The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Frank
Cook
†
Anderson,
Mr. David (Blaydon)
(Lab)
Armstrong,
Hilary (North-West Durham)
(Lab)
Atkinson,
Mr. Peter (Hexham)
(Con)
†
Baird,
Vera
(
Redcar
)
†
Beith,
Sir Alan (Berwick-upon-Tweed)
(LD)
†
Bell,
Sir Stuart
(
Middlesbrough
)
†
Blackman-Woods,
Dr. Roberta (City of Durham)
(Lab)
†
Brown,
Mr. Nicholas (
Minister for the North
East
)
Byers,
Mr. Stephen (North Tyneside)
(Lab)
Campbell,
Mr. Alan
(
Tynemouth
)
Campbell,
Mr. Ronnie (Blyth Valley)
(Lab)
†
Clelland,
Mr. David (Tyne Bridge)
(Lab)
Cousins,
Jim (Newcastle upon Tyne, Central)
(Lab)
†
Cummings,
John (Easington)
(Lab)
Etherington,
Bill (Sunderland, North)
(Lab)
Goodman,
Helen (
Bishop
Auckland
)
Henderson,
Mr. Doug (Newcastle upon Tyne, North)
(Lab)
Hepburn,
Mr. Stephen (Jarrow)
(Lab)
†
Hodgson,
Mrs. Sharon (Gateshead, East and Washington, West)
(Lab)
Jones,
Mr. Kevan (
North
Durham
)
Kemp,
Mr. Fraser (Houghton and Washington, East)
(Lab)
†
Kumar,
Dr. Ashok (Middlesbrough, South and East Cleveland)
(Lab)
Milburn,
Mr. Alan (Darlington)
(Lab)
Miliband,
David (
South
Shields
)
†
Mullin,
Mr. Chris (Sunderland, South)
(Lab)
Murphy,
Mr. Denis (Wansbeck)
(Lab)
†
Taylor,
Ms Dari (Stockton, South)
(Lab)
Wilson,
Phil (Sedgefield)
(Lab)
†
Wright,
Mr. Iain
(
Har
t
lepool
)
Gosia
McBride, Eliot Wilson, Committee
Clerks
† attended the
Committee
North
East Regional Grand
Committee
Friday 25
September
2009
(Middlesbrough)
[Frank
Cook
in the
Chair]
Regional
Economy
Oral Answers to
Questions The
Minister for the North East was
asked—
Pensioner
Poverty
10.33
am
1.
Mr.
David Anderson (Blaydon) (Lab): What recent
discussions he has had with ministerial colleagues on levels of
pensioner poverty in the
north-east.[291881]
The
Minister for the North East (Mr. Nicholas
Brown):
I have had a number of discussions with
ministerial colleagues on levels of pensioner poverty in the
north-east. My most recent discussion was with the Minister for
Pensions and the Ageing Society, my hon. Friend the hon. Member for
Wallasey (Angela Eagle), following her visit to the region. I have
since organised 19 constituency surgeries in east Newcastle, where I
have been accompanied by an official from the Department for Work and
Pensions and one from Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs. That
was part of a benefits take-up campaign, which is a DWP marketing
campaign supported by the local pension service, and which has been
ongoing in our region since March
2009.
Mr.
Anderson:
I thank the Minister for that response, and it
is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Cook. I
would particularly like to welcome the right hon. Member for
Berwick-upon-Tweed; it would be nice if he was on the North East
Regional Committee with us as well.
I appreciate
the Minister’s response. Like him, I have been working on this
subject over the summer, including with the National Pensioners
Convention, which is very concerned about the impact of the recession
on older people in the area. Will you come with
me—
The
Chairman:
Order. I remind everyone, including myself, that
remarks should be made through the Chairman, rather than directly
between
Members.
Mr.
Anderson:
Thank you, Mr. Cook. I was rushing
and am out of the habit. I ask, through you, Mr. Cook,
whether the Minister will agree to meet the National Pensioners
Convention in our area, in particular the regional secretary,
Mr. Bob Pinkerton, who lives in
Blaydon.
Mr.
Brown:
I regularly meet representatives of pensioner
organisations in our region, and I am more than happy to do so again. I
cannot commit myself to a particular date and time, because managing my
own diary is one of the many things that I am not allowed to do.
However, if I can, I will. If I cannot come to the specific event to
which my hon. Friend refers, I am more than happy to meet
representatives to discuss the issues. I met representatives of the
national convention on their recent lobby of
Parliament.
Sir
Alan Beith (Berwick-upon-Tweed) (LD): I, too, am very
pleased to be in Middlesbrough under your chairmanship, Mr.
Cook, and I am pleased to receive such an interesting welcome from the
mayor and the hon. Member for Blaydon (Mr.
Anderson).
May I direct
the Minister’s attention to the fuel poverty plight of
pensioners in rented property, particularly in rural areas? They are
unable to access the Government schemes. The landlord is supposedly
responsible for the central heating systems, or indeed their absence,
and the pensioners cannot get dual fuel tariffs because they are in
areas not served by gas. They are still suffering the fuel poverty that
the Government are trying to address.
Mr.
Brown:
As the right hon. Gentleman knows, the Government
have a number of schemes to address fuel poverty, some of which are
universal, so the pensioners he speaks of will have access to those. On
the specific case to which he referred, the devil is in the detail. I
am more than happy to sit down with him to work through the details of
the case and see what representations we can make to my colleagues in
government, particularly in the relevant Departments, on behalf of our
region.
Mr.
Chris Mullin (Sunderland, South) (Lab): May I ask the
Minister whether the Government are still committed to restoring the
link between pensions and earnings? I think our commitment is to put it
in the next manifesto and hopefully implement it in 2012. Does that
still stand good in the light of the discussion about savage
cuts?
Mr.
Brown:
The Government are not in favour of savage
cuts—that is the policy of another political party—and,
yes, we stand by the commitment that we have
given.
Regional
Policy
2.
Mr.
David Clelland (Tyne Bridge) (Lab): What
recent discussions he has had with the chair of One NorthEast on
regional policy in the north-east.
[291882]
Mr.
Brown:
I meet regularly with the chair and chief executive
of One NorthEast. My recent discussions have focused on the regional
response to the recession and long-term economic growth in the region.
My latest meeting was on Wednesday 16 September when I
met the board of One NorthEast, the leaders of the 12 strategic
local authorities and the Minister for Regional Economic Development
and Co-ordination, my right hon. Friend the Member for Doncaster,
Central (Ms Winterton).
Mr.
Clelland:
I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for that
reply. I am sure he has discussed the big problem of the regional
skills gap that we face in this region and what we can do about skills
in the future. Does he agree that we need to equip our young people
with all possible tools in order for them to access the excellent
further education establishments throughout the region? Will he ask the
regional development agency to draw together regional partners, such as
the learning and skills council, the local authorities and the bus
companies, to create a regional concessionary bus pass for students in
full-time and further education so that they can access the excellent
facilities available in the north-east?
Mr.
Brown:
I agree with the thrust of my hon. Friend’s
question. I congratulate him and Gateshead college in his constituency
on the exciting bid to make use of the moneys, announced by the
Chancellor in the previous Budget, to bring forward training schemes
for young people to work on the new battery and electronic car
technologies that are coming to our region with the exciting Nissan
development in east
Durham.
Could
we do more to help youngsters get to college through a concessionary
travel scheme? I cannot promise that today because I do not have
command of the Budget, but, as my hon. Friend knows, work on such a
programme is continuing and we recently agreed at the interim regional
transport board, where I took the chair as the regional Minister, on
£10 million to be spent on a travelcard scheme, which could be
adapted to do exactly that for which he
calls.
Dr.
Ashok Kumar (Middlesbrough, South and East Cleveland)
(Lab): Has the Minister discussed the future of the steel
industry in the north-east? Given the difficulty that we are facing,
involving nearly 2,000 jobs directly and 20,000 jobs overall, what
discussions has he had with the chair of One NorthEast, and has he
explored the possibility of giving state aid for laid-off staff in
support of short-time working? It is a policy we need to explore. We
cannot run away from it. Some European countries are supporting the
steel industry. Has he had any discussions on the
matter?
Mr.
Brown:
Yes, I have. My hon. Friend is right. He puts his
finger on what is probably the largest single industrial problem facing
our region. The situation at Corus is well understood by officials in
the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills and by the regional
economic development agency. I am in regular contact, through
officials, with both the management and the trade unions at Corus.
Absolutely every idea that could be explored through the Government, to
help Corus get through this very difficult situation, has been
explored. My understanding of the current situation is that there is
sufficient work for the plant until the end of October, with the
prospect of further orders. Discussions between the parent company, the
plant management and the trade union side continue. We are working very
closely to try to help not just the plant—that would be
justified in itself—but the community to get through what is
going to be a very difficult time.
Ms
Dari Taylor (Stockton, South) (Lab): I want to pursue the
issue of state aid. We are well aware that the Spanish and Italian
Governments find ways around
state aid. We know that Artenius, a Spanish company
on the River Tees with a serious threat notice above its head, has been
given £15 million from its regional government in Spain. We know
that the Italian Government and their regional governments are doing
the same. The company Dow produces a product that influences every
chemical manufacturer on the Tees and in Great Britain. We want to know
why it is not only struggling to get private money, but seemingly
struggling to obtain Government money to survive. If Dow, Artenius and
Corus all go down, we are in serious trouble on the Tees. Should we,
too, put state aid and its regulations to the
side?
Mr.
Brown:
My hon. Friend is right to raise that issue. It
involves a complex set of circumstances, which I have looked at very
closely. I have been in contact with the processing industry and
individual company representatives. It is effectively a private sector
supply chain issue. Each private sector interest in the chemical sector
on Teesside has a slightly different take on it. What I have said to
the industry, collectively, is that if it can come up with a private
sector-led solution to the issue—my hon. Friend is absolutely
right to say that Dow is at the heart of it—I will do everything
that I can to ensure that the Government come to the table with a
reasonable and proportional support package, provided that the solution
has a reasonable chance of getting us through the difficulties.
However, it does have to be private sector-led. Thought is being given
to that and, in fairness, the private sector has been looking at that
for the past three years. My hon. Friend, by the sense of urgency that
underpins my her question, is doing the right thing by her
constituents, because we do not have another three years. We need a
timely solution to the problem and that means now, or as quick as we
can.
Sir
Stuart Bell (Middlesbrough) (Lab): It is a great pleasure
and honour for us to have you here as Chairman, Mr. Cook,
and to have this Grand Committee sitting in Middlesbrough. May I build
on the questions from my hon. Friends the Members for Middlesbrough,
South and East Cleveland and for Stockton, South on the future of
Corus? As the Minister knows from our 30 years of working
together, we used to have a whole series of industries in the region:
steel, chemicals and shipbuilding. We have seen them all diminish over
the years. The steel industry is our area’s last major industry.
I know that he has been working very closely with One NorthEast and the
Corus response group to see what they can do. My hon. Friend the Member
for Middlesbrough, South and East Cleveland indicated that 1,920 staff
might be made redundant if—and I do not believe it for a
moment—the steel mill closed. Is the Minister aware that other
members in the local community—ancillary workers—are also
dependent on the continued production of steel? He did not mention that
he is having talks with the noble Lord Mandelson, who has put forward a
series of proposals to assist the automobile industry.
