The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Mr.
David Wilshire
Burt,
Lorely
(Solihull)
(LD)
Caborn,
Mr. Richard
(Sheffield, Central)
(Lab)
Carswell,
Mr. Douglas
(Harwich)
(Con)
Clarke,
Mr. Charles
(Norwich, South)
(Lab)
Davidson,
Mr. Ian
(Glasgow, South-West)
(Lab/Co-op)
Djanogly,
Mr. Jonathan
(Huntingdon)
(Con)
Greenway,
Mr. John
(Ryedale)
(Con)
Hoey,
Kate
(Vauxhall)
(Lab)
Howell,
John
(Henley) (Con)
Ladyman,
Dr. Stephen
(South Thanet)
(Lab)
McFadden,
Mr. Pat
(Minister for Employment Relations and Postal
Affairs)
Miller,
Andrew
(Ellesmere Port and Neston)
(Lab)
Starkey,
Dr. Phyllis
(Milton Keynes, South-West)
(Lab)
Thurso,
John
(Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross)
(LD)
Ward,
Claire
(Vice-Chamberlain of Her Majesty's
Household)Wright,
Jeremy
(Rugby and Kenilworth)
(Con)
Mark Etherton, Committee
Clerk
attended the
Committee
Fifth
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Tuesday 3
March
2009
[Mr.
David Wilshire in the
Chair]
Draft
Employment Tribunals Act 1996 (Tribunal Composition) Order
2009
4.30
pm
The
Minister for Employment Relations and Postal Affairs (Mr.
Pat McFadden): I beg to move,
That the
Committee has considered the draft Employment Tribunals Act 1996
(Tribunal Composition) Order 2009.
It is a
pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr.
Wilshire.
The
order will enable employment tribunal proceedings on payments relating
to leave entitlement under certain working time regulations to be heard
by an employment judge sitting alone. Employment tribunals are usually
heard by a full panel, which consists of a legally qualified employment
judge and two lay members representing the employee and employer
sectors. However, since the mid-1990s, there have been some changes,
and in specific instances, as set out under the Employment Tribunals
Act 1996, an employment judge can sit alone to decide a case.
In August
1996, the implementation of section 4 the Act, which the order amends,
enabled judges to sit alone to hear cases on, for example, breach of
contract and unauthorised deductions from wages. Claims for redundancy
payments were added to the list from 1 August 1998 and
certain national minimum wage claims were also covered from 1 April
1999. So, at the moment, there are four main categories involving
simple monetary matters on which an employment judge can sit alone:
national minimum wage, unlawful deductions from wages, breach of
contract and redundancy
pay.
Todays
order adds a fifth category to that listit is most easily
described as holiday pay. Like the other categories, the new category
covers simple monetary matters and relates to leave entitlements under
the working time regulations. When we consulted on the change, ACAS
said:
Holiday
pay claims share characteristics of other jurisdictions in which cases
can normally be heard by an Employment Judge sitting
alone,
and the council of
employment judges said
that
The
original omission from the list of jurisdictions appears to be an
anomaly.
In
making the change, I must emphasise that the Government value the
immensely important contribution that lay members make to the tribunal
system. They bring an understanding of the realities of the workplace
from employer and employee perspectives that can be extremely valuable
to the process. During the passage of the Employment Act 2008, there
was widespread support in all parties for the role of lay members.
Todays order is not designed to undermine the valuable function
of
lay members in any way, but we want them to be used in cases that are
best suited to their expertise, and not in cases that might not need
their
expertise.
There
are several other reasons for the change. First, Michael Gibbons, in
his independent review of employment dispute resolution, which gave
rise to much of the 1998 Act, asked us to review the
circumstances in which an employment judge sits alone. Straightforward
monetary claims usually involve clear issues of law and require no real
legal deliberation, so this was one type of case in which a lay
members practical experience of the workplace was found to be
less relevant than in other types of case. A follow-up consultation
that the Government ran last year agreed that lay members time
could be more productively spentI mentioned two of the
responses to the
consultation.
Secondly,
the order is part of a package of measures to simplify the dispute
resolution framework. In addition to todays measure, we are
expanding the ACAS confidential and impartial helpline. That will be
available from April to answer specific employment questions and to
provide advice for resolving workplace disputes. For disputes that
employees and employers are unable to resolve by other means, ACAS will
also offer a free pre-claim conciliation service, which can also be
accessed through its
helpline.
Thirdly,
although some might ask about the safeguards and whether it is
appropriate for a judge to hear a case alone, the existing safeguards
that apply to the categories of case on which a judge can sit alone
will also apply in the new category. In other words, an employment
judge must consider the individual circumstances of the cases they hear
and the views of all parties when deciding whether a case should be
heard by a judge sitting alone or by a full tribunal. A judge can also
decide at any stage that a case should be heard by a full tribunal, for
example, if the facts of the case are likely to be disputed. Safeguards
are built in to the measure to ensure that we do not channel
inappropriate cases under the
order.
I
believe that the reform will make a sensible addition to the subjects
that can be heard by a judge sitting alone, and that it will ensure
that the valuable expertise that lay members bring to the tribunal
process is used in cases where their expertise can be made best use of
rather than where it cannot. On that basis, I commend the order to the
Committee.
