The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Burt,
Lorely
(Solihull)
(LD)
Challen,
Colin
(Morley and Rothwell)
(Lab)
Cox,
Mr. Geoffrey
(Torridge and West Devon)
(Con)
Fisher,
Mark
(Stoke-on-Trent, Central)
(Lab)
Foster,
Michael Jabez
(Hastings and Rye)
(Lab)
Gibson,
Dr. Ian
(Norwich, North)
(Lab)
Gray,
Mr. James
(North Wiltshire)
(Con)
Hemming,
John
(Birmingham, Yardley)
(LD)
Holloway,
Mr. Adam
(Gravesham)
(Con)
Kemp,
Mr. Fraser
(Houghton and Washington, East)
(Lab)
Pearson,
Ian
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Business,
Enterprise and Regulatory
Reform)
Prisk,
Mr. Mark
(Hertford and Stortford)
(Con)
Stuart,
Ms Gisela
(Birmingham, Edgbaston)
(Lab)
Ward,
Claire
(Vice-Chamberlain of Her Majesty's
Household)
Wright,
Mr. Anthony
(Great Yarmouth)
(Lab)
Wright,
Jeremy
(Rugby and Kenilworth)
(Con)
Eliot Wilson, Committee
Clerk
attended the
Committee
Third
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Monday 11 May
2009
[David
Taylor in the
Chair]
Financial
Assistance to
Industry
6.30
pm
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Business, Enterprise and
Regulatory Reform (Ian Pearson): I beg to
move,
That
the Committee has considered the motion, That this House authorises the
Secretary of State to undertake to pay, by way of financial assistance
under section 8 of the Industrial Development Act 1982, in respect of
the Scrappage Scheme, sums exceeding £10 million and up to a
cumulative total of £300 million to vehicle
manufacturers for the assistance of the automotive
industry.
It
is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr.
Taylor.
Mr.
Mark Prisk (Hertford and Stortford) (Con): On a point of
order, Mr. Taylor. Car scrappage is an important issue that
will affect every one of our constituents. I do not seek to challenge
this Minister, but there is a problem. Although we are expected to
consider the issue, we will be able to do so properly only if we know
what the details are. There is no written material to support the
motion. Can you tell me whether that is in order and whether this is an
appropriate procedure? If it is, I wish to record my concern that the
House is not able to do its job properly, because I think that the
procedure is at fault.
The
Chairman: The hon. Gentleman did me the courtesy of saying
that he was going to raise that point of order just before the start of
our proceedings. What I said to him then I will now say publicly: his
concerns will be on record and they will be part of the minutes that
will eventually go back to the House. He might want to make a similar
point at a later time.
Ian
Pearson: As hon. Members will be aware, this is a very
challenging time for the automotive industry and the automotive supply
chain. The car production figures for March were down 51.3 per cent. on
March 2008, while commercial vehicle output was down 57.1 per cent. The
number of new cars sold in the United Kingdom last month was the lowest
since 1993 and the 11th consecutive monthly decline in new car sales.
Given the sharp decline in sales, we see that vehicle manufacturing,
the associated supply chain and automotive retailing are under extreme
pressure. Jobs are at risk, and there have already been job losses to
date.
Mr.
Fraser Kemp (Houghton and Washington, East) (Lab): Is my
hon. Friend aware that, last Friday, Nissan Motor Manufacturing (UK)
rang me, as its constituency Member of Parliament, to say that 150 new
jobs will be created in my constituency to deal with the anticipated
spike in production that the company will face as a result of the
proposed scrappage scheme?
Ian
Pearson: I am well aware of Nissans announcement
that it is taking on temporary workers as a result of the UK scrappage
scheme and other European-wide scrappage schemes. It is also bringing
back the weekend shift system, which is greatly to be welcomed in the
north-east. That demonstrates the importance of the scrappage schemes
that are being introduced throughout
Europe.
I
draw attention to the fact that 180,000 people are employed in
automotive manufacturing, with a further 200,000 in the wider
manufacturing and services supply chain. The retail, service and
distribution part of the sector also employs 500,000 people. The sector
is strategically important for the UK economy and the Government are
determined that the car sector remains an important part of our
manufacturing base in the future. As was announced in the Budget, the
Government plan to introduce a car and van scrappage scheme to support
the sector, and £300 million has been allocated to finance the
scheme.