The Minister
mentioned the parent company, and I invite him to make strenuous and
direct efforts to talk with that company directly, because as we have
seen on Teesside, the more remote the parent company becomes from the
source of the work, the less easy it is for us to retain influence in
its affairs. When British Midland operated out of Teesside airport, it
was a local business
and we could talk to Sir Michael Bishop, its owner,
but as soon as it was bought by Lufthansa, we lost it and it
disappeared from the airport. We fear that a remote parent company
might not take fully into account the needs of our community and the
desire to maintain steel industry production here. Mr. Cook,
you will be aware of the efforts that are made by Members to keep the
industry open—you, too, have made great efforts in that
regard—and it remains primordial for this area that the steel
mill at Redcar is made
safe.
Mr.
Brown:
My hon. Friend and I entered Parliament together in
1983, as indeed did you, Mr. Cook, so it is a great pleasure
after all these years to take part in a formal parliamentary occasion
in his constituency. I thank him also for the welcome we had from the
Mayor of
Middlesbrough.
The
situation at Corus is the largest single issue facing the region. My
hon. Friend is absolutely right that the situation relates not only to
the principal employment base, but to the supply chain that sits
alongside the industry, not least at Tees port, as the steel works are
the principal part of its work
load.
In
answer to my hon. Friend’s question, I am in touch with the
company at every level, through officials—there are rules of
propriety about these things, as he will know—and with the
Departments that have an interest in the situation, such as the
Department for Work and Pensions, which is looking at the impact on the
labour market of any potential redundancy round, the Treasury and the
Department for Business, Innovation and Skills. The Government’s
plan is essentially to try to get the company through the economic
downturn until the world market price comes closer to the price of
production at the plant. That way, it will have a fighting change for
survival, and all our energies are focused on that.
I am open to
any ideas that we have not yet thought of, but, believe me, absolutely
everything that could have been thought of, including bringing forward
public procurement that would involve steel, has been explored. The
company has told me that the best thing I can do for it is to try to
get the construction sector moving again in western Europe,
particularly in the UK, so that demand for the product will increase,
followed by the price, and it will be able to earn its way through the
difficulties. My hon. Friend and I have known each other long enough,
so if he has an idea that he thinks has not been explored, he should
tell me what it is and I will ensure that it is taken forward within
Government. Nobody misunderstands the seriousness of the situation on
Teesside.
When I last
met formally the leaders of the 12 local strategic authorities in our
region, the leader of Redcar council raised the situation in formal
representations to the Government, stressing its seriousness, and asked
for the support of the other leaders. One really encouraging
sign—this is not a party political point—is that the
leaders of every local authority in the region readily agreed and were
able to speak on behalf of the region with a united voice for local
government, drawing the same support for Redcar and Corus and
supporting the policy of trying to get the plant through these
challenging times.
Mr.
Mullin
:
Have my right hon. Friend’s
discussions with One NorthEast or anywhere else in the region included
consideration of what can be done to promote
the region as a centre of green technology? It seems to me that we have
the skills and some of the manufacturing capacity here to take
advantage of what is surely the
future.
Mr.
Brown:
We also have some exciting projects, to which I
intend to refer in a few moments. Perhaps the biggest opportunity is in
Sunderland and east Durham, with the investment in the Nissan battery
plant and the opportunity to bid—it must be fought for
among the Nissan worldwide family of car plants—to build the
first electronic cars. I would think that there is a 95 per cent.
chance that that work will come to Durham. That would put the Nissan
plants in Sunderland and Durham at the very heart of what I am certain
will be a world-beating industry for the next generation and the
generation beyond. It will expand on to the continent. The Nissan work
force will train here and then set up sister plants in western Europe.
The intention is to launch in the United States as well, but to do the
training in our region. It is tremendously
exciting.
Alongside
that is the development of a new offshore wind power industry in my
constituency, which is next door to that of my right hon. Friend the
Member for North Tyneside. For those who are not familiar with the
industry, the fabrication opportunities are like fabricating the Eiffel
tower over and over—I do not mean with all the nice lifts,
curlicues and so on; I am just describing the scale of the
structure—and then putting something the diameter of the
millennium wheel on top. It is huge and continuing fabrication work
that will employ thousands of people once it is under way. To have that
effectively new industry in the old shipyards is tremendously exciting.
For youngsters thinking of a career in engineering, there could be no
finer
opportunity.
There
are other exciting projects as well, all to do with climate change. We
are ideally placed for a carbon capture and storage scheme due to our
proximity to the North sea. A whole series of plants is planned for
Teesside, again focusing on renewable energy. One will turn heavy oils
into something commercially usable, another will focus on biofuels and
there are smaller schemes related to the new technology. The region is
designated as a low-carbon economy area. That is not just something
done by officials; we have practical projects ready to go and enormous
enthusiasm for them in the region. I think that that is the right way
for us to work ourselves out of the economic downturn and provide jobs
that our people can do enthusiastically.
John
Cummings (Easington) (Lab): My right hon. Friend the
Minister has visited Easington on several occasions. In particular, he
has visited Seaham and seen at first hand the immense progress made
there in the development of Fox Cover, Spectrum and Dawdon industrial
estates and the huge investment in Seaham docks. On the horizon, he is
also aware of the possibility of a massive investment in a film studio
and a centre of creative arts.
I am aware of
the work that the Minister is carrying out in making representations to
the appropriate Departments, such as the Treasury and the Department
for Business, Innovation and Skills, on behalf of east Durham. Can he
offer assurances that his efforts will not be diminished in future by
the present economic problems that we all face, and that he will
continue to
exert pressure and influence on the Treasury and other Departments to
ensure that innovative enterprise is given every assistance to provide
much-needed employment to east Durham in future
years?
Mr.
Brown:
I pay tribute to my hon. Friend for the
wholehearted efforts that he has put in to back the range of economic
development projects and schemes in his constituency of Easington,
which have had an impact on what has been a seemingly intractable
labour market problem in east Durham. I was going to say something and
still will say something in my speech about the film studio scheme,
which I have visited—I met the promoters—and which I
think has a real chance of success. I am a big supporter of it, as my
hon. Friend knows. I have made representations on behalf of the project
both to the Treasury and to the Department for Business, Innovation and
Skills and I would love to see it come to fruition. It, too, could have
an impact on the labour market of Easington, and more generally of
Sunderland and east Durham, that would endure for generations to come.
It is exciting and innovative, and I pay tribute to my hon. Friend for
the energy that he has put into
it.
I
also pay tribute to One NorthEast—our regional development
agency—which has taken up a number of projects that might seem a
bit quirky or non-mainstream but which have come to fruition and
achieved success in our region and have strengthened as well as
diversified our employment
base.
A1
(North)
3.
Sir
Alan Beith (Berwick-upon-Tweed) (LD): What
recent discussions he has had with Ministerial colleagues and Scottish
Executive Ministers on development of the Al between Newcastle and the
east of Scotland.
[291883]
Mr.
Brown
:
There is a continuing dialogue
between me as the regional Minister and Transport Ministers across a
range of transport issues affecting the north-east of England,
including the development of the A1 north of Newcastle. There is
dialogue at official level between the devolved authority, the regional
government office and the Department for
Transport.
Sir
Alan Beith:
Do Transport Ministers in England and Scotland
understand both the national strategic significance of the A1 and its
significance to the development of our region and of eastern Scotland?
If they do recognise that, why is it not recognised in a strategy for
the road that will complete the dualling process, rather than one that
has seen the dropping of two important phases of the
dualling—that between Morpeth and Felton, and the particularly
dangerous section of the road near Belford—both of which had
been worked up by the Highways
Agency?
Mr.
Brown:
I can say to the right hon. Gentleman that
Transport Ministers certainly did understand that,
because I have in front of me a press release from the Department for
Transport announcing a four-stage programme to upgrade the A1 north of
Newcastle and it is dated 2 March 1992. However, as the right hon.
Gentleman knows even better than I do, that has not happened. It is
best for us—this is what I have been trying to do—to get
behind the reasons why it has not happened, and I know that the right
hon. Gentleman is even more familiar with the debate than I
am.
The
correct way forward—he hinted at it in his question—is
not savage cuts and most certainly not a cancellation of all spending
on road programmes, which is advocated by a political party other than
mine. The best way forward is to take the regional element of the
Department for Transport’s programme, set a sum aside for
dualling the A1 north of Newcastle and do it incrementally, taking the
accident blackspots or more difficult parts of the road network first,
because we should treat that as our priority. Although we cannot prove
our case on usage numbers on the road up to Berwick and then along to
Scotland, there clearly is a case that we can make to the Department
and it is my policy as regional Minister to ask the Department to reach
us halfway and for us to offer some funding to try to secure
part-funding from the mainstream departmental budget and to have a
programme of incremental works that will eventually get us to the
objective that I think is the right one and that the right hon.
Gentleman supports, which is to get the road dualled all the way up. A
programme that eventually gets us there over time is better than an
ideological dispute about whether the Department will pay for it all
and then the Department saying, as it has done for the past two
decades, that it will not pay for any of it, which is the position that
we are in at the
moment.
Mr.
Clelland
:
I support the measures to be taken to
improve the A1 north of Newcastle and eventually to continue the dual
carriageway right the way from Newcastle up to Edinburgh, but as my
right hon. Friend the Minister knows, the whole question of our
regional road infrastructure needs serious examination. Notwithstanding
the works that are now going on south of Scotch Corner to link finally
the A1 in the north of England to the rest of the motorway system,
which is welcome, does he agree that we also need to be linked up to
the west of the country over the A66 and A69, which are also two very
important routes that are badly in need of an
upgrade?
Mr.
Brown:
I agree with that. There are added dimensions, and
we need to have discussions with others about the A1 south. A road
leading north from Yorkshire is, for the Minister for Yorkshire and the
Humber, a gateway to our region. There are sensitivities regarding
that, just as there are with east-west links. In principle, I certainly
agree with my hon. Friend that improvement of the road links and the
east-west corridor is as important as north-south links. In the longer
term, east-west links may turn out to be more important than they are
now, but they are at least as important as north-south
links.
Regional Economy (Tackling the
Recession)
11.2
am
The
Minister for the North East (Mr. Nicholas
Brown):
I beg to move,
That the
Committee has considered the matter of the regional economy: tackling
the recession.
The
Chairman:
It might be helpful if I remind Members of the
timing of the debate. We have from now until 1.30 pm. I have no power
to impose a time limit on speeches, but brief contributions will enable
me to call as many Members as are seeking to catch my eye. That applies
not only to the length of contributions, but to the length of any
interventions and the length of replies to those
interventions.
Mr.
Brown:
It is a pleasure to serve on this Committee
under your chairmanship, Mr. Cook, on this unique
parliamentary occasion. May I also say once again that it is a pleasure
to be in the constituency of my hon. Friend the Member for
Middlesbrough? We all go back a long way in the public life of our
region.
I welcome my
parliamentary colleagues and thank them for coming to take part in our
proceedings. I also welcome those who have come to listen to the
questions, answers and debate. As I said, it is a unique parliamentary
occasion and all parliamentarians have an obligation to ensure that it
serves the communities that we have been elected to represent. There
could not be a more appropriate topic for debate than “Regional
Economy: Tackling the
Recession.”
When
I was appointed regional Minister, I made it clear that the focus of my
activities would be acting as the region’s champion at the heart
of Government, and that my core policy would be to drive up the
prosperity of the region. My method of doing so has been to engage with
both the public and the private sector in the region, not least to
ensure that I am representing the opinions of the region to the rest of
the Government.