4.36
pm
Mr.
Jonathan Djanogly (Huntingdon) (Con): The order will
streamline employment tribunal proceedings. Section 4(3) of the
Employment Tribunals Act 1996 is amended by the insertion of new
subsections (ce), (cf), (cg) and (ch), which increases the number of
tribunal proceedings that can be heard by an employment judge alone. As
a result, four new proceedings can be heard by a single judge. They
relate to payments to leave entitlementholiday payunder
working time
regulations.
As
the Minister said, the order comes in the wake of the Gibbons review on
dispute resolution, published in March 2007, which proposed a
simplified dispute resolution process. It represents a shift towards a
less rigid and, hopefully, more efficient adjudication of such
disputes. Although the majority of disputes are settled before reaching
a tribunal, those that reach the tribunal are often lengthy and costly.
As such, the order could help
to ensure that lengthy procedures and their related costs will be cut.
The Gibbons review estimated that the dispute resolution process costs
the Government some £120 million a
year.
Under
the order, a single judge will replace a full panel of three tribunal
members, which includes lay members. It represents part of the shift
towards the more flexible system that we supported during the passage
of the Employment Act 1998. It is also hoped that the removal of two
extra panel members will help to introduce some consistency into
proceedings, particularly in the cases that are heard by professional
employment judges sitting alone. Indeed, typically, holiday pay
disputes are fairly straightforward, and a full panel would normally
add little to the
outcome.
However,
I have looked at a few of the replies to the consultation, and I would
like the Government to provide clarification on a couple of matters.
First, some holiday pay cases are complex. For instance, they could
include the determination of an employee or workers status. In
such cases, would it be beneficial to have the option for a hearing to
be in front of a panel? I think the Minister said that that would be
possible. If so, how would such a decision be
taken?
The
second concern is that the valuable input of lay members may be lost in
certain cases. Does the order risk divorcing the process from everyday
practice? In other words, could having one judge sitting alone make the
process more rather than less technical, as could happen with lay
members?
4.38
pm
Lorely
Burt (Solihull) (LD): I will not delay colleagues unduly
this afternoon. I find very little to argue with in the order, which
seems to be a straightforward and reasonable piece of secondary
legislation.
Like
the hon. Member for Huntingdon, I was concerned whether it would always
be appropriate for a single judge to hear a claim on pay. However, I
have checked, and my understanding is that before a tribunal sits, a
decision will be made on whether it is appropriate for a full tribunal
or single judge to hear the case.
My questions
concern who makes the initial decision. Does the judge make the
decision? Does a separate tribunal judge assess the complexity of the
case and make a decision on whether it is appropriate for a single
judge or a judge with two lay members to hear it? What happens if a
case turns out to have a greater degree of complexity than was
originally thought when it commenced? Would it be possible for lay
members to be convened on another occasion to ensure that the case was
given proper and due
consideration?
I
certainly do not wish unnecessarily to tie up the valuable time of lay
members when a single judge could make a straightforward decision. If
the Minister answers those questions, I will be happy to support the
measure.
4.41
pm
Kate
Hoey (Vauxhall) (Lab): I should like the Minister to
clarify a couple of things. The explanatory memorandum on the measure
is confusing. Paragraph 5
states:
This
instrument applies to Great
Britain,
but
paragraph 9.1 states
that
The
changes planned to the dispute resolution system will have an impact on
all employees and employers in the
UK.
Will
the Minister clarify whether the measure covers Northern
Ireland?
4.42
pm
Mr.
McFadden: The hon. Members for Huntingdon and for Solihull
essentially asked about the safeguards. Let me clarifyperhaps I
was not clear in my opening remarkshow the measure will
work.
If
a case is complexit might involve holiday pay and other
jurisdictionsthe judge can decide to hear it in front of the
full tribunal, with lay members. There is also a safeguard built in
because the judge must take account of the views of the parties. They
also have a say whether a full tribunal is necessary. I do not believe
that the order will mean that cases or the process will be divorced
from reality. We are essentially discussing matters of fact and not
matters of legal
interpretation.
The
hon. Lady asked what happens if a case is more complex than it first
appeared. In such cases, as I said, it would be open to the judge to
decide that the case should be heard by a full tribunal and not by him
sitting
alone.
On
the question asked by my hon. Friend the Member for Vauxhall, the order
does not cover Northern Ireland, but we are working closely with
Northern Ireland officials on such matters. On that basis, I commend
the order to the
Committee.
Kate
Hoey: Does that mean that the guidance in paragraph 9.1 is
wrong?
Mr.
McFadden: If one takes the view that officials in Northern
Ireland might wish to follow practice, it might not be wrong, because
the order could have an influence throughout the United Kingdom.
However, the strict legal coverage of the order is Great Britain, not
the United
Kingdom.
The
Chairman: On the basis that the purpose of the order is to
make things briefer, the Committee has obviously taken the issue to
heart.
Question
put and agreed
to.
Resolved,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Employment Tribunals Act 1996
(Tribunal Composition) Order
2009.
4.44
pm
Committee
rose.