The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Mr.
David Wilshire
Bottomley,
Peter
(Worthing, West)
(Con)
Burns,
Mr. Simon
(West Chelmsford)
(Con)
Campbell,
Mr. Alan
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the
Home Department)
Clarke,
Mr. Tom
(Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill)
(Lab)
Cruddas,
Jon
(Dagenham) (Lab)
Hamilton,
Mr. Fabian
(Leeds, North-East)
(Lab)
Huhne,
Chris
(Eastleigh)
(LD)
Kramer,
Susan
(Richmond Park)
(LD)
McCabe,
Steve
(Lord Commissioner of Her Majesty's
Treasury)
Murphy,
Mr. Paul
(Torfaen)
(Lab)
Rifkind,
Sir Malcolm
(Kensington and Chelsea)
(Con)
Riordan,
Mrs. Linda
(Halifax)
(Lab/Co-op)
Ruffley,
Mr. David
(Bury St. Edmunds)
(Con)
Shepherd,
Mr. Richard
(Aldridge-Brownhills)
(Con)
Simpson,
Alan
(Nottingham, South)
(Lab)
Twigg,
Derek
(Halton) (Lab)
Gosia
McBride, Committee Clerk
attended the Committee
Second
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Tuesday 7 July
2009
[Mr.
David Wilshire in the
Chair]
Draft
Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 (Violent Offender Orders)
(Notification Requirements) Regulations
2009
10.30
am
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department
(Mr. Alan Campbell): I beg to move,
That the
Committee has considered the draft Criminal Justice and Immigration Act
2008 (Violent Offender Orders) (Notification Requirements) Regulations
2009.
It
is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr.
Wilshire.
Part 7 of the
Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 created violent
offender orders. The Government intend to bring them into force on 3
August this year. Such orders are civil preventative orders designed to
protect the public from the most dangerous violent
offendersthose who continue to pose a high risk of serious
violent harm to the public at the end of their licence or term of
imprisonment.
On application
from the police, a magistrates court may impose a violent offender
order where the relevant criteria are met, containing prohibitions,
restrictions or conditions on an individual. The restrictions may
prevent the individual from going to any specified premises or place,
attending any specified event or having contact with a specified
individual. They may prohibit residence at a particular address, for
example in the vicinity of a previous victim or known criminal
associate. They may also prohibit contact with a particular individual,
for example with a previous partner who was a victim of domestic abuse.
Finally, it may prohibit attendance at certain events, such as
extremist rallies, where the offender has a history of
violence.
Additionally,
a person subject to a violent offender order will have to comply with
the notification requirements set out in the 2008 Act. An offender will
need to inform the police at least annually of basic details such as
name and any aliases used, date of birth, home address and any other
address where they regularly stay. Breach of the order or its
notification requirements is a criminal offence punishable by up to
five years imprisonment.
The draft
regulations contain two provisions relating to the notification regime.
They set out notification requirements for offenders subject to a
violent offender order who intend to travel outside the UK. They also
strengthen the notification requirements for those who identify
themselves to the police as having no sole or main residence in this
country. Without the regulations, the police have limited ability to
monitor such offenders. It could clearly pose a public protection risk
if police officers were not able to track the location of those
individuals because they may be out of the country, or because they
have no sole or main UK residence.
Mr.
Simon Burns (West Chelmsford) (Con): When someone who is
subject to one of the orders notifies the police that they are
travelling abroad, do the British authorities tell the persons
destination country that the person is going to their country and that
they are subject to such an order?
Mr.
Campbell: I will come back to that issue. Certainly, at
that point, it ceases to be a matter simply for the police, but becomes
a matter for other agencies that have contact with authorities
abroad.
We want to
close down the possibility that people subject to a violent offender
order could deliberately frustrate the police management of their risk.
The regulations therefore make it a requirement for a person subject to
such an order who has no sole or main residence in the UK to notify the
police weekly rather than annually. More frequent reporting will allow
better monitoring of location and will also help to close the loop to
those individuals who may claim to be homeless to evade the
police.
The
regulations also make it a requirement for a person subject to a
violent offender order and who intends to travel outside the United
Kingdom to notify the police of when they plan to leave the UK. That
will ensureregarding the hon. Gentlemans
pointthat should it be necessary, the police can liaise with
the authorities in the destination country as appropriate. Importantly,
the offender will also be required to notify the police of information
relating to their return to the
UK.