The
region’s economy has undergone a remarkable transformation in
the past 30 years. The dominance of large employers in traditional
industries such as coal mining, shipbuilding and heavy engineering has
been replaced by a far more diverse economic base. We have also seen
significant economic growth in recent years. In 2005-06, we had one of
the fastest growing regional economies in the United Kingdom. It has
doubled in size in the past 10 years, adding nearly £13 billion
to overall output and contributing more than £40 billion to the
UK economy. The past 10 years have seen historically high numbers of
people in employment. Despite the effect that the downturn is having on
the labour market, about 55,000 more people are in employment in the
north-east than in 1997.
The region has
also seen a higher rate of business registrations than the UK average
for the past six years. The manufacturing sector, which continues to be
important to our economy, contributes about £6.9 billion to the
region’s economy and employs around 128,000
people.
Our
economy is much more diverse nowadays, with new sectors such as the
offshore industries, biotechnology and the automotive industry. Until I
prepared for today’s
debate, I had not realised that a third of all UK biotechnology
companies are based in our region. We need to diversify the
region’s economy, strengthen the service sector, including
hospitality and tourism, and focus on our historic strength in
manufacturing, especially engineering. We also need to understand
enterprise, and to treasure and support the process sector and the real
opportunities for private-sector led inward investment.
In the long
term, I want the region to build on recent progress by increasing the
quality and quantity of business start-ups and the number of highly
value-added and internationally competitive businesses. The growth and
development of the renewables and energy sectors should be embedded in
the region. We must continue to increase labour productivity, which
requires investment, as those of us who have been involved in
industrial issues know. I want to further encourage the visitor
economy.
I
pay tribute to the work of my hon. Friend the Member for City of Durham
(Dr. Blackman-Woods), one of my parliamentary secretaries, in trying to
house the Lindisfarne gospels in Durham so that they will be in our
region permanently. That campaign is backed wholeheartedly by the
region’s public representatives and this is not a party
political issue; we all speak with one voice. The association of this
artefact with our region is so clear and undeniable that it ought to be
located here. Although there are a number of obstacles to that, I
believe that they can be overcome. I reiterate my wholehearted backing
of that campaign and praise the efforts of my hon. Friend and other
parliamentarians from the region. If we could do only one thing to
underpin the visitor economy in the region, it should be relocating the
gospels
here.
The
Government’s national initiatives such as “Real help
now” and Building Britain’s Future, which was introduced
with the last Budget, are impacting on our region, for example through
the value-added tax cut, the jobs guarantee for every young person who
is out of work for 10 months or longer and the mortgage protection
initiatives. More than 5,000 businesses in the north-east have
benefited from the tax deferral arrangements announced by the
Chancellor, to the tune of £89
million.
As
the region’s Minister, I act as its advocate in Government. I
have met a wide range of sectors and groups, including representatives
of business, tourism, education, health, the voluntary and community
sectors, and, of course, local government. One the most important
relationships I have as regional Minister is with the leaders of the 12
strategic local authorities that represent the region and I pay tribute
to the constructive, enthusiastic and energetic manner in which they
come together to support our region and do what is right for the
communities that have asked us to represent their interests. Again,
that is not a party political
point.
The
economic downturn has affected our region probably more starkly than
other English regions. That is principally, but not solely, because of
three shocks or potential shocks to the employment base that are unique
to the region. The first, of course, is Northern Rock. The Government
intervention and the stewardship of Ron Sandler and his successors,
have led that important financial institution through a difficult, if
not impossible, time. Although progress is being made, that episode led
to a major redundancy round in the region. That was followed closely by
the loss of 1,200 jobs at Nissan, including people on short-term
contracts, because of
the downturn in the automobile trade. It has been hard for the region to
absorb those shocks. In both cases, Jobcentre Plus intervened. It has
an effective and well-tried mechanism for intervening in such
situations, which is getting us through the difficulties. We can look
to a strong future based on the same industry, but making electric cars
rather than petrol-driven
ones.
The
third issue was referred to during Question Time, particularly by the
MPs who represent the area. To be candid, the situation at Corus is the
greatest single problem facing our region. As the Minister, I am in
touch with all the parties concerned, but my hon. and learned Friend
the Member for Redcar (Vera Baird), who acts as my deputy, undertakes
most of the work on this issue. She has put an enormous amount of time,
energy and effort into trying to find a way forward and I know that it
is a labour of love for her. If anyone here has an ingenious idea that
we have not already thought of and explored, I would be willing to hear
it. Please speak to me at the end of the
sitting.
Mr.
David Anderson (Blaydon) (Lab): I thank the Minister for
giving way. This is not an original or new idea: we could nationalise
the steel industry at Corus, which would protect it not only for now
but for when we come out of the recession and start building things
such as the 7,000 offshore turbines that we will need. That is what we
should
do.
Mr.
Brown:
I am happy to take that intervention, but I cannot
announce to the Committee today, on behalf of the Government, that I
will take the United Kingdom steel industry into public ownership. I
know that that will come as a disappointment to my hon. Friend, but,
although I push the powers and responsibilities given to me to the
limit, I think that the phone call from the Secretary of State and the
Chancellor of the Exchequer if I did such a thing would be hotly
followed by one from the Prime Minister. Therefore, it would be wrong
of me to exceed the powers that have been given to me. Of course, I
understand the comment, and I see that I shall be invited to exceed the
powers given to
me.
Dr.
Ashok Kumar (Middlesbrough, South and East Cleveland)
(Lab): Not only would the Prime Minister be
horrified—Ratan Tata would be equally
horrified.
Mr.
Brown:
For those who are familiar with such debates, I
have not been asked to take the industry into public ownership without
compensation. However, I am afraid that I have no budget for such a
thing.
Sir
Stuart Bell (Middlesbrough) (Lab): As my right hon. Friend
would know, and as you know, Mr. Cook, the industry used to
be in common ownership rather than public
ownership.
Before
my right hon. Friend leaves the subject and moves on to Northern Rock,
is he aware of the statement made by the Governor of the Bank of
England yesterday that if the Government had not intervened in the
banking crisis, two of our major banks would have gone broke within 24
hours? What impact would it have had on our region if a bank such as
Northern Rock had been allowed to go into liquidation? What would it
have meant for those who had accounts and savings with the
bank, and those who paid wages through the bank? Was that not a
catastrophe that this Government avoided but others would have let
happen?
Mr.
Brown:
I am a very strong supporter of the decision of the
Prime Minister and the Chancellor to intervene and to use public money
where private money had failed. What started as a debt crisis in the
United States travelled rapidly around the world as a liquidity crisis
for financial institutions and then passed on throughout the whole of
the private sector economy of the developed world. There was the
potential for a worldwide collapse of the banking system to set
recessionary forces at work in the world economy. Although the origins
would not have been the same, the outcome would, in effect, have been
the same as the events in the late 1920s. The effects were seen in the
early years of the 1930s, a much troubled
decade.
Nowhere
were the effects felt more strongly than in our region. I regard it as
a core responsibility of mine, while I hold this office, to ensure that
our region does not return to anything that remotely approaches the
grim days that we faced in the 1930s. For those who think that we
should go back to those days, precipitating a banking crisis is the
right way to set off such a thing. It is the responsibility and the
duty of the Government to intervene and to ensure that that does not
happen, and to use the strength of the public purse and the management
of public finances to take a long-term rather than a short or even
medium-term view of such things, and that is the approach that the
Government have
adopted.
Sir
Alan Beith (Berwick-upon-Tweed) (LD): Returning to Corus,
which the hon. Member for Stockton, South (Ms Taylor) raised earlier
when she mentioned the state aid rules, am I right in thinking that the
relevant state aid rules have been suspended during the recession, and
that the Government’s decision not to go down the state aid
route reflects their belief that there is a more cost-effective way of
dealing with the problem, which she recognised as a serious
one?
Mr.
Brown:
As the matter is in the public domain—I must
be careful not to say things that are not in the public domain—I
can say that there is on offer to Corus a training package that is
compliant with the state aid rules. However, the core problem is to get
the cost of production close to the world market price so that it is
effectively a question about the market rather than about state aid.
The Government are in continuing dialogue with the owners as well as
the local management to see if they can do something to help. I have to
say, to the disappointment of the right hon. Gentleman, that public
ownership would breach state aid rules. Even if it did not, we have to
ask ourselves—and we should all think about this—whether
we can solve this if the core problem was the cost of production
relating to the world market. The good news is that world market
conditions are changing in our favour, and the fight is to ensure that
the plant survives and gets through to the better market conditions
that seem to be emerging. However, we are not there yet. I assure
everyone here that the only people—or groups of
people—who are working harder than myself are the management of
the company itself. Incidentally, I also include the owners,
who have taken steps that will positively help the
survival of the plant on Teesside. Moreover, my hon. and learned Friend
the Member for Redcar has thrown herself into this important issue with
an energy, depth of knowledge and a deep sense of detail. That is
utterly praiseworthy, and she has the support of her
colleagues.
Ms
Dari Taylor (Stockton, South) (Lab): We are all listening
as we have a keen sense of outcome; we want a positive outcome. We
understand what the Minister is saying, but we want a concerned and
absolute statement from the Government that says that we have a source
of employment that, whatever else, will be protected and will survive.
We know about market prices, but we also know about cruel mass
unemployment, and we simply do not want that on the Tees
again.
Mr.
Brown:
Plan A is to get the plant through. There is not a
single Government Minister who disagrees with that. We are all focused
on it. Everyone is doing everything that they can, including putting
forward the support package, looking at what we can do in the public
sector to provide orders—if that can be done—and talking
to the company itself.
The key point
that the company made to me—I think I also made it in answer to
an earlier question—is that if we can get the construction
sector moving again, demand for the product would rise, and that would
lead to more orders for the plant. That is the key thing that I have
been asked to do. That point has been made clearly to senior Ministers
in Government and it is something on which we have reflected. We may
hear more on the matter by Christmas. I think that that is the best way
to put
it.
Dr.
Kumar:
I hear everything that the Minister is saying. I
support every word that my hon. Friend the Member for Stockton, South
(Ms Taylor) said. Moreover, I recognise and praise my hon. and learned
Friend the Member for Redcar (Vera Baird) for doing such a great job
and for all the efforts that she has made in trying to persuade the
consortium people to come back to the table, but Tata has poured
£750 million into Corus. In my discussions with Tata, which have
been held at different times over the past year or so, it has said,
“We are here for the long haul. We have poured £8 billion
into the plant so that it should not be closed down.” It has a
very strong commitment. I have no doubt that it wants to stay, but it
is looking for support from Government because it feels that they are
not doing enough. However unfair that seems, that is Tata’s
perception. I know that Mr. Muthuraman, the managing
director, has said that. The Minister should try to have discussions
with Mr. Muthuraman and take up the case with him directly
so that he can demonstrate all that the Government are
doing.
Mr.
Brown:
If my hon. Friend would like to arrange such a
meeting I would be more than happy to come with him. My understanding
is that the dialogue with the Department is good, but if he wants to
raise a specific point directly with me and my hon. and learned Friend
the Member for Redcar, I would be happy to attend such a meeting. I am
not willing to leave any avenue unexplored.
