The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Mr.
Peter Atkinson
Ainsworth,
Mr. Peter
(East Surrey)
(Con)
Baron,
Mr. John
(Billericay)
(Con)
Crausby,
Mr. David
(Bolton, North-East)
(Lab)
Harvey,
Nick
(North Devon)
(LD)
Jones,
Mr. Kevan
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for
Defence)
Joyce,
Mr. Eric
(Falkirk)
(Lab)
Linton,
Martin
(Battersea)
(Lab)
Meale,
Mr. Alan
(Mansfield)
(Lab)
Murrison,
Dr. Andrew
(Westbury)
(Con)
Rennie,
Willie
(Dunfermline and West Fife)
(LD)
Roy,
Mr. Frank
(Lord Commissioner of Her Majesty's
Treasury)
Sharma,
Mr. Virendra
(Ealing, Southall)
(Lab)
Stuart,
Ms Gisela
(Birmingham, Edgbaston)
(Lab)
Stuart,
Mr. Graham
(Beverley and Holderness)
(Con)
Turner,
Mr. Andrew
(Isle of Wight)
(Con)
Wright,
Mr. Anthony
(Great Yarmouth)
(Lab)
Liam Laurence Smyth,
Committee Clerk
attended
the Committee
Seventh
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Wednesday 15
July
2009
[Mr.
Peter Atkinson in the
Chair]
Draft
Armed Forces (Civilian Courts Dealing with Service Offences)
(Modification of the Criminal Justice Act 2003) Regulations
2009
2.30
pm
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Defence (Mr.
Kevan Jones): I beg to
move,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Armed Forces (Civilian Courts
Dealing with Service Offences) (Modification of the Criminal Justice
Act 2003) Regulations
2009.
The
Chairman: With this it will be convenient to consider the
draft Court Martial (Prosecution Appeals) Order 2009 and the draft
Armed Forces (Court Martial) Rules
2009.
Mr.
Jones: May I say what a pleasure it is to serve under your
chairmanship, Mr.
Atkinson?
These
are the final three statutory instruments that need to be debated
before the Armed Forces Act 2006 can be brought into force. On the
court martial rules, the 2006 Act establishes a standing court martial,
replacing the current system of ad hoc courts martial that are convened
for trying individual offences. The rules of procedure for the new
standing court are set out in the Armed Forces (Court Martial) Rules
2009 and broadly follow the rules that apply in the civilian system.
However, they also reflect the different make-up of the court martial,
involving a civilian judge, known as a judge advocate, and lay members,
who are usually officers or warrant
officers.
The
2006 Act gives the court administration officer alone the discretion to
select lay members. There is no power to fetter that discretion by
setting down rules that seek to impose on him the membership of the
boards in different types of cases. Most trials in the court martial
involve a single defendant or co-defendant from the same service. In
such circumstances, the court administration officer will select the
lay members from the same service as the defendant or defendants.
However, where a trial involves defendants from a different service,
the court administration officers policy is to select lay
members from each service from which there is also a defendant. We had
a long discussion on that area in relation to the Bill. The rules have
been the subject of extensive consultation with the services
themselves, the Director of Service Prosecutions and the Judge Advocate
General, who has confirmed in a letter to the Minister for the Armed
Forces that he is satisfied with
them.
The
Armed Forces (Civilian Courts Dealing with Service Offences)
(Modification of the Criminal Justice Act 2003) Regulations 2009 are
being made under section 271 of the 2006 Act. In rare circumstances, a
civilian court may try and sentence a member of the armed
forces for a service offence. The main offences involve failure by
members of the reserve forces to attend for duty. A civilian court is
also able to deal with members of the armed forces who act in breach of
a service community order imposed by a service
court.
The
aim of the regulations is to ensure that the service offender is
sentenced in a comparable manner to a civilian being sentenced for a
civilian offence. If a service offender being sentenced has committed
the service offence while released from service custody, the civilian
court must take that aggravating factor into account in the same way as
it would where a civilian commits an offence while on bail. On the same
basis, the civilian court can give credit for the period in which an
offender was kept in service custody since being charged, in the same
way as it can give credit for a period of remand in civilian
custody.
The
Court Martial (Prosecution Appeals) Order 2009 provides for the
prosecution to appeal against rulings made in court martial trials
where, if the ruling is not overturned, the accused will have to be
acquitted. An example of that would be where the prosecution wants more
time to produce a witness who is vital to the continuation of the
trial, but the court refuses to allow more time. These powers and
procedures closely follow those of the civilian system. The order also
makes provision for the offence of contravention of reporting
restrictions. It replaces and revokes two earlier statutory instruments
which contained similar provisions, in order to align the provisions
with the scheme and language of the 2006 Act.
