The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Mr.
Gary Streeter
Blizzard,
Mr. Bob
(Lord Commissioner of Her Majesty's
Treasury)
Clapham,
Mr. Michael
(Barnsley, West and Penistone)
(Lab)
Duddridge,
James
(Rochford and Southend, East)
(Con)
Fallon,
Mr. Michael
(Sevenoaks)
(Con)
Gauke,
Mr. David
(South-West Hertfordshire)
(Con)
Gerrard,
Mr. Neil
(Walthamstow)
(Lab)
Hendrick,
Mr. Mark
(Preston)
(Lab/Co-op)
Hoyle,
Mr. Lindsay
(Chorley)
(Lab)
Pound,
Stephen
(Ealing, North)
(Lab)
Prosser,
Gwyn
(Dover)
(Lab)
Rifkind,
Sir Malcolm
(Kensington and Chelsea)
(Con)
Rowen,
Paul
(Rochdale) (LD)
Singh,
Mr. Marsha
(Bradford, West)
(Lab)
Timms,
Mr. Stephen
(Financial Secretary to the
Treasury)
Webb,
Steve
(Northavon)
(LD)
Yeo,
Mr. Tim
(South Suffolk)
(Con)
Mr E. Wilson, Ms G.
Holmes-Skelton, Committee
Clerks
attended the
Committee
Seventh
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Wednesday 4
March
2009
[Mr.
Gary Streeter in the
Chair]
Draft Social Security (Contributions) (Re-rating) Order 2009
2.45
pm
The
Financial Secretary to the Treasury (Mr. Stephen
Timms): I beg to
move,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Social Security (Contributions)
(Re-rating) Order
2009.
The
Chairman: With this it will be convenient to consider the
draft Social Security (Contributions) (Amendment No. 2) Regulations
2009.
Mr.
Timms: I bid you an especially warm welcome to the Chair,
Mr. Streeter. This is the first occasion that I have served
under your chairmanship. We will all benefit from the firm but fair
approach for which you are
renowned.
I
am pleased to introduce the orders, both of which deal with the various
national insurance contribution rates and thresholds, hence the reason
for taking them together. I confirm that the provisions under the
regulations and the order are compatible with the European convention
on human rights. All the changes were announced at the time of the
pre-Budget report on 24
November.
Let
me start with the Social Security (Contributions) (Amendment No. 2)
Regulations 2009. I bring to the Committees attention a couple
of minor typographical errors in the preamble to the first instrument.
The document refers incorrectly to section 122(1), whereas it should
read section 5(6). There is a corresponding error a couple of lines
further on in respect of the equivalent Northern Ireland legislation.
We considered whether the statutory instrument should be withdrawn, but
on advice from House authorities concluded that was unnecessary because
the errors do not invalidate or affect its meaning. The errors will be
corrected after the debate and before the final instrument is
made.
In
the 2007 Budget, the then Chancellor announced a package of reforms to
modernise the tax and benefit system. Part of that was changes to
national insurance contributions to align the upper earnings limit with
the level at which higher rate income tax becomes payable, with effect
from 6 April this year. The upper earnings limit is being increased
accordingly from £770 to £844 per week. The
regulations also increase the class 1 lower earnings limit from
£90 to £95 per week. The lower earnings limit is
legislatively linked to the level of the basic state pension and is the
level of earnings at which entitlement to contributory benefits
begins.
Lastly,
the regulations increase the class 1 primary and secondary thresholds
from £105 to £110 per week, which is broadly in line with
prices. Earnings between the primary threshold and the upper earnings
limit are liable to main rate employee contributions of 11 per
cent. Earnings above the upper earnings limit are subject to the
additional employee rate of 1 per cent. Employers pay contributions at
12.8 per cent. on all earnings above the secondary
threshold.
Steve
Webb (Northavon) (LD): The Minister said that higher rate
taxpayers such as us in this room will pay additional national
insurance above the current upper earnings limit across a fairly wide
additional band. Will he clarify what impact that will have on the
state second pension accruals of people who have not contracted out,
and what the public expenditure consequence will
be?
Mr.
Timms: I do not have such figures with me, but I shall be
happy to drop the hon. Gentleman a line to give him that
information.
