The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Brazier,
Mr. Julian
(Canterbury)
(Con)
Clappison,
Mr. James
(Hertsmere)
(Con)
Clelland,
Mr. David
(Tyne Bridge)
(Lab)
Donohoe,
Mr. Brian H.
(Central Ayrshire)
(Lab)
Fitzpatrick,
Jim
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for
Transport)
Goodman,
Helen
(Bishop Auckland)
(Lab)
Hollobone,
Mr. Philip
(Kettering)
(Con)
Hunter,
Mark
(Cheadle) (LD)
Kelly,
Ruth
(Bolton, West)
(Lab)
Leech,
Mr. John
(Manchester, Withington)
(LD)
Meacher,
Mr. Michael
(Oldham, West and Royton)
(Lab)
Riordan,
Mrs. Linda
(Halifax)
(Lab/Co-op)
Wilson,
Mr. Rob
(Reading, East)
(Con)
Gosia McBride, Committee
Clerk
attended the
Committee
European
Committee A
Monday 11
May
2009
[Joan
Walley in the
Chair]
Maritime
Transport
[Relevant
Documents: European Union Document No. 5789/09
and Addenda 1 to 3, Directive on reporting formalities for ships
arriving in and/or departing from ports of the Member States of the
Community and repealing Directive 2002/6/EC.]
4.30
pm
The
Chairman: Does a member of the European Scrutiny
Committee wish to make a brief explanatory statement about the decision
to refer the relevant documents to this
Committee?
Mr.
James Clappison (Hertsmere) (Con): Before I embark on a
brief introduction on behalf of the European Scrutiny Committee, may I
say what a pleasure it is to serve under your chairmanship, Ms Walley?
As you have anticipated, I shall outline the background to why the
Committee recommended the documents for
debate.
In
the first communication that members of the Committee will have, the
Commission notes the importance of shipping to the Communitys
economy and sets out its ideas for a maritime transport strategy for
the next nine years. The strategy aims to promote Community shipping
and related industries that are safe, secure and
environmentally-friendly while remaining efficient, adaptable and
globally competitive. The ideas are underpinned by the core values of
sustained development, economic growth, open markets, fair competition
and high environmental and social standards, and envisage the Community
sending out a strong message to the wider maritime community about the
importance of real, worldwide improvements in standards and practices.
I diverge from my introductory note to say that such views are
expressed in the Commission document; they do not necessarily reflect
the views of the person who is reading them out and I put them before
the Committee on that
basis.
The
background note from the European Scrutiny Committee goes on to say
that the document covers wide-ranging and diverse issues relating to
maritime transport in the Community and the wider world. Much of what
is foreshadowed might not happen for some time, and much may be subject
to individual scrutiny in due course, but the communication has
far-reaching objectives and we thought that it was worth debating now
the issues that it raises, especially such cross-cutting matters as
Community and member states competence, in relation
particularly to security and, more generally, to the principle of
subsidiarity in areas of mixed
competence.
In
the second communication, the Commission sets out the concept of a
Community maritime space without barriers, which is designed to extend
the Communitys single market by simplifying administrative
procedures for intra-Community maritime transport, particularly
short-sea shipping. Although the Government welcomed
the communication, they expressed reservations that we thought this
Committee might explore with the Minister. They relate to the alignment
of any new measures with the Community customs code and the frontiers
protocol, the implications for safety costs and other burdens for the
trade, public health and plant health protection, and the collection of
statistics on short-sea
shipping.
The
Chairman: I call the Minister to make his opening
statement.
4.33
pm
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Transport (Jim
Fitzpatrick): I begin by agreeing with the hon.
Member for Hertsmere, who spoke on behalf of the European Scrutiny
Committee, that it is a pleasure to see you in the Chair, Ms
Walley.
We
have been asked to debate broad European Commission communications on
strategic goals and recommendations for the EUs maritime
transport policy until 2018, and the desire to establish a European
maritime transport space without barriers. The communications contain
no specific proposals as such, but show the Commissions current
thinking and what proposals might emerge in the future. I shall try to
address the Governments emerging views on the wide range of
matters raised by the Commission in the
communications.
