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Regional Economy



The Committee consisted of the following Members:

Chairman: Frank Cook

Anderson, Mr. David (Blaydon) (Lab)

Armstrong, Hilary (North-West Durham) (Lab)

Atkinson, Mr. Peter (Hexham) (Con)

Baird, Vera ( Redcar )

Beith, Sir Alan (Berwick-upon-Tweed) (LD)

Bell, Sir Stuart ( Middlesbrough )

Blackman-Woods, Dr. Roberta (City of Durham) (Lab)

Brown, Mr. Nicholas ( Minister for the North East )

Byers, Mr. Stephen (North Tyneside) (Lab)

Campbell, Mr. Alan ( Tynemouth )

Campbell, Mr. Ronnie (Blyth Valley) (Lab)

Clelland, Mr. David (Tyne Bridge) (Lab)

Cousins, Jim (Newcastle upon Tyne, Central) (Lab)

Cummings, John (Easington) (Lab)

Etherington, Bill (Sunderland, North) (Lab)

Goodman, Helen ( Bishop Auckland )

Henderson, Mr. Doug (Newcastle upon Tyne, North) (Lab)

Hepburn, Mr. Stephen (Jarrow) (Lab)

Hodgson, Mrs. Sharon (Gateshead, East and Washington, West) (Lab)

Jones, Mr. Kevan ( North Durham )

Kemp, Mr. Fraser (Houghton and Washington, East) (Lab)

Kumar, Dr. Ashok (Middlesbrough, South and East Cleveland) (Lab)

Milburn, Mr. Alan (Darlington) (Lab)

Miliband, David ( South Shields )

Mullin, Mr. Chris (Sunderland, South) (Lab)

Murphy, Mr. Denis (Wansbeck) (Lab)

Taylor, Ms Dari (Stockton, South) (Lab)

Wilson, Phil (Sedgefield) (Lab)

Wright, Mr. Iain ( Har t lepool )

Gosia McBride, Eliot Wilson, Committee Clerks

† attended the Committee

North East Regional Grand Committee

Friday 25 September 2009

(Middlesbrough)

[Frank Cook in the Chair]

Regional Economy

Oral Answers to Questions The Minister for the North East was asked—

Pensioner Poverty

10.33 am

1. Mr. David Anderson (Blaydon) (Lab): What recent discussions he has had with ministerial colleagues on levels of pensioner poverty in the north-east.[291881]

The Minister for the North East (Mr. Nicholas Brown): I have had a number of discussions with ministerial colleagues on levels of pensioner poverty in the north-east. My most recent discussion was with the Minister for Pensions and the Ageing Society, my hon. Friend the hon. Member for Wallasey (Angela Eagle), following her visit to the region. I have since organised 19 constituency surgeries in east Newcastle, where I have been accompanied by an official from the Department for Work and Pensions and one from Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs. That was part of a benefits take-up campaign, which is a DWP marketing campaign supported by the local pension service, and which has been ongoing in our region since March 2009.

Mr. Anderson: I thank the Minister for that response, and it is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Cook. I would particularly like to welcome the right hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed; it would be nice if he was on the North East Regional Committee with us as well.

I appreciate the Minister’s response. Like him, I have been working on this subject over the summer, including with the National Pensioners Convention, which is very concerned about the impact of the recession on older people in the area. Will you come with me—

The Chairman: Order. I remind everyone, including myself, that remarks should be made through the Chairman, rather than directly between Members.

Mr. Anderson: Thank you, Mr. Cook. I was rushing and am out of the habit. I ask, through you, Mr. Cook, whether the Minister will agree to meet the National Pensioners Convention in our area, in particular the regional secretary, Mr. Bob Pinkerton, who lives in Blaydon.

Mr. Brown: I regularly meet representatives of pensioner organisations in our region, and I am more than happy to do so again. I cannot commit myself to a particular date and time, because managing my own diary is one of the many things that I am not allowed to do. However, if I can, I will. If I cannot come to the specific event to which my hon. Friend refers, I am more than happy to meet representatives to discuss the issues. I met representatives of the national convention on their recent lobby of Parliament.

Sir Alan Beith (Berwick-upon-Tweed) (LD): I, too, am very pleased to be in Middlesbrough under your chairmanship, Mr. Cook, and I am pleased to receive such an interesting welcome from the mayor and the hon. Member for Blaydon (Mr. Anderson).

May I direct the Minister’s attention to the fuel poverty plight of pensioners in rented property, particularly in rural areas? They are unable to access the Government schemes. The landlord is supposedly responsible for the central heating systems, or indeed their absence, and the pensioners cannot get dual fuel tariffs because they are in areas not served by gas. They are still suffering the fuel poverty that the Government are trying to address.

Mr. Brown: As the right hon. Gentleman knows, the Government have a number of schemes to address fuel poverty, some of which are universal, so the pensioners he speaks of will have access to those. On the specific case to which he referred, the devil is in the detail. I am more than happy to sit down with him to work through the details of the case and see what representations we can make to my colleagues in government, particularly in the relevant Departments, on behalf of our region.

Mr. Chris Mullin (Sunderland, South) (Lab): May I ask the Minister whether the Government are still committed to restoring the link between pensions and earnings? I think our commitment is to put it in the next manifesto and hopefully implement it in 2012. Does that still stand good in the light of the discussion about savage cuts?

Mr. Brown: The Government are not in favour of savage cuts—that is the policy of another political party—and, yes, we stand by the commitment that we have given.

Regional Policy

2. Mr. David Clelland (Tyne Bridge) (Lab): What recent discussions he has had with the chair of One NorthEast on regional policy in the north-east. [291882]

Mr. Brown: I meet regularly with the chair and chief executive of One NorthEast. My recent discussions have focused on the regional response to the recession and long-term economic growth in the region. My latest meeting was on Wednesday 16 September when I met the board of One NorthEast, the leaders of the 12 strategic local authorities and the Minister for Regional Economic Development and Co-ordination, my right hon. Friend the Member for Doncaster, Central (Ms Winterton).

Mr. Clelland: I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for that reply. I am sure he has discussed the big problem of the regional skills gap that we face in this region and what we can do about skills in the future. Does he agree that we need to equip our young people with all possible tools in order for them to access the excellent further education establishments throughout the region? Will he ask the regional development agency to draw together regional partners, such as the learning and skills council, the local authorities and the bus companies, to create a regional concessionary bus pass for students in full-time and further education so that they can access the excellent facilities available in the north-east?

Mr. Brown: I agree with the thrust of my hon. Friend’s question. I congratulate him and Gateshead college in his constituency on the exciting bid to make use of the moneys, announced by the Chancellor in the previous Budget, to bring forward training schemes for young people to work on the new battery and electronic car technologies that are coming to our region with the exciting Nissan development in east Durham.

Could we do more to help youngsters get to college through a concessionary travel scheme? I cannot promise that today because I do not have command of the Budget, but, as my hon. Friend knows, work on such a programme is continuing and we recently agreed at the interim regional transport board, where I took the chair as the regional Minister, on £10 million to be spent on a travelcard scheme, which could be adapted to do exactly that for which he calls.

Dr. Ashok Kumar (Middlesbrough, South and East Cleveland) (Lab): Has the Minister discussed the future of the steel industry in the north-east? Given the difficulty that we are facing, involving nearly 2,000 jobs directly and 20,000 jobs overall, what discussions has he had with the chair of One NorthEast, and has he explored the possibility of giving state aid for laid-off staff in support of short-time working? It is a policy we need to explore. We cannot run away from it. Some European countries are supporting the steel industry. Has he had any discussions on the matter?

Mr. Brown: Yes, I have. My hon. Friend is right. He puts his finger on what is probably the largest single industrial problem facing our region. The situation at Corus is well understood by officials in the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills and by the regional economic development agency. I am in regular contact, through officials, with both the management and the trade unions at Corus. Absolutely every idea that could be explored through the Government, to help Corus get through this very difficult situation, has been explored. My understanding of the current situation is that there is sufficient work for the plant until the end of October, with the prospect of further orders. Discussions between the parent company, the plant management and the trade union side continue. We are working very closely to try to help not just the plant—that would be justified in itself—but the community to get through what is going to be a very difficult time.

Ms Dari Taylor (Stockton, South) (Lab): I want to pursue the issue of state aid. We are well aware that the Spanish and Italian Governments find ways around

state aid. We know that Artenius, a Spanish company on the River Tees with a serious threat notice above its head, has been given £15 million from its regional government in Spain. We know that the Italian Government and their regional governments are doing the same. The company Dow produces a product that influences every chemical manufacturer on the Tees and in Great Britain. We want to know why it is not only struggling to get private money, but seemingly struggling to obtain Government money to survive. If Dow, Artenius and Corus all go down, we are in serious trouble on the Tees. Should we, too, put state aid and its regulations to the side?

Mr. Brown: My hon. Friend is right to raise that issue. It involves a complex set of circumstances, which I have looked at very closely. I have been in contact with the processing industry and individual company representatives. It is effectively a private sector supply chain issue. Each private sector interest in the chemical sector on Teesside has a slightly different take on it. What I have said to the industry, collectively, is that if it can come up with a private sector-led solution to the issue—my hon. Friend is absolutely right to say that Dow is at the heart of it—I will do everything that I can to ensure that the Government come to the table with a reasonable and proportional support package, provided that the solution has a reasonable chance of getting us through the difficulties. However, it does have to be private sector-led. Thought is being given to that and, in fairness, the private sector has been looking at that for the past three years. My hon. Friend, by the sense of urgency that underpins my her question, is doing the right thing by her constituents, because we do not have another three years. We need a timely solution to the problem and that means now, or as quick as we can.

Sir Stuart Bell (Middlesbrough) (Lab): It is a great pleasure and honour for us to have you here as Chairman, Mr. Cook, and to have this Grand Committee sitting in Middlesbrough. May I build on the questions from my hon. Friends the Members for Middlesbrough, South and East Cleveland and for Stockton, South on the future of Corus? As the Minister knows from our 30 years of working together, we used to have a whole series of industries in the region: steel, chemicals and shipbuilding. We have seen them all diminish over the years. The steel industry is our area’s last major industry. I know that he has been working very closely with One NorthEast and the Corus response group to see what they can do. My hon. Friend the Member for Middlesbrough, South and East Cleveland indicated that 1,920 staff might be made redundant if—and I do not believe it for a moment—the steel mill closed. Is the Minister aware that other members in the local community—ancillary workers—are also dependent on the continued production of steel? He did not mention that he is having talks with the noble Lord Mandelson, who has put forward a series of proposals to assist the automobile industry.

The Minister mentioned the parent company, and I invite him to make strenuous and direct efforts to talk with that company directly, because as we have seen on Teesside, the more remote the parent company becomes from the source of the work, the less easy it is for us to retain influence in its affairs. When British Midland operated out of Teesside airport, it was a local business

and we could talk to Sir Michael Bishop, its owner, but as soon as it was bought by Lufthansa, we lost it and it disappeared from the airport. We fear that a remote parent company might not take fully into account the needs of our community and the desire to maintain steel industry production here. Mr. Cook, you will be aware of the efforts that are made by Members to keep the industry open—you, too, have made great efforts in that regard—and it remains primordial for this area that the steel mill at Redcar is made safe.

Mr. Brown: My hon. Friend and I entered Parliament together in 1983, as indeed did you, Mr. Cook, so it is a great pleasure after all these years to take part in a formal parliamentary occasion in his constituency. I thank him also for the welcome we had from the Mayor of Middlesbrough.

The situation at Corus is the largest single issue facing the region. My hon. Friend is absolutely right that the situation relates not only to the principal employment base, but to the supply chain that sits alongside the industry, not least at Tees port, as the steel works are the principal part of its work load.

In answer to my hon. Friend’s question, I am in touch with the company at every level, through officials—there are rules of propriety about these things, as he will know—and with the Departments that have an interest in the situation, such as the Department for Work and Pensions, which is looking at the impact on the labour market of any potential redundancy round, the Treasury and the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills. The Government’s plan is essentially to try to get the company through the economic downturn until the world market price comes closer to the price of production at the plant. That way, it will have a fighting change for survival, and all our energies are focused on that.

I am open to any ideas that we have not yet thought of, but, believe me, absolutely everything that could have been thought of, including bringing forward public procurement that would involve steel, has been explored. The company has told me that the best thing I can do for it is to try to get the construction sector moving again in western Europe, particularly in the UK, so that demand for the product will increase, followed by the price, and it will be able to earn its way through the difficulties. My hon. Friend and I have known each other long enough, so if he has an idea that he thinks has not been explored, he should tell me what it is and I will ensure that it is taken forward within Government. Nobody misunderstands the seriousness of the situation on Teesside.

When I last met formally the leaders of the 12 local strategic authorities in our region, the leader of Redcar council raised the situation in formal representations to the Government, stressing its seriousness, and asked for the support of the other leaders. One really encouraging sign—this is not a party political point—is that the leaders of every local authority in the region readily agreed and were able to speak on behalf of the region with a united voice for local government, drawing the same support for Redcar and Corus and supporting the policy of trying to get the plant through these challenging times.

Mr. Mullin : Have my right hon. Friend’s discussions with One NorthEast or anywhere else in the region included consideration of what can be done to promote

the region as a centre of green technology? It seems to me that we have the skills and some of the manufacturing capacity here to take advantage of what is surely the future.

Mr. Brown: We also have some exciting projects, to which I intend to refer in a few moments. Perhaps the biggest opportunity is in Sunderland and east Durham, with the investment in the Nissan battery plant and the opportunity to bid—it must be fought for among the Nissan worldwide family of car plants—to build the first electronic cars. I would think that there is a 95 per cent. chance that that work will come to Durham. That would put the Nissan plants in Sunderland and Durham at the very heart of what I am certain will be a world-beating industry for the next generation and the generation beyond. It will expand on to the continent. The Nissan work force will train here and then set up sister plants in western Europe. The intention is to launch in the United States as well, but to do the training in our region. It is tremendously exciting.