The
second instrument sets the national insurance contribution rates and
thresholds for self-employed people and those paying voluntary
contributions. For self-employed people, it raises the small earnings
exception below which the self-employed may claim exemption from class
2 contributions. The exception will rise in April from £4,825 to
£5,075 per year, an increase broadly in line with prices. Many
people choose to pay those contributions to protect their benefit
entitlement. The rate of class 2 contributions for 2009-10 will rise
from £2.30 to £2.40 per week, which again is broadly in
line with prices.
The order
also sets the profits limits between which main rate class 4
contributions are paid. The lower limit at which those contributions
become due will increase broadly in line with inflation, from
£5,435 to £5,715 per year. At the other end of the scale,
the upper profits limit will continue to match the upper earnings limit
for employees. It will rise to align with the point at which higher
rate tax is payable as part of the package announced in the 2007
Budget. The upper profits limit will increase to £43,875 for the
2009-10 tax year. That ensures that the self-employed pay main rate
class 4 contributions on much the same range of earnings as employers
liable for class 1 contributions. That contributes to the fairness of
the national insurance
system.
The
order also deals with the weekly rate of voluntary class 3
contributions, which help those with insufficient contribution records
in any given tax year to make up a qualifying year for benefit
purposes. The rate of class 3 contributions will increase from
£8.10 per week to £12.05 per week from April, which is
clearly well above the rate of inflation. That is a consequence of
changes made in the Pensions Act 2008 to allow contributors who meet
certain conditions to pay class 3 contributions outside the existing
time limits to improve their basic state pensions. It was made clear
when an amendment was introduced in response to an initiative by
Baroness Hollis in the other place that the measure was to be overall
cost-neutral, and that that would require the weekly class 3
contribution rates to be increased accordingly.
The review of
contribution rates is accompanied by a report from the Government
Actuary setting out the effects of the order and regulations, and the
draft uprating of benefits order laid by my right hon. Friend the
Secretary of State for Work and Pensions. What are the effects on the
national insurance fund? There is no expectation that the fund will
need a Treasury grant for the 2009-10 tax year.
Northern
Ireland has a separate national insurance scheme from Great Britain,
but the two are closely co-ordinated and maintain parity of
contribution rates. The draft order and regulations cover both Great
Britain and Northern Ireland, and I commend them to the
Committee.
2.53
pm
Mr.
David Gauke (South-West Hertfordshire) (Con): It is a
pleasure to serve under your chairmanship for the first time,
Mr.
Streeter.
I
am grateful to the Minister for setting out some of the background to
the two measures. As he stated, an understanding of the order begins
with the 2007 Budget, in which the then Chancellor proposed an
alignment of the starting points of income tax and national insurance
contributions, and the upper earnings limit and the starting rate of
higher rate income tax. To do that, the Government considered it
necessary to amend primary legislation.
I served on
the Public Bill Committee that considered the National Insurance
Contributions Act 2008. Various amendments were made to the measure,
one of which abolished a safeguard on changes in the upper earnings
limit, namely the ratio between the primary threshold and the upper
earnings limit. Instead, the affirmative procedure now applies to the
upper earnings limit, hence the order and the regulations. During the
passage of the 2008 Act, I was concerned that it could be possible to
raise substantially the upper earnings limit of national insurance
through secondary legislation, or indeed, to abolish the upper earnings
limitLabour party policy during the 1992 general election.
Whereas a substantial change, or any change, to income tax requires
primary legislation and the procedures must go through the Finance
Bill, theoretically it would have been possible to do that merely in
secondary legislation. I put that point on several occasions to the
Ministers predecessor, the right hon. Member for Liverpool,
Wavertree, and she gave repeated assurances that the reason for
changing the system from having a ratio to a new system of affirmative
procedure was purely to facilitate the alignment between the upper
earnings limit and the starting point of higher rate income tax. I
would be grateful if the Minister could reassert that that is the
Governments
policy.
In
the course of the proceedings of the Act I argued that assurances took
us only so far. It would be helpful if the Minister could reassure the
Committee that the Government have no intention of using that weakened
safeguard to increase the upper earnings limit well above the starting
rate of income tax. I note the comments made by the Minister that it
remains part of the policy of alignment, but I seek further
clarification.
