The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Mr. Peter
Atkinson
Battle,
John
(Leeds, West)
(Lab)
Burt,
Lorely
(Solihull)
(LD)
Cawsey,
Mr. Ian
(Brigg and Goole)
(Lab)
Cruddas,
Jon
(Dagenham) (Lab)
Djanogly,
Mr. Jonathan
(Huntingdon)
(Con)
Gummer,
Mr. John
(Suffolk, Coastal)
(Con)
Harris,
Mr. Tom
(Glasgow, South)
(Lab)
Heppell,
Mr. John
(Nottingham, East)
(Lab)
Mactaggart,
Fiona
(Slough)
(Lab)
Rifkind,
Sir Malcolm
(Kensington and Chelsea)
(Con)
Shepherd,
Mr. Richard
(Aldridge-Brownhills)
(Con)
Thurso,
John
(Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross)
(LD)
Ussher,
Kitty
(Burnley)
(Lab)
Watson,
Mr. Tom
(West Bromwich, East)
(Lab)
Winterton,
Ms Rosie
(Minister for Regional Economic Development and
Co-ordination)Wright,
Jeremy
(Rugby and Kenilworth)
(Con)
Ben Williams, Committee
Clerk
attended the
Committee
Sixth
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Tuesday 20
October
2009
[Mr.
Peter Atkinson in the
Chair]
Draft ACAS
Code of Practice: Time off for Trade Union Duties and
Activities
4.30
pm
The
Minister for Regional Economic Development and Co-ordination (Ms Rosie
Winterton): I beg to
move,
That
the Committee has considered the draft ACAS Code of Practice: Time off
for Trade Union Duties and
Activities.
It
is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr.
Atkinson. The draft code of practice has been produced by the Advisory,
Conciliation and Arbitration Service but it must be approved by both
Houses before it can be brought into effect. It was debated and
approved in the other place on 6 July.
The code of
practice provides practical guidance on the application of statutory
rights to time off for trade union representatives and other trade
union members. Those entitlements apply where the trade union in
question is recognised for collective bargaining purposes, and they
cover various types of trade union representative, including shop
stewards, union learning representatives and those union
representatives who are consulted on a one-off basis when large-scale
redundancies or business transfers take
place.
The
code of practice has been in place since 1978. It has been revised on
various occasions since then, to keep up with changes to the law on
time off. However, much of its guidance is unchanged and is now more
than 30 years old. Obviously the world of work has changed a lot in
that time. Working patterns are more diverse; new technology is widely
available and has transformed communications; and the role of union
representatives has also evolved. There is therefore a good case for a
more thorough revision of the code of practice.
That, indeed,
was the key finding of the large-scale review of the facilities and
facility time of workplace representatives that we undertook in 2007.
Consequently, the chair of ACAS was asked in November 2007 to consider
redrafting the code. I am glad to say that the ACAS council readily
agreed to the request, and my fellow Ministers and I appreciate the
councils efforts and the work of ACAS officials in providing
the revised draft for us to consider.
As hon.
Members will know, ACAS is independent of Government and the views of
its council, made up of leading figures in the employment relations
field, carry great weight among practitioners. ACAS produced an initial
draft of the code in December 2008 and put it out to public
consultation. The consultation ended in March this year and 48
responses were received. The code was then redrafted to reflect the
comments.
The substance
of the draft code is before us for consideration and my Department has
circulated a version that identifies the new wording that it contains.
Those passages are underlined. I hope that hon. Members have
received that version directly, but copies have also been placed in the
Libraries.
The revision
has left in place the existing structure of the code and its
description of the legal framework. However, in producing the new
draft, ACAS has made some significant changes to its guidance, and I
will focus on those. As I have already stated, one of the main purposes
of the code is to update the guidance to reflect the modern world of
work. The revised code provides more information about the provision of
cover when employees take time off to undertake their trade union
duties. The issue has increased in importance over the years,
reflecting the increased pressures on individual employees to meet job
and team targets. That can make it difficult for a significant minority
of union representatives to find sufficient opportunities to take time
away from their jobs to undertake their union activities.
The draft
code contains much more guidance than before on accessing facilities in
the workplace. By facilities I mean the provision of
such workplace amenities as rooms, office machinery and stationery. The
draft code also discusses the impact of computers and other IT
equipment on the work of representatives. Such equipment has
transformed the workplace. It also enables representatives to
communicate quickly and cheaply with members and union head offices,
and provides a major portal for representatives to research issues
speedily via the
internet.