Alongside that is the development of a new offshore wind power industry in my constituency, which is next door to that of my right hon. Friend the Member for North Tyneside. For those who are not familiar with the industry, the fabrication opportunities are like fabricating the Eiffel tower over and over—I do not mean with all the nice lifts, curlicues and so on; I am just describing the scale of the structure—and then putting something the diameter of the millennium wheel on top. It is huge and continuing fabrication work that will employ thousands of people once it is under way. To have that effectively new industry in the old shipyards is tremendously exciting. For youngsters thinking of a career in engineering, there could be no finer opportunity.

There are other exciting projects as well, all to do with climate change. We are ideally placed for a carbon capture and storage scheme due to our proximity to the North sea. A whole series of plants is planned for Teesside, again focusing on renewable energy. One will turn heavy oils into something commercially usable, another will focus on biofuels and there are smaller schemes related to the new technology. The region is designated as a low-carbon economy area. That is not just something done by officials; we have practical projects ready to go and enormous enthusiasm for them in the region. I think that that is the right way for us to work ourselves out of the economic downturn and provide jobs that our people can do enthusiastically.

John Cummings (Easington) (Lab): My right hon. Friend the Minister has visited Easington on several occasions. In particular, he has visited Seaham and seen at first hand the immense progress made there in the development of Fox Cover, Spectrum and Dawdon industrial estates and the huge investment in Seaham docks. On the horizon, he is also aware of the possibility of a massive investment in a film studio and a centre of creative arts.

I am aware of the work that the Minister is carrying out in making representations to the appropriate Departments, such as the Treasury and the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills, on behalf of east Durham. Can he offer assurances that his efforts will not be diminished in future by the present economic problems that we all face, and that he will continue to

exert pressure and influence on the Treasury and other Departments to ensure that innovative enterprise is given every assistance to provide much-needed employment to east Durham in future years?

Mr. Brown: I pay tribute to my hon. Friend for the wholehearted efforts that he has put in to back the range of economic development projects and schemes in his constituency of Easington, which have had an impact on what has been a seemingly intractable labour market problem in east Durham. I was going to say something and still will say something in my speech about the film studio scheme, which I have visited—I met the promoters—and which I think has a real chance of success. I am a big supporter of it, as my hon. Friend knows. I have made representations on behalf of the project both to the Treasury and to the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills and I would love to see it come to fruition. It, too, could have an impact on the labour market of Easington, and more generally of Sunderland and east Durham, that would endure for generations to come. It is exciting and innovative, and I pay tribute to my hon. Friend for the energy that he has put into it.

I also pay tribute to One NorthEast—our regional development agency—which has taken up a number of projects that might seem a bit quirky or non-mainstream but which have come to fruition and achieved success in our region and have strengthened as well as diversified our employment base.

A1 (North)

3. Sir Alan Beith (Berwick-upon-Tweed) (LD): What recent discussions he has had with Ministerial colleagues and Scottish Executive Ministers on development of the Al between Newcastle and the east of Scotland. [291883]

Mr. Brown : There is a continuing dialogue between me as the regional Minister and Transport Ministers across a range of transport issues affecting the north-east of England, including the development of the A1 north of Newcastle. There is dialogue at official level between the devolved authority, the regional government office and the Department for Transport.

Sir Alan Beith: Do Transport Ministers in England and Scotland understand both the national strategic significance of the A1 and its significance to the development of our region and of eastern Scotland? If they do recognise that, why is it not recognised in a strategy for the road that will complete the dualling process, rather than one that has seen the dropping of two important phases of the dualling—that between Morpeth and Felton, and the particularly dangerous section of the road near Belford—both of which had been worked up by the Highways Agency?

Mr. Brown: I can say to the right hon. Gentleman that Transport Ministers certainly did understand that,

because I have in front of me a press release from the Department for Transport announcing a four-stage programme to upgrade the A1 north of Newcastle and it is dated 2 March 1992. However, as the right hon. Gentleman knows even better than I do, that has not happened. It is best for us—this is what I have been trying to do—to get behind the reasons why it has not happened, and I know that the right hon. Gentleman is even more familiar with the debate than I am.

The correct way forward—he hinted at it in his question—is not savage cuts and most certainly not a cancellation of all spending on road programmes, which is advocated by a political party other than mine. The best way forward is to take the regional element of the Department for Transport’s programme, set a sum aside for dualling the A1 north of Newcastle and do it incrementally, taking the accident blackspots or more difficult parts of the road network first, because we should treat that as our priority. Although we cannot prove our case on usage numbers on the road up to Berwick and then along to Scotland, there clearly is a case that we can make to the Department and it is my policy as regional Minister to ask the Department to reach us halfway and for us to offer some funding to try to secure part-funding from the mainstream departmental budget and to have a programme of incremental works that will eventually get us to the objective that I think is the right one and that the right hon. Gentleman supports, which is to get the road dualled all the way up. A programme that eventually gets us there over time is better than an ideological dispute about whether the Department will pay for it all and then the Department saying, as it has done for the past two decades, that it will not pay for any of it, which is the position that we are in at the moment.

Mr. Clelland : I support the measures to be taken to improve the A1 north of Newcastle and eventually to continue the dual carriageway right the way from Newcastle up to Edinburgh, but as my right hon. Friend the Minister knows, the whole question of our regional road infrastructure needs serious examination. Notwithstanding the works that are now going on south of Scotch Corner to link finally the A1 in the north of England to the rest of the motorway system, which is welcome, does he agree that we also need to be linked up to the west of the country over the A66 and A69, which are also two very important routes that are badly in need of an upgrade?

Mr. Brown: I agree with that. There are added dimensions, and we need to have discussions with others about the A1 south. A road leading north from Yorkshire is, for the Minister for Yorkshire and the Humber, a gateway to our region. There are sensitivities regarding that, just as there are with east-west links. In principle, I certainly agree with my hon. Friend that improvement of the road links and the east-west corridor is as important as north-south links. In the longer term, east-west links may turn out to be more important than they are now, but they are at least as important as north-south links.

Regional Economy (Tackling the Recession)

11.2 am

The Minister for the North East (Mr. Nicholas Brown): I beg to move,

That the Committee has considered the matter of the regional economy: tackling the recession.

The Chairman: It might be helpful if I remind Members of the timing of the debate. We have from now until 1.30 pm. I have no power to impose a time limit on speeches, but brief contributions will enable me to call as many Members as are seeking to catch my eye. That applies not only to the length of contributions, but to the length of any interventions and the length of replies to those interventions.

Mr. Brown: It is a pleasure to serve on this Committee under your chairmanship, Mr. Cook, on this unique parliamentary occasion. May I also say once again that it is a pleasure to be in the constituency of my hon. Friend the Member for Middlesbrough? We all go back a long way in the public life of our region.

I welcome my parliamentary colleagues and thank them for coming to take part in our proceedings. I also welcome those who have come to listen to the questions, answers and debate. As I said, it is a unique parliamentary occasion and all parliamentarians have an obligation to ensure that it serves the communities that we have been elected to represent. There could not be a more appropriate topic for debate than “Regional Economy: Tackling the Recession.”

When I was appointed regional Minister, I made it clear that the focus of my activities would be acting as the region’s champion at the heart of Government, and that my core policy would be to drive up the prosperity of the region. My method of doing so has been to engage with both the public and the private sector in the region, not least to ensure that I am representing the opinions of the region to the rest of the Government.

The region’s economy has undergone a remarkable transformation in the past 30 years. The dominance of large employers in traditional industries such as coal mining, shipbuilding and heavy engineering has been replaced by a far more diverse economic base. We have also seen significant economic growth in recent years. In 2005-06, we had one of the fastest growing regional economies in the United Kingdom. It has doubled in size in the past 10 years, adding nearly £13 billion to overall output and contributing more than £40 billion to the UK economy. The past 10 years have seen historically high numbers of people in employment. Despite the effect that the downturn is having on the labour market, about 55,000 more people are in employment in the north-east than in 1997.

The region has also seen a higher rate of business registrations than the UK average for the past six years. The manufacturing sector, which continues to be important to our economy, contributes about £6.9 billion to the region’s economy and employs around 128,000 people.

Our economy is much more diverse nowadays, with new sectors such as the offshore industries, biotechnology and the automotive industry. Until I prepared for today’s

debate, I had not realised that a third of all UK biotechnology companies are based in our region. We need to diversify the region’s economy, strengthen the service sector, including hospitality and tourism, and focus on our historic strength in manufacturing, especially engineering. We also need to understand enterprise, and to treasure and support the process sector and the real opportunities for private-sector led inward investment.

In the long term, I want the region to build on recent progress by increasing the quality and quantity of business start-ups and the number of highly value-added and internationally competitive businesses. The growth and development of the renewables and energy sectors should be embedded in the region. We must continue to increase labour productivity, which requires investment, as those of us who have been involved in industrial issues know. I want to further encourage the visitor economy.

I pay tribute to the work of my hon. Friend the Member for City of Durham (Dr. Blackman-Woods), one of my parliamentary secretaries, in trying to house the Lindisfarne gospels in Durham so that they will be in our region permanently. That campaign is backed wholeheartedly by the region’s public representatives and this is not a party political issue; we all speak with one voice. The association of this artefact with our region is so clear and undeniable that it ought to be located here. Although there are a number of obstacles to that, I believe that they can be overcome. I reiterate my wholehearted backing of that campaign and praise the efforts of my hon. Friend and other parliamentarians from the region. If we could do only one thing to underpin the visitor economy in the region, it should be relocating the gospels here.

The Government’s national initiatives such as “Real help now” and Building Britain’s Future, which was introduced with the last Budget, are impacting on our region, for example through the value-added tax cut, the jobs guarantee for every young person who is out of work for 10 months or longer and the mortgage protection initiatives. More than 5,000 businesses in the north-east have benefited from the tax deferral arrangements announced by the Chancellor, to the tune of £89 million.

As the region’s Minister, I act as its advocate in Government. I have met a wide range of sectors and groups, including representatives of business, tourism, education, health, the voluntary and community sectors, and, of course, local government. One the most important relationships I have as regional Minister is with the leaders of the 12 strategic local authorities that represent the region and I pay tribute to the constructive, enthusiastic and energetic manner in which they come together to support our region and do what is right for the communities that have asked us to represent their interests. Again, that is not a party political point.

The economic downturn has affected our region probably more starkly than other English regions. That is principally, but not solely, because of three shocks or potential shocks to the employment base that are unique to the region. The first, of course, is Northern Rock. The Government intervention and the stewardship of Ron Sandler and his successors, have led that important financial institution through a difficult, if not impossible, time. Although progress is being made, that episode led to a major redundancy round in the region. That was followed closely by the loss of 1,200 jobs at Nissan, including people on short-term contracts, because of

the downturn in the automobile trade. It has been hard for the region to absorb those shocks. In both cases, Jobcentre Plus intervened. It has an effective and well-tried mechanism for intervening in such situations, which is getting us through the difficulties. We can look to a strong future based on the same industry, but making electric cars rather than petrol-driven ones.

The third issue was referred to during Question Time, particularly by the MPs who represent the area. To be candid, the situation at Corus is the greatest single problem facing our region. As the Minister, I am in touch with all the parties concerned, but my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Redcar (Vera Baird), who acts as my deputy, undertakes most of the work on this issue. She has put an enormous amount of time, energy and effort into trying to find a way forward and I know that it is a labour of love for her. If anyone here has an ingenious idea that we have not already thought of and explored, I would be willing to hear it. Please speak to me at the end of the sitting.

Mr. David Anderson (Blaydon) (Lab): I thank the Minister for giving way. This is not an original or new idea: we could nationalise the steel industry at Corus, which would protect it not only for now but for when we come out of the recession and start building things such as the 7,000 offshore turbines that we will need. That is what we should do.

Mr. Brown: I am happy to take that intervention, but I cannot announce to the Committee today, on behalf of the Government, that I will take the United Kingdom steel industry into public ownership. I know that that will come as a disappointment to my hon. Friend, but, although I push the powers and responsibilities given to me to the limit, I think that the phone call from the Secretary of State and the Chancellor of the Exchequer if I did such a thing would be hotly followed by one from the Prime Minister. Therefore, it would be wrong of me to exceed the powers that have been given to me. Of course, I understand the comment, and I see that I shall be invited to exceed the powers given to me.

Dr. Ashok Kumar (Middlesbrough, South and East Cleveland) (Lab): Not only would the Prime Minister be horrified—Ratan Tata would be equally horrified.

Mr. Brown: For those who are familiar with such debates, I have not been asked to take the industry into public ownership without compensation. However, I am afraid that I have no budget for such a thing.

Sir Stuart Bell (Middlesbrough) (Lab): As my right hon. Friend would know, and as you know, Mr. Cook, the industry used to be in common ownership rather than public ownership.

Before my right hon. Friend leaves the subject and moves on to Northern Rock, is he aware of the statement made by the Governor of the Bank of England yesterday that if the Government had not intervened in the banking crisis, two of our major banks would have gone broke within 24 hours? What impact would it have had on our region if a bank such as Northern Rock had been allowed to go into liquidation? What would it have meant for those who had accounts and savings with the

bank, and those who paid wages through the bank? Was that not a catastrophe that this Government avoided but others would have let happen?

Mr. Brown: I am a very strong supporter of the decision of the Prime Minister and the Chancellor to intervene and to use public money where private money had failed. What started as a debt crisis in the United States travelled rapidly around the world as a liquidity crisis for financial institutions and then passed on throughout the whole of the private sector economy of the developed world. There was the potential for a worldwide collapse of the banking system to set recessionary forces at work in the world economy. Although the origins would not have been the same, the outcome would, in effect, have been the same as the events in the late 1920s. The effects were seen in the early years of the 1930s, a much troubled decade.

Nowhere were the effects felt more strongly than in our region. I regard it as a core responsibility of mine, while I hold this office, to ensure that our region does not return to anything that remotely approaches the grim days that we faced in the 1930s. For those who think that we should go back to those days, precipitating a banking crisis is the right way to set off such a thing. It is the responsibility and the duty of the Government to intervene and to ensure that that does not happen, and to use the strength of the public purse and the management of public finances to take a long-term rather than a short or even medium-term view of such things, and that is the approach that the Government have adopted.

Sir Alan Beith (Berwick-upon-Tweed) (LD): Returning to Corus, which the hon. Member for Stockton, South (Ms Taylor) raised earlier when she mentioned the state aid rules, am I right in thinking that the relevant state aid rules have been suspended during the recession, and that the Government’s decision not to go down the state aid route reflects their belief that there is a more cost-effective way of dealing with the problem, which she recognised as a serious one?

