason, in order to provide everyone in Cornwall with clarity as
early as possible, my right hon. Friend announced his decision on 19
February, as soon as it was practical to do so.
We
also accept that the work that is now being undertaken in Cornwall in
preparation for an election on new electoral divisions adds further
stress to the somewhat stressed arrangements around the country for
organising the European elections. However, we believe that with the
correct support, it is entirely doable. That belief is shared by senior
officers of Cornwall county council, who believe that combined local
and European elections can be organised on the basis of new wards. They
have dedicated resources and programme management to ensure that the
elections are delivered successfully.
For those
leading the preparations in Cornwall, my officials have facilitated
discussions about providing support for Cornwall with Ministry of
Justice officials, the Electoral Commission, the Association of
Electoral Administrators and the electoral panel of the Society of
Local Authority Chief Executives. All those involved have been
incredibly helpful in providing support and advice to the council.
Indeed, following this meeting, the Electoral Commission and the AEA
will work directly with the council on a series of assurance reviews to
support the combined election in
Cornwall.
An
initial review was undertaken on Tuesday 10 March, which
looked at a variety of issues to ensure that arrangements were in hand.
That initial review was very encouraging, and the AEA and the Electoral
Commission were impressed by the amount of work that had been done in
Cornwall and by the progress that had been made. On the basis of the
plans to date, both bodies are confident that there are sufficient
programme management arrangements and other measures in place to
deliver a successful
election.
Following
that initial review, the AEA and the Electoral Commission will continue
to provide periodic review checkpoints, which will be in line with key
stages of the project plan and will provide further assistance. In
addition, the AEA will review the councils plans and risk
register weekly to ensure that any concerns are addressed quickly. My
officials are also in contact with the council every week as a minimum
and have recently visited it as part of a stocktake of the progress
that my right hon. Friend the Minister for Local Government asked the
council to make on unitary
implementation.
I
recognise that time is tight for those in Cornwall, but the risks posed
are wholly manageable. The alternativeno new electoral mandate
for the council, with the implementation executive, which was always
meant as a temporary forum, continuing to lead the new
councilpresents a serious risk to the success of the new
unitary council and puts in jeopardy the delivery of local services in
Cornwall. That is a risk that we cannot run. As my right hon. Friend
made clear when he confirmed his decision to proceed with an election
on the current basis, it is of the utmost importance at this point to
provide effective local leadership, improve service delivery for
Cornwalls residents and ensure that the council has real
democratic legitimacy at the earliest point, giving it the best
possible
start.
Let
me deal now with points that the hon. Member for Falmouth and Camborne
raised with my right hon. Friend. She has asked me to explain that she
asked him about local election arrangements in Cornwall. She
thinksI agreethat dealing with these issues at the
outset might help to shorten our proceedings, because some of her
concerns will be dealt with. I will then come to the other points that
have been made.
The
hon. Ladys main point related to taking on board the views of
local parish, district and county councils about wards. She asked for
small changes to be made to ward boundaries, but the short answer to
her question is that it would be quite wrong for the Government to
adjust the electoral division boundaries on the basis of
representations made by individuals, who could have vested interests. I
am afraid that it is not a matter of making a simple decision based on
local agreement. Representations need to be considered against the key
criteria of electoral equality, community identity, and effective and
convenient local government. We are not in a position to test
representations without regard to those key criteria. Although
representations might be made in good faith, implementing them could,
at worst, result in unfairness in electoral arrangements. The only
basis on which to proceed with any safety while recognising any
imperfections would be if the elections went ahead on the basis of the
boundaries proposed by the independent boundary committee.
The point
raised by the hon. Member for East Devon related to Bedfordshire.
[Hon. Members: Devon.] I beg
your pardon, Devon. I can tell the hon. Gentleman that the new unitary
structures for Cheshire, Bedfordshire and Wiltshire were implemented on
the basis of proposals made by the councils themselves. The orders were
debated and approved by both Houses of Parliament in February and March
2008, but I will be happy to deal with any specific points in my
winding-up speech.
In
conclusion, I am sure that hon. Members agree that the provisions in
the orders are entirely sensible and necessary. Cornwall and the other
eight new unitary authorities are on the cusp of making a landmark
change in local governance in England. The process of transition is
almost over, as we move towards 1 April. Those councils are about to
embark on a process of transformation and innovation that will see them
becoming exemplars of how local services can be delivered and how
communities and local people can be engaged and empowered. The orders
are a necessary part of that transition, and they pave the way for that
transformation. I commend the orders to the
Committee.
4.45
pm
Mr.
Stewart Jackson (Peterborough) (Con): It a pleasure to
serve under your benign chairmanship for the first time, Mr.
Streeter. The Committee will be delighted to learn that we do not
intend to divide the Committee. However, I wish to probe some of the
key issues
involved.
It
is inappropriate to revisit the epic battles fought over the original
orders in February and March 2008. Suffice it to say that we all miss
Mrs. Dunwoody, the former Member for Crewe and Nantwich. Her
contribution to that great debate was a steep learning curve for the
Labour Whips of the north-westI was a not disinterested
outsider. It was a fine example of proper debate, and she represented
her constituents well. The matter was thoroughly discussed not only in
Cheshire but in Shropshire and other parts of the
country.
