The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Burns,
Mr. Simon
(West Chelmsford)
(Con)
Cash,
Mr. William
(Stone)
(Con)
Flint,
Caroline
(Don Valley)
(Lab)
George,
Mr. Bruce
(Walsall, South)
(Lab)
Green,
Damian
(Ashford)
(Con)
Hopkins,
Kelvin
(Luton, North)
(Lab)
Huhne,
Chris
(Eastleigh)
(LD)
Iddon,
Dr. Brian
(Bolton, South-East)
(Lab)
Mercer,
Patrick
(Newark)
(Con)
Prosser,
Gwyn
(Dover) (Lab)
Rowen,
Paul
(Rochdale) (LD)
Spellar,
Mr. John
(Comptroller of Her Majesty's
Household)
Woolas,
Mr. Phil
(Minister for Borders and
Immigration)Gosia McBride,
Committee Clerk
attended
the Committee
The
following also attended, pursuant to Standing Order No.
119(6):
Clappison,
Mr. James
(Hertsmere)
(Con)
European
Committee B
Monday 26
October
2009
[Mr.
Roger Gale in the
Chair]
The
EUs Justice and Home Affairs Programme for the next Five Years
(The Stockholm
Programme)
[Relevant
Documents: European Union Documents No.
10953/09 and Addenda 1 to 3, Commission
Communication on Justice, freedom and security in Europe since 2005: an
evaluation of the Hague Programme and Action Plan [25th Report of
Session 2008-09, HC 19-xxiii, Chapter
1.]
4.30
pm
The
Chairman: Does a member of the European Scrutiny Committee
wish to make a brief explanatory statement about the decision to refer
the relevant documents to the European
Committee?
Kelvin
Hopkins (Luton, North) (Lab): It is a great pleasure to
serve under your chairmanship again, Mr. Gale. I indeed have
a statement to make on behalf of the European Scrutiny Committee. It
may be helpful if I take a couple of minutes to explain the background
to the documents and the reasons why the ESC recommended them for
debate in this
Committee.
The
Commissions communication of June 2009 is intended to
contribute to the thinking of the Council of Ministers about the
contents of the third justice and home affairs programme, which will
run from 2010 to the end of 2014. It is likely to be approved by the
end of this year and to be known as the Stockholm
programme.
In
the Commissions view, the Stockholm programme should commit the
EU to, for example, further action to promote peoples rights,
such as the protection of their personal data; widen mutual recognition
of judicial decisions to more matters; make it easier for people and
businesses to get their disputes resolved in the courts; implement the
European pact on immigration and asylum; and strengthen police and
judicial co-operation between member states to protect people from
organised cross-border
crime.
As
hon. Members will see from their document packs, the Home Secretary has
provided the European Scrutiny Committee with a comprehensive
explanatory memorandum on the communication, which included
contributions from the Home Office, the Ministry of Justice and the Law
Officers Department, and explains that the Government can agree
with much of the content of the documents. However, it also makes it
clear that the Government disagree with the Commission on some matters.
For example, they repudiate the Commissions assertion that in
criminal matters, such as terrorism and organised crime,
only action at
European level can deliver
results.
In
the conclusion to the European Scrutiny Committees report on
the communication, we said that we share the Commissions and
the Governments emphasis on the need for practical co-operation
between member states.
We also agree with them on the importance of better implementation and
evaluation of existing EU policies and legislation, but the Committee
understood why the Government had serious reservations about some of
the proposals. We recommended that the communication be debated in this
Committee in October to provide the House with the opportunity for
sustained questioning of Ministers about these important proposals and
the Governments views. We think that it is vital that Ministers
should be able to hear the European Committees views before the
EU Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs Committee is asked to
reach an agreement on the contents of the Stockholm programme at its
meeting on 30
November.
I
draw the Committees attention to an important addendum to the
document packthe first draft of the European Council
conclusions on the Stockholm programme. Normally, the House is not
provided with the drafts of such conclusions. The European Scrutiny
Committee believes that those draftsand drafts of Council
conclusionsshould always be provided to the House. It is
therefore greatly to the Ministers credit that he has sent the
European Scrutiny Committee the draft conclusions on the proposals and
made them available to the European Committee. That is a striking
example of the Home Offices positive and constructive approach
to European
scrutiny.
The
Chairman: I call the Minister to make an opening
statement.
4.33
pm
The
Minister for Borders and Immigration (Mr. Phil
Woolas): Once again, it is a pleasure to serve under your
chairmanship this afternoon, Mr. Gale. I thank my hon.