Mr. Brown: As the matter is in the public domain—I must be careful not to say things that are not in the public domain—I can say that there is on offer to Corus a training package that is compliant with the state aid rules. However, the core problem is to get the cost of production close to the world market price so that it is effectively a question about the market rather than about state aid. The Government are in continuing dialogue with the owners as well as the local management to see if they can do something to help. I have to say, to the disappointment of the right hon. Gentleman, that public ownership would breach state aid rules. Even if it did not, we have to ask ourselves—and we should all think about this—whether we can solve this if the core problem was the cost of production relating to the world market. The good news is that world market conditions are changing in our favour, and the fight is to ensure that the plant survives and gets through to the better market conditions that seem to be emerging. However, we are not there yet. I assure everyone here that the only people—or groups of people—who are working harder than myself are the management of the company itself. Incidentally, I also include the owners,

who have taken steps that will positively help the survival of the plant on Teesside. Moreover, my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Redcar has thrown herself into this important issue with an energy, depth of knowledge and a deep sense of detail. That is utterly praiseworthy, and she has the support of her colleagues.

Ms Dari Taylor (Stockton, South) (Lab): We are all listening as we have a keen sense of outcome; we want a positive outcome. We understand what the Minister is saying, but we want a concerned and absolute statement from the Government that says that we have a source of employment that, whatever else, will be protected and will survive. We know about market prices, but we also know about cruel mass unemployment, and we simply do not want that on the Tees again.

Mr. Brown: Plan A is to get the plant through. There is not a single Government Minister who disagrees with that. We are all focused on it. Everyone is doing everything that they can, including putting forward the support package, looking at what we can do in the public sector to provide orders—if that can be done—and talking to the company itself.

The key point that the company made to me—I think I also made it in answer to an earlier question—is that if we can get the construction sector moving again, demand for the product would rise, and that would lead to more orders for the plant. That is the key thing that I have been asked to do. That point has been made clearly to senior Ministers in Government and it is something on which we have reflected. We may hear more on the matter by Christmas. I think that that is the best way to put it.

Dr. Kumar: I hear everything that the Minister is saying. I support every word that my hon. Friend the Member for Stockton, South (Ms Taylor) said. Moreover, I recognise and praise my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Redcar (Vera Baird) for doing such a great job and for all the efforts that she has made in trying to persuade the consortium people to come back to the table, but Tata has poured £750 million into Corus. In my discussions with Tata, which have been held at different times over the past year or so, it has said, “We are here for the long haul. We have poured £8 billion into the plant so that it should not be closed down.” It has a very strong commitment. I have no doubt that it wants to stay, but it is looking for support from Government because it feels that they are not doing enough. However unfair that seems, that is Tata’s perception. I know that Mr. Muthuraman, the managing director, has said that. The Minister should try to have discussions with Mr. Muthuraman and take up the case with him directly so that he can demonstrate all that the Government are doing.

Mr. Brown: If my hon. Friend would like to arrange such a meeting I would be more than happy to come with him. My understanding is that the dialogue with the Department is good, but if he wants to raise a specific point directly with me and my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Redcar, I would be happy to attend such a meeting. I am not willing to leave any avenue unexplored.

My hon. Friend is also right to emphasise the commitment of the parent company to the plant. I am aware that it has done things that are clearly motivated by helping the plant through, rather than exacerbating, its current difficulties. It is no good pounding one’s fists on the table saying, “It’s all unfair!” As public representatives we have to set our hearts against that futile approach. It is certainly not a line that I have ever taken, regardless of how tempted I have been.

People put their trust in us and they expect us to do the very best we can for them. They expect us to square up to difficult issues as well as just front the easier ones. Above all, they expect us to have the courage, determination, knowledge and the sense of purpose to stand up for the issues that they tell us—and that we know for ourselves—are important. They also expect us never to give up and say that nothing can be done or to walk away from an issue. We are obliged to do our best for the people we represent and to square up to the circumstances, no matter how difficult. I take that approach and I know that my hon. Friend does as well—it will see us through these difficulties.

I return to my address with several pages to go while being mindful of your injunction about brevity and interventions, Mr. Cook. As we know, the economic downturn has added an additional impetus to my work—the thrust of the interventions has emphasised that, even if I did not have it written down in my speech. It is more essential than ever because particular emphasis has to be placed on engaging with representatives of the private sector. As well as meeting business organisations, I have aimed to get into the detail by engaging with specific sectors and focusing on specific issues. That includes meeting representatives of the manufacturing sector and process industries, the banking and finance sector, the tourism sector, the logistics and infrastructure companies and the recruitment sector, including Jobcentre Plus and the private bodies that intervene in the labour market.

I pay tribute to the development agency and the Government office for the region, as well as to the local authority leaders for ensuring that every local authority has signed up to the Government’s prompt payment code—a commitment has been given by local government to pay suppliers within 10 working days. It is a great success story for our region. Considering that one of the core problems is liquidity, and therefore cash flow, that is a significant commitment. I and other regional Ministers tabled the issue at the Council of Regional Ministers and the Government responded by committing central Government Departments to pay invoices within 10 days. Nine out of 10 invoices are now paid within that time scale, which ensures that something like £66 billion in payments reaches the businesses quicker than ever. Without revealing any state secrets, at least two Cabinet meetings have gone through each Department’s payment rates and compared Department with Department. Those that are not performing as well get much chided by their Cabinet colleagues. The issue is being looked at right at the heart of the Government.

We are now promoting prompt payment across the wider public sector. As we have discussed, the principal issue in my meetings with private sector organisations has been access to finance. Our response, which again reflects great credit on the officials who serve our region at regional level, is a programme that has been approved by the Treasury: the Joint European Resources for

Micro to Medium Enterprises Initiative, or JEREMIE. It is a £125 million fund, the first of its type in England. It will provide loans and equity investments into 650 firms, initially over a five-year period. It is anticipated that it will create more than 5,000 jobs in our region. It will provide hundreds of north-east businesses with access to vital finance. Considering that that is the core problem that the private sector raises with me, it is a good response—all credit to those involved in bringing it about.

By taking up the issue of empty property rate relief, we have secured a concession that covers 77 per cent. of empty property in the region and seven out of 10 properties nationally. The Government’s determination to get the regions through the economic downturn has led to action at national level that benefits our region and helps cash flow for businesses. Trading losses carry-back will be extended from one to three years for up to £50,000 of losses and now covers losses made in 2008-09 and 2009-10. That will help 4,000 businesses in the region. There is £1.7 billion to help Jobcentre Plus respond to rising unemployment. In August 2009, more than 17,700 people moved off jobseeker’s allowance in the north-east, and the additional support will help ensure that we keep the labour market moving, which is key to achieving my ambition of tightening it.

Mr. Chris Mullin (Sunderland, South) (Lab): The Minister mentioned the empty property rate relief. He is right, the Government have made a concession that has proved helpful to a lot of small businesses, but he will be aware that this is self-inflicted damage, in that, although much of what has happened to our economy and the region can be blamed on forces beyond our control, this tax has been devised in Government and threatens to do damage. In Sunderland we have two substantial businesses in the old Pallion shipyard that will close unless something is done about the tax. The rates at Pallion have gone up from £55,000 to around £230,000 in a single leap as a result of the measure. About 200 people are employed in the shipyard in one capacity or another, and the increase will sink the company if this is allowed to go on. Likewise, there is a printing company that employs about 150 people and is in danger of going under because of the measure. Can anything be done?

Mr. Brown: I first took an interest in the issue because my hon. Friend raised it with me, and as a result of him and other hon. Members raising it, I took it up at the Council of Regional Ministers, which is our formal input into central Government. Other regional Ministers raised it as well. He knows that there was a heated national debate about it because we were on the receiving end of a pretty ignorant attack from those who claimed to represent the interests of property holders—essentially based in London, and no doubt with the right-of-centre politics sometimes found in our capital. They alleged that we simply sought further regional concessions for ourselves; that was not the representation that he or I were making.

I am happy to return to the issue by making the same representations within Government to get a concession focused on former industrial property, so that demolishing the buildings—the way to avoid the tax—would be disproportionate. First, because there is a cost in doing so, and secondly because buildings that could be brought

into economic use should not be demolished because of the pressures of the tax system. I am happy to give it another go, and I know that I will have my hon. Friend’s support. I am convinced of the merits of the case as it applies to the old industrial areas. Of course, I understand that the turnover of the companies that he mentioned is too high to benefit from the concession that we have secured, but the concession is none the less welcome to the small and medium-sized companies that benefit from it.

To move on, from a national pot of £127 million, five local authorities in our region have secured £11.75 million for the provision of new social housing, and again I offer congratulations to those local authorities that submitted a bid. Construction will begin before March 2010, and as every public representative in the room knows, there is pressing demand for affordable housing to rent in our region. As part of the Building Britain’s Future announcement, an additional £40 million is available for affordable housing grant in the region for the period 2008 to 2012, and I urge those local authorities that have not explored that yet to do so, because the demands are pressing.

It is a subject of regret that 27,200 young people are on jobseeker’s allowance in the north-east. We must not let them down. From October 2009 all 18 to 24-year-olds who have been claiming jobseeker’s allowance for 10 months are guaranteed six months of activity—a job, work placement or work-related skills training. To date, we have got five organisations, all local authorities that have been successful in their future jobs fund bids, to create up to 2,800 jobs for young people and the long-term unemployed. I have already congratulated my hon. Friend the Member for Gateshead, East and Washington, West on the exceptional and well thought-through bid that Gateshead college and the local authority submitted. It looks to the future and gives young people hope of permanent employment, and of using the skills that it is well within their grasp to gain.

Another way in which we are investing in the region to revitalise some of our former coalfields and rural communities is through the local enterprise growth initiative. Be Enterprising, which is the County Durham one, although there is a smaller one in Northumberland as well, is benefiting from a £4.1 million pound part finance package from the regional development fund. That funding will create 370 jobs, safeguard another 190, and assist in the creation of more than 500 small local businesses.

In other words, as the labour market has loosened, my priority has been to try to tighten it. To do that, I have tried to support specific projects and help to push them on. I will just romp through my list: the region is to become the first low-carbon economic area, specialising in ultra-low-carbon vehicles, and that is easily the largest of the projects. The programme is driven by the partnership approach that works so well in our region of regional and sub-regional bodies; it will focus on supporting a transformation of the automotive industry, provide support for innovation and demonstration, support the skills training that I have mentioned and encourage the clustering of manufacturing. There is a great opportunity for us here of a development around the Nissan car plant. It is hard, as I said earlier, to overstate the impact that the new factory and the potential of the electric car will have on the economy of Sunderland and east Durham.

That is the most significant example, but not the only one. It is matched by the exciting developments on the north bank of the Tyne, which could not have taken place without the investment of the Shepherd family. Again, the development will have a significant impact on job opportunities for the next generation of Tyneside engineers.

Those are the two great economic development projects in the region, but they are not the only ones. It is estimated that a £20 million expansion of a printable electronics technology centre in the north-east of England will stimulate the creation of up to 250 jobs in the region and up to 1,500 jobs nationally in the next four years. The centre, at the NETPark in Sedgefield, County Durham, is to receive £12 million from the Government’s advanced manufacturing strategy, along with a further £8 million that will be channelled by the regional development agency. The global market for that technology—it is a technical world and many people will not be familiar with it, although I have been to see for myself the remarkable things that can be done with the new technology—is estimated to grow to £15 billion by 2015, so having our region in at the forefront will be of huge importance to us.

There is a £12 million investment by Government in open-access demonstrator facilities for industrial biotechnology at Wilton. The Government will also provide £2.5 million to support companies using the demonstrator facility and match funds from the Technology Strategy Board for new projects related to industrial biotechnology.

Another big opportunity for our region is carbon capture and storage developments. The north-east is obviously in a strong position because we are geographically next door to the North sea. We have strong offshore and process industry sectors and we have energy-intensive industries. We could deliver an early demonstration of carbon capture and storage, and that is what we are bidding for. Our plans were given a boost recently by the Prime Minister’s visit. He came to look at the site which would be at the heart of one of our BIDs—business improvement districts—and we were able to get our message over to him. In total, the proposed investments in this sector could amount to more than £3 billion over the next 10 years.

I can confirm today—it is nice to have some good news, Mr. Cook—that, in part thanks to Government support, we hope to have the main part of the Findus factory in north Tyneside up and running and employing, initially, 230 people before Christmas. There are other smaller, but no less important, projects, which seem to me worth backing, and I want to speak specifically about two in County Durham. The proposal for a renewable energy village on the site of the old Blue Circle-Lafarge cement works at Eastgate in Weardale is a unique development opportunity. If it goes ahead, it will be a demonstration project for renewable energy. The project could create 350 new jobs—150 in research and development and renewable energy, and 200 in hospitality and leisure-related businesses. The proposal would also provide a significant tourism offer, utilising existing hot springs.

Similarly, I want to refer again to the project supported by Easington district council for the development of a centre for creative excellence on a 72-hectare site in

Seaham. The development will include film studios, a film school, a university with student accommodation—I understand that discussions are under way with Sunderland university about this aspect of the proposal—a four-star hotel with leisure facilities and accommodation for production staff, etc. I know this sounds quirky, but I think it is really exciting. We need to diversify our region’s economy into the service sector, and this could be a real winner for us. Don’t tell me that people in the north-east cannot do these things, because I am absolutely certain they can. People will set to with a will if a new industry comes here; it would really be a huge boost. The local authority has been very imaginative, and I want to praise again the work that has been by One North East and the Government offices for the regions for trying to nurse this project through and bring it to fruition. It has my strong backing, as I know it has the backing of my hon. Friend the Member for Easington. I also want to praise the work that he has put in to try to make this happen.

A cluster of creative industries could create up to 1,900 construction jobs and 2,400 operational jobs, and could contribute £67 million to the region’s economy. These are not the only examples, but I highlight them to show the range and the dynamism of the activity that is going on in our region—a region that has done more over the last decade to help itself than any other region of our country. We have come a long way in the last 30 years. We are working together to tackle the immediate impact of the recession—supporting people, supporting jobs and supporting businesses. There are quite a lot of things that give me hope and encouragement, but nothing more so than the constructive, open and energetic way in which other partners in this region have been willing to work together—not just to come to meetings and go, “Yes,” and “Mmm,” and then go away again, but to play their part in a positive way to try to make these things work and happen. Our approach was the right one before the economic downturn struck. We have been hit harder than other English regions, but we have the policies, the commitment and the sense and unity of purpose to get through our present difficulties and out the other side.