The
regulations are designed to further minimise the risk to the public
from violent offenders, and with those introductory remarks, I commend
them to the Committee.
10.34
am
Mr.
David Ruffley (Bury St. Edmunds) (Con): As we have heard
from the Minister, the regulations are technical and modify certain
provisions relating to violent offenders, passed under the Criminal
Justice and Immigration Act 2008.
Violent
offender orders are civil orders, which might be characterised as a
cross between an antisocial behaviour order and a control order. The
weakness and apparent failure of some of those orders does not set an
entirely encouraging precedent. The court may issue a VOO against a
person if they have been sentenced to 12 months
imprisonment or for a more serious, violent offence with the sanction
of a prison sentence of up to five years for breach of the
prohibitions, restrictions or conditions imposed by the
order.
Paragraph 7 of
the explanatory memorandum
explains:
Violent
Offender Orders are designed to continue the active management of
violent offenders beyond the completion of their sentence in order to
limit their opportunities for violent
re-offending.
However,
in a sense the problem is precisely thatthe orders will not, of
themselves, stop violence. They will not stop reoffending as
such.
As we have
seen in the past 24 hours, the Government record on following through
on those who breach orders following release from prison is not
compelling. Nine hundred and thirty-five offenders recalled from
release on licence between January 1999 and March 2009 have not been
returned to custody. Of those, 612 have been
missing for a year, including 19 murderers and 26 sex offenders. There
are direct parallels between what the Government are proposing through
the implementation of VOOs under these regulations and the monitoring
of prisoners on licence.
The whole
point of releasing prisoners on licence is that they can be monitored
and returned to prison if they breach. Will the Minister confirm what
distinction will be drawn between the terms of a licence following the
release of a prisoner and the violent offender orders contemplated by
the regulations? Would the requirements contemplated by the regulations
be capable of being imposed by licence terms? If the public are
concerned now that the Government have lost track of almost 1,000
criminalsincluding murderers and sex offenderssurely
the additional obligations under the regulations and violent offender
orders could add to that concern.
Are the
Government certain of the measures? I say that because paragraph 12 of
the explanatory memorandum states:
These
orders and their supporting legislation will be monitored and reviewed
for 12 months by the Violent Offender Orders management board and the
legislation may be amended
accordingly.
Will
the Minister tell the Committee what measures he is putting in place
alongside the orders to ensure that action will be taken for breach?
Will he make a clear statement of the practical proposals he envisages
taking place when breach occurs? As with so many of the new orders
contemplated under successive criminal justice Bills in the past 10
years, they are effective only to the extent of their
enforcement.
The question
of monitoring is a concern for the Opposition. Will the Minister
confirm what additional resources his Department and the Ministry of
Justice intend to make available to the probation service for
monitoring the orders and the conditions attached to them through the
regulations?
Will the
Minister explain the interrelationship, which is not entirely clear to
us, between regulations 5 and 8? Regulation 5 provides additional
notification requirements for an offender proposing to leave the
country for more than three days, including details of the return date
and proposed port of entry. Regulation 8 supplements that, saying that
if the information was not provided before departure the offender has
three days from their return to provide it. First, why is the offender
not, in a strict fashion, required to provide that information before
leaving? Secondly, is the Minister content that a potentially violent
offender has three days to notify the authorities on their return to
the UKas we are told in the regulationsif the orders
are intended to promote the active management of potentially violent
offenders and to help prevent violent reoffending? We do not understand
the point about notification three days after return. Surely it is at
the point of return to the UK that the risk may be highest, yet law
enforcement might not even necessarily know. We are relying on a
violent offender voluntarily making that information
available.
That leads to
the question of knowing when an offender has returned if they have not
made the correct notification before they leave. What arrangements does
the Minister propose through border checks and
MAPPAmulti-agency public protection
arrangements to cover a situation in which an
individual subject to a VOO does not notify the authorities of their
return to the UK? How will the police know that a breach has
been triggered? Does the Minister anticipate that there will be some
form of watch list at ports in respect of offenders subject to VOOs who
might return to the UK
unannounced?