My hon. Friend
is also right to emphasise the commitment of the parent company to the
plant. I am aware that it has done things that are clearly motivated by
helping the plant through, rather than exacerbating, its current
difficulties. It is no good pounding one’s fists on the table
saying, “It’s all unfair!” As public
representatives we have to set our hearts against that futile approach.
It is certainly not a line that I have ever taken, regardless of how
tempted I have been.
People put
their trust in us and they expect us to do the very best we can for
them. They expect us to square up to difficult issues as well as just
front the easier ones. Above all, they expect us to have the courage,
determination, knowledge and the sense of purpose to stand up for the
issues that they tell us—and that we know for
ourselves—are important. They also expect us never to give up
and say that nothing can be done or to walk away from an issue. We are
obliged to do our best for the people we represent and to square up to
the circumstances, no matter how difficult. I take that approach and I
know that my hon. Friend does as well—it will see us through
these difficulties.
I return to my
address with several pages to go while being mindful of your injunction
about brevity and interventions, Mr. Cook. As we know, the
economic downturn has added an additional impetus to my work—the
thrust of the interventions has emphasised that, even if I did not have
it written down in my speech. It is more essential than ever because
particular emphasis has to be placed on engaging with representatives
of the private sector. As well as meeting business organisations, I
have aimed to get into the detail by engaging with specific sectors and
focusing on specific issues. That includes meeting representatives of
the manufacturing sector and process industries, the banking and
finance sector, the tourism sector, the logistics and infrastructure
companies and the recruitment sector, including Jobcentre Plus and the
private bodies that intervene in the labour market.
I pay tribute
to the development agency and the Government office for the region, as
well as to the local authority leaders for ensuring that every local
authority has signed up to the Government’s prompt payment
code—a commitment has been given by local government to pay
suppliers within 10 working days. It is a great success story for our
region. Considering that one of the core problems is liquidity, and
therefore cash flow, that is a significant commitment. I and other
regional Ministers tabled the issue at the Council of Regional
Ministers and the Government responded by committing central Government
Departments to pay invoices within 10 days. Nine out of 10 invoices are
now paid within that time scale, which ensures that something like
£66 billion in payments reaches the businesses quicker than
ever. Without revealing any state secrets, at least two Cabinet
meetings have gone through each Department’s payment rates and
compared Department with Department. Those that are not performing as
well get much chided by their Cabinet colleagues. The issue is being
looked at right at the heart of the Government.
We are now
promoting prompt payment across the wider public sector. As we have
discussed, the principal issue in my meetings with private sector
organisations has been access to finance. Our response, which again
reflects great credit on the officials who serve our region at regional
level, is a programme that has been approved by the Treasury: the Joint
European Resources for
Micro to Medium Enterprises Initiative, or JEREMIE.
It is a £125 million fund, the first of its type in England. It
will provide loans and equity investments into 650 firms,
initially over a five-year period. It is anticipated that it will
create more than 5,000 jobs in our region. It will provide hundreds of
north-east businesses with access to vital finance. Considering that
that is the core problem that the private sector raises with me, it is
a good response—all credit to those involved in bringing it
about.
By
taking up the issue of empty property rate relief, we have secured a
concession that covers 77 per cent. of empty property in the
region and seven out of 10 properties nationally. The
Government’s determination to get the regions through the
economic downturn has led to action at national level that benefits our
region and helps cash flow for businesses. Trading losses carry-back
will be extended from one to three years for up to £50,000 of
losses and now covers losses made in 2008-09 and 2009-10. That will
help 4,000 businesses in the region. There is £1.7 billion to
help Jobcentre Plus respond to rising unemployment. In August 2009,
more than 17,700 people moved off jobseeker’s allowance in the
north-east, and the additional support will help ensure that we keep
the labour market moving, which is key to achieving my ambition of
tightening it.
Mr.
Chris Mullin (Sunderland, South) (Lab): The Minister
mentioned the empty property rate relief. He is right, the Government
have made a concession that has proved helpful to a lot of small
businesses, but he will be aware that this is self-inflicted damage, in
that, although much of what has happened to our economy and the region
can be blamed on forces beyond our control, this tax has been devised
in Government and threatens to do damage. In Sunderland we have two
substantial businesses in the old Pallion shipyard that will close
unless something is done about the tax. The rates at Pallion have gone
up from £55,000 to around £230,000 in a single leap as a
result of the measure. About 200 people are employed in the shipyard in
one capacity or another, and the increase will sink the company if this
is allowed to go on. Likewise, there is a printing company that employs
about 150 people and is in danger of going under because of the
measure. Can anything be
done?
Mr.
Brown:
I first took an interest in the issue because my
hon. Friend raised it with me, and as a result of him and other hon.
Members raising it, I took it up at the Council of Regional Ministers,
which is our formal input into central Government. Other regional
Ministers raised it as well. He knows that there was a heated national
debate about it because we were on the receiving end of a pretty
ignorant attack from those who claimed to represent the interests of
property holders—essentially based in London, and no doubt with
the right-of-centre politics sometimes found in our capital. They
alleged that we simply sought further regional concessions for
ourselves; that was not the representation that he or I were
making.
I
am happy to return to the issue by making the same representations
within Government to get a concession focused on former industrial
property, so that demolishing the buildings—the way to avoid the
tax—would be disproportionate. First, because there is a cost in
doing so, and secondly because buildings that could be brought
into economic use should not be demolished because of the pressures of
the tax system. I am happy to give it another go, and I know that I
will have my hon. Friend’s support. I am convinced of the merits
of the case as it applies to the old industrial areas. Of course, I
understand that the turnover of the companies that he mentioned is too
high to benefit from the concession that we have secured, but the
concession is none the less welcome to the small and medium-sized
companies that benefit from it.
To move on,
from a national pot of £127 million, five local authorities in
our region have secured £11.75 million for the
provision of new social housing, and again I offer congratulations to
those local authorities that submitted a bid. Construction will begin
before March 2010, and as every public representative in the room
knows, there is pressing demand for affordable housing to rent in our
region. As part of the Building Britain’s Future announcement,
an additional £40 million is available for affordable housing
grant in the region for the period 2008 to 2012, and I urge those local
authorities that have not explored that yet to do so, because the
demands are
pressing.
It
is a subject of regret that 27,200 young people are on
jobseeker’s allowance in the north-east. We must not let them
down. From October 2009 all 18 to 24-year-olds who have been claiming
jobseeker’s allowance for 10 months are guaranteed six
months of activity—a job, work placement or work-related skills
training. To date, we have got five organisations, all local
authorities that have been successful in their future jobs fund bids,
to create up to 2,800 jobs for young people and the long-term
unemployed. I have already congratulated my hon. Friend the Member for
Gateshead, East and Washington, West on the exceptional and well
thought-through bid that Gateshead college and the local authority
submitted. It looks to the future and gives young people hope of
permanent employment, and of using the skills that it is well within
their grasp to
gain.
Another
way in which we are investing in the region to revitalise some of our
former coalfields and rural communities is through the local enterprise
growth initiative. Be Enterprising, which is the County Durham one,
although there is a smaller one in Northumberland as well, is
benefiting from a £4.1 million pound part finance package from
the regional development fund. That funding will create 370 jobs,
safeguard another 190, and assist in the creation of more than 500
small local businesses.
In other
words, as the labour market has loosened, my priority has been to try
to tighten it. To do that, I have tried to support specific projects
and help to push them on. I will just romp through my list: the region
is to become the first low-carbon economic area, specialising in
ultra-low-carbon vehicles, and that is easily the largest of the
projects. The programme is driven by the partnership approach that
works so well in our region of regional and sub-regional bodies; it
will focus on supporting a transformation of the automotive industry,
provide support for innovation and demonstration, support the skills
training that I have mentioned and encourage the clustering of
manufacturing. There is a great opportunity for us here of a
development around the Nissan car plant. It is hard, as I said earlier,
to overstate the impact that the new factory and the potential of the
electric car will have on the economy of Sunderland and east
Durham.
That
is the most significant example, but not the only one. It is matched by
the exciting developments on the north bank of the Tyne, which could
not have taken place without the investment of the Shepherd family.
Again, the development will have a significant impact on job
opportunities for the next generation of Tyneside engineers.
Those are the
two great economic development projects in the region, but they are not
the only ones. It is estimated that a £20 million expansion of a
printable electronics technology centre in the north-east of England
will stimulate the creation of up to 250 jobs in the region and up to
1,500 jobs nationally in the next four years. The centre, at the
NETPark in Sedgefield, County Durham, is to receive £12 million
from the Government’s advanced manufacturing strategy, along
with a further £8 million that will be channelled by the
regional development agency. The global market for that
technology—it is a technical world and many people will not be
familiar with it, although I have been to see for myself the remarkable
things that can be done with the new technology—is estimated to
grow to £15 billion by 2015, so having our region in at the
forefront will be of huge importance to us.
There is a
£12 million investment by Government in open-access demonstrator
facilities for industrial biotechnology at Wilton. The Government will
also provide £2.5 million to support companies using the
demonstrator facility and match funds from the Technology Strategy
Board for new projects related to industrial biotechnology.
Another big
opportunity for our region is carbon capture and storage developments.
The north-east is obviously in a strong position because we are
geographically next door to the North sea. We have strong offshore and
process industry sectors and we have energy-intensive industries. We
could deliver an early demonstration of carbon capture and storage, and
that is what we are bidding for. Our plans were given a boost recently
by the Prime Minister’s visit. He came to look at the site which
would be at the heart of one of our BIDs—business improvement
districts—and we were able to get our message over to him. In
total, the proposed investments in this sector could amount to more
than £3 billion over the next 10 years.
I can confirm
today—it is nice to have some good news, Mr.
Cook—that, in part thanks to Government support, we hope to have
the main part of the Findus factory in north Tyneside up and running
and employing, initially, 230 people before Christmas. There are other
smaller, but no less important, projects, which seem to me worth
backing, and I want to speak specifically about two in County Durham.
The proposal for a renewable energy village on the site of the old Blue
Circle-Lafarge cement works at Eastgate in Weardale is a unique
development opportunity. If it goes ahead, it will be a demonstration
project for renewable energy. The project could create 350 new
jobs—150 in research and development and renewable energy, and
200 in hospitality and leisure-related businesses. The proposal would
also provide a significant tourism offer, utilising existing hot
springs.
Similarly, I
want to refer again to the project supported by Easington district
council for the development of a centre for creative excellence on a
72-hectare site in
Seaham. The development will include film studios, a film school, a
university with student accommodation—I understand that
discussions are under way with Sunderland university about this aspect
of the proposal—a four-star hotel with leisure facilities and
accommodation for production staff, etc. I know this sounds quirky, but
I think it is really exciting. We need to diversify our region’s
economy into the service sector, and this could be a real winner for
us. Don’t tell me that people in the north-east cannot do these
things, because I am absolutely certain they can. People will set to
with a will if a new industry comes here; it would really be a huge
boost. The local authority has been very imaginative, and I want to
praise again the work that has been by One North East and the
Government offices for the regions for trying to nurse this project
through and bring it to fruition. It has my strong backing, as I know
it has the backing of my hon. Friend the Member for Easington. I also
want to praise the work that he has put in to try to make this
happen.