Several hon. Members rose

The Chairman: Order. It might be helpful if I remind the meeting that we have 111 minutes left available in debating time; perhaps Members could bear in mind the advice that I gave some moments ago. I have five Members seeking my eye. There were a couple more, and I will need to check once we sit down, but to get the debate under way I call Sir Alan Beith.

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Sir Alan Beith: It is a pleasure to be in Middlesbrough in this magnificent town hall. It has not only a magnificent council chamber but other magnificent rooms, and was built at the height of Middlesbrough’s prosperity, success, expansion and optimism. Here we are debating a recession in a building that speaks of much happier times, times that I want to see return to Middlesbrough so that it can regain the civic pride that was such a noted feature of its early years, and which many of its citizens maintain. Of course, now that we are having a meeting in Middlesbrough

it is obvious that we should have the next one in Berwick—from one part of the region to another. However, the last time we had anything resembling a Parliament in Berwick was in 1292 when nobles were choosing a Scottish King, and I am not sure whether that would go down well.

These are strange proceedings in a way. If everybody was here there would be 27 Labour Members, one Conservative Member and one Liberal Democrat Member. I am happy to carry out the role of the sole Opposition Member, unless I am challenged in that by the hon. Member for Blaydon, as he seeks to nationalise the various industries. I am pleased and proud to carry out that role, not least because the Liberal Democrats have been the alternative to the Labour party in much of the region, running the city of Newcastle, being the leading party in Northumberland county council, and running the old City of Durham until the Government abolished it as part of their local government reorganisation. We regard ourselves as the alternative to the Labour party in this region, and of course if the last election had been fought on a proportional system there would be seven Liberal Democrat, six Conservative and 15 Labour Members here. That roughly reflects the proportion of votes around the region, and it gives a more accurate picture. I am happy to be the Opposition today and can guarantee, as well as the 100 per cent. attendance that I have already delivered, 100 per cent. unanimity on the Liberal Benches.

Of course, we have been landed with this procedure in an attempt to mend the huge gaps in accountability in the regional governance of the United Kingdom, and in our region in particular, where these things matter. The creation, first of Regional Select Committees and then of Regional Grand Committees, has been part of an attempt to fill those gaps. We are not happy with the Select Committees simply because they do not represent the political balance within the regions, even under the current electoral system, and that is why we are not taking part in them. Labour Members have been drafted into the South West Regional Select Committee to make up the numbers where Labour does not have a majority, and Conservatives, if they chose to take part, would be drafted into the Regional Select Committee for this region to make up the numbers. We are not happy with that procedure, but if the Regional Grand Committee procedure can be used to increase the accountability of the regional Minister and his colleagues, that is desirable.

We were opposed to the local government changes, not least because they had been voted down by the people of the region. People in Northumberland did not vote for a single unitary authority; they voted for two. However, now that those changes have taken place we have to make the system work, and the leaders’ board is a potentially valuable innovation that has come out of that. As the Minister has indicated, the 12 local government leaders of the region can really work together, both in holding regional bodies and Ministers to account, and in innovation for the region, as they have begun to do. The role of the regional Minister is potentially a good one, and the Government made a good choice among those available to them in naming the right hon. Member for Newcastle upon Tyne, East and Wallsend the Minister for this region. However, as he is the Government Chief Whip and has some clout and influence,

I would have hoped to see more progress on some of the issues that we have already talked about, and on some of those that we will come to.

Mr. David Clelland (Tyne Bridge) (Lab): Much of that progress would depend, of course, on public spending. The leader of the right hon. Gentleman’s party, who has expressed the wish to be Prime Minister when he grows up, has said that he would make savage cuts to public spending. Does the right hon. Gentleman support that view?

Sir Alan Beith: I am sure that the hon. Gentleman does not want to be one of those politicians who intend to go into the next election saying, “Don’t worry, we can find the money; we can spend money on anything.” Shortly, we will come to a period when we have to have severe restraint on public spending. I prefer “severe” to “savage”. Savage sounds a bit as though one is enjoying it; severe is what it is all about. We cannot sustain the current levels of debt—we will pay too high a price for them. The Government have started to recognise that, and all parties will have to. The problem for us, and I will come to it in a little more detail in a moment, is how we ensure that the north-east does not suffer in the process of trying to get our public spending back under control, and that the timing of decisions about public spending does not lead to decisions being taken too soon. One other party is recommending that we start cutting public spending now, which will be damaging to getting us out of the recession. This recession was not created in the north-east, but north-east families are among those feeling the most severe impact on their jobs and livelihoods, while the bankers who caused the recession go on collecting their enormous bonuses, and the Government that took too little action to rein in the banking industry still leave the bonus culture intact.

We saw early symptoms in the run on Northern Rock, which was the direct result of the serious mismanagement of a prized northern institution. Indeed, we told the Government three months before they nationalised the bank that they were going to have to do so, and that there would be no alternative. But it was not the fall of a former regional building society that brought on the worldwide financial and economic crisis, but decisions by bankers in the major financial capitals in the world. They forgot well-tried and trusted banking principles, were greedy and arrogant, and thought that one could invent ways of pretending that debts did not exist—to some extent, they did, and fooled some of the people some of the time, but one cannot fool all the people all the time, and the result was the collapse that started with Lehman Brothers going to the wall.

What a price we are paying for that in the region. Unemployment in August 2009 was at 9.4 per cent., against the UK average of 7.9 per cent. Nationally, we have the highest level of unemployment since the mid-1990s, and the number of people unemployed has doubled over the past year—I think the highest level, as far as this region is concerned, is in the Minister’s own constituency. Middlesbrough itself is also an area of particularly high unemployment: 12.8 per cent. overall, but 17.3 per cent. male employment—a 40 per cent. increase on last year. It has hit many rural communities, particularly in County Durham and Northumberland. The job losses are well known—the large losses at

Northern Rock and Nissan, the fear of a significant loss from Corus, which we have discussed earlier, and a danger and a threat to the chemical industry in Teesside. It is like a domino effect—if one goes, another will go, because the industries were built up to be interconnected by ICI years ago before being sold off separately.

Business reports a more encouraging quarter, but that could be drastically affected by public spending cuts in a region that is highly dependent on the public sector for providing jobs and contracts. Output was down every month for 13 months until June, but it went up for the first time in July, which is an encouraging sign that we may be turning a corner at last. The voluntary sector has asked us to point out the impact on it. We are fortunate in this region in that there are a number of large charitable funds, many built up by successful families over the years, and put into bodies such as the Community Foundation to provide tremendous support for innovation in the region’s social field and for the individuals affected. But they are all significantly affected by the general economic position; they cannot get significant interest on the money that provides the help, and they have seen a significant drop in income. At the same time, the demand for their services, particularly those of charities that work among the most vulnerable people, is increasing sharply, and many groups are forced to use their reserve funds to help in their work.

That is one of the hidden impacts of the recession, which I hope the Minister will take from the meeting as something that he needs to be concerned about. A recession does not affect only businesses, but those who are looking after those affected by it, and those whose community projects, such as village hall refurbishments, generate work and economic activity.

There are some good things happening. The weak pound is a genuine advantage to the exporting business in the region. It has some adverse impact on the purchase of raw materials, but it is potentially an export opportunity that many businesses are doing their level best to take at this time. As a region, we are industrially more diverse than we used to be. At one time, we were totally dependent on a few heavy industries—particularly coal, steel and shipbuilding. We have had to diversify over recent years, which has reduced the impact of recent events to some extent.

As the Minister said, there are also areas of real progress in the region. The energy industries are crucial to our future, and developments include the New and Renewable Energy Centre at Blyth, and Clipper Windpower, which has had Government funding. The growth of other new technologies, such as printable electronics at Sedgefield, is encouraging, and we want them and developments such as the National Industrial Biotechnology Facility at Wilton to be encouraged. They are signs that the north-east is trying to take care of its own future and encourage its own industries, and I welcome the work that One NorthEast has done towards that end.

It is well known that my colleagues and I have always had concerns about the accountability of regional development agencies. We are not happy that so much Government money is being spent in our region by people who are only loosely answerable to Ministers nationally and who are not effectively answerable to the region. We are clear that business and local authorities

see the regional development agency as having real value and as adding something definite that we need, but that needs to be done on the basis of genuine accountability. As I hinted earlier, the leaders’ board is one way to achieve that, and we as Members of Parliament have a vital role in that respect.

One NorthEast recently announced its plans regarding the curiously titled JEREMIE funding scheme—the name stands for the Joint European Resources for Micro to Medium Enterprise Initiative, but the scheme basically provides capital for business at a time when business needs it. That is one of a number of welcome projects.

A number of other things work well in the north-east. Objective testing by the Healthcare Commission shows that we have better health services overall than most of the rest of the country, which is a really good thing. There are also absolutely cutting-edge medical developments in our region.

Our local government also generally has a good record, which is surprising in a way because it is very unpopular for much of the time. If we objectively compare it with other regions, however, we see that the quality of its work is high. A number of authorities are involved in really valuable schemes. Newcastle city council has extended apprenticeships and created 80 additional apprenticeships, bringing the total to 200. All the region’s authorities have joined an agreement on common procurement standards to ensure that businesses can tender to authorities throughout the region without having to fill in completely different forms and applications. The region’s authorities have also all signed up to the prompt payment code and committed themselves to carbon-reducing initiatives, which is good news.

What do we need to add to those good things to help us cope with what, as I said, is a serious situation for the region? First and foremost, I must mention transport. One disadvantage that the region faces is that it is further from many of its markets than are other parts of the United Kingdom, which makes investment in transport more central for us than for at least some other regions. The North East Economic Forum underlined that when it said that it was vital to improve our links with the rest of the north and the wider UK and that access to markets was crucial if we were to increase economic participation. We referred earlier to the A1 and the link between England and Scotland, which is also the link between the east coast ports and many of the industries to which they relate. The A1 is a strategic road, and we cannot carry on with a situation in which parts of it are an inadequate country lane. I think that the Minister realises that, but he needs more weight behind him if we are to achieve progress. I agree with him that progress can probably be achieved only incrementally, but we have to see some of the increments.

Mr. Brown: Given the long-standing difficulties, which have been with us for several decades, I have offered a rational way forward and I hope that I can count on the right hon. Gentleman’s support in trying to make it a reality. Incidentally, I was grateful for his kind remarks about the work of the development agency. Our development agency serves our region well and is a good example to development agencies in other parts of the country. The right hon. Gentleman has spoken kindly about the development agency’s work, but I understand that it is his party’s policy to abolish it.

Perhaps he can reassure me on that and also join me in a cause that he says is dear to his heart, namely the widening of the A1 north of Newcastle up to Berwick.

“A Fresh Start for Britain” is a Liberal Democrat policy document that, as well as promising road pricing, which means tolls across the River Tyne, states:

“We will end motorway widening schemes.”

That is a definitive statement—it is not followed by, “Except those leading to the parliamentary constituencies of Liberal Democrat Members of Parliament”—but how is that pledge not to spend any money in this area compatible with what the hon. Gentleman has said?

The Chairman: Order. I ought to remind the Committee about two points. First, interventions must be brief, and secondly, the debate is on Government policy, not on Opposition parties’ policy.

Sir Alan Beith: I remind the Minister that the A1 north of Newcastle is not a motorway by any stretch of the imagination. It is a single carriageway that needs to be a dual carriageway. I entirely support the policy of giving up on constantly widening the motorways that cut across the midlands and the south of England. Adding extra lanes to the M25, for example, does not make environmental sense and, rather than assisting the strategic development of regions that need more economic activity, congests regions that already have heavy rates of such activity. Perhaps I need to provide the Minister with a more detailed explanation; I would be happy to assist him in that respect.

On road transport—this issue is close to the Minister’s own constituency so he will be well aware of it—what will happen upon the completion of the second Tyne tunnel? If we do not proceed with work on the roundabouts at either end of the Tyne tunnel, which connect it to the rest of the road system, the creation of the second tunnel will not achieve its purpose of reducing congestion in Tyneside or of opening up travel into south-east Northumberland and further into north Northumberland. I hope that the Minister has that firmly on his agenda, because if not it will generate a considerable problem.

Sir Stuart Bell: Since we are debating the regional economy, does the right hon. Gentleman approve of the second Tyne tunnel as a contribution to that economy?

Sir Alan Beith: The second Tyne tunnel is a contribution to the regional economy and I am happy that the decision has been made. However, it will not make sense if access to the second tunnel does not feed into the road systems. Part of our objective is to see traffic transferred from road to rail, so we have to look to our rail system to achieve that.

There are two aspects to this. First, we have already discussed our concern about high-speed rail. I am generally in favour of it, but my primary concern is that if we get it, as has been put to us by the Conservative party and by the report received by the Government—they did not write it—the projects do not cover the north-east of England. If the north of England is not a part of the high-speed rail project from the beginning, investment will be pulled towards regions where high-speed rail is a certainty. I suspect that all members of the Committee believe that when high-speed rail happens, the north of

England needs to be integrated. High-speed rail has tremendous potential and possibilities, and we are way behind not just Japan, but Spain in developing it.

In the meantime, while decisions are being made, improvements on the east coast mainline could achieve significant benefits for the region. The Leamside and other rail lines could be improved to open up existing lines into south-east Northumberland. Also, people should be able to board trains that are already there, such as that at Belford station which stops twice a day but nobody can get on it because a platform has not been built for it yet. All sorts of small-scale things can be done to allow more traffic to transfer from road to rail and to increase the east coast main line’s capacity. The Minister must recognise how important transport is.

There are a number of other things that I want to mention that are important to our region now. Bank lending to businesses is crucial. The Government now own seven of the major banks. They really have to lean on them to say, “You need to be lending to business, not in a reckless way but in a properly secured way, and not at penal rates of interest that business cannot accommodate.”