On
the second part of the regulations, will the Minister explain why it
was ever thought appropriate that someone of no fixed abode subject to
a VOO should have been required to notify the police of their personal
information only annually, as suggested by paragraph 7.4 of the
explanatory memorandum? It is hardly surprising that the memorandum
goes on to explain that the change of obligation from annual to weekly
is
to
enable the police to have more frequent contact with a person who has
no fixed abode and enable more effective monitoring of
them.
Will
the Minister explain in what circumstances he believes it would be
appropriate for a VOO to be issued to someone of no fixed abode? How is
he satisfied that appropriate MAPPA arrangements can be put in place in
such
circumstances?
When
VOOs were debated during the passage of the 2008 Act, Her
Majestys Opposition made it clear that there was no convincing
evidence that the orders would work, and that the focus should be on
ensuring that criminal sanctions and sentences were effective and that
the public were fully protected, rather than on establishing new
legislative processes that blurred the distinctions between the civil
and criminal fields and between fundamental rights. We remain of that
view. Although we do not propose to divide the Committee on provisions
that are largely technical, we are not convinced of the merits of VOOs
and the regulations as set out today. If the Government were serious
about preventing violent crime, they would do much better to focus on
keeping prisoners in custody by scrapping their early release scheme,
rather than letting offenders at risk of committing violence out into
the community, however stringent the terms of any VOO might be and
whatever notification requirements might be
added.
I
look forward to hearing the Ministers response to some of those
specific
questions.
10.43
am
Susan
Kramer (Richmond Park) (LD): I welcome the move to require
individuals who have been issued with a violent offender order to
inform the authorities of their movements if they are to leave the
country for more than three days. I further welcome the requirement
that they inform the authorities on their return. It is a step in the
right direction, but the Liberal Democrats argue that the Government do
not go far enough. I encourage the Government to consider implementing
the same standard of supervision for violent offenders as is currently
afforded to sex offenders. That would further reduce the risk to the
public from dangerous individuals who potentially will
reoffend.
Although
we support the measure, albeit we would like it to go further, we need
to ensure that VOOs catch people who endanger the public, and it is not
entirely clear which category of offender is likely to be caught by
VOOs. We would like clarification of that if the Minister would be kind
enough to provide
it.
I
have a question on a more personal basis about how the regulations
relate to people who havethe official word would not be
offendedcarried out acts of violence
but are then dealt with through the mental health system. I draw the
Ministers attention to the case of Percy Wright, who killed his
partner but was dealt with through the mental health framework rather
than through the criminal framework and is now back in the community
under supervision and with restrictions. I am not clear about how the
two systems would work together given the potential for confusion, and
whether one is more effective than the other. I assume that those
issues have been considered, but we could certainly use some
clarification. I am concerned that people who have done something such
as kill their partner because of mental illness should at least be
subject to some form of long-term monitoring and supervision system. It
is not clear what role the new orders will play in all
that.
Given
the success of the sex offenders register in enabling authorities to
keep track of individuals, we struggle to understand why the Government
do not extend the reporting requirements so that the offenders register
applies to all individuals subject to a violent offender order. That
would prevent information on the national database from going out of
date. At present, only individuals with violent offender orders
currently on probation or on licence are subject to the ongoing
reporting requirements.
Proper
supervision and support are critical to preventing individuals from
reoffending once they have served their sentence or been released from
psychiatric care. Do the Government recognise that if violent offenders
are not subject to the same reporting requirements as sex offenders, we
are likely to continue to have preventable tragedies such as that of
the murdered banker John Monckton, who was stabbed by a man who had
been released early from prison, or 16-year-old Mary-Ann Leneghan, who
was tortured by six men, four of whom were on probation at the
time?
I understand
that the Government are finally prepared to implement exit and entry
checks for that small section of society, but how will they do so when
they do not have a broader system of entry and exit checks? Would this
not be the opportunity to recognise that entry and exit checks would
make sense for all individuals who come into and leave the country?
Whether or not that made the immigration system more effective, it
would certainly enable the system of managing violent offenders to be
more effective.
Lastly, I
understand that there has been no impact assessment as there is no
foreseen impact on the private or voluntary sectors, but surely there
are significant implications for the public sector. Has there been some
assessment of that impact, and will the Minister share it with
us?
10.48
am