Under
the scrappage scheme, motorists will be offered a discount of
£2,000 on a new car, or van of up to 3.5 tonnes, if
they trade in for scrappage a vehicle that they have owned for 12
months or more that is older than 10 years. The £2,000 grant is
made up of £1,000 from the Government, with a minimum of
£1,000 matched by industry. The scheme will operate from 18 May
until March 2010, or until the Government funding has been used up. The
scheme is voluntary, so not all manufacturers or dealers may choose to
participate. However, the majority of manufacturers have already signed
up, and new ones are signing up daily.
The decision
to implement a scrappage scheme was taken after careful consideration
of car industry proposals, lessons learned from other European schemes,
and concerns about the impact of such a scheme on other sectors of the
economy. We have endeavoured to introduce the best possible scheme to
help the automotive sector while ensuring that we look after
taxpayers interests properly and minimise impacts elsewhere in
the economy. It is important that we get that balance
right.
Mr.
Adam Holloway (Gravesham) (Con): Has the Minister
considered the effect on the used car
market?
Ian
Pearson: We certainly have given that consideration. If
the hon. Gentleman wants to make a speech and raise further questions,
I shall happily answer those when I respond to the
debate.
Under
section 8 of the Industrial Development Act 1982, the Government are
required to seek parliamentary approval for financial assistance when
the sums exceed £10 million. There are several reasons why the
motion should be approvedmy hon. Friend the Member for Houghton
and Washington, East has just mentioned the positive impact for Nissan
that has come just from announcing the measure. Its primary purpose is
to provide a boost to new car sales to help the industry in the current
downturn. We expect that the scrappage scheme will have an immediate
and positive effect on sales of new cars.
That has been
the experience in other EU member states. In Germany, new car sales
were up 40 per cent. year on year in March, while in France they were
up 8 per cent. New car sales in the UK were down 30 per
cent. year on year in March. I enter a caveat to those
numbers, because the German scheme was particularly generous and came
after a period of depressed demand. We would perhaps expect the UK
experience to be more in line with that of France, although clearly
there are uncertainties when a new scheme is introduced.
Increased
demand for vehicles will contribute to improved trading conditions for
the motor industry along the entire supply chain. The scheme will
naturally bring forward some sales that would eventually occur in the
future, but there might be an offsetting adjustment down the line.
However, the industry has made it clear that it needs real help now,
and it is likely that it will be able to cope better with any
correction later because trading conditions will improve in due course
in line with the economy as a
whole.
Although
new vehicle sales represent only about 25 per cent. of all
vehicle sales activitythe balance is accounted for by sales of
used vehiclesand only retailers of new cars and vans will
benefit, there is already anecdotal evidence that the prospect of a
scrappage scheme is sparking renewed interest and footfall in all
vehicle dealerships. I hope that second-hand dealerships will recognise
that.
Helping to
stimulate the market will have the benefit of getting money moving
around the whole system. There are also some secondary benefits to a
scrappage schemereplacing the ageing car fleet with newer, more
fuel-efficient models should create a modest environmental benefit.
However, the scheme is primarily designed to boost the automotive
industry and restore consumer confidence, not as an environmental
measure.
Mr.
Prisk: Will the Minister confirm exactly what the
environmental standards are? What is not included for a new car
purchase?
Ian
Pearson: There is no restriction on car purchases under
the scheme, other than that the cars should be new. We are not
restricting this to the UKwe cannot for competition reasons.
The scheme is for new cars when there is trade-in on a scrappage
certificate, and the Government £1,000 will be matched by
dealers.
We
think that scrappage will also have road safety benefits. For instance,
the AA has produced analysis suggesting that a scrappage scheme would
save lives because there could be up to 380 fewer fatal accidents a
year, given the dramatic improvements in car safety technology in the
past 10 years. Obviously, the Department for Transport has an interest
in this area and agrees that there are safety benefits. It is
undertaking a consultation on improving road safety in Great Britain
beyond
2010.
The
scheme is important for the automotive industry and will deliver a
short-term boost, which is needed by the sector, that is time-limited,
financially capped and proportionate so as to minimise impacts on other
parts of the economy. In addition to that economic benefit, it could
have a number of other benefits. I commend the motion to the
Committee.
6.40
pm
Mr.
Prisk: I welcome you to the Chair, Mr. Taylor,
and look forward to your firm but fair guidance. I thank the
Minister for his opening remarks.