What is crucial to our region—it is already very valuable—is education. Education, including higher education and further education, in particular the former, has been a major factor in the economy of the region for a number of reasons. First, it is a major employer; it is one of the major employers on Tyneside, for example. Within the region, we have an array of excellent universities. They bring people into the region and the synergy between the universities and business in the region is extremely successful and valuable, and it needs to be continued and encouraged. Universities also help to raise skill levels within the region.

We need more development in further education in the region. Of course, a number of colleges in the region were hit by the college finance fiasco—the absolute chaos of colleges expecting funding that did not subsequently arrive. Those colleges had committed a great deal of expenditure to projects, even in some cases to preparation of sites, that did not then go ahead. That was a very serious piece of mismanagement of public resources, as the Government themselves recognised. We need our further education. There are parts of the region, particularly in the north of Northumberland, where we have little or no further education. There is almost no further education provided in my constituency. There is a tiny element provided by way of extension at Berwick. Otherwise, it is just too far—50 miles—for many young people to travel to access further education. We need to see development on that front. Again, I think that all the authorities realise that, but they have not delivered yet.

We have seen investment in schools. I must say that some of the investment in schools—some of the academy investment—has been in places that felt they were well enough provided with places already. I know that some of the Labour Members, such as the hon. Member for Blyth Valley who is not here today, have been extremely critical of the academy proposal in Blyth, for example, while we could have done with an academy in Alnwick and investment in the high school there. I am glad to say that the Schools Minister is coming to visit Alnwick shortly to look at the desperate state of the school

buildings at the Duchess community high school. His predecessor had promised to make the visit but did not make it before getting moved to another job. I hope that this Schools Minister does not move before making the visit to Alnwick. Investment in education is crucial to us.

We also have problems in many areas in terms of housing improvement and affordable housing; investment in that sector would be for the region. I also mentioned to the Minister earlier some of the problems about energy efficiency in rural properties. I will talk to him in more detail about that issue outside this Committee.

One of the things that could help a lot would be if we were able to develop facilities for the rural businesses. In many of the rural areas – it is true in Northumberland and in the Dales too – broadband crucially opens up opportunities, both for existing businesses and for new businesses to be created, and also for home working. So we need to look at innovative ways to get broadband into those communities. Alston Moor, which is just over the border in Cumbria, has a very exciting scheme doing that, working with local people who would like to see more than that scheme.

We want to see initiatives to deal with youth unemployment, both locally and nationally. We were talking at our conference last week about new initiatives for youth unemployment, such as a new and enlarged paid internship scheme, and for more university and college places. Those things seem to us to be a better way of spending money than the VAT cuts.

The Labour party has been in power throughout most of the north-east for as long as most people can remember. Although it has now been replaced in power in Newcastle by the Liberal Democrats and in Northumberland by a leadership from the Liberal Democrats, the Labour party has been in a very strong position. We have had a Labour Government for a long period and for most of that period the Prime Minister represented a north-east constituency.

However, there have been an awful lot of missed opportunities over that period. Some things that were done were good for this region. Take the minimum wage, for example. I can use that example because I was a bit sceptical about the minimum wage, to be honest; I felt that it might lead to job-shedding. I must say that it was a success story. But what did the Government do? They then took away with one hand what they had given with the other—the abolition of the 10p tax rate. They had gone through an extraordinarily expensive process to restore the money that had been taken away from people. Many parts of this region, including my constituency, are certainly low-wage areas, and such action has had a serious impact.

Another missed opportunity for the region was the Lyons review. Where are the jobs that could have been moved out of London to the north-east? We have benefited less from the Lyons review than almost any other region and the supposed process of transferring Government jobs. I accept that Governments have to get a bit tough with the civil service on such matters. People say that it is impossible to operate from other parts of the country, but that is nonsense. The local Department for Children, Schools and Families has carried out much of its work from Darlington for many

years. A significantly small part of the local Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs operates within my constituency and, with modern technology, much more Government work could be moved out of London to regions such as the north-east.

However, apart from the lack of jobs coming to the area, local tax offices are being closed in places such as Alnwick, Morpeth and Hexham and not being replaced. I have put it to Ministers that, even if it were felt necessary to centralise the operation of tax collection inception or other work, why not use those offices and train the staff to carry out those functions. Years ago when the Ministry of Agriculture decided to close its regional offices at Alnwick, I went to the then Minister, Peter Walker, and asked if something else could be done. He actually found a library function and transferred it to Alnwick. That office now does a different job. It deals with the expenses claims of officials at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. I am sure that the House of Commons expenses claims would have been dealt with much more strictly and rigorously if such work had been done from an efficient office in Alnwick.

Perhaps one of the matters that we ought to deal with and which has been featured in most discussions is the Barnett formula. The Commons has presided over a formula that was created years ago by a Chief Secretary to the Treasury who now says that he had never intended it to last so long. It has determined the balance of spending between England and Scotland, but does not make a similar provision for the north-east region, which has many problems to those experienced by Scotland. That is a huge missed opportunity.

Let us also consider the massive waste in central micro-management and directing too much from the centre, such as targets, and thus involving the constant response of all sorts of bodies. The Government calculated that it cost local councils £1.8 million to respond to their 556 performance indicators. We should be devolving decision making and trusting people in the region. We cannot do what Scotland and Wales or even the Isle of Man can do, which is to take the money that is available to that part of the world and decide how best it can be spent and what, from a regional point of view, we think is the best way in which to use it. Those decisions are effectively taken for us and the regional Minister goes to London to persuade his colleagues to make different decisions. Such decisions would be better made and have better outcomes if they were made in this region.

It is still my view that this region will cope with the recession and build recovery far more effectively if its own elected representatives are given the opportunity to work with the region’s businesses, public bodies, voluntary organisations and communities on the basis of a fair financial settlement and decide in the region what it needs and how that can be provided. Even if we had what I want, which is much more regional decision making than we have now, there are crucial national decisions to be made about public spending.

In dealing with the recession at national level, we have to get the timing right. It is useless to pretend otherwise because we all know that we cannot continue public spending indefinitely at present levels and at present levels of tax income. We will have to reduce debt levels during the years to come, but if we start the retrenchment too soon, this region will suffer and the

recession will not be overcome. Governments have to spend during recessions. That is basic Keynesian economics. The key judgment that central Government must make—so far, they have not got it wrong—is that now is not yet the moment to start the retrenchment process. We have to prepare for it and begin looking at what we will need to do to contain levels of public spending, but we are not yet at the point in the cycle when it would make sense to do so. To do it too soon would be severely to the detriment of the north-east of England.

Several hon. Members rose

The Chairman: Order. There are 81 minutes remaining, so the mathematics are not difficult. We are without the normal aide-mémoire of the clock behind us but there are now 80 minutes left and eight right hon. and hon. Members seeking my eye, so please keep an eye on the time.

12.10 pm

Mr. Clelland: Thank you, Mr. Cook. I echo others in welcoming the opportunity to be here in Middlesbrough town hall under your chairmanship at this first meeting of the North East Regional Grand Committee. It is a great initiative and I want to congratulate our Government on bringing about these Grand Committees, particularly here in the north-east, which is probably one of the most successful held so far. It is a great initiative, though no substitute for regional government for which many of us in this room campaigned long and hard. We cannot make decisions here but we can draw attention to the region’s problems and its potential in our debates.

It is also interesting, if not a pleasure, to follow the right hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed. I agree with much, though not all, of what he said. It will be interesting to read the transcript of his speech because much of what he said is needed for the future of the region will involve a great deal of public expenditure, which does not fit too well with the savage cuts announced by his leader at the conference last week.

The north-east has a proud and, for too many workers, sometimes a painful history in manufacturing and mineral extraction. These industries dominated over centuries and painted a picture of a grimy and scarred landscape—of ships and trains belching smoke, of noisy and dirty factories, of coal heaps and the residual waste that created black hills to challenge the beauty that the north-east countryside and coast are now able to showcase to the world, encouraging the growth of the visitor economy referred to earlier by the Minister.

Most of our grimy history has gone and we are faced with the challenge of replacing the thousands of jobs it supported with new employment and new opportunities. Too often in the past when hard economic times hit the United Kingdom, the north-east took an unfair share of the consequences. North-east industry, along with the jobs it supported, was often the first to suffer. Today, however, having worked to replace the old industries with new, our region is much better placed than ever to weather the storm and to come through the economic downturn with optimism and hope for the future. But is the storm over? Reading the pages of the regional business press—which I often do as I am sure do other Members—we can see just in the past couple of weeks, comments such as,

“the long term outlook for the region’s exporters looks buoyant”

from the Newcastle Journal of 16 September. We read of our region’s excellence in chemicals and biotechnology, pharmaceuticals and auto-engineering and that regional businesses are optimistic that we are

“well placed to take advantage of the recovery when it comes”.

If economic forecasters have it right, the recovery may well be on the way, thanks to the actions of our Government at home and the lead given by our Prime Minister to the rest of the industrialised world. However, we cannot be complacent and just lie back and hope that the recession is over and wait for orders to come and jobs to follow. We have to get out there and win orders, and sell our businesses and our skills in order to build the prosperous future that our region deserves. That is the call made recently by the north-east chamber of commerce and the Newcastle Journa l—the need for increased overseas trade to boost our economic prospects. Of course, much of that trade will be with Europe. Businesses in the north-east currently export to Italy, the Netherlands, Spain, Poland, Germany, Belgium, the Irish Republic and so on. It is therefore in the best interests of our region and regional employment and business that we remain an integral and committed member of the European Union, something the Euro-sceptical Conservative party and the anti-Europe United Kingdom Independence party would jeopardise given the opportunity.

We learn from local companies, such as Stockton Building Services, of the need for public spending in education, health and defence to provide work opportunities for our people. The Labour Government are committed to continuing the economic stimulus that has helped us through the recession and will eventually see us on the upturn. In my constituency, British Aerospace on Scotswood road is awaiting the announcement of MOD orders that will maintain its work force and its excellent apprenticeship scheme. In a recent question to a Defence Minister in the House of Commons, I was assured that the announcement would come soon. I urge the Minister for the North East to ensure that it does.

As we are approaching a general election and discussing the future of our regional economy, it is relevant to examine what that future might hold. The Conservatives are hellbent on putting a stop to public investment and cutting the important social provision brought in by this Government over the past 12 years. Although the Prime Minister acknowledged at the recent TUC conference, as did the right hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed a few minutes ago, that efficiency savings and cuts in waste and unnecessary programmes would have to be made, he was equally clear that continued public investment remains crucial to a lasting and sustainable recovery. The Prime Minister was also clear that important front-line public services should not be threatened.

The right hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed will see that the Prime Minister accepts that there is a need for public restraint, but that is a far cry from the savage cuts referred to by the Liberal Democrat leader at the party conference last week. Under the Liberal Democrats’ proposals, even important front-line services could be threatened by cuts. Their Treasury spokesman, the hon. Member for Twickenham (Dr. Cable), has said that nothing should be ruled out and that there should be no ring-fencing.

The Conservative party has not yet spelled out the full extent of what cuts it would make, apart from increasing the price of beer in the House of Commons,

but we can glimpse what a Conservative Government would mean by reading the recent report published the party’s friends in the Institute of Directors and the TaxPayers’ Alliance. Stockton Building Services will be concerned to hear of the proposal that the Government’s Building Schools for the Future programme should go, as well as the education maintenance allowance that has encouraged so many youngsters from poorer families to stay on at school and gain the qualifications that will help them in future employment. So too would Sure Start, one of the Labour Government’s major achievements, which helps parents of pre-school children with their development during the opportune early years.

The Conservatives would scrap Labour’s plans for extending the school-leaving age to 18, cut £687 million from grants to voluntary organisations, freeze the basic state pension and abolish interest subsidy to student loans. Add to this their recommendation that universal free bus travel to the elderly and free TV licences should be scrapped, and it can be seen that no one would escape the painful consequences of their policies. In a region where public spending accounts for 53 per cent. of GDP, we must take threats of such cuts seriously. Avoiding them will be in the hands of the electorate in due course.

In the meantime, when the economic downturn finally becomes an upturn and employment begins to grow once more, we in the north-east need to be ready to take full advantage of it and ensure that our region is at the forefront of the recovery. I believe that we are better placed to do so today than we have ever been. I have mentioned our excellence in various fields of industry, but others are waiting in the wings or emerging even now, such as renewables, clean coal technology, low-carbon energy technologies and electric vehicles. I point out to my right hon. Friend the Minister that one firm at the cutting edge of battery technology is Sevcon, in my constituency. I urge him to visit the firm to hear what it has to say about the great potential of electric vehicles for the future.

We are well placed to forge ahead in those areas and provide a boost to our region’s economy, as well as to make our contribution to the green agenda and the nation’s energy needs. We have the coal, offshore specialists, technological expertise and manufacturers to do so. Ironically for a region that has boasted some of the nation’s most skilled workers, we face a shortage in skills that could jeopardise our progress. That is why it is so important to continue to invest in education and training, and why our young people should have every assistance to access the excellent further and higher education and training opportunities available to them right here, in this region.

We will need help from the Government as well, of course, not least to improve our internal and external transport links, to which the right hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed referred. Proposals that the next major extension of high-speed rail should occur on the west coast are not acceptable to our region, although I notice that Network Rail suggests in more recent publications that that should be followed by routes through Sheffield and Newcastle. However, those are proposals made by others, not the Government. To be fair to the Secretary of State for Transport and the Government, no decision has yet been taken. The various

opinions touted will be taken into consideration when the body set up to report on high speed 2, the next phase of high-speed rail, finally presents its report to the Government. So we need to ensure a strong voice for our region in that process.

But, public spending on other capital projects is also vital to this region. Our major road network needs to be upgraded to provide safe and efficient links to the north, south and west. The A66, A69 and Al north of Newcastle are three examples of this. I have long banged on about our region being isolated from the country’s motorway system and at least that is now being addressed by the Government. Works are under way as we speak to link the A1(M) in the north-east to the Ml by replacing the current dual carriageway between Scotch Corner and Dishforth with motorway. That is very welcome public investment which, while it is not in our region as the Minister pointed out, will nevertheless be a big improvement to our motorway links with the midlands and the south. Also welcome is the new Tyne crossing; it will be of huge benefit to the travelling public and to industry and commerce.