A cluster of
creative industries could create up to 1,900 construction jobs and
2,400 operational jobs, and could contribute £67 million to the
region’s economy. These are not the only examples, but I
highlight them to show the range and the dynamism of the activity that
is going on in our region—a region that has done more over the
last decade to help itself than any other region of our country. We
have come a long way in the last 30 years. We are working
together to tackle the immediate impact of the
recession—supporting people, supporting jobs and supporting
businesses. There are quite a lot of things that give me hope and
encouragement, but nothing more so than the constructive, open and
energetic way in which other partners in this region have been willing
to work together—not just to come to meetings and go,
“Yes,” and “Mmm,” and then go away again,
but to play their part in a positive way to try to make these things
work and happen. Our approach was the right one before the economic
downturn struck. We have been hit harder than other English regions,
but we have the policies, the commitment and the sense and unity of
purpose to get through our present difficulties and out the other
side.
Several
hon. Members
rose
—
The
Chairman:
Order. It might be helpful if I remind the
meeting that we have 111 minutes left available in debating time;
perhaps Members could bear in mind the advice that I gave some moments
ago. I have five Members seeking my eye. There were a couple more, and
I will need to check once we sit down, but to get the debate under way
I call Sir Alan
Beith.
11.40
am
Sir
Alan Beith:
It is a pleasure to be in Middlesbrough in
this magnificent town hall. It has not only a magnificent council
chamber but other magnificent rooms, and was built at the height of
Middlesbrough’s prosperity, success, expansion and optimism.
Here we are debating a recession in a building that speaks of much
happier times, times that I want to see return to Middlesbrough so that
it can regain the civic pride that was such a noted feature of its
early years, and which many of its citizens maintain. Of course, now
that we are having a meeting in Middlesbrough
it is obvious that we should have the next one in Berwick—from
one part of the region to another. However, the last time we had
anything resembling a Parliament in Berwick was in 1292 when nobles
were choosing a Scottish King, and I am not sure whether that would go
down
well.
These
are strange proceedings in a way. If everybody was here there would be
27 Labour Members, one Conservative Member and one Liberal Democrat
Member. I am happy to carry out the role of the sole Opposition Member,
unless I am challenged in that by the hon. Member for Blaydon, as he
seeks to nationalise the various industries. I am pleased and proud to
carry out that role, not least because the Liberal Democrats have been
the alternative to the Labour party in much of the region, running the
city of Newcastle, being the leading party in Northumberland county
council, and running the old City of Durham until the Government
abolished it as part of their local government reorganisation. We
regard ourselves as the alternative to the Labour party in this region,
and of course if the last election had been fought on a proportional
system there would be seven Liberal Democrat, six Conservative and 15
Labour Members here. That roughly reflects the proportion of votes
around the region, and it gives a more accurate picture. I am happy to
be the Opposition today and can guarantee, as well as the 100 per cent.
attendance that I have already delivered, 100 per cent. unanimity on
the Liberal
Benches.
Of
course, we have been landed with this procedure in an attempt to mend
the huge gaps in accountability in the regional governance of the
United Kingdom, and in our region in particular, where these things
matter. The creation, first of Regional Select Committees and then of
Regional Grand Committees, has been part of an attempt to fill those
gaps. We are not happy with the Select Committees simply because they
do not represent the political balance within the regions, even under
the current electoral system, and that is why we are not taking part in
them. Labour Members have been drafted into the South West Regional
Select Committee to make up the numbers where Labour does not have a
majority, and Conservatives, if they chose to take part, would be
drafted into the Regional Select Committee for this region to make up
the numbers. We are not happy with that procedure, but if the Regional
Grand Committee procedure can be used to increase the accountability of
the regional Minister and his colleagues, that is
desirable.
We
were opposed to the local government changes, not least because they
had been voted down by the people of the region. People in
Northumberland did not vote for a single unitary authority; they voted
for two. However, now that those changes have taken place we have to
make the system work, and the leaders’ board is a potentially
valuable innovation that has come out of that. As the Minister has
indicated, the 12 local government leaders of the region can really
work together, both in holding regional bodies and Ministers to
account, and in innovation for the region, as they have begun to do.
The role of the regional Minister is potentially a good one, and the
Government made a good choice among those available to them in naming
the right hon. Member for Newcastle upon Tyne, East and Wallsend the
Minister for this region. However, as he is the Government Chief Whip
and has some clout and influence,
I would have hoped to see more progress on some of the issues that we
have already talked about, and on some of those that we will come
to.
Mr.
David Clelland (Tyne Bridge) (Lab): Much of that progress
would depend, of course, on public spending. The leader of the right
hon. Gentleman’s party, who has expressed the wish to be Prime
Minister when he grows up, has said that he would make savage cuts to
public spending. Does the right hon. Gentleman support that
view?
Sir
Alan Beith:
I am sure that the hon. Gentleman does not
want to be one of those politicians who intend to go into the next
election saying, “Don’t worry, we can find the money; we
can spend money on anything.” Shortly, we will come to a period
when we have to have severe restraint on public spending. I prefer
“severe” to “savage”. Savage sounds a bit
as though one is enjoying it; severe is what it is all about. We cannot
sustain the current levels of debt—we will pay too high a price
for them. The Government have started to recognise that, and all
parties will have to. The problem for us, and I will come to it in a
little more detail in a moment, is how we ensure that the north-east
does not suffer in the process of trying to get our public spending
back under control, and that the timing of decisions about public
spending does not lead to decisions being taken too soon. One other
party is recommending that we start cutting public spending now, which
will be damaging to getting us out of the recession. This recession was
not created in the north-east, but north-east families are among those
feeling the most severe impact on their jobs and livelihoods, while the
bankers who caused the recession go on collecting their enormous
bonuses, and the Government that took too little action to rein in the
banking industry still leave the bonus culture
intact.
We
saw early symptoms in the run on Northern Rock, which was the direct
result of the serious mismanagement of a prized northern institution.
Indeed, we told the Government three months before they nationalised
the bank that they were going to have to do so, and that there would be
no alternative. But it was not the fall of a former regional building
society that brought on the worldwide financial and economic crisis,
but decisions by bankers in the major financial capitals in the world.
They forgot well-tried and trusted banking principles, were greedy and
arrogant, and thought that one could invent ways of pretending that
debts did not exist—to some extent, they did, and fooled some of
the people some of the time, but one cannot fool all the people all the
time, and the result was the collapse that started with Lehman Brothers
going to the
wall.
What
a price we are paying for that in the region. Unemployment in August
2009 was at 9.4 per cent., against the UK average of 7.9 per cent.
Nationally, we have the highest level of unemployment since the
mid-1990s, and the number of people unemployed has doubled over the
past year—I think the highest level, as far as this region is
concerned, is in the Minister’s own constituency. Middlesbrough
itself is also an area of particularly high unemployment: 12.8 per
cent. overall, but 17.3 per cent. male employment—a 40 per cent.
increase on last year. It has hit many rural communities, particularly
in County Durham and Northumberland. The job losses are well
known—the large losses at
Northern Rock and Nissan, the fear of a significant loss from Corus,
which we have discussed earlier, and a danger and a threat to the
chemical industry in Teesside. It is like a domino effect—if one
goes, another will go, because the industries were built up to be
interconnected by ICI years ago before being sold off
separately.
Business
reports a more encouraging quarter, but that could be drastically
affected by public spending cuts in a region that is highly dependent
on the public sector for providing jobs and contracts. Output was down
every month for 13 months until June, but it went up for the first time
in July, which is an encouraging sign that we may be turning a corner
at last. The voluntary sector has asked us to point out the impact on
it. We are fortunate in this region in that there are a number of large
charitable funds, many built up by successful families over the years,
and put into bodies such as the Community Foundation to provide
tremendous support for innovation in the region’s social field
and for the individuals affected. But they are all significantly
affected by the general economic position; they cannot get significant
interest on the money that provides the help, and they have seen a
significant drop in income. At the same time, the demand for their
services, particularly those of charities that work among the most
vulnerable people, is increasing sharply, and many groups are forced to
use their reserve funds to help in their work.
That is one of
the hidden impacts of the recession, which I hope the Minister will
take from the meeting as something that he needs to be concerned about.
A recession does not affect only businesses, but those who are looking
after those affected by it, and those whose community projects, such as
village hall refurbishments, generate work and economic
activity.
There
are some good things happening. The weak pound is a genuine advantage
to the exporting business in the region. It has some adverse impact on
the purchase of raw materials, but it is potentially an export
opportunity that many businesses are doing their level best to take at
this time. As a region, we are industrially more diverse than we used
to be. At one time, we were totally dependent on a few heavy
industries—particularly coal, steel and shipbuilding. We have
had to diversify over recent years, which has reduced the impact of
recent events to some extent.
As the
Minister said, there are also areas of real progress in the region. The
energy industries are crucial to our future, and developments include
the New and Renewable Energy Centre at Blyth, and Clipper Windpower,
which has had Government funding. The growth of other new technologies,
such as printable electronics at Sedgefield, is encouraging, and we
want them and developments such as the National Industrial
Biotechnology Facility at Wilton to be encouraged. They are signs that
the north-east is trying to take care of its own future and encourage
its own industries, and I welcome the work that One NorthEast has done
towards that end.
It is well
known that my colleagues and I have always had concerns about the
accountability of regional development agencies. We are not happy that
so much Government money is being spent in our region by people who are
only loosely answerable to Ministers nationally and who are not
effectively answerable to the region. We are clear that business and
local authorities
see the regional development agency as having real value and as adding
something definite that we need, but that needs to be done on the basis
of genuine accountability. As I hinted earlier, the leaders’
board is one way to achieve that, and we as Members of Parliament have
a vital role in that respect.
One NorthEast
recently announced its plans regarding the curiously titled JEREMIE
funding scheme—the name stands for the Joint European Resources
for Micro to Medium Enterprise Initiative, but the scheme basically
provides capital for business at a time when business needs it. That is
one of a number of welcome projects.
A number of
other things work well in the north-east. Objective testing by the
Healthcare Commission shows that we have better health services overall
than most of the rest of the country, which is a really good thing.
There are also absolutely cutting-edge medical developments in our
region.
Our local
government also generally has a good record, which is surprising in a
way because it is very unpopular for much of the time. If we
objectively compare it with other regions, however, we see that the
quality of its work is high. A number of authorities are involved in
really valuable schemes. Newcastle city council has extended
apprenticeships and created 80 additional apprenticeships, bringing the
total to 200. All the region’s authorities have joined an
agreement on common procurement standards to ensure that businesses can
tender to authorities throughout the region without having to fill in
completely different forms and applications. The region’s
authorities have also all signed up to the prompt payment code and
committed themselves to carbon-reducing initiatives, which is good
news.
What do we
need to add to those good things to help us cope with what, as I said,
is a serious situation for the region? First and foremost, I must
mention transport. One disadvantage that the region faces is that it is
further from many of its markets than are other parts of the United
Kingdom, which makes investment in transport more central for us than
for at least some other regions. The North East Economic Forum
underlined that when it said that it was vital to improve our links
with the rest of the north and the wider UK and that access to markets
was crucial if we were to increase economic participation. We referred
earlier to the A1 and the link between England and Scotland, which is
also the link between the east coast ports and many of the industries
to which they relate. The A1 is a strategic road, and we cannot carry
on with a situation in which parts of it are an inadequate country
lane. I think that the Minister realises that, but he needs more weight
behind him if we are to achieve progress. I agree with him that
progress can probably be achieved only incrementally, but we have to
see some of the increments.
