The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Mr.
Eric
Martlew
Bacon,
Mr. Richard
(South Norfolk)
(Con)
Beckett,
Margaret
(Derby, South)
(Lab)
Blears,
Hazel
(Salford)
(Lab)
Boswell,
Mr. Tim
(Daventry)
(Con)
Clifton-Brown,
Mr. Geoffrey
(Cotswold)
(Con)
Davey,
Mr. Edward
(Kingston and Surbiton)
(LD)
Heppell,
Mr. John
(Nottingham, East)
(Lab)
Hoey,
Kate
(Vauxhall)
(Lab)
Prosser,
Gwyn
(Dover) (Lab)
Purchase,
Mr. Ken
(Wolverhampton, North-East)
(Lab/Co-op)
Simpson,
Alan
(Nottingham, South)
(Lab)
Steen,
Mr. Anthony
(Totnes)
(Con)
Stringer,
Graham
(Manchester, Blackley)
(Lab)
Swinson,
Jo
(East Dunbartonshire)
(LD)
Thomas,
Mr. Gareth
(Minister of State, Department for
International
Development)
Wright,
Mr. Anthony
(Great Yarmouth)
(Lab)
Glenn McKee, Committee
Clerk
attended the
Committee
Third
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Tuesday 30
June
2009
[Mr.
Eric Martlew in the
Chair]
Draft
European Communities (Definition of Treaties) (Cariforum Economic
Partnership Agreement) Order
2009
10.30
am
The
Minister of State, Department for International Development
(Mr. Gareth Thomas): I beg to move,
That the
Committee has considered the draft European Communities (Definition of
Treaties) (Cariforum Economic Partnership Agreement) Order
2009.
It
is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr.
Martlew.
The
CARIFORUM economic partnership agreement will bring together
14soon, we hope, 15Caribbean nations with the European
Union to promote development-friendly trade. This means that Caribbean
countries will receive duty-free, quota-free access to European Union
markets. Without it some countries would have faced tariffs on up to 25
per cent. of their exports, including critical exports such as bananas.
The EPA allows the Caribbean countries to remove their own tariffs
gradually over 25 years and contains safeguards to protect infant
industries and prevent import
surges.
At
the request of CARIFORUM, the agreement includes provisions on
services. These represent key opportunities for growth in the
Caribbean, particularly in tourism, leisure and the creative
industries. No nation can achieve prosperity by closing its borders to
trade. Bruce Golding, the Prime Minister of Jamaica, has said that the
Caribbeans hopes for growth are inextricably tied to trade and
its ability to penetrate and maintain a position in markets where
demand is greater than it could ever create
itself.
The
duty-free, quota-free access and improved rules of origin provisions of
the EPA will most quickly benefit the Caribbean economies. The
Dominican Republic, for example, is already moving to exploit enhanced
market access for cocoa, bananas and textiles. In the longer term, the
biggest benefits will come from the regional integration that will flow
from all countries in the region signing the
EPA.
In
this financial year, the Department for International Development has
invested £5 million into a new trust fundthe Caribbean
Aid for Trade and Regional Integration Trust Fund, or
CARTFUNDto increase growth and deepen economic
integration.
This
EPA was signed on 15 October last year by all CARIFORUM states except
Guyana and Haiti. Guyana subsequently signed on 20 October. Haiti has
not yet signed the agreement; it has, however, indicated that it
intends to sign, although it has yet to commit to a specific date for
doing so. The current text includes references to Haiti as a country
that is party to the agreement. If it becomes clear that Haiti will not
sign, we would have to amend this statutory instrument.
However, such have been the indications to date that I believe Haiti
wants to sign the EPA. Therefore, I commend the order to the
Committee.
10.32
am
Mr.
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown (Cotswold) (Con): I am grateful to
serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Martlew. I am also
grateful to see the Minister; we go back a long way on this subject. I
note that when we were debating economic partnerships in the European
Scrutiny Committee on 3 December 2007, I said that we were there
further to discuss the signing of an agreement whose end was to enable
the African, Caribbean and Pacific nations to become key players in
international trade and to provide for long-term development, but that
if poorly applied, there was a risk of crippling fledgling industries
and taking away tariff protectionism, robbing these nations of an
important tool of trade development. We Conservatives welcome the
adoption of this agreementthere are six others still to
gobut the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. At that
stage little was known about the impact of EPAs and the future for
those who were taking them on. It seems that only small changes have
been made in the 18 months since the deadline for agreement passed, on
31 December 2007. Today we are discussing implementation of the first
regional
EPA.