Friend the Member for Luton, North for his introductory explanation and
his kind words. Indeed, I thought that it was sensible to share the
communiquÃ(c) at the earliest possible moment. The decision by the
European Scrutiny Committee allows me to explain Government thinking,
which is in the interest of parliamentary accountability and
transparency, and of the programme
itself.
As
my hon. Friend said, the programme is the third of its kind, following
the 1999 Tampere programmeTampere in Finlandand the
2004 Hague programme, to which he has referred. My right hon. Friend
the Member for Don Valley will remember that programme with fond regard
as, if I am correct, she was the Minister who carried out the
negotiations on that programme. It is a good opportunity for us to
influence the agenda for EU activity over the next five
years.
We believe
that with the programme, we can ensure that future proposals for EU
action meet the needs, not just of our constituents, but of our police
forces, prosecutors, customs and immigration authorities and others,
and help to support them in addressing the challenges that they face in
tackling some of the most important issues facing our
countryorganised crime, terrorism and illegal immigration. To
that end, as I told the European scrutiny Committee in the other place
on 14 October, we have made it clear in our discussions so far with the
presidency that the new work programme must focus on action that
delivers real benefits for European citizens; new proposals must be
founded on evidence of a specific
problem; and existing measuresthis is the key pointmust
be embedded and evaluated to ensure that they meet their original aims
before we move on. We are pleased that those concerns have been taken
on board in the first draft of the programme. I would have sent it out
if they had not been accepted, but I was perhaps even keener to do so,
given that they had.
Some 2.2
million British citizens live in other EU countries, and we need
mechanisms in place to advance their interests and ensure that they are
protected, have access to justice and are able to use the services that
they need. We cannot achieve those aims without co-operating with our
European and other international partners.
The
UKs national security strategy, which was updated in June,
identified serious organised crime as a threat that is growing across
the world, where criminal networks operate on a global scale, cause
untold human misery and cost the UK between an estimated £20
billion and £40 billion a year. For that reason the Government
will seek to ensure that EU action continues to reinforce co-operation
against organised crime. I can point to some success already, such as
the Maritime Analysis and Operations Centre in Lisbon, which, in its
first 18 months of operationI think from January
2008has been responsible among other things for co-ordinating
the seizure of 40 tonnes of cocaine in the Atlantic Ocean, tracking
smugglers across the
oceans.
Equally,
given the global nature of the threats that we face, the Government
argue that the new programme must have a strong focus on EU
co-operation with non-EU countries. We need EU action to bring about
change in third countries to tackle the causes of crime and terrorism,
to promote the rule of lawnecessary for business to
functionand to tackle illegal global migration flows before
they reach the EUs borders. We did not think that that issue
was given enough attention in the Commission's communication on the
Stockholm programme, despite the success in the EU migration
agreements, but we believe that our lobbying has been successful and
that the draft we have received now reflects the importance of the
external workexternal to the
EU.
Co-ordinated
action with our EU partners is essential to ensure that justice is
effectively delivered, and that British nationals can have confidence
in the fairness and effectiveness of the criminal
justice system when they are in another European state. It is not about
the creation of a single EU criminal code. The Government's view is
that justice co-operation must continue on the basis of mutual
recognition with a respect for the diversity of legal systems across
Europe. The European arrest warrant is just one example of how
co-operation based on mutual recognition has already improved the
efficiency of extraditing suspected terrorists to the UK within days
rather than months, as was previously the
case.
We
have also been able to ensure that there is greater protection for
those who haven fallen victim to crime in other member states. We are
committed to driving up standards in criminal procedure across the EU
and believe that the targeted action that we put forward is needed to
achieve that. We therefore welcome the reference in the draft programme
to the resolution on a road map on strengthening procedural rights of
suspected or accused persons in criminal proceedings, and I can report
to the Committee that that was agreed at the Justice and
Home Affairs Council last Friday. It was attended by the Under-Secretary
of State for the Home Department, my hon. Friend the Member for
Hackney, South and Shoreditch (Meg
Hillier).
The
Government believe that free movement of our citizens is among the
foremost achievements of the EU. Therefore, in the new work programme
we argue for policies that defend that right by curbing abuses such as
marriages of convenience, forged documents and identity theft, and by
ensuring that free movement rights are not exploited by persistent
criminals or any other criminals.