The
papers spring directly from earlier Commission initiatives that have
been debated. In March 2007, a European Standing Committee discussed
the Governments position in respect of the Commissions
maritime Green Paper Towards a future maritime policy for the
Union: A European Vision for the oceans and seas. That document
represented a broad Commission consultation that led ultimately to the
Commissions integrated maritime policy for the EU, which is
sometimes referred to colloquially as the Blue
Book.
The
Blue Book was published in late 2007, with an accompanying action plan,
and was debated on the Floor of the House last June. That debate
cleared the way for the Governments approach on future
proposals emerging from the Blue Book and its associated action plan.
The papers before us today represent a further step towards such future
proposals, although they are not in themselves formal proposals for
legislation.
The
Commission communication on strategic maritime policy goals and
recommendations up to 2018 raises some important points. It emphasises
the need to maintain the competitiveness of European shipping in a
global market during the current period of economic uncertainty, the
importance of maintaining maritime expertise in Europe, the continuing
need to promote quality shipping, and the need for sustainable
development. The Commission sets out ways in which those aims might be
pursued, with more detailed plans for action in respect of maritime
employment, maritime safety, security and environmental standards,
including a commitment to a good environmental status in the marine
waters of member states, co-operation in the context of wider
international maritime negotiations, research and development, and the
encouragement of short-sea shipping, which is the subject of the other
Commission communication that we are
discussing.
The
European Scrutiny Committees consideration of the communication
on the Commissions plans for the period to 2018 drew attention
to the need to consider
security and, more generally, subsidiarity and mixed competence. The
Government agree that those are matters of great importance. Shipping
is a truly global business, so threats to the security of the maritime
supply chain are a global issue on which we shall continue to work with
all our international
partners.
The
Government recognise the value of a consistent approach from EU member
states in wider international negotiations, which can be influential in
achieving favourable agreements. It is important that there is
consistency between EU measures and standards agreed in a wider
international context. We believe that it is vital for EU member states
with significant maritime interests, such as the UK, to maintain an
individual voice in forums such as the International Maritime
Organisation. We welcome the wording of the conclusions of the March
Transport Council, which invited the Commission to work together with
member states in that
regard.
The
Government support the fundamental aims of the communication on a
European maritime transport space without barriers. The document
details an approach to increasing the benefits of the single market for
shipping to and from ports in the EU member states through a
rationalisation of administrative requirements. In turn, the easing of
such administrative burdens could encourage an increase in freight
being moved by sea rather than on land. Such a shift would bring
overall environmental
benefits.
Those
are laudable aims, although essential security, health and customs
controls will still need to be maintained, in keeping with the
UKs border strategy. The conclusions of the March Transport
Council are consistent with that view. However, as specific proposals
emerge, the Government will analyse them with great care. We shall do
so to determine whether the envisaged approach to easing burdens on
business might inadvertently have the opposite effect and threaten UK
and European budgets, our customs controls over uncleared goods, or our
general ability to protect
society.
Both
communications cover ground of interest to more than one Department.
That is consistent, of course, with one of the main purposes of the
Commissions integrated maritime policy, which seeks to deliver
a joined-up approach to policy development. In other words, the purpose
is to ensure that measures introduced in one area of maritime activity
do not impinge adversely on activity in other areas. In considering the
communications, and any proposals emerging from them, the Government
are taking a similarly joined-up approach. The Department for Transport
co-ordinates the Governments interest in all aspects of the
Commissions integrated maritime policy, and works closely with
other Departments to ensure that all aspects of future Commission
proposals made are given full and appropriate
consideration.
The
Chairman: I remind the Committee that we now have until
half-past 5 for questions to the Minister. I expect that questions will
be brief, and I shall be prepared to allow hon. Members to ask a series
of questions, if they
wish.