Perhaps
the Minister will take the opportunityif not now then in
correspondence, or via documents placed in the Libraryto detail
the progress of not only this EPA but the other six being negotiated
concurrently. The CARIFORUM EPA was initialled, as the Minister said,
on 16 December 2007, and the agreement was signed on 15 October
2008apart from Guyana, which signed on 20 October. I am still
not sure whether Guyana signed on a trade only basis, or for the full
range of goods and services; perhaps the Minister could clarify that
point.
Mr.
Thomas: Guyana has signed up to the whole of the
EPA.
Mr.
Clifton-Brown: I am grateful to the Minister for that
clarification. He also said that Haiti has yet to sign up. I have been
to that nation and it is one of the poorest on earth. I should be
grateful if the Minister gave us a little more information on the
negotiations with Haiti, and particularly on why he is so confident
that it will sign; it would be a waste of time, having brought the
order before the Committee, if we had to introduce an amendment because
it does not sign. That is a critical point. The Minister said that
Guyana has signed up to the full range of goods and services. Will he
explain what steps were taken to get its agreement? Also, what factors
were behind Haitis
feet-dragging?
The
Minister said that the order and the explanatory memorandum state that
no impact assessment has been carried out. Surely an impact assessment
was carried out by the EU itself or by the CARIFORUM nations; I cannot
believe such a far-reaching agreement would be signed without one. The
agreement is to be reviewed in five years time. What form will
that review take and how it will be measured?
Paragraph 4.5
of the explanatory memorandum states:
The
Decision will only be adopted by the Council and the Representatives of
Governments of the Member States once all Member States
parliamentary procedures for ratification of the Agreement are
complete.
Are we in another Lisbon
treaty situation, in that the agreement does not come into effect until
all nation states have ratified? How long does the Minister expect the
ratification of all nation states to
take?
Section 4 of
the order states:
The
Agreement is to be regarded as a Community Treaty as defined in section
1(2) of the European Communities Act
1972.
Is
this setting a precedent, in that the UK Parliament is creating a
treaty through a mere statutory instrument considered by both Houses of
Parliament?
The
SIs purpose is said to be World Trade Organisation-compatible.
Indeed, the history of this agreement, which has emerged from the
Cotonou agreement, is that one of the mid-American states claimed that
the Cotonou agreement was not WTO-compatible, particularly with regard
to bananas. However, my understanding is that from the EPAs
inception, there will be full duty-free and quota-free access to the EU
market regarding bananas. So in effect, the recent ruling of the WTO
dispute panel against the EU preferences granted to ACP banana
exporters will become null and void as far as CARIFORUM banana
exporters are concerned. Since the duty-free preferences will now be
protected under the WTO rules, it seems that the agreements have
somehow got round the WTO ruling against the previous Cotonou
agreement. Perhaps the Minister will explain how that is being done,
whether he is certain that the new EPAs are WTO-compatible and, if so,
what discussions have taken place with the WTO about that
compatibility.
One of the
big sticking-points in many other EPAs is the insistence on inserting
most favoured nation status. I think the Minister will
say that this is causing a problem in some African EPAs. I would be
grateful if he said what discussions have taken place about MFN,
because there are concerns among some Caribbean countries
thatin the light of trade agreements that are beginning to be
negotiated with Canada, for examplethe insertion of an MFN
agreement could hamper north-south negotiations. Having MFN status with
the European Union does not mean that the Caribbean nations are free to
negotiate better terms with anybody else, because under that provision,
they are not allowed to do
so.
Will
the Minister explain why the UK did not seem to be in the group of
nationsDenmark, Germany, the Netherlands and
Irelandthat called for maximum flexibility? Indeed, Denmark and
the Netherlands insisted that it was for the ACP countries themselves
to reach a decision about all the add-ons over and above what was
required by WTO compatibility, such as services, intellectual property,
public procurement and the environment.
Finally, I
turn to an issue that the Minister commented on, but on which I would
be grateful if he expanded. Two years ago, these Caribbean countries
were desperately short of skilled people to negotiate the agreements.