Mr.
Brown:
Given the long-standing
difficulties, which have been with us for several decades, I have
offered a rational way forward and I hope that I can count on the right
hon. Gentleman’s support in trying to make it a reality.
Incidentally, I was grateful for his kind remarks about the work of the
development agency. Our development agency serves our region well and
is a good example to development agencies in other parts of the
country. The right hon. Gentleman has spoken kindly about the
development agency’s work, but I understand that it is his
party’s policy to abolish it.
Perhaps he can reassure me on that and also join me in a cause that he
says is dear to his heart, namely the widening of the A1 north of
Newcastle up to
Berwick.
“A
Fresh Start for Britain” is a Liberal Democrat policy document
that, as well as promising road pricing, which means tolls across the
River Tyne,
states:
“We
will end motorway widening
schemes.”
That
is a definitive statement—it is not followed by, “Except
those leading to the parliamentary constituencies of Liberal Democrat
Members of Parliament”—but how is that pledge not to
spend any money in this area compatible with what the hon. Gentleman
has
said?
The
Chairman:
Order. I ought to remind the Committee about two
points. First, interventions must be brief, and secondly, the debate is
on Government policy, not on Opposition parties’
policy.
Sir
Alan Beith:
I remind the Minister that the A1 north of
Newcastle is not a motorway by any stretch of the imagination. It is a
single carriageway that needs to be a dual carriageway. I entirely
support the policy of giving up on constantly widening the motorways
that cut across the midlands and the south of England. Adding extra
lanes to the M25, for example, does not make environmental sense and,
rather than assisting the strategic development of regions that need
more economic activity, congests regions that already have heavy rates
of such activity. Perhaps I need to provide the Minister with a more
detailed explanation; I would be happy to assist him in that
respect.
On
road transport—this issue is close to the Minister’s own
constituency so he will be well aware of it—what will happen
upon the completion of the second Tyne tunnel? If we do not proceed
with work on the roundabouts at either end of the Tyne tunnel, which
connect it to the rest of the road system, the creation of the second
tunnel will not achieve its purpose of reducing congestion in Tyneside
or of opening up travel into south-east Northumberland and further into
north Northumberland. I hope that the Minister has that firmly on his
agenda, because if not it will generate a considerable
problem.
Sir
Stuart Bell:
Since we are debating the regional economy,
does the right hon. Gentleman approve of the second Tyne tunnel as a
contribution to that
economy?
Sir
Alan Beith:
The second Tyne tunnel is a contribution to
the regional economy and I am happy that the decision has been made.
However, it will not make sense if access to the second tunnel does not
feed into the road systems. Part of our objective is to see traffic
transferred from road to rail, so we have to look to our rail system to
achieve
that.
There
are two aspects to this. First, we have already discussed our concern
about high-speed rail. I am generally in favour of it, but my primary
concern is that if we get it, as has been put to us by the Conservative
party and by the report received by the Government—they did not
write it—the projects do not cover the north-east of England. If
the north of England is not a part of the high-speed rail project from
the beginning, investment will be pulled towards regions where
high-speed rail is a certainty. I suspect that all members of the
Committee believe that when high-speed rail happens, the north of
England needs to be integrated. High-speed rail has tremendous potential
and possibilities, and we are way behind not just Japan, but Spain in
developing
it.
In
the meantime, while decisions are being made, improvements on the east
coast mainline could achieve significant benefits for the region. The
Leamside and other rail lines could be improved to open up existing
lines into south-east Northumberland. Also, people should be able to
board trains that are already there, such as that at Belford station
which stops twice a day but nobody can get on it because a platform has
not been built for it yet. All sorts of small-scale things can be done
to allow more traffic to transfer from road to rail and to
increase the east coast main line’s capacity. The
Minister must recognise how important transport is.
There are a
number of other things that I want to mention that are important to our
region now. Bank lending to businesses is crucial. The Government now
own seven of the major banks. They really have to lean on them to say,
“You need to be lending to business, not in a reckless way but
in a properly secured way, and not at penal rates of interest
that business cannot accommodate.”
What is
crucial to our region—it is already very valuable—is
education. Education, including higher education and further education,
in particular the former, has been a major factor in the economy of the
region for a number of reasons. First, it is a major employer; it is
one of the major employers on Tyneside, for example. Within the region,
we have an array of excellent universities. They bring people into the
region and the synergy between the universities and business in the
region is extremely successful and valuable, and it needs to be
continued and encouraged. Universities also help to raise skill levels
within the region.
We need more
development in further education in the region. Of course, a number of
colleges in the region were hit by the college finance
fiasco—the absolute chaos of colleges expecting funding that did
not subsequently arrive. Those colleges had committed a great deal of
expenditure to projects, even in some cases to preparation of sites,
that did not then go ahead. That was a very serious piece of
mismanagement of public resources, as the Government themselves
recognised. We need our further education. There are parts of the
region, particularly in the north of Northumberland, where we have
little or no further education. There is almost no further education
provided in my constituency. There is a tiny element provided by way of
extension at Berwick. Otherwise, it is just too far—50
miles—for many young people to travel to access further
education. We need to see development on that front. Again, I think
that all the authorities realise that, but they have not delivered
yet.
We
have seen investment in schools. I must say that some of the investment
in schools—some of the academy investment—has been in
places that felt they were well enough provided with places already. I
know that some of the Labour Members, such as the hon. Member for Blyth
Valley who is not here today, have been extremely critical of the
academy proposal in Blyth, for example, while we could have done with
an academy in Alnwick and investment in the high school there. I am
glad to say that the Schools Minister is coming to visit Alnwick
shortly to look at the desperate state of the school
buildings at the Duchess community high school. His predecessor had
promised to make the visit but did not make it before getting moved to
another job. I hope that this Schools Minister does not move before
making the visit to Alnwick. Investment in education is
crucial to us.
We also have
problems in many areas in terms of housing improvement and affordable
housing; investment in that sector would be for the region. I also
mentioned to the Minister earlier some of the problems about energy
efficiency in rural properties. I will talk to him in more detail about
that issue outside this Committee.
One of the
things that could help a lot would be if we were able to develop
facilities for the rural businesses. In many of the rural areas
– it is true in Northumberland and in the Dales too –
broadband crucially opens up opportunities, both for existing
businesses and for new businesses to be created, and also for home
working. So we need to look at innovative ways to get broadband into
those communities. Alston Moor, which is just over the border in
Cumbria, has a very exciting scheme doing that, working with local
people who would like to see more than that
scheme.
We
want to see initiatives to deal with youth unemployment, both locally
and nationally. We were talking at our conference last week about new
initiatives for youth unemployment, such as a new and enlarged paid
internship scheme, and for more university and college places. Those
things seem to us to be a better way of spending money than the VAT
cuts.
The Labour
party has been in power throughout most of the north-east for as long
as most people can remember. Although it has now been replaced in power
in Newcastle by the Liberal Democrats and in Northumberland by a
leadership from the Liberal Democrats, the Labour party has been in a
very strong position. We have had a Labour Government for a long period
and for most of that period the Prime Minister represented a north-east
constituency.
However, there
have been an awful lot of missed opportunities over that period. Some
things that were done were good for this region. Take the minimum wage,
for example. I can use that example because I was a bit sceptical about
the minimum wage, to be honest; I felt that it might lead to
job-shedding. I must say that it was a success story. But what did the
Government do? They then took away with one hand what they had given
with the other—the abolition of the 10p tax rate. They had gone
through an extraordinarily expensive process to restore the money that
had been taken away from people. Many parts of this region, including
my constituency, are certainly low-wage areas, and such action has had
a serious
impact.
Another
missed opportunity for the region was the Lyons review. Where are the
jobs that could have been moved out of London to the north-east? We
have benefited less from the Lyons review than almost any other region
and the supposed process of transferring Government jobs. I accept that
Governments have to get a bit tough with the civil service on such
matters. People say that it is impossible to operate from other parts
of the country, but that is nonsense. The local Department for
Children, Schools and Families has carried out much of its work from
Darlington for many
years. A significantly small part of the local Department for
Environment, Food and Rural Affairs operates within my constituency
and, with modern technology, much more Government work could be moved
out of London to regions such as the north-east.
However, apart
from the lack of jobs coming to the area, local tax offices are being
closed in places such as Alnwick, Morpeth and Hexham and not being
replaced. I have put it to Ministers that, even if it were felt
necessary to centralise the operation of tax collection inception or
other work, why not use those offices and train the staff to carry out
those functions. Years ago when the Ministry of Agriculture decided to
close its regional offices at Alnwick, I went to the then Minister,
Peter Walker, and asked if something else could be done. He actually
found a library function and transferred it to Alnwick. That office now
does a different job. It deals with the expenses claims of officials at
the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. I am sure that
the House of Commons expenses claims would have been dealt with much
more strictly and rigorously if such work had been done from an
efficient office in
Alnwick.
Perhaps
one of the matters that we ought to deal with and which has been
featured in most discussions is the Barnett formula. The Commons has
presided over a formula that was created years ago by a Chief Secretary
to the Treasury who now says that he had never intended it to last so
long. It has determined the balance of spending between England and
Scotland, but does not make a similar provision for the north-east
region, which has many problems to those experienced by Scotland. That
is a huge missed
opportunity.
Let
us also consider the massive waste in central micro-management and
directing too much from the centre, such as targets, and thus involving
the constant response of all sorts of bodies. The Government calculated
that it cost local councils £1.8 million to respond to their 556
performance indicators. We should be devolving decision making and
trusting people in the region. We cannot do what Scotland and Wales or
even the Isle of Man can do, which is to take the money that is
available to that part of the world and decide how best it can be spent
and what, from a regional point of view, we think is the best way in
which to use it. Those decisions are effectively taken for us and the
regional Minister goes to London to persuade his colleagues to make
different decisions. Such decisions would be better made and have
better outcomes if they were made in this
region.
It
is still my view that this region will cope with the recession and
build recovery far more effectively if its own elected representatives
are given the opportunity to work with the region’s businesses,
public bodies, voluntary organisations and communities on the basis of
a fair financial settlement and decide in the region what it needs and
how that can be provided. Even if we had what I want, which is much
more regional decision making than we have now, there are crucial
national decisions to be made about public
spending.
In
dealing with the recession at national level, we have to get the timing
right. It is useless to pretend otherwise because we all know that we
cannot continue public spending indefinitely at present levels and at
present levels of tax income. We will have to reduce debt levels during
the years to come, but if we start the retrenchment too soon, this
region will suffer and the
recession will not be overcome. Governments have to
spend during recessions. That is basic Keynesian economics. The key
judgment that central Government must make—so far, they have not
got it wrong—is that now is not yet the moment to start the
retrenchment process. We have to prepare for it and begin looking at
what we will need to do to contain levels of public spending, but we
are not yet at the point in the cycle when it would make sense to do
so. To do it too soon would be severely to the detriment of the
north-east of
England.
Several
hon. Members
rose
—
The
Chairman:
Order. There are 81 minutes remaining, so the
mathematics are not difficult. We are without the normal
aide-mémoire of the clock behind us but there are now 80 minutes
left and eight right hon. and hon. Members seeking my eye, so please
keep an eye on the
time.
12.10
pm
Mr.