Public investment, properly directed, has been, and will continue to be, a vital element in our region’s future prospects and development. We have a proud and sometimes painful history here in the north-east. We have built the nation’s ships and provided its energy and we have felt the pain of recession and economic downturns too often. But we have come through all of that and we now have the determination and ability to build on what we have learned. This is a great region, a great place to live, to learn and to work. I believe we are better placed than ever before to take the region forward to a brighter future if we work together and make best use of the opportunities available. We have a proud past, but the best is yet to come. I believe the north-east can now look forward with confidence to an even greater future.

The Chairman: There are 67 minutes remaining and seven Members are bidding for the floor.

12.22 pm

Ms Dari Taylor: I am grateful to be called and I am very pleased that we are having our first Grand Committee in Teesside. I am sure that my right hon. Friend the Minister would agree that today he is in the cream of the region.

I want to start by making a statement about the regional Select Committee. We have held meetings over the last four months and have met many people from the universities, the regional development agency, the business world and the employers’ associations. It has been a valuable period of exploration. My hon. Friend the Member for Blaydon, who is a member of that Select Committee, is sitting alongside me.

One statement that came through loud and clear in all our investigations and our evidence taking is that the RDA is performing an excellent job. That was said not just by the universities, as might be expected because they and their research and development are supported by the RDA, but by the employers. The Federation of Small Businesses said that if the RDA was not there to co-ordinate all the important parts of our commerce and industry, a similar body would have to be invented. That was a clear and positive statement. We are getting value for money from the £240 million.

The Regional Select Committee travelled to Blyth to look at the offshore wind development. It is exciting stuff. The people there believe that they are leading not only nationally, but globally and they need more and more support from the Government. We are delighted that they recently received £4 million. They explained how Clipper is taking off in a very imaginative way. We need to have things explained to us: we are politicians, not scientists. They told us that when their offshore wind farm is developed, one of the wings of the wind turbine will be as long as our football field here in Middlesbrough. It is an incredible size and an incredible delivery of energy. It is very exciting. We also went to Nissan and heard a similar story. I will comment later on the way in which Whitehall works, and I hope that the Minister will take my comments on board and help to rectify the situation.

We are seeing exciting developments that will be significant for future employment in the region. There is NETPark and its innovative electronics—startling stuff. Furthermore, we are not talking about just one university: Newcastle is involved in Blyth; Durham in NETPark; and Sunderland in Nissan. The universities and the whole of the north east are linked and work together purposefully. We ended our travels here in Wilton where we looked at the work on technologies such as clean coal and biofuels, fronted, in particular, by NEPIC. This is a very clear and seriously important gathering of information and evidence. The right hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed, who is a friend of mine, said that we are talking about the region during a recession. I accept that it is a difficult time, but we have so much to be optimistic about and so much that is contributing to the development of a great future for the northern region.

We are on the starting blocks with many different developments in many different areas of green energy technology. However, there are problems, and I would like the Minister to acknowledge them and, hopefully, help overcome them. The first problem relates to Whitehall. The Regional Select Committee is to take evidence from Whitehall officials from the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills. As we saw again and again, throughout the region, there is no doubt that Whitehall has brilliant ideas and very capable and clever people. Invariably, however, they seem to be stuck with Oxford university, Cambridge university and Imperial College London. What about us? We will make that case loud and clear. Billions of pounds are being invested, and we want some of it. We are as good as other regions, and should not be excluded. As has been stressed loud and clear, we are two and a half hours—three hours maximum—away from Whitehall, but we could be on a different planet from some people there and we are not prepared to accept that.

Secondly, we heard an impassioned plea, particularly when we visited Nissan: “Whitehall came up here with brilliant ideas about the formation of a new committee to bring together the sub-region of Sunderland, but we had a committee already and it was working. But they had a better idea and imposed their committee on us.” It took 18 months to bed in and was an awful waste of time, and many people involved in the process, giving vast amounts of their own time, felt thoroughly cheated. Whitehall thought that it had a brilliant idea, but it was not so brilliant, because the region was already delivering

the necessary research and commercial development activity. I hope that the Minister will take that point back to Whitehall. We will be speaking to people from BIS and requiring much more effective liaison with our regions.

There is a third problem that will not surprise anybody here, but I repeat it to the Minister with a keen sense that it is critical not only to define the problem, but to seek a resolution. The point concerns getting money—anything from £100,000 to £1 million—for new product manufacturing. The research might be good, and the product proving its efficacy, but getting banks to accept the risks is monumentally impossible. However, we need the impossible. NEPIC would give us chapter and verse about good products that we could develop and benefit from, but which are left on the table because it cannot secure those amounts of money. If more than £1 million is needed, the banks are much more interested, which strikes me as inordinately funny. However, if less than £1 million is needed, there is a serious problem. The Minister will know that Ensus, a £300 billion green energy company, will open its doors in Teesside this autumn. It is a phenomenal piece of delivery and we are thrilled that Ensus management has achieved that private industry, with the support of One NorthEast. We can do such things, but we must have venture capital that can support small product development, otherwise we would be missing so much from our economy.

I also want to say to the Minister—I am not the best at criticising my Government, and it is painful to make this criticism—that a road transport fuel agreement for biofuels of 5 per cent. by 2010 had been established. However, the publication of the Gallagher report caused everybody to reconsider the matter, because it was thought that the food and fuel debate had not been answered. It said that we, as greedy westerners, were pushing the fuel side of the debate, and that we were denying food to third world.

The Government took on board the argument made in the Gallagher report, but the problem is that if Government policy is not clear, absolute and unequivocal, as it should be, getting private money is monumentally problematic. We understand the debate on food and fuel, but the fact is that Teesside answered that debate clearly and purposefully. There is no way that we want to take food off tables so that we can drive our limousines—we do not want that and would not support it. I hope that the Minister can get a clear and carefully articulated policy that does not change halfway through. If policies change, it is seriously problematic for investment.

The innovative schemes that have been introduced have been very valuable. I have received letters, as I am sure have many of my colleagues, about the car scrappage scheme. I have one from Benfield, a motor group in the northern region, that states clearly that the scheme has been an unmitigated success, that it has maintained employment and that it has been incredibly valuable. The letter goes on to say that car scrappage has been an “incremental” scheme, because it has generated extra funds in VAT for Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs, which more than match the amount of money that the Government have put in. I am sure that the Minister will know what I am going to say next: 1 January 2010 is fast approaching and we would like the scheme to be

extended. This has been a no-cost scheme for the Government, and I would like the Minister to please keep it going.

I also want to thank the Minister and the Government for the innovation whereby companies have been allowed to pay national insurance contributions and VAT at a much slower rate, over a period of time. I have received letters from companies that tell me that the scheme is giving them breathing space and allowing them to survive. Please keep that going.

The Minister has given a lot in the debate on council tax, but we want more. We would prefer to spend money to create employment than simply to support empty property, so will the Minister look at the matter again?

I shall end by referring quickly to the next inquiry of the Regional Select Committee, which will be on tourism. We will publish the innovative industry report in October, and then begin the report on tourism. There is an absolute belief that, of everything we do, tourism is one of the major areas in which employment opportunities are seriously undermined. We know that with a better and more focused tourism policy, employment opportunities will zoom. Although we have not been to Berwick and further into Northumberland than Blyth so far, we will be asking the right hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed to welcome us to his constituency so that we can talk about, and take evidence on, tourism. The Minister made a statement about the Lindisfarne gospels. I could say much, but will not, because time is tight. He is right to say that they belong in the northern region. The British Library has had a tremendous run with the Lindisfarne gospels and they should now be back in the north.

Mr. Clelland: I have followed the debate on the Lindisfarne gospels, and I also have an interest in Greece, where I take many holidays. Greece is asking for the Elgin marbles back. I wonder whether the Minister might want to ask the Foreign Secretary to suggest in the United Nations that all artefacts belonging to areas that it has designated international heritage areas should be returned. That would get the Lindisfarne gospels back here, would it not?

Ms Taylor: Mr. Cook, perhaps you and others might imagine it. I would certainly love the Lindisfarne gospels to be returned but I am not overly confident about sending back to Greece many of the artefacts that we have. I find I am in a very difficult position.

Mr. Mullin: Don’t go there.

Ms Taylor: My hon. Friend could be right. In answer to my hon. Friend the Member for Tyne Bridge, I simply need to be reassured.

A condition report has been made on the Lindisfarne gospels. My hon. Friends the Members for City of Durham and for Gateshead, East and Washington, West worked stoically on the issue, and, according to the British Library, the document would allow us to house and exhibit the Lindisfarne gospels perhaps one year in seven or 10. I found the report markedly offensive.

If the gospels can travel one year in seven or one in 10, I suggest we should have them permanently, and the British Library should have the copy. The last time the gospels were in the region, there were queues around the block of 700 to 1,000 people waiting to view them.

My last comment is this: no cuts. I say that absolutely. I have no problem with savings or with efficiencies or a slowdown in the introduction of a new product, even though that could well mean identity cards—but no cuts. I am focused on the fact that if we keep people employed, they pay tax, do not receive unemployment benefit and contribute to our community. Working families tax credit, child tax credit and supporting people grant, which I shall discuss later privately, provide money that we need in the community. We need the banks to be less risk-averse and we need Government support.

Perhaps I am over-optimistic but I believe that there are green shoots, such as housing development and the new schools development in my patch. There is the new academy and the investment of more than £4 million in St. Patrick’s, with which we are delighted. The green shoots must continue, but that will not happen if we take the Conservative party line and cut public expenditure now.

Several hon. Members rose—

The Chairman: Order. I have no wish to inhibit or stifle debate—it is the last thing I want—but I remind hon. Members that we have 50 and a half minutes left. We are losing pace with the clock, and six hon. Members still want to catch my eye.

12.40 pm

John Cummings (Easington) (Lab): It is a pleasure to be in the great town of Middlesbrough to speak at the first meeting of the Grand Committee sitting in the region. I shall adhere to your request, Mr. Cook, and curtail what would have been quite a lengthy speech, dealing with various problems in my constituency, although great progress has been made there over a number of years.

We have to understand the background to the position we found ourselves in following the demise and dismantling of our major industry, which was, of course, the mining of coal. The dismantling of the mining industry and the premature closure of pits during the 1980s and 1990s under successive Tory Governments still truly rankles with people who live in traditional mining communities. That is a significant factor in understanding our labour market figures. In particular, the hard physical nature of mining work over many years has taken its toll on the health of the male population. That has manifested itself in ill health and incapacity in later life, and has certainly contributed substantially to the high levels of incapacity affecting many ex-miners. However, there has been a steady reduction in incapacity and long-term sickness benefit claimant figures since 2001. Remarkably, there has been a 20 per cent. reduction in claimants in Easington, with the numbers reducing every quarter since May 2003.

More recently, multi-million pound public and private sector investments—driven mainly by the Labour Easington district council, as it was then, and the Labour Durham

county council, as it is now—have certainly changed the face of Easington and helped to identify, so that we can diversify, our industrial base. Much of the work to secure investment in the area has borne fruit in the past three years. Over 8,200 more people were in employment in the Easington constituency in September 2007, compared with 2004, although we are now facing the additional challenge of a global economic downturn. This has also impacted on the automotive sector in Peterlee, where, last year, unfortunately, we saw considerable lay-offs in manufacturing and car component supply companies such as Caterpillar and NSK-AKS Steering Systems.

Nevertheless, multi-million pound investments are changing the face of Easington, and Labour, in government, working in concert with Durham county council and private sector partners, has already seen the realisation of a number of successful developments. Many others are ongoing—a number of which I know the Minister has visited and taken an interest in over the last several years. These include Byron Place in Seaham, an £18 million shopping mall with an array of high street names including Asda, Wilkinson and Argos. Work was completed on the 300,000 sq ft development by Modus Properties in October 2007. The new shopping development was commissioned to bring new life into the heart of Seaham and it has already created 200 new jobs.

I intend to identify those areas where progress has been made over a number of years, to indicate that all is not gloom and despondency in east Durham. On the back of the town centre redevelopment is the £19 million St John’s square development, which will see new commercial and community buildings and health facilities, and see the demolition of derelict and unsightly buildings. The dock company relocation is a £10 million project that started in 1999 to relocate the commercial port-related activity of the Seaham Harbour Dock Co. to the outskirts of the town. It involved the construction of a new freight rail terminal and a new transport hub for distribution networks. It truly paved the way for the recent town centre redevelopment and the future marina development.

Following the approval of £2 million of funding from the regional development agency, One NorthEast, the Seaham north dock is witnessing a series of works to boost the economic prosperity of the Seaham dock area. Works currently under way include the installation of new dock gates, the creation of a 77-berth marina and the provision of workspace accommodation for 12 marina-related businesses, creating up to 50 jobs and, I hope, a permanent home to display Seaham harbour’s seafaring heritage and the former Seaham harbour lifeboat, the George Emily. Unfortunately, the lifeboat was destroyed in 1962 in a disaster in which many people lost their lives, but it is undergoing restoration and will, I hope, prove to be a focal point once the redevelopment of the north dock is completed.

The first phase of the £16 million east Durham direct link road to Seaham from the Al(M) was completed in September 2008. The second phase—a £1.7 million single carriageway—connects Cold Hesledon junction to the new Hawthorn Prestige business park, which we hope will become home to the Geothermal Research Education and Training Institute and to green businesses involved in work on climate change and carbon dioxide reduction. The project will provide the opportunity to create many thousands of jobs in a global growth industry.

We should not forget the contribution of the private sector as an engine of economic recovery. In my constituency, the GT Group has shown the way forward in terms of innovation and has secured a considerable order book, which will help to safeguard existing engineering jobs and create new ones.

There is still more work in progress, with projects such as the £300 million world-class Centre for Creative Excellence earmarked for a 200 acre site south of Seaham, which could include educational facilities, a film studio, parkland, leisure facilities and a hotel, with the potential for 2,400 jobs and the magnificent vista of training opportunities for our young people in new media and the creative arts. I extend my thanks to the Minister for the personal interest and drive that he is showing in moving the project forward.

Labour in government has continued to address the structural problems of areas such as Easington and it is constantly working to raise the aspirations of the people of the town. We must continue to encourage investment in new physical infrastructures, such as the Hawthorn industrial park, Dalton park phase 2 and Spectrum business park, as well as in town centre developments in Peterlee and Seaham. It is also essential that we continue to diversify our employment base and provide new employment and training opportunities, especially for our young people, in a way that many would not have thought possible only a decade ago.