Jamaica was taking the lead, and the civil servant having to deal with
it all said, I am one person having to deal with all these EPAs
and Doha, and I simply do not know which way to turn. What help
have the ACP countries been given in terms of advocacy? This is
important because when these EPAs were being negotiated, some
non-governmental organisations were concerned that small, vulnerable
nations were being bullied by the EU into signing these
agreements.
These EPAs
were supposed to be linked to development assistance, and as we do not
have an impact assessmentor at least, we have not been given
one so farit is very
difficult to judge what level of development assistance would be
applicable in dealing with the potential problems that will be thrown
up by these EPAs. Will the Minister give us some equivalence regarding
the benefits and disadvantages of these EPAs, and say what help the
small and vulnerable nations are being given? That is quite a long list
of questions. I hope the Minister can answer most of them today, but if
he cannot, as always, I would be very grateful if he put the answers in
correspondence in the
Library.
10.42
am
Mr.
Edward Davey (Kingston and Surbiton) (LD): It is a
pleasure to serve on the Committee under your guidance, Mr.
Martlew.
I welcome
this agreement; it takes free trade between the European Union and the
CARIFORUM countries a step further. Given that the previous free trade
agreements were not really working and that exports had not been
increasing from those Caribbean countries into the EU, clearly
something needed to be done. This seems a good way
forward.
I
particularly welcome the fact that the tariffs that are being lowered
in the CARIFORUM countries are decreasing over a period of time. It is
a very progressive period, with 25 years to remove some of the worst
tariffs. I also welcome that that is being done asymmetrically, so that
those countries get access to EU markets with no quotas or tariffs much
more quickly than EU companies do to CARIFORUM markets. I therefore
think that that is very good. There are also other measures of
protectionnot just industry protection measures, but others,
too. Overall, I am happy to give the order a broad welcome, but there
are some concerns, and I hope the Minister will address them in the
same way that he will answer those expressed by the hon. Member for
Cotswold, many of which I agree with.
First, I
should like to take up the hon. Gentlemans point about impact
assessments. I wonder whether the Minister and his officials have
defined impact assessments rather too narrowly. On SIs, we talk about
regulatory impact assessmentsthe impact that an SI will have on
business, the extra costs and so on. It seems as though the Department
said, Well, this isnt a regulatory measure, and
therefore we dont need to have an impact assessment. If
so, I really regret that, because we are talking about the impact not
only on those developing countries and their economies, but on the EU
economy. So it is not necessarily a normal regulatory impact assessment
of a kind that we are used to with such SIs: it is a broader one that
focuses on the actual impact of the policy. Therefore, it is a great
shame that the Committee does not have such an assessment before it. I
am absolutely sure that one has been done, and I do not see why it has
not been tabled for the Committee. I hope that the Ministereven
after we have given our consent to the ordercan ensure that
copies are made available to Members, placed in the Library and
properly publicised. Perhaps the impact assessment is available on a
website and my attention has not been drawn to it, but I hope that the
Minister can assure us that it has been done and give us some of its
highlights. I am sure that he has had access to
it.
I
want to ask some other detailed questions to flag up where the
agreement fits in with UK Government policy. It is clear that economic
partnership agreements are not
uncontroversial. Concerns have been raisednot just by NGOs, but
by development economiststhat EPAs could have damaging impacts
on some developing countries. Earlier, I mentioned that this agreement
provides some protection, with the long roll-out of the reduction in
tariffs and its asymmetric nature. However, the UK has set down various
principles that it wants to be applied to EPAs; for example, that the
developing country itself decides on the timing of the liberalisation,
that it has effective safeguards, or that development assistance comes
with the EPA. Those are UK Government principles, which apply to EPAs.
Is the Minister convinced that the principles that our Government have
set out for EPAs are being met fully and completely, and not just by
the UK but by the whole EU? He can only say so if he sets out the
development assistanceor sums of moneylinked to the
agreement. Those economies will have to adjust over a long period. They
will need support to maximise their ability to take the trade
opportunities that will be provided and to ensure that the businesses
and parts of their economies and societies that will be hit by
liberalisation have some form of protection and are able to move
on.
I am not
clear about the UK Governments financial contribution, let
alone about contributions from the EU and other member states. What
help has been set aside and ring-fenced? It is important that we hear
more detail, so that the countries that have signed up to the
agreementwe have mentioned Haitican have on
the record some guarantees that they will be helped in the adjustment
period.