We will also
continue to push for action on asylum that promotes fairness between
member states asylum systems, and encourages solidarity by
helping them to build their own ability so that they can protect those
who need it and remove those from their country who do not. We need
further to strengthen the external borders of the EU and promote
practical co-operation with third countries to return people with no
right to be here. More generally, the Government believe that the next
five-year work programme must build on the 2008 European pact on
migration, which I already mentioned, with member states co-operating
to tackle illegal immigration, strengthen our borders and develop more
effective partnerships beyond our frontiers.
Child
protection remains one of the Governments top priorities for
future EU work. We want to stop people with overseas criminal
convictions of a violent or sexual nature from working with children,
or with vulnerable adults. That is why we believe we need to share more
information with our EU partners, including information on
disqualification from particular professional activities. We believe
that we have made some progress in reflecting that in the programme,
building on what we have already achieved under the existing Hague
programme.
We have
already seen the adoption of measures to ensure that we are
automatically notified of convictions against UK nationals in other EU
courts. We can now also request information about the previous criminal
convictions of nationals of other EU states, allowing our courts to
reflect previous offending patterns when passing new sentences. In the
past year, we have made more than 4,000 such requests, supporting the
investigation of 258 murders and 195 rapes, with more than a quarter
returned with previous convictions. It is therefore clear that there
are benefits in such co-operation.
All of that
requires measures to promote the sharing of information across
borders. The UK has successfully pushed for the new programme to
reflect a more strategic approach to what we exchange and how we do so,
backed by strong data protection. We have made it clear that data
sharing and data protection must be seen as a package, so that where
the need to exchange information for public protection purposes is
identified, it is pursued in a secure environment, with the benefit of
greater protection and the protection of privacy.
The
appropriate collection and use of data can bring very real benefits.
For example, the Eurodac fingerprint database enables the UK to return,
under the so-called Dublin arrangements, 130 asylum seekers a month to
other member states, in cases in which people have applied for asylum
in one EU country and then travelled to another one. Since 2004, we
have removed over 8,100 applicants identified by that system
to other member states, making us a prime beneficiary of that
system.
According to
an autumn 2008 Eurobarometer poll, 53 per cent. of European citizens
considered terrorism to be the most serious problem facing us,
and 72 per cent. saw added value in action taken at EU level. We have a
duty to respond to those concerns, as I am sure we all accept. To
protect our citizens, we need a strong work programme that keeps
counter-terrorism co-operation high on the EU agenda. Our aim is to
achieve a demonstrable impact in reducing the risk to the EU from
international terrorism, while safeguarding civil
liberties.
The work
proposed under the Stockholm programme contributes directly to the
delivery of that objective. We encourage the targeting of funding and
practical co-operation in line with threat assessments. We want the EU
to take continued action across all four strands of the EU
counter-terrorism strategyprevent, pursue, protect and respond.
Of course, that closely mirrors our own Contest counter-terrorism
strategy, which includes stepping up EU efforts on
counter-radicalisation, examining new ways of tackling terrorist
financing, and taking action to reduce member states
vulnerability to attack. Work at the European level on
counter-terrorism will contribute directly to our
security.
On
cross-border civil justice, which my hon. Friend mentioned, we need
further to ensure that there is an effective and clear legal framework
to enable our citizens and businesses to have appropriate access to
justice, and to allow the internal economic market to function
properly. A further European survey in April 2008 found that
55 per cent. of people thought that it was fairly or very
difficult to gain access to justice in another country. Furthermore, 74
per cent. thought that additional measures were necessary to help
people gain that
access.
We
have tried to respond to those concerns. For example, we have
successfully secured a regulation to improve the judicial process for
cross-border claims with a value of less than €2,000. That is a
new standard procedure throughout the European Union, so creditors will
know how it will apply in the courts of any member state. Specific time
limits apply, ensuring that there is some certainty for all involved.
Procedures for hearings and taking of evidence have been simplified to
ensure that costs are proportionate to the value of the claim. Within
the first six months of the regulation, there have been 46 outgoing and
110 incoming cases from and to England and
Wales.
That
is just one example of how we have agreed procedures to help creditors
obtain judgments that can be recognised in another country. The draft
Stockholm programme acknowledges that to help creditors make full use
of the procedures that have been agreed, the EU now needs to take
action to help them enforce those judgments. That is in line with the
priority that the Government have given to the introduction of
cross-border enforcement
procedures.
Overall,
the Governments view of both the Commissions
communication and the draft programme is positive. We are convinced
that the Stockholm programme will bring significant benefits for UK
citizens in the field of justice and home
affairs.