An aspect of
the 2007 Budget that I suspect comes more readily to the minds of
members of the CommitteeI also suspect that historians of the
Government will pay it much attentionwas the proposal by the
then Chancellor to abolish the 10p rate of income tax. That policy
resulted in 5.3 million households being worse off, many of them at the
poorest end of society, for the purposes of no more than political
positioning. That is relevant to these proceedings because on 13 May
2008 the Government were forced to introduce an emergency package of
measures to try to compensate many, although not all, of the 5.3
million households that had lost out.
As a
consequence of that package, personal allowances were increased, but
the Chancellor stated that people on higher earnings had not
particularly lost out as a consequence of the abolition of the 10p rate
and should therefore not benefit from the increase in personal
allowances, so the threshold for higher rate income tax was lowered in
that proposal on 13 May 2008. Consequently, the alignment at the bottom
level between the point at which people started paying income tax and
the point at which they started paying national insurance contributions
no longer applied. As is clear in the explanatory notes, that is
accepted.
I
am not clear, so I ask my question in a genuine spirit of inquiry,
precisely where the Government are on the alignment of the starting
point of the higher rate of income tax and the upper earnings limit. Is
it Government policy that the two work together? If so, how do the
changes in the threshold for higher rate income tax fit in? Have the
Government changed their intention as far as the upper earnings limit
is concerned? Is there alignment and will it continue? Can the Minister
clarify Government policy and reassure the Committee what their
intentions
are?
I
turn briefly to the Social Security (Contributions) (Re-rating) Order
2009. I had the pleasure of serving on the Committee that dealt with
the equivalent 2008 order. One point that was raised in that Committee
was that the various changes to contributions aim broadly to replicate
changes in pricesas the Minister said. I am sure that he will
correct me if I am wrong, but the reference point for prices in these
circumstances is the level of the retail prices index in September of
the previous year, which was, I believe, 5 per cent.
Because we
are looking at cash terms, and increases tend to be rounded to the
nearest 10p or so, it is never a precise replication. For example, the
increase for class 2self-employed
personscontributions, from £2.30 to £2.40, is an
increase of 4.34 per cent. As the Minister said, class 3 is somewhat
different because of the Pensions Act. We are seeing an increase of
just under 50 per cent. in that case. As for class 4, the contribution
for self-employed earners is in addition to class 2, and the levels are
increased by 5.15 per cent. The upper level is increased by 9.57 per
cent., because of the changes in the upper earnings limit.
The point
made last year by the Liberal Democrat spokesman, the hon. Member for
Taunton (Mr. Browne), and I was that the rounding mechanism
is imprecise. As a consequence, it is possible that over a number of
years, the rounding will always mean that the increase may be above or
below the relevant rate of inflation. There is an argument for looking
at the rate of inflation over a period of time, because what might be
the correct increase in any one year may cumulatively prove to be
incorrect and move us away from an accurate reflection of changes in
prices. That point was made to the Ministers predecessor and I
put it to him again today.
I referred a
moment ago to the fact that RPI is used as the relevant mechanism.
Since September 2008 we have seen a dramatic fall in RPI; it was 5 per
cent. in September and the most recent figures suggest that it is now
0.1 per cent. That has costs and benefits to the Exchequer. My question
to the Minister is what will happen if, as is widely predicted, RPI is
a negative figure in September 2009? Will it mean that social security
contributions could be reduced? The same test
applies to benefits that are paid out, but it might be helpful for the
Committee to know what the Governments policy would be in the
event that we have a negative RPI figure. I am not aware that we have
had a negative RPI figure for as long as we have been doing things in
this way, but if we do, what will happen? It would be helpful to know
if benefits and contributions would be reduced, and if not, why
not?
Subject to
those questions, we have no objections to the particular changes. I am
grateful to the Minister for highlighting the typographical error. It
would be wrong for me to say that I had spotted itI do not want
to mislead the Committee. We do not have objections to the measures
going ahead on that basis and, subject to those comments, we
support the
orders.
3.4
pm
Steve
Webb (Northavon) (LD): This is my first opportunity of
serving under your chairmanship, Mr. Streeter. It is a great
privilege and I hope it is the first of many such privileges.
I was
interested in the comments made by the hon. Member for South-West
Hertfordshire. The record will show that he has just asked whether if
inflation is negative, contributions and benefits will be cut and if
not, why not? I understand him to be saying that in the event of his
assuming power at some point he would be trying to cut the state
retirement pension as one of his first
acts.