There
is considerably more guidance in the code on confidential and sensitive
communications involving union representatives. While representatives
need to feel assured that the employer does not monitor their
communications, workplace security also needs to be guaranteed. There
is, therefore, a delicate balance to be struck and the codes
advice will help parties to develop practical solutions to any problems
that they may
encounter.
The
tasks of trade union representatives are often complex and require
knowledge of the law and workplace practices. Statute has recognised
that fact for many years and entitles representatives to time off to be
trained in their duties. The provision of training has changed a lot in
recent years, as the draft code recognises; no longer is it
predominantly classroom-based. One of the major developments in
todays modern workplace is the ability of employees to take
advantage of e-learning tools. That is now reflected in the draft code,
where previously it was not. The draft code also offers more guidance
to line managers, whose knowledge of the law and employment practices
is, of course, less extensive than that of human resources specialists.
That layer of management is key to the smooth organisation of time off
for representatives. The code therefore discusses their situation and
the support that they need in practice.
The code of
practice has already been through extensive consultation. The other
place and the Joint Committee on Statutory Instruments have approved
it. ACAS has done a very good job updating its guidance for time off
entitlements. Its revised code gives both employers and employees the
sort of practical information that they need to manage their industrial
relations efficiently and effectively. This is a very good new code of
practice, which ACAS has spent some time drawing up, as right hon. and
hon. Members know, with input from both
employers and employee representatives. For those reasons, I strongly
commend the code to the Committee for
approval.
4.37
pm
Mr.
Jonathan Djanogly (Huntingdon) (Con): The code presents no
huge policy issues for us. I appreciate the Ministers having
circulated a copy of the marked-up version, which made it much easier
to read the changes. With whom did the Government consult on the code?
The Minister mentioned with whom ACAS consulted, but not the
Government. It would be of help to know.
It would be
helpful if we had a little more detail on why it was thought necessary
to amend the code; the Minister said that it had been in place for many
years. When one reads a lot of the changes, they seem somewhat
confusing. It is not that the wording is complicatedit is
pretty straightforwardbut I would have thought that some of it
was unnecessary. For instance, the word reasonable is
stuck in a lot throughout the code; there is mention of
reasonable hours worked, reasonable time
off and so forth. Were there unreasonable events that caused
ACAS to believe that the code needed to be
changed?
We
discussed the code with the Engineering Employers Federation and the
Confederation of British Industry, who have not had a great amount to
say on it. The EEF were concerned about whether it could be seen as a
way of imposing further obligations on employers through
soft legislation. I would be grateful if the Minister
could respond to that concern. She referred to new technology, to which
I have seen references. Paragraph 27 refers to e-learning
tools, and the Minister explained that the code had to be changed to
reflect an e-commerce
world.
However,
rather than saying that e-learning tools should be used as an
alternative, it seems that paragraph 27 is saying that they
are no replacement for trade union officials needing time off to go on
normal courses. Perhaps the Minister will comment on whether she feels
that e-learning tools could be used as an aid to introduction to the
work of the union, so that union representatives can undertake more of
their training courses at their place of
work.
4.41
pm
Lorely
Burt (Solihull) (LD): We welcome the revision of the code
in principle. ACAS does a fantastic job, and I am sure that Members
from all parts of the House hope that it will sit down with the postal
workers union later this week to try to resolve some of their
difficulties so that we can avoid strike action.
The Minister
said that the revisions in the draft code before us were underlined.
However, I can only see one underlining on page 21. Will she tell us
what the revisions were and whether the explanatory memorandum might
have been able to outline the difference between the old and new code?
The Minister looks as confused as me. I imagine that that is
probably my fault. It is right that we allow trade union
representatives to get properly trained in this increasingly complex
world. It is right, too, that they get time off for their activities
and for training. I commend some of the excellent work that
is going on in the current economic environment. Trade unions are
working with management to preserve jobs
and ride the recession. Anything that can facilitate that has to be
good. In my constituency, the work of the unions with Land Rover has
resulted in a way to work to the future, which looks very bright
indeed.
4.43
pm
Ms
Winterton: I am a bit worried, because the document that I
was looking at earlier this afternoon had many more underlinings than
the document that appears to be before us, so I can understand the hon.