Mr.
Julian Brazier (Canterbury) (Con): May I, too, say what a
pleasure it is to serve for the first time under your chairmanship, Ms
Walley?
My first
question is general. The Minister made it clear that the documents talk
about plans for making strategies, rather than detailed material. Much
of what is written is welcome but, as he hinted, there is a wide range
of areas in which things might go wrong. Can he confirm that each
single section of the documentor each major area covered,
should it turn into something more solidwill be brought to the
House for proper
scrutiny?
Jim
Fitzpatrick: I assure the hon. Gentleman, as much as I
can, that my expectation is that each will be dealt with in turn.
However, some may be connected, such as in terms of ports policy and so
on. In the document, which I know he has read, there is a list that
indicates proposed directives and the time scale by which they should
be brought forward. We fully anticipate that those matters will be
dealt with separately. There will be a full consultation and we will
deal with them in due course.
Mr.
Brazier: I am grateful for that answer. One of the most
welcome things about this document, which represents a step forward
from previous EU documents in the maritime area, is that, for the first
time, it has a great deal to say about the IMO. It makes clear the
central role of the IMO in maritime thinking, which has been the policy
of both Labour and Conservative Governments. Will the Minister confirm
that any move to introduce observer status for the EU, which is
probably quite a good idea per se, would not be allowed to supplant
Britains national seat on that body in any way,
shape or form?
Jim
Fitzpatrick: I anticipated that the European dimension
might feature somewhere in these discussions, and I want to reassure
the hon. Gentleman as much as possible by putting on record that the
UKs interests are best served by national membership of the
IMO. We have resisted, and will continue to resist, attempts to replace
the membership of individual EU member states in the IMO with single EU
membership. That is a clear red linewe do not believe that
there is a need for the Community to have full
membership.
The
existing system works well. As things stand, EU member states more
effectively promote an agreed EU position when they work collectively
but are each able to call on a variety of non-EU member states to form
broader alliances for effective measures. There is a danger that a
single EU membership would be seen as a powerful bloc and would be less
able to achieve broad consensus. As things stand, we also have valuable
autonomy to continue to directly advance UK policy objectives. In terms
of influence, traditional maritime nations such as ours, and smaller
member states with extensive shipping interests such as Malta and
Cyprus, currently function well in the IMO and are listened to by the
rest of the world. We do not intend to give up those
benefits.
The
Chairman: A further
question?
Mr.
Brazier: A last one in this batch, then others may have a
go.
I have a
similar question about security, which weaves in and out of various
sections of this discussion. I am grateful for the Ministers
last answer, but will he reassure me that although there are a number
of areas in which it is possible to have enhanced security
through intergovernmental agreement on procedures and so on, none of
that will compromise Britains sovereign control of its own
security?
Jim
Fitzpatrick: I reassure the hon. Gentleman, as I am sure
he would expect, that when possible we will establish partnership
agreements and cross-border arrangements to enhance collective security
within Europe. As he will have read in the document, one of our
concerns about some of the proposalsor proposals about possible
proposalsis about ports and the ability of ships to arrive with
different clearance arrangements. We have reservations about customs
and security. I assure him that we will not lower our vigilance with
regard to security as a result of anything in these
documents.
Mark
Hunter (Cheadle) (LD): May I also say what a pleasure it
is to serve under your chairmanship in this important debate, Ms
Walley? With your permission, I want to return to an issue raised by
the hon. Member for Canterbury as I would like further clarification
about the IMO. The Governments response to the document
mentioned that they hoped to negotiate the introduction of a
market-based measure, such as maritime emissions trading, to address
greenhouse gas emissions from ships. That is clearly understood, and we
hope that the Government will succeed in their negotiations with the
IMO. However, what happens if an agreement is not secured? Is the
Minister saying that they would consider asking for shipping to be
included in the EU emissions trading scheme in no circumstances? I
understand that the Minister is not considering that at present, but if
an agreement with the IMO is not possible, might he?