There is one
small matter in connection with the order that I should like to draw to
the Committees attention. Article 26(2)(b) of the order refers
to a single judge of the Court-Martial Appeal Court,
which should be a reference to the full court. It is
clear from the context that this is a straightforward error and there
is no room for doubt about the intended purpose and effect of the
provision. My Department therefore intends to correct this small error
at the printing stage. I mention it here so that hon. Members with an
interest in the subject are aware of the
correction.
I
should like to make a further observation about the order. The
Government have given an undertaking that Ministers moving instruments
subject to affirmative procedure will tell the House whether they are
satisfied that the legislation is compatible with the rights provided
under the European convention on human rights. We believe that the
three orders that we are considering today are compatible with those
rights.
In
conclusion, the orders are a fundamental and important part of the work
that is being done to bring the Armed Forces Act 2006 into force this
October. The eight affirmative orders that have been considered over
the course of the three debates are very detailed. That is to be
expected as they add a further level of detailed primary legislation,
which itself is a considerable piece of work. They also replace a much
greater volume of primary and secondary legislation, as well as
replacing the three separate systems of law with a single one. Together
they set out a comprehensive system for service law. I am confident
that they will serve the armed forces well in the years to
come.
2.38
pm
Dr.
Andrew Murrison (Westbury) (Con): The Opposition are
broadly content with this range of measures, as we were with the
previous measures. I congratulate the Minister on his tenacity in
sticking with all this over a period of five years as a Minister and a
Back Bencher during the Committee stage. He can truly claim this set of
measures as his own. We might even name them after him and he will have
immortality in this place. Perhaps this will be his
Bill.
As
I understand it, the post-charge custody will equate to remand on bail
under these measures and bail will equate to charge and release from
service custody. We are considering a range of measures that will
essentially equilibrate civilian and military practice, bringing the
two very much in line, and also close the gap between the three
services and the way they approach disciplinary measures. That is to be
welcomed.
The
Minister mentioned the lay membership of courts martial and stated that
if there is a single defendant, lay members should be members of the
same service. I am not quite clear whether they must or should be
members of the same service. I should be grateful for the
Ministers clarification. I make no particular judgment as to
whether they should or should not be. We are considering a closing of
the disciplinary measures for the services and we are experiencing a
great deal of closer working between the three armed forces. It seems
perhaps increasingly unnecessary that we should be dogmatic in the
make-up of lay panels of courts martial. It would be interesting to
know whether we must or should have
members who are of the same service if there is a single defendant, and
the reasoning behind that.
The Minister
said that courts martial will now be standing courts martial rather
than ad hoc. It is worth putting on the record that effectively they
tend to be standing, in that they are geographically fixed for the most
part in the UK and sit on particular days. That has characterised them
for many years. In fact, this change will not be quite as dramatic as
we might imagine simply by glancing through the provisions and reading
the explanatory notes.
The Minister
mentioned an error, which I confess I completely missed. It would be
useful when he makes his concluding remarks if he expanded on that,
because it would be wrong of the Committee inadvertently to pass an
incorrect measure. It must be put on the record precisely what we are
considering and the restorative action that will be taken before this
measure passes into
law.
2.41
pm
Willie
Rennie (Dunfermline and West Fife) (LD): I commend the
Minister for his work on the Bill over five years and on these
statutory instruments over the past
few months. I also commend his officials for the detailed work they have
done on the Bill and the SIs that have followed. We support the
measures before us today, so I have no further remarks to
make.
2.42
pm
Mr.
Jones: May I deal first with the error, which is simply a
straightforward typing error? As it stands, the order refers to a
single judge of the Court-Martial Appeal Court. The
hon. Member for Westbury knows from experience that that is not the
case in courts martial. The order will refer to the full
court. It is simply a typing error that needs to be corrected
today.
The hon.
Gentleman also raised the question of whether, in a trial of, for
example, an officer in the Navythe hon. Gentlemans own
servicethe panel would have to consist of all naval personnel.
No, they would not. There is flexibility for that to happen, and it is
down to the administration officers discretion. The need for
flexibility was discussed in detail in considering the Bill. Where one
is dealing with technical courts martialfor example, involving
the running aground of a ship or an aircraft incidentit would
be right to have people on the court martial who had expertise and an
understanding of the circumstances in which the incident took place.
That is why the flexibility is there. The answer, though, is that they
do not always have to be of the same service.
This should be
my last involvement with the Bill, although I understand that the
Department is looking at preparatory work for the next Bill. I put on
the record my thanks to the Bill Committee and to all the officials who
worked hard to pull together legislation that combines more than 50
years of three single service Acts. I look forward to the Act coming
into force in October and being a useful and straightforward tool for
implementing armed forces discipline across all three
services.
Question
put and agreed to.
Resolved,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Court Martial (Prosecution
Appeals) Order 2009.(Mr. Kevan
Jones.)
Resolved,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Armed Forces (Court Martial)
Rules 2009.(Mr. Kevan
Jones.)
2.44
pm
Committee
rose.