Ladys concern. On page 53 of the earlier document, whole
sections on e-learning were underlined. If the document before the
Committee has not got the underlining in, then perhaps we could send
the earlier document to her later.
I will try to
set out some of the changes that have been made. First, let me address
the point made by the hon. Member for Huntingdon about who was
consulted. It was ACAS, and not the Government, that consulted on the
code. I understand that 43 people responded to the public consultation,
24 of whom were from trade unions. Nine were from employer bodies. As I
said, the whole idea of the work done by ACAS is to try to find
agreement between employers and trade unions so that they can set out
the new forms of work. Perhaps an answer to the hon. Member for
Solihull is that the underlined version was sent directly to Committee
members through the internal system; that is why it looks slightly
different from the one that is before us. None the less, I will try to
set out some of the changes.
The hon.
Member for Huntingdon asked about the EEF. I have to say that there are
not any changes in legislation. In fact, we will find that the code of
practice provides greater clarification about how important it was to
update it because of changes in the workplace and in technology.
However, it does not require new legislation; it is simply meant to be
helpful.
Some of the
key changes, such as that relating to the role of the line manager,
perhaps reflect some of the differences in the way that work, or
employees, are organised in the workplace. There is a lot of guidance
in the document about how important it is that line managers should
understand the issues surrounding having time off, and how that can in
fact benefit the dialogue between employers and trade unions. In some
instances where the workplace has changedfor example, where
there are smaller work stationsit is important that cover is
given if somebody has time off, so that there is not an effect on other
people in the workplace. That is one of the points made. The idea is to
encourage businesses to use line managers effectively when arranging
time off and, if necessary, when arranging cover for time off, so that,
as I have said, other employees are not
affected.
Mr.
Richard Shepherd (Aldridge-Brownhills) (Con): I am
grateful to the Minister for that. This might sound a dumb question,
but what statutory implications does a code of practice have if, for
example, an employer does not wish to give time off? What sanction is
there in law in relation to a code of
practice?
Ms
Winterton: Neither party can bring a tribunal complaint
simply because the guidance in the code has not been followed. The code
does not change the law, or
of itself introduce new rights or obligations. However, an employee may
bring a complaint before a tribunal if his or her statutory entitlement
to time off has been breached. The code must then be taken into account
by the tribunal in determining any issues on which the codes
guidance is relevant. The importance of the code will ensure that line
managers, for example, understand the importance of time off. That is
why the code has been changed.
The hon.
Member for Huntingdon raised the issue of e-training. It is important
to recognise that many aspects of training can be carried out using new
technology, but that there will also be courses that people need to
leave the workplace to undertake. That can obviously be especially
helpful if, for example, there are discussions about how best practice
has operated in different companies. It is important to be able to use
outside-of-work training, as well as
e-training.
The hon.
Member for Solihull asked where, in particular, change has taken place.
The new code encourages employers to provide access to e-training.
Sometimes that might mean adjusting technology, so that, for example,
an employee can gain access to union sites offering e-training courses.
On confidentiality, the code mentions the need for both employers and
trade unions to be aware of the issue and, in some instances, perhaps
to draw up a protocol, so that employee or trade union representatives
know that their e-mails are
not being monitored. However, at the same time, that may require a
person to gain access to a companys internet
database
Mr.
Tom Watson (West Bromwich, East) (Lab):
Server.
Ms
Winterton: Server, yes. General issues of confidentiality
should, of course, be respected.
I have set
out the major ways in which the code has been updated. I stress that
the provision was, as I have said, drawn up jointly with trade unions
and employers. The hon. Member for Huntingdon raised the issue of what
is reasonable. Again, in the culture that we are trying
to bring in, there would be a dialogue between the trade union and the
employer about what was expected and what was reasonable. However,
there may be circumstances in which that changes. In these difficult
economic times, there have been instances where employers and trade
unions have perhaps had more discussions than usual because of issues
that are difficult to take forward and might require a longer time off.
It is about a culture of negotiation and
discussion.
I
hope that all hon. Members agree that this is a good code of practice.
It was arrived at after lengthy discussions and quite wide-ranging
consultation. I therefore commend it to the
Committee.
Question
put and agreed
to.
4.51
pm
Committee
rose.