Labour in government has truly shown, and continues to show, the way forward, and I commend the positive and progressive policies that the Government have adopted. Those policies have worked in my constituency and have made a substantial contribution to the local, regional and national economy of the future.

Several hon. Members rose

The Chairman: Order. There are 41 minutes remaining, and there are still six names in the bidding. I call Sir Stuart Bell.

12.50 pm

Sir Stuart Bell: As we say in the House of Commons, everything that could be said will have been said, but not everybody has yet said it. Therefore, Mr. Cook, you will have to hear four more speakers saying the same kind of thing about what we are trying to do with the north-east regional economy.

Although we are talking about the regional economy, no one has mentioned The Sage Gateshead, which makes a huge contribution to our intellectual and cultural life in the north-east. We are proud to have opposite this place, for those Members of Parliament who would like a stroll afterwards, the Middlesbrough Institute of Modern Art. That is an extraordinary achievement when one thinks of the august occasions on which this council chamber might have been used, as the right hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed said. It was used in the first instance by Mr. Gladstone himself, way back in 1862, when he said that this town of ours was an infant Hercules. If he came today and saw MIMA, he might stop chopping down his trees and have a look at some of our wonderful portraits and paintings.

In terms of the regional economy and culture, I want to mention the Pentland school in Billingham. I had the honour of being at the Royal Albert hall last night for a

concert by the Northern Sinfonia, where it was announced that a national competition had been held among schools for the best composition. Lo and behold—I do not know how many people were there; maybe 10,000, as it was a full hall—the winning school was Pentland school in Middlesbrough. Actually, it is in your constituency, Mr. Cook; I am happy to acknowledge that, and I know that you have taken a big interest in the school. That achievement is not something that one might read about, but it is what we do in this area: children learn to compose music that ends up at the Royal Albert hall and in the music section of the BBC. It is an amazing achievement.

You, Mr. Cook, and my right hon. Friend the Minister will remember when we came into politics in Middlesbrough in 1981. You were MP for Stockton, North, and my right hon. Friend became the MP for Newcastle upon Tyne, East. Here in Middlesbrough between 1979 and 1981, we lost 22,000 manufacturing jobs, a number that would have filled Ayresome Park. As my hon. Friend the Member for Easington reminded us, we had the coal and steel industries. We had two blast furnaces in Redcar. We had shipbuilding, foundries and chemicals. We have seen the transformation. If Mr. Gladstone came back today, what would he see? He would see not only MIMA but a university in the heart of our town. When I came to Middlesbrough in 1981, we could not get 6,000 students for the polytechnic. We now have 23,000 students, and the university is up for a national prize organised by The Times Educational Supplement.

We see the changes. The old Stockton race course is now a wonderful showcase. We also have, of course, the Riverside football stadium, with a capacity of 35,000 spectators. Attendance is down at the moment, I must admit, but we had 18,000 at Ayresome Park. That shows what great pride we have in ourselves.

We also have an elected mayor. I never believed in the concept of an elected mayor. It is not something that I supported. Elsewhere in the country, there are elected mayors who are not particularly successful, but the elected mayor of Middlesbrough, like the elected mayor of Hartlepool, has made a great contribution to his town and economy. He has worked with the council and Members of Parliament to develop a coherent strategy for the town that enables us to advance while we deal with our crises. We recognise, as my right hon. Friend the Minister said, that although the recession did not begin in Middlesbrough or on Teesside, we must suffer the consequences. By working together, we move forward. One lesson that we have learned in the past seven years is that by working together—the mayor of Middlesbrough, Members of Parliament and the council—we add to our town. It is a great success story.

I will not make too long a speech. I have read the speeches that were made when the second world war began in 1939, 70 years ago. The Prime Minister announced the war in a two-minute speech. The Leader of the Opposition supported it in a two-minute speech. Winston Churchill and Lloyd George spoke for two minutes. Members of Parliament have made some progress since that time, but I will not delay the proceedings, as others wish to speak.

I end on Redcar and Corus. As you will remember, Mr. Cook, in 1981, you and I marched from Consett to Jarrow to protest against the closure of Consett steel

mill. We will not make a similar walk again, but will work with my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Redcar (Vera Baird), the Minister, other Members of Parliament, the owners and the trade unions. We have kept steel on Teesside for all these years. Steel production is improving, as is the market, and we are still there. We will give our heart and soul, and our time. Everything that can be done will be done.

I want a message of optimism to go out from this town hall to that area. We are tired of reading about doom and gloom. We should begin with the story of the school children because that is what we can achieve in our area. The rubbish that we read and the controversial TV programmes about how terrible we are and how bad everything is are wrong. We will move forward, and I hope and believe that we will do so with a Labour Government. The alternative is just too bad to think about. A recently retired member of the Bank of England’s Monetary Policy Committee said that if policy was changed too early, unemployment would rise to 5 million, as the right hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed mentioned. That would affect the people of Teesside and Middlesbrough, those in the service industry and those in manufacturing. This is a serious political game and we must win it in the interests of ordinary people.

Several hon. Members rose

The Chairman: Order. There are 33 minutes remaining and four Members are bidding for the floor.

12.57 pm

Mr. Mullin : May I say what a pleasure it is to be in a Victorian town hall that has not been demolished? We made the mistake of demolishing ours in 1970 and it has been regretted ever since. As the right hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed said, such public buildings reflect an age of confidence when this was a prosperous region. Those who built the public buildings knew that and had a statement to make. They built buildings that they knew would last for centuries, whereas we build ones that will be knocked down in 30 years. I hope that that trend is beginning to change.

As my hon. Friend the Member for Middlesbrough said, there is much doom and gloom these days. I do not think that it is entirely justified. The tabloid agenda—if I may summarise it as such—is that everything is bad and getting worse, that all MPs are useless, that the Government are useless, that nothing changes for the better and that everybody is in it for what they can get out of it. However, like other hon. Members I represent some of the poorest communities in the country and the lives of my constituents have changed significantly for the better in the last 10 or 12 years.

In 1997, there were people in Sunderland who earned £1 an hour. There were not just one or two such people. It included workers in paper mills, security guards and care workers. The minimum wage, which is getting up to £6 an hour, and tax credits have made a big difference to the lives of those people. In the mid-1990s in Sunderland, one had to wait for two years for a hip operation at the local hospital. I have no doubt that it was the same elsewhere. One can now have such an operation within 18 weeks. As we know, a huge amount has been invested in the health service nationally.

About 10 or 15 years ago, only 9 or 10 per cent. of the pupils at Sandhill View school in my constituency were achieving five A to C grades at GCSE. Just one tenth of the pupils were meeting that minimum standard. The school has been entirely rebuilt. It has been put under completely new management. It is a community school, so the buildings are not all shut up during the holidays or when the school is not functioning. It is really part of the community. And with exactly the same catchment area it now scores near to 50 per cent., including maths. I can see that there is a long way to go—everybody can see that—but, my goodness, that is quite a large change. I would think that it is actually among the biggest changes that have taken place anywhere in the country, coming from such a low point as Sandhill View did.

We have suffered, like everybody else, the loss of a lot of our traditional manufacturing industries—glass, shipbuilding, the mines, a lot of engineering—and those things did not stop closing just because a Labour Government were elected in 1997. We all know that is a result of world forces that are beyond the control of any Government, never mind any politician. But what we have been successful at—I think this is true across the region and other contributions today have reflected it—is diversifying our economy, reinventing ourselves and making us actually less vulnerable to the slings and arrows of fortune, particularly now in the current recession. On the outskirts of my constituency is Doxford international business park. Some 15 years ago it was an empty site: 7,500 people now work there, all of them in industries or businesses that did not exist in Sunderland, certainly, at that time.

I mention all those things and I could mention more, just to say that I do not accept the line that everything is bad and getting worse—and it needs to be challenged regularly. Anyone with eyes to see can see the kinds of things that I have just talked about in their own constituencies and throughout the region. I doubt whether those changes for the better have occurred just in this region or just in my constituency. I suspect that they are reflected across the country. Although I do not attribute all of them, of course, to the fact that there is a Labour Government, I do think that the fact that we have had a Labour Government for the last 12 years has something to do with it.

We have talked about future challenges here, and we all know that there are plenty of them. Hon. Members have identified some of them and the Minister, who made an excellent speech, has enumerated some, so I will just touch on them. It seems to me that one of the ways forward for this region is for it to make itself a leader in this country and perhaps in Europe in renewable energy technology. Electric cars have been mentioned. Thank God for Nissan, incidentally. When we were losing all the mines, the shipyards and the engineering, up came Nissan and demonstrated that you can set up a car plant using our work force, which is as good as any in the world. We have heard a lot about the British work force up to that time, and how they were not up to this or that and about how everything was going to have to go somewhere else. Actually, Nissan demonstrated that workers on Wearside and in the north-east are as good and efficient as those anywhere in the world, given the right management and the right investment, which certainly has occurred with Nissan. That has made an enormous difference to the area that I represent, not only because

of the 3,000 or 4,000 people employed at Nissan, but because of all the spin-off industries as well. Now it looks as though there is a chance that we can become a world leader with electric cars, and I welcome that.

One area that has not been touched on is waste disposal. I think that this is one of the great challenges facing the human race over the 40 or 50 years. If you look at the booming economies of India and China, which are growing by 8 per cent. or 10 per cent., where is all the waste going to go? I saw an article in a newspaper that said plastic was invented in 1909 and that every bit of plastic since that time, with the exception of a small amount that may have been burned, is still in existence today. Where is it all going? Where is it all going to go? Where is this plastic cup or this bottle going to go when I have finished drinking out of it? It is one of the greatest challenges that we face. We cannot go on as we are. We have got to get a great deal more sophisticated about how we live our lives, in the first place—that is, switch to tap water—and about how we dispose of the waste that has been generated and cannot be reduced. Some high-tech solutions are going to be required. I am glad to say that, although this region lags behind the country when it comes to waste disposal—and this country lags behind the rest of western Europe—we are making some progress now. Three local authorities in my area—Sunderland, South Tyneside and, I think, Gateshead—have got together to invest in new plant and high-tech solutions. That is an area in which we have quite a big part to play if we choose to go down that road.

The other area on which we must spend a great deal of money and effort is education. The Government have been doing that over the past 10 or 12 years. We must have the skills that enable us to compete in the world. Most of the rest of the world, and certainly east Asia, have worked out that they must have such skills if they are to hold their own in the world. Traditionally, we have lagged behind, but we have not done badly. We have made education a great deal more practical so that young people coming out of school have the kind of skills that are needed to connect them up with industry. Moreover, we have universities linked to industry. However, we must continue making big investments in education if we are to hold our own in the world.

Finally, I want to flag up the issue of the growth in agency workers. Any discussion about efficiency always seems to involve talk of laying off people who have secure jobs and replacing them with people who have insecure jobs. As a result, there is a class of people growing up in this country—they are in all our constituencies—who have no access to occupational pensions, sick pay, holiday pay, redundancy pay or any of the little things that we have quaintly come to associate with civilisation over the past hundred years and for which my party has struggled. Suddenly, there is a class of people who do not qualify for such benefits. It is a big and widening divide that needs to be challenged.

I am concerned about the kind of bidding war that is opening up on how much we can all cut. That is the wrong debate. Obviously, we all know that, at the end of the day, the Government must balance the books, but it should be done in a sensible and non-hysterical way. I listened to that shameful piece of opportunism by the Liberal Democrat leader who called for bold and savage cuts. I do not wish to embarrass the right hon. Member

for Berwick-upon-Tweed, who, I suspect, is not as signed up as his party leader to such cuts, but I think that the speech was a cynical bid to attract the votes of the southern middle classes. That is the kind of language that will get us all into trouble because it drives the debate further forward in that direction and there will be consequences, especially for a region such as this which is heavily dependent on Government spending.

When I was first elected in 1987, there were parts of my constituency in which all civilised life had collapsed. Our job as Members of Parliament was to evacuate people who could no longer bear to live in the streets and estates in which the world of work had collapsed and in which there was an epidemic of crime and yobbery. Such a situation arose as a result of the bold and savage cuts that the incoming Government had made at the beginning of the 1980s. A generation of youth grew up—and many still cause us problems—who had no prospect of work, no skills and no hope. Many of them went on to pass through the criminal justice system, and we are, to some extent, still clearing up the mess in this region and in other parts of the country. I hope that there will be no repeat of that folly.

In the great depression in 1929, or whenever it started, one of the first things that the Republican Government did was to make bold and savage cuts. By doing that, they dug the pit a great deal deeper around the world—not just in America—than it need have been.

Sir Alan Beith: I hope that the hon. Gentleman recognises that real reduction in expenditure never takes place if ring-fencing is in place. If we are to ensure that money is saved on the right things, we must examine every area of expenditure and make the cuts at the right time.

Mr. Mullin: I recognise that. I know that painful decisions have to be made and that Government have the responsibility to balance the books. I am just a bit worried about the way the debate is going now, because it appears to be driving us all headlong in that direction, when I suspect that some calmer heads are required. The next election will not be a beauty contest between Mr. Cameron and Mr. Brown; it will be about the future of this country. We are at a crossroads. If we go down the road of bold and savage cuts, the future of this country will be determined for some time to come, and eventually, no doubt, some new Labour Government will be elected and will have to clear up the mess all over again. That will be for a new generation of politicians, since I am retiring at the next election, but I hope that we do not go there.

Several hon. Members rose

The Chairman: Order. There are 20 minutes remaining, with three Members bidding.

1.11 pm

Mr. Anderson : I fully associate myself with the comments made by my hon. Friend the Member for Sunderland, South. I come from that town and lived and worked in the Easington constituency with my hon. Friend the Member for Easington. For some of us, the discussion about recession is not academic, but real. We know

what it was like 20 years ago. That recession, and the one 30 years ago, were deliberately engineered by a Government who believed that unemployment was a price worth paying. It was a price that was paid not by the Tory elites or the Old Etonians, but by the people who live in this and other similar areas. We do not want to go back to that. That is why despite the fact that the recession we are in at the moment is global and not of our own making, I am glad that the attitude taken by our Government has not been to sit back and leave the people alone, but to intervene and do the right thing for the people of this country.