Clelland:
Thank you, Mr. Cook. I echo others in
welcoming the opportunity to be here in Middlesbrough town hall under
your chairmanship at this first meeting of the North East Regional
Grand Committee. It is a great initiative and I want to congratulate
our Government on bringing about these Grand Committees, particularly
here in the north-east, which is probably one of the most successful
held so far. It is a great initiative, though no substitute for
regional government for which many of us in this room campaigned long
and hard. We cannot make decisions here but we can draw attention to
the region’s problems and its potential in our
debates.
It is also
interesting, if not a pleasure, to follow the right hon. Member for
Berwick-upon-Tweed. I agree with much, though not all, of what he said.
It will be interesting to read the transcript of his speech because
much of what he said is needed for the future of the region will
involve a great deal of public expenditure, which does not fit too well
with the savage cuts announced by his leader at the conference last
week.
The north-east
has a proud and, for too many workers, sometimes a painful history in
manufacturing and mineral extraction. These industries dominated over
centuries and painted a picture of a grimy and scarred
landscape—of ships and trains belching smoke, of noisy and dirty
factories, of coal heaps and the residual waste that created black
hills to challenge the beauty that the north-east countryside and coast
are now able to showcase to the world, encouraging the growth of the
visitor economy referred to earlier by the Minister.
Most of our
grimy history has gone and we are faced with the challenge of replacing
the thousands of jobs it supported with new employment and new
opportunities. Too often in the past when hard economic times hit the
United Kingdom, the north-east took an unfair share of the
consequences. North-east industry, along with the jobs it supported,
was often the first to suffer. Today, however, having worked to replace
the old industries with new, our region is much better placed than ever
to weather the storm and to come through the economic downturn with
optimism and hope for the future. But is the storm over? Reading the
pages of the regional business press—which I often do as I am
sure do other Members—we can see just in the past couple of
weeks, comments such as,
“the long term
outlook for the region’s exporters looks
buoyant”
from
the Newcastle
Journal of 16 September. We read of our
region’s excellence in chemicals and biotechnology,
pharmaceuticals and auto-engineering and that regional businesses are
optimistic that we are
“well placed to
take advantage of the recovery when it comes”.
If economic
forecasters have it right, the recovery may well be on the way, thanks
to the actions of our Government at home and the lead given by our
Prime Minister to the rest of the industrialised world. However, we
cannot be complacent and just lie back and hope that the recession is
over and wait for orders to come and jobs to follow. We have to get out
there and win orders, and sell our businesses and our skills in order
to build the prosperous future that our region deserves. That is the
call made recently by the north-east chamber of commerce and the
Newcastle Journa
l—the need for increased overseas
trade to boost our economic prospects. Of course, much of that trade
will be with Europe. Businesses in the north-east currently export to
Italy, the Netherlands, Spain, Poland, Germany, Belgium, the Irish
Republic and so on. It is therefore in the best interests of our region
and regional employment and business that we remain an integral and
committed member of the European Union, something the Euro-sceptical
Conservative party and the anti-Europe United Kingdom Independence
party would jeopardise given the opportunity.
We learn from
local companies, such as Stockton Building Services, of the need for
public spending in education, health and defence to provide work
opportunities for our people. The Labour Government are committed to
continuing the economic stimulus that has helped us through the
recession and will eventually see us on the upturn. In my constituency,
British Aerospace on Scotswood road is awaiting the announcement of MOD
orders that will maintain its work force and its excellent
apprenticeship scheme. In a recent question to a Defence Minister in
the House of Commons, I was assured that the announcement would come
soon. I urge the Minister for the North East to ensure that it
does.
As
we are approaching a general election and discussing the future of our
regional economy, it is relevant to examine what that future might
hold. The Conservatives are hellbent on putting a stop to public
investment and cutting the important social provision brought in by
this Government over the past 12 years. Although the Prime Minister
acknowledged at the recent TUC conference, as did the right hon. Member
for Berwick-upon-Tweed a few minutes ago, that efficiency savings and
cuts in waste and unnecessary programmes would have to be made, he was
equally clear that continued public investment remains crucial to a
lasting and sustainable recovery. The Prime Minister was also clear
that important front-line public services should not be
threatened.
The
right hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed will see that the Prime
Minister accepts that there is a need for public restraint, but that is
a far cry from the savage cuts referred to by the Liberal Democrat
leader at the party conference last week. Under the Liberal
Democrats’ proposals, even important front-line services could
be threatened by cuts. Their Treasury spokesman, the hon. Member for
Twickenham (Dr. Cable), has said that nothing should be ruled out and
that there should be no
ring-fencing.
The
Conservative party has not yet spelled out the full extent of what cuts
it would make, apart from increasing the price of beer in the House of
Commons,
but we can glimpse what a Conservative Government
would mean by reading the recent report published the party’s
friends in the Institute of Directors and the TaxPayers’
Alliance. Stockton Building Services will be concerned to hear of the
proposal that the Government’s Building Schools for the Future
programme should go, as well as the education maintenance allowance
that has encouraged so many youngsters from poorer families to stay on
at school and gain the qualifications that will help them in future
employment. So too would Sure Start, one of the Labour
Government’s major achievements, which helps parents of
pre-school children with their development during the opportune early
years.
The
Conservatives would scrap Labour’s plans for extending the
school-leaving age to 18, cut £687 million from grants to
voluntary organisations, freeze the basic state pension and abolish
interest subsidy to student loans. Add to this their recommendation
that universal free bus travel to the elderly and free TV licences
should be scrapped, and it can be seen that no one would escape the
painful consequences of their policies. In a region where public
spending accounts for 53 per cent. of GDP, we must take threats of such
cuts seriously. Avoiding them will be in the hands of the electorate in
due course.
In the
meantime, when the economic downturn finally becomes an upturn and
employment begins to grow once more, we in the north-east need to be
ready to take full advantage of it and ensure that our region is at the
forefront of the recovery. I believe that we are better placed to do so
today than we have ever been. I have mentioned our excellence in
various fields of industry, but others are waiting in the wings or
emerging even now, such as renewables, clean coal technology,
low-carbon energy technologies and electric vehicles. I point out to my
right hon. Friend the Minister that one firm at the cutting edge of
battery technology is Sevcon, in my constituency. I urge him to visit
the firm to hear what it has to say about the great potential of
electric vehicles for the future.
We are well
placed to forge ahead in those areas and provide a boost to our
region’s economy, as well as to make our contribution to the
green agenda and the nation’s energy needs. We have the coal,
offshore specialists, technological expertise and manufacturers to do
so. Ironically for a region that has boasted some of the
nation’s most skilled workers, we face a shortage in skills that
could jeopardise our progress. That is why it is so important to
continue to invest in education and training, and why our young people
should have every assistance to access the excellent further and higher
education and training opportunities available to them right here, in
this region.
We will need
help from the Government as well, of course, not least to improve our
internal and external transport links, to which the right hon. Member
for Berwick-upon-Tweed referred. Proposals that the next major
extension of high-speed rail should occur on the west coast are not
acceptable to our region, although I notice that Network Rail suggests
in more recent publications that that should be followed by routes
through Sheffield and Newcastle. However, those are proposals made by
others, not the Government. To be fair to the Secretary of State for
Transport and the Government, no decision has yet been taken. The
various
opinions touted will be taken into consideration
when the body set up to report on high speed 2, the next phase of
high-speed rail, finally presents its report to the Government. So we
need to ensure a strong voice for our region in that process.
But, public
spending on other capital projects is also vital to this region. Our
major road network needs to be upgraded to provide safe and efficient
links to the north, south and west. The A66, A69 and Al north of
Newcastle are three examples of this. I have long banged on about our
region being isolated from the country’s motorway system and at
least that is now being addressed by the Government. Works are under
way as we speak to link the A1(M) in the north-east to the Ml by
replacing the current dual carriageway between Scotch Corner and
Dishforth with motorway. That is very welcome public investment which,
while it is not in our region as the Minister pointed out, will
nevertheless be a big improvement to our motorway links with the
midlands and the south. Also welcome is the new Tyne crossing; it will
be of huge benefit to the travelling public and to industry and
commerce.
Public
investment, properly directed, has been, and will continue to be, a
vital element in our region’s future prospects and development.
We have a proud and sometimes painful history here in the north-east.
We have built the nation’s ships and provided its energy and we
have felt the pain of recession and economic downturns too often. But
we have come through all of that and we now have the determination and
ability to build on what we have learned. This is a great region, a
great place to live, to learn and to work. I believe we are better
placed than ever before to take the region forward to a brighter future
if we work together and make best use of the opportunities available.
We have a proud past, but the best is yet to come. I believe the
north-east can now look forward with confidence to an even greater
future.
The
Chairman:
There are 67 minutes remaining and seven Members
are bidding for the
floor.
12.22
pm
Ms
Dari Taylor:
I am grateful to be called and I am very
pleased that we are having our first Grand Committee in Teesside. I am
sure that my right hon. Friend the Minister would agree that today he
is in the cream of the region.
I want to
start by making a statement about the regional Select Committee. We
have held meetings over the last four months and have met many people
from the universities, the regional development agency, the business
world and the employers’ associations. It has been a valuable
period of exploration. My hon. Friend the Member for Blaydon, who is a
member of that Select Committee, is sitting alongside me.
One statement
that came through loud and clear in all our investigations and our
evidence taking is that the RDA is performing an excellent job. That
was said not just by the universities, as might be expected because
they and their research and development are supported by the RDA, but
by the employers. The Federation of Small Businesses said that if the
RDA was not there to co-ordinate all the important parts of our
commerce and industry, a similar body would have to be invented. That
was a clear and positive statement. We are getting value for money from
the £240 million.
The Regional
Select Committee travelled to Blyth to look at the offshore wind
development. It is exciting stuff. The people there believe that they
are leading not only nationally, but globally and they need more and
more support from the Government. We are delighted that they recently
received £4 million. They explained how Clipper is taking off in
a very imaginative way. We need to have things explained to us: we are
politicians, not scientists. They told us that when their offshore wind
farm is developed, one of the wings of the wind turbine will be as long
as our football field here in Middlesbrough. It is an incredible size
and an incredible delivery of energy. It is very exciting. We also went
to Nissan and heard a similar story. I will comment later on the way in
which Whitehall works, and I hope that the Minister will take my
comments on board and help to rectify the situation.
We are seeing
exciting developments that will be significant for future employment in
the region. There is NETPark and its innovative
electronics—startling stuff. Furthermore, we are not talking
about just one university: Newcastle is involved in Blyth; Durham in
NETPark; and Sunderland in Nissan. The universities and the whole of
the north east are linked and work together purposefully. We ended our
travels here in Wilton where we looked at the work on technologies such
as clean coal and biofuels, fronted, in particular, by NEPIC. This is a
very clear and seriously important gathering of information and
evidence. The right hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed, who is a friend
of mine, said that we are talking about the region during a recession.
I accept that it is a difficult time, but we have so much to be
optimistic about and so much that is contributing to the development of
a great future for the northern region.
We are on the
starting blocks with many different developments in many different
areas of green energy technology. However, there are problems, and I
would like the Minister to acknowledge them and, hopefully, help
overcome them. The first problem relates to Whitehall. The Regional
Select Committee is to take evidence from Whitehall officials from the
Department for Business, Innovation and Skills. As we saw again and
again, throughout the region, there is no doubt that Whitehall has
brilliant ideas and very capable and clever people. Invariably,
however, they seem to be stuck with Oxford university, Cambridge
university and Imperial College London. What about us? We will make
that case loud and clear. Billions of pounds are being invested, and we
want some of it. We are as good as other regions, and should not be
excluded. As has been stressed loud and clear, we are two and a half
hours—three hours maximum—away from Whitehall, but we
could be on a different planet from some people there and we are not
prepared to accept
that.