We value the
automotive industry, which generates a wealth of skilled jobs. Some
800,000 people are directly or indirectly employed by that industry,
which generates some £10 billion or so in the United Kingdom
economy. From talking to the industry, I understand that even today
some 2,000 automotive component manufacturers are part of an industry
that utilises a number of crucial technological skillsfor
example in the design, development and production of car engines. The
sector is therefore important to the economy and many communities
represented by hon. Members, and that is why we recognise the need for
tax-efficient and economically effective schemes that can help the
industry to survive in the short term and sooner or later, we hope,
prosper as we come out of the recession. We genuinely hope that the
scheme will be effective and that it stimulates additional car sales in
the way in which the Minister
suggested.
I
raised my point of order with you, Mr. Taylor, because there
are important questions of detail that we should, as part of our
parliamentary responsibilities, try to tease out from the Minister. It
would help Committee members if some written facts accompanied the
motion. However, I suspect that this situation it is not the
Ministers failure, but the systems. I register that
point with you, Mr. Taylor, and hope that the House will
note
it.
As
the Minister said, a simpler and somewhat more generous scheme was
introduced in Germany in January. Under that scheme, consumers
scrapping a car that is more than nine years old receive a
€2,500 discount. To date, there has been a 35 per cent. to 40
per cent. increase in sales and, last month, the German Government
announced that they would extend the scheme because they had initially
received applications from some 1.2 million people. That
scheme is clearly working but, as the Minister said, the scheme here
will be different. The UK Government are offering a £1,000
discount with the same again expected from the industry, which will
cost the automotive sector some £300 million. Does the Minister
accept that the industry has already had to start withdrawing existing
discounts to pay for the scheme, which is leaving the consumer no
better off in many
cases?
Some
people have reported that, in the last month, prices have started to
creep up in expectation of the scheme, because manufacturers will have
to use the money that they would otherwise have used to offer their
existing discounts. The danger is that those with cars less than 10
years old are being left worse off. I suspect that that is one reason
why the scheme is reported to be unpopular with the car-buying public.
A survey at the weekend by Parkers Car Price
Guide showed that some 81 per cent. of car buyers would not seek to
use the scheme. That is only one survey, and others will be carried out
in the weeks to come, but why does the Minister think that the public
who responded to that survey have rejected the scheme? A quote from one
of those surveyedJulia Smith, who lives in
Basingstokewas reported by BBC
News:
In
practice this scheme is just not working...I think it just hasn't
been thought through terribly
well.
So
there are issues of practicality. That woman has gone not for a new
car, but for a nearly-new car. Again, there is a question of
distortions.
I should like
to draw the attention of the Minister and hon. Members to the Treasury
Committees report on the Budget, which showed that the scheme
was potentially distorting and costly. Using the Treasurys own
figures, the Committee noted that fewer than one third of the projected
300,000 sales would be additional to those already planned. Given that
86 per cent. of those sales are expected to involve imports, the
Committee concluded that only between 12,600 and 14,000 new
British-made vehicles might benefit from the scheme. It
concluded:
If
the Governments £300 million of funding supported the
sale of only an extra 12,600 new British-made vehicles, this is the
equivalent of spending more than £23,000 on each
vehicle...It demonstrates that a considerable amount of the
£300 million funding could be spent on supporting sales of
foreign-manufactured cars that would have happened
anyway.
Given
that, why do the Government regard the scheme as good value for
taxpayers?
Scrappage
schemes in Germany, France and Italy all include strict environmental
standards but, as the Minister has just told us, the Government have
not included such standards. You, Mr. Taylor, could
therefore get rid of your old Mini or VW PoloI am making an
assumption here, but we live in an age of close scrutiny, so I am sure
that you drive nothing more grand than that. Those cars have fuel
efficiencies of about 40 miles per gallon, and their carbon emissions
are roughly 160 grams per kilometre, so they are pretty clean, although
they are getting on a bitthe cars, I hasten to
add.
Under
the scheme, you could scrap that car, Mr. Taylor, and buy a
Hummer. As I suspect you know, a Hummer is a somewhat larger vehicle.
It is an ex-US military vehicle, with a fuel efficiency of half that of
the Polo or the Mini and carbon emissions of twice theirs. Therefore,
although the Minister said that one benefit of the scheme was
environmental, we have a peculiar situation in which people could get
rid of cleaner cars to buy cars that were dirtier in terms of fuel
efficiency and carbon emissions. Given the Governments
commitment to cutting carbon emissions, will the Minister explain why
the UK is almost the only country whose scrappage scheme lacks any
environmental
standards?
Michael
Jabez Foster (Hastings and Rye) (Lab): Does the hon.
Gentleman know anyone who is daft enough to do what he
suggests?