Much
of the legislation is innocuous and I shall not seek to probe the
Minister on it; indeed, it is consequential on the original orders and
the orders made under section 7 of the Local Government and Public
Involvement in Health Act 2007. We support part 2 of the structural
changes order and the tidying up of the membership
of the shadow executives of Central Bedfordshire council and Bedford
borough council. That seems to be a sensible way forward for parish
councils, and for their respective powers and
locus.
I
refer to part 2 of the structural changes order and paragraph 4.8 of
the explanatory memorandum. I hope that the new unitary authorities
will not use this opportunity to rescind their historical county names.
The argument advanced in the explanatory memorandum is not particularly
persuasive, and the same is true of the Ministers argument that
getting rid of the namefor instance, not calling it Shropshire
county councilshould be supported as it represents a new
beginning.
The name of a
county as a division and as an administrative area is historic; it
reflects the heritage and history of the area. Notwithstanding the
comments made by councillors in Wiltshire, and although part 2 of the
order will allow local authorities to change their name, I believe that
the unitary authorities will not want give the impression that they are
taking over the lower-tier authorities. I therefore
hope that they disregard the blandishments in the order and proudly
call themselves, for instance, Cornwall county council or Shropshire
county council.
I turn to
part 3 of the order and paragraph 4.9 of the explanatory memorandum.
There seems to be a contradiction. Whereas we would disregard heritage
and history in the names of the new unitary authorities, in seeking to
establish chartered trustees for the cities of Chester and Durham, the
towns of Crewe and Macclesfield, and the historic area of Ellesmere
Port, we sensibly pay homage to their importance for the many involved
in civic life in those areas. We strongly support that position in
respect of the ceremonial rights and privileges conferred over many
years in those areas, particularly those relating to their predecessor
local authorities. Does the Minister think that any further
consequential orders will be needed to establish future charter
trustees organisations, or will existing legislation be
sufficient to establish them? I would be interested to hear his
views.
I shall not
detain the Committee by discussing parts 4, 5, 6 and 7 of
the order, which deal with pension funds, port authorities,
conservation areas, national parks and miscellaneous consequential
amendments, not least because I believe that they are not contentious
and that there is consensus on them. My final point on the first order,
to which the Minister might wish to give due attention, concerns the
statement at the end that no impact assessment is deemed to be
appropriate for the statutory instrument. I am not entirely sure that
that is the case. Will he give the Committee his viewpoint on that
matter? I understand that impact assessments were tabled for the
original section 7 orders, so he may want to dwell on that.
Moving
swiftly on to Cornwall, I defer to the expertise of the hon. Member for
Falmouth and Camborne, who will no doubt want to take us through all
the beautifully named electoral divisions in Cornwall, such as Bugle,
Troon, Beacon and many others, although perhaps time will not permit
it. Following the announcement made on 19 February by the Minister for
Local Government, the right hon. Member for Wentworth (John Healey), we
broadly support the order. There is a settled consensus. We welcome the
decision that the electoral divisions will be maintained as established
until the election, as well as the crucial timing of the county council
election. We understand the caveat that the circumstances are
unusual.
We
would have opposed an out-of-sequence county council election, because
it would have been foolish to build a further election into the system,
causing duplication and incurring cost. We strongly support the view
that £600,000 of revenue funding has been saved by not having a
duplicate election in 2011. As paragraph 8.12 of the explanatory
memorandum says, any one-off election in 2010 would be both
destabilising and damaging for the new council, improved service
delivery and effective political leadership for Cornwall. Without
intruding on private grief, I know that the Cornish Liberal Democrats
have issues with the leadership of the existing county council, and
they probably do not want any more problems in that part of the
world.
I want to
press the Minister for more details on the final part of the order,
which he has mentioned. It deals with the detailed work being
undertaken between the Department for Communities and Local Government,
the Society of Local Authority Chief Executives and Senior Managers,
the AEA and the Ministry of Justice. The time scale is exceedingly
tight. It will be difficultalthough, we hope, not
impossibleto deliver an efficient, fair and free election in
the new
Cornwall.
On
that note, we will not divide the Committee. I look forward to hearing
the Ministers detailed
answers.
4.54
pm
Julia
Goldsworthy (Falmouth and Camborne) (LD): It is a pleasure
to serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Streeter. I am sure
that you will keep a close eye on events, as they may well affect your
constituency.
I will start
by responding to the final few comments made by the hon. Member for
Peterborough, who seemed to imply that there is some private grief in
the arrangements. We are quite happy about them; in fact, the Cornish
MPs have supported the council in coming forward with the proposals,
which we see as an important first step towards ensuring that more
decisions are made in Cornwall. That is why we support the proposals.
We have backed them all the way, which is slightly more than can be
said of the Conservative party in its national position on the issue,
given that more than a few Conservative-led councils have come forward
with proposals to move to unitary authorities. Actually, we have done
rather a better job, and we have been singing from the same hymn
sheet.