Secondly,
we heard an impassioned plea, particularly when we visited Nissan:
“Whitehall came up here with brilliant ideas about the formation
of a new committee to bring together the sub-region of Sunderland, but
we had a committee already and it was working. But they had a better
idea and imposed their committee on us.” It took 18 months to
bed in and was an awful waste of time, and many people involved in the
process, giving vast amounts of their own time, felt thoroughly
cheated. Whitehall thought that it had a brilliant idea, but it was not
so brilliant, because the region was already delivering
the necessary research and commercial development activity. I hope that
the Minister will take that point back to Whitehall. We will be
speaking to people from BIS and requiring much more effective liaison
with our
regions.
There
is a third problem that will not surprise anybody here, but I repeat it
to the Minister with a keen sense that it is critical not only to
define the problem, but to seek a resolution. The point concerns
getting money—anything from £100,000 to £1
million—for new product manufacturing. The research might be
good, and the product proving its efficacy, but getting banks to accept
the risks is monumentally impossible. However, we need the impossible.
NEPIC would give us chapter and verse about good products that we could
develop and benefit from, but which are left on the table because it
cannot secure those amounts of money. If more than £1 million is
needed, the banks are much more interested, which strikes me as
inordinately funny. However, if less than £1 million is needed,
there is a serious problem. The Minister will know that Ensus, a
£300 billion green energy company, will open its doors in
Teesside this autumn. It is a phenomenal piece of delivery and we are
thrilled that Ensus management has achieved that private industry, with
the support of One NorthEast. We can do such things, but we must have
venture capital that can support small product development, otherwise
we would be missing so much from our
economy.
I
also want to say to the Minister—I am not the best at
criticising my Government, and it is painful to make this
criticism—that a road transport fuel agreement for biofuels of 5
per cent. by 2010 had been established. However, the publication of the
Gallagher report caused everybody to reconsider the matter, because it
was thought that the food and fuel debate had not been answered. It
said that we, as greedy westerners, were pushing the fuel side of the
debate, and that we were denying food to third world.
The Government
took on board the argument made in the Gallagher report, but the
problem is that if Government policy is not clear, absolute and
unequivocal, as it should be, getting private money is monumentally
problematic. We understand the debate on food and fuel, but the fact is
that Teesside answered that debate clearly and purposefully. There is
no way that we want to take food off tables so that we can drive our
limousines—we do not want that and would not support it. I hope
that the Minister can get a clear and carefully articulated policy that
does not change halfway through. If policies change, it is seriously
problematic for investment.
The innovative
schemes that have been introduced have been very valuable. I have
received letters, as I am sure have many of my colleagues, about the
car scrappage scheme. I have one from Benfield, a motor group in the
northern region, that states clearly that the scheme has been an
unmitigated success, that it has maintained employment and that it has
been incredibly valuable. The letter goes on to say that car scrappage
has been an “incremental” scheme, because it has
generated extra funds in VAT for Her Majesty’s Revenue and
Customs, which more than match the amount of money that the Government
have put in. I am sure that the Minister will know what I am going to
say next: 1 January 2010 is fast approaching and we would like the
scheme to be
extended. This has been a no-cost scheme for the Government, and I would
like the Minister to please keep it going.
I also want to
thank the Minister and the Government for the innovation whereby
companies have been allowed to pay national insurance contributions and
VAT at a much slower rate, over a period of time. I have received
letters from companies that tell me that the scheme is giving them
breathing space and allowing them to survive. Please keep that
going.
The Minister
has given a lot in the debate on council tax, but we want more. We
would prefer to spend money to create employment than simply to support
empty property, so will the Minister look at the matter
again?
I shall end by
referring quickly to the next inquiry of the Regional Select Committee,
which will be on tourism. We will publish the innovative industry
report in October, and then begin the report on tourism. There is an
absolute belief that, of everything we do, tourism is one of the major
areas in which employment opportunities are seriously undermined. We
know that with a better and more focused tourism policy, employment
opportunities will zoom. Although we have not been to Berwick and
further into Northumberland than Blyth so far, we will be asking the
right hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed to welcome us to his
constituency so that we can talk about, and take evidence on, tourism.
The Minister made a statement about the Lindisfarne gospels. I could
say much, but will not, because time is tight. He is right to say that
they belong in the northern region. The British Library has had a
tremendous run with the Lindisfarne gospels and they should now be back
in the
north.
Mr.
Clelland:
I have followed the debate on the Lindisfarne
gospels, and I also have an interest in Greece, where I take many
holidays. Greece is asking for the Elgin marbles back. I wonder whether
the Minister might want to ask the Foreign Secretary to suggest in the
United Nations that all artefacts belonging to areas that it has
designated international heritage areas should be returned. That would
get the Lindisfarne gospels back here, would it
not?
Ms
Taylor:
Mr. Cook, perhaps you and others might
imagine it. I would certainly love the Lindisfarne gospels to be
returned but I am not overly confident about sending back to Greece
many of the artefacts that we have. I find I am in a very difficult
position.
Mr.
Mullin:
Don’t go
there.
Ms
Taylor:
My hon. Friend could be right. In answer to my
hon. Friend the Member for Tyne Bridge, I simply need to be
reassured.
A
condition report has been made on the Lindisfarne gospels. My hon.
Friends the Members for City of Durham and for Gateshead, East and
Washington, West worked stoically on the issue, and, according to the
British Library, the document would allow us to house and exhibit the
Lindisfarne gospels perhaps one year in seven or 10. I found the report
markedly offensive.
If the gospels can travel one year in seven or one in 10, I suggest we
should have them permanently, and the British Library should have the
copy. The last time the gospels were in the region, there were queues
around the block of 700 to 1,000 people waiting to view
them.
My
last comment is this: no cuts. I say that absolutely. I have no problem
with savings or with efficiencies or a slowdown in the introduction of
a new product, even though that could well mean identity
cards—but no cuts. I am focused on the fact that if we keep
people employed, they pay tax, do not receive unemployment benefit and
contribute to our community. Working families tax credit, child tax
credit and supporting people grant, which I shall discuss later
privately, provide money that we need in the community. We need the
banks to be less risk-averse and we need Government support.
Perhaps I am
over-optimistic but I believe that there are green shoots, such as
housing development and the new schools development in my patch. There
is the new academy and the investment of more than £4 million in
St. Patrick’s, with which we are delighted. The green shoots
must continue, but that will not happen if we take the Conservative
party line and cut public expenditure
now.
Several
hon. Members
rose—
The
Chairman:
Order. I have no wish to inhibit or stifle
debate—it is the last thing I want—but I remind hon.
Members that we have 50 and a half minutes left. We are losing pace
with the clock, and six hon. Members still want to catch my
eye.
12.40
pm
John
Cummings (Easington) (Lab): It is a pleasure to be in the
great town of Middlesbrough to speak at the first meeting of the Grand
Committee sitting in the region. I shall adhere to your request,
Mr. Cook, and curtail what would have been quite a lengthy
speech, dealing with various problems in my constituency, although
great progress has been made there over a number of
years.
We
have to understand the background to the position we found ourselves in
following the demise and dismantling of our major industry, which was,
of course, the mining of coal. The dismantling of the mining industry
and the premature closure of pits during the 1980s and 1990s under
successive Tory Governments still truly rankles with people who live in
traditional mining communities. That is a significant factor in
understanding our labour market figures. In particular, the hard
physical nature of mining work over many years has taken its toll on
the health of the male population. That has manifested itself in ill
health and incapacity in later life, and has certainly contributed
substantially to the high levels of incapacity affecting many
ex-miners. However, there has been a steady reduction in incapacity and
long-term sickness benefit claimant figures since 2001. Remarkably,
there has been a 20 per cent. reduction in claimants in Easington, with
the numbers reducing every quarter since May 2003.
More recently,
multi-million pound public and private sector investments—driven
mainly by the Labour Easington district council, as it was then, and
the Labour Durham
county council, as it is now—have certainly changed the face of
Easington and helped to identify, so that we can diversify, our
industrial base. Much of the work to secure investment in the area has
borne fruit in the past three years. Over 8,200 more people were in
employment in the Easington constituency in September 2007, compared
with 2004, although we are now facing the additional challenge of a
global economic downturn. This has also impacted on the automotive
sector in Peterlee, where, last year, unfortunately, we saw
considerable lay-offs in manufacturing and car component supply
companies such as Caterpillar and NSK-AKS Steering Systems.
Nevertheless,
multi-million pound investments are changing the face of Easington, and
Labour, in government, working in concert with Durham county council
and private sector partners, has already seen the realisation of a
number of successful developments. Many others are ongoing—a
number of which I know the Minister has visited and taken an interest
in over the last several years. These include Byron Place in Seaham, an
£18 million shopping mall with an array of high
street names including Asda, Wilkinson and Argos. Work was completed on
the 300,000 sq ft development by Modus Properties in October 2007. The
new shopping development was commissioned to bring new life into the
heart of Seaham and it has already created 200 new jobs.
I intend to
identify those areas where progress has been made over a number of
years, to indicate that all is not gloom and despondency in east
Durham. On the back of the town centre redevelopment is the £19
million St John’s square development, which will see new
commercial and community buildings and health facilities, and see the
demolition of derelict and unsightly buildings. The dock company
relocation is a £10 million project that started in 1999 to
relocate the commercial port-related activity of the Seaham Harbour
Dock Co. to the outskirts of the town. It involved the construction of
a new freight rail terminal and a new transport hub for distribution
networks. It truly paved the way for the recent town centre
redevelopment and the future marina
development.
Following
the approval of £2 million of funding from the regional
development agency, One NorthEast, the Seaham north dock is witnessing
a series of works to boost the economic prosperity of the Seaham dock
area. Works currently under way include the installation of new dock
gates, the creation of a 77-berth marina and the provision of workspace
accommodation for 12 marina-related businesses, creating up to
50 jobs and, I hope, a permanent home to display Seaham
harbour’s seafaring heritage and the former Seaham harbour
lifeboat, the George Emily. Unfortunately, the lifeboat was destroyed
in 1962 in a disaster in which many people lost their lives, but it is
undergoing restoration and will, I hope, prove to be a focal point once
the redevelopment of the north dock is completed.
The first
phase of the £16 million east Durham direct link road to Seaham
from the Al(M) was completed in September 2008. The second
phase—a £1.7 million single carriageway—connects
Cold Hesledon junction to the new Hawthorn Prestige business park,
which we hope will become home to the Geothermal Research Education and
Training Institute and to green businesses involved in work on climate
change and carbon dioxide reduction. The project will provide the
opportunity to create many thousands of jobs in a global growth
industry.
We
should not forget the contribution of the private sector as an engine
of economic recovery. In my constituency, the GT Group has shown the
way forward in terms of innovation and has secured a considerable order
book, which will help to safeguard existing engineering jobs and create
new
ones.
There
is still more work in progress, with projects such as the £300
million world-class Centre for Creative Excellence earmarked for a 200
acre site south of Seaham, which could include educational facilities,
a film studio, parkland, leisure facilities and a hotel