It is not all good news—quite clearly, it is not. In my own constituency, we lost jobs at Virgin Media. We had a major job impact at the dairy in Blaydon, and despite fantastic input from One NorthEast, the Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, and from many trade unions, we lost 300 jobs—a real blow to the area. There has clearly been an impact in my constituency, on the financial sector and the supply chain around the motor industry, and on small businesses that have been desperately let down by the banks.

But there is good news locally as well. The BAE factory in Birtley has secured a contract to supply ammunitions to the MOD for 15 years. It has been so successful that the factory will move from Birtley to the neighbouring constituency in Washington, but that is a positive move in terms of securing jobs and industry for this region. I have more good news, which will please my hon. Friend the Member for Sunderland, South. Graphite, which is moving into the waste disposal industry, has built a state-of-the-art factory in the Tyne valley in Blaydon. It will deal with over 350,000 tonnes of waste a year—100 per cent. goes in at one end, and only 20 per cent. will come out the other. At the moment—when it is up and running—80 per cent. will be recycled. Discussions are going on with people in this part of the world about converting the remaining 20 per cent. into fuel—a win-win for everyone. It is a relatively small project in terms of what we are talking about for the wider south-of-Tyne disposal, which may well be placed in Gateshead, but it is clearly positive. It has created 50 new jobs, and for some of those jobs, the people who are running that factory have worked with the people who have lost their jobs at the dairy to try to get them redeployed. That is a good example of businesses working together in partnership with One NorthEast to try to support people.

Even more important going forward is the great stuff that has been happening at De La Rue plant in the Tyne valley. De La Rue has a long history in printing bank notes. In the past year, it has increased its work force by 80. Even better, it has won the contract for producing the new passports for this country for the foreseeable future: a £400 million contract that will create 80 new jobs, with very high-tech, high-skilled and highly paid work right in the heart of my constituency.

I take on board what my hon. Friend the Member for Sunderland, South said. We should say to people who knock this area, the real moaning Minnies, “Go and have a look. Open your eyes. Have a walk down the quayside in Newcastle and in Gateshead and think what it was like 10 or 20 years ago. Go and have a look in places such as Merton and Seaham.” Seaham is unrecognisable—the site that was Vane Tempest colliery now has some of the best quality housing anywhere in

this country. We have the Seaham Hall hotel—it was beyond anyone’s wildest dreams that something like that would ever be in our constituencies. Those are tremendous things, in addition to the reality of what we have to offer right across the region. I suggest to the people who are here today, not just my colleagues, that they visit some of those places. The journalists and broadcasters should go out and have a look at what is going on in this area.

I wanted to speak about the work being done in the Regional Select Committee. I will not go into detail of my hon. Friend the Member for Stockton, South covered so admirably, but I want to mention NETPark and NAREC—the new and renewable energy centre—and Alcan, which is doing tremendous work not just in producing aluminium for the world, but in developing carbon capture and storage. People should go and see what is being done in those places. Nobody there is negative. The people there face tough times and are in competition with the world, but they are delivering quality. They are not sitting back—they are getting stuck in.

A year ago, my hon. Friend the Member for Gateshead, East and Washington, West and I met representatives of the association of councils about what we could do to try to bring forward training facilities for people working for Nissan. Working together with the Education Secretary of State responsible for higher education, we were able to convince Gateshead college and Nissan to work together with the Department and they brought forward training opportunities. Unfortunately, that did not change the fact that 1,200 people had to lose their jobs at Nissan, but we made a visit to Nissan at the beginning of the summer recess and were told that it has re-employed some of those people and the factory is working flat out—and that is before we get the electric vehicles. Its car production is at least one and a half times greater than it had envisaged before the recession hit. It reckons that if the recession had not hit, it would be producing three times more than had been estimated. That is a success story of which we should all be very proud.

I also want to mention the work going on down at Wilton with NEPIC. People face real problems, as my hon. Friend the Member for Stockton, South highlighted, but they are not sitting back and moaning about it. They might moan that they want more from the Government, and it is right that they want that. It is the role of those of us here today to try to secure it. We make no excuses about that, but the people down there are committed to this region.

I will touch on Corus. I hope that there is no need for my solution, because my solution would ultimately mean that more public money was needed for the nationalisation of the steel industry. I hope that Tata can deliver. I hope that it works together with the MPs, the work force and other people to ensure the security of the steel industry, because it is not just about this part of our region; it is about the whole of the region, particularly if we are to be successful at developing the technologies that will drive this place forward. If we are to build 7,000 offshore wind turbines, which has been committed to; if we are to start developing the offshore coal industry again, which is being piloted by Newcastle university; and if we are to develop CCS and have hundreds of miles of pipe coming out of the North sea, we will need a steel industry. Otherwise, we will end up

having to ship our steel halfway around the world, which would defeat the purpose of having a CCS policy and a clean coal policy. We need to think seriously about that.

If the talks at Corus fail and the reality is that the plant has to shut, I would seriously say to the Minister that we want the Government to intervene—to continue intervening. People on the street will say, “Why shouldn’t you? You intervened to save the banks.” A lot of people say, “We don’t know why you did that.” I am quite clear that if we had not intervened, we would not have had a banking system in this country, but the banking system is still letting us down. If we ultimately have to intervene to save the steel industry, we should do that.

I am very much looking forward to conducting the inquiry into tourism in our area. We have a huge offer in terms of tourism, from Saltburn right up the coast to Berwick—all the fantastic castles and beaches—and inland, there are some of the best moors and dales anywhere in the country. The work being done by One NorthEast in its “Passionate People, Passionate Places” project has been tremendous. This is one of the few tourist areas in the country that has seen growth in the last year, but we could do better: we could learn lessons from people in Northern Ireland, with its very troubled history, where they have focused on maximising their offer in terms of tourism. I suggest that it would do us good to talk to people there and possibly consider the report that was done by our colleagues on the Northern Ireland Committee a couple of years ago about how they approached the work on tourism.

The role of One NorthEast has been vital. The Conservatives are clearly going to do away with bodies such as One NorthEast; it is not very clear what the Liberal Democrats would intend to do. I understand that the leader wants to do away with them altogether. The shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer says that we should keep some possibly, but not others. Clearly, the leader of Newcastle council is committed to One NorthEast, because he sits on the board, and he does a good job there. The truth is that One NorthEast has been tremendous and letting it go would be a huge mistake. The possibility of all this falling apart is real. We have much more to argue for, but I never thought that I would agree with the CBI, whose director general, Richard Lambert, was quoted in The Observer over the weekend as saying, “Forgive me”—I should have brought my glasses; no, he didn’t say that—

“for sounding romantic…But we do have the capacity for a manufacturing renaissance over the next few years, and if we don’t grasp it, future generations will curse us one way or another.”

We have the chance in my constituency to build high-speed trains at Tyne yard and there is the possibility of tapping into more than 3 billion tonnes of coal off the North sea coast with the work of One NorthEast and Newcastle university, but we really, really need to keep the pressure on.

This is a clear dividing line between us and our potential replacement in Government. If, somewhere down the line—whether in nine months, six months or many years’ time—we are replaced by the Conservatives, make no mistake, they will not do the sort of things that we have done. They do not believe in intervention; they do not believe in investing in public services; and they do not believe in helping those who cannot help themselves. Look at the history of what they have done; we do not

need reminding of it, but we have to remind our people that the Conservatives have not changed. We do not want to go back there.

If you do not believe that, I suggest that everyone in this room and beyond look closely at the report mentioned by my hon. Friend the Member for Tyne Bridge. The Taxpayers’ Alliance and the Institute of Directors argue that they are not part of the Conservative party, but their membership suggests that they are very close. We know their friends by who they ride with. Along with the things that have already been mentioned—again, I wish I had my glasses—they want to reduce non-front-line staff in health and schools by 10 per cent.; reduce the size of the civil service by 10 per cent.; rationalise the framework of regional government and business support; and cut 25 per cent. from the Department for Culture, Media and Sport. If that happens, we can forget about the film studio in Seaham, forget about bringing the Lindisfarne gospels back up here and forget about the work going on around the Olympics.

The Taxpayers’ Alliance and the Institute of Directors also want a one-year freeze on the grants from the Department for Communities and Local Government to local and regional government. They also want to

“simplify and rationalise the skills system and the plethora of skills programmes”

—in other words, “Don’t help people who need help”—and they want a one-year freeze of the basic state pension and the minimum income guarantee. People need to realise that voting for the Conservatives at the next general election will mean a one-year pay freeze across the public sector and increased employee contributions to all unfunded public sector pensions. Those working in the public sector will have less pay because the Conservatives will take more off them to pay for their pensions.

The Taxpayers’ Alliance and Institute of Directors also want the abolition of child benefit and the child trust fund, as well as a further one-year pay freeze. We know what is in store for our country if the people make the mistake of voting Conservative in the next few months.

I am massively proud of this region. We have so much to be proud of, particularly the way we have worked so hard in the past decade to turn things around after the despair that we all felt at the end of the 1990s. I believe that this region and this country are genuinely safe in Labour’s hands, and that if the people of this country make the mistake of voting Conservative, they will rue the day.

The Chairman: We have only seven minutes remaining.

1.24 pm

Vera Baird (Redcar) (Lab): I was grateful for Ray Mallon’s amiable welcome. I am glad to be in this wonderful town hall and I welcome you—and your mobile phone—to the Chair, Mr. Cook. I also compliment my right hon. Friend the Minister for the North East on his leadership during his tenure of office, and on his excellent speech this morning. I was proud to be appointed, along with my hon. Friend the Member for City of Durham—she would have had a great deal to say today

but has unfortunately been cut out by the time limit—an assistant regional Minister at a time when an extra hand to the pump and another eye on our industrial future were needed. Happily, I have two of each.

The right hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed is right: we must retain the spending and the fiscal stimulus to see us through properly into the upturn. My hon. Friend the Member for Blaydon is right, too: history makes it very clear that the only people who will ensure that we get our share of that spending in the north-east are a Labour Government.

Redcar steelworks has been geared to export since 2004. The internal structure of Corus was such that it no longer wanted to take our steel from that time on. So well did our excellent mill do that we obtained a 10-year contract for a consortium of foreign purchasers to take everything that we could make. Over the four years that the 10-year contract lasted, it was not a steel mill, it was a gold mill for the purchasers. They made an estimated £700 or £800 million—a considerable profit—because we were able to price our work so competitively that it was well below the market price on many occasions, and we stuck with the contract notwithstanding that. Of course, if we had left the contract, we could have sold at the market price, and that £700 or £800 million would have been our profit. Sadly, almost on the day, it seemed, that our contract price rose and the market price dropped, the consortium walked away. One can imagine the impact that that had on Redcar and the surrounding area; one minute ships were exporting steel as fast as they could and the next day, almost literally, the room was empty and one could only have thrown the steel in the sea. Gone.

When the market price was so low that we could not compete, almost all there was to do was consult on closure and redundancy, but plan A had to be getting the consortium back, if at all possible; the whole steel mill was geared to supplying its needs. We tried. I went to Italy myself and spoke to Mr. Marcegaglia. He gave me a large chunk of parmesan cheese to bring back, but unfortunately did not give me the steel contract that I had gone to get, which will be a matter for the courts to sort out. However, he came back and talked to Corus. The Corus workers and management are so flexible that they had been pursuing other customers at the same time and the price started to go up. I want to pay tribute to Jon Bolton, the excellent CEO at the mill, and to Geoff Waterfield, who organised the union so well. They fight their corners but co-operate when they need to.

Happily, the market price has gone up again and we have been able to bring our costs down. There are synergies at that steel plant, which is what is so good about it. It is flexible. One Chinese steel plant a week online can be brought on line, as I understand is happening now, but it will not have the engineering experience and good labour relations to offer what we can offer. Make no mistake, our steelworks is capable, in most situations, of being profitable. Corus internal orders sustained us after the consortium left, and we are grateful to Corus and Tata, who have made clear, by that action alone, how much they are behind the plant. We have export orders again. We are in the competitive price range and have export orders from a group of mostly Asian purchasers, all of whom are interested in perhaps bidding to buy the plant, as the first consortium were. Obviously, cost is absolutely critical.

The Government have contributed £5 million for training. I expect the local Labour council to cut the business rates or to defer them for many months imminently. We have written, as local MPs, to ask for, and have got, public procurement in construction advanced so that steel can be bought internally as well. It is clear that we have to compete, which we can do because of the steadying price and other capacities coming on stream in Europe. We are still in a highly competitive position. We are not necessarily over the hump, but we feel positive and I want to give that message.

The loss of the consortium was a shock and a lesson in not putting all one’s eggs in one basket; we do not do that in Redcar, we have the Wilton Group as well. That is another story, which there is not time to tell, but it is not a hopeless case either. We realised, looking at the steel industry, that we were not diverse enough, although the north-east economy is more diverse than it used to be. We have a lot of things on stream that will help in future. Cyclical as the chemical and steel industries are—not usually as dramatically as now—they can be buttressed by other things. Biomass and carbon capture and storage power stations are proposed. There is a proposal to use some of the last riverfront land to de-engineer oil rigs. That would be 30 years of skilled work for our people. There is a plan for a heavy oil upgrader, which would take the non-commercial dark dirty oil out of the North sea oil wells and refine it to

become bubbling gold. There is third-party business now at the steel wharf, and there is the Ensus biofuels plan, which my hon. Friend the Member for Stockton, South has referred to. There is a low-density polyethylene plant—that is a long set of words—which will soon come on and buttress the cracker, which is the biggest chemical plant at Wilton. Also, with luck, presently there will be a recycling plant.

What is going to get us through this is all the investment, with the Labour Government, industrialists, management, unions, the local newspaper and the Save our Steel campaign all working together. We will come through. We were the seat of the first industrial revolution, and it is north-eastern people who made that a great success. We will come through this crisis. We will succeed, and it will be the flexibility, resilience and calibre of the north-eastern people, whom we are all proud to serve, that will ensure that we come through.

Hon. Members: Hear, hear.

Question put and agreed to.

Resolved,

That the Committee has considered the matter of the regional economy: tackling the recession.

1.30 pm

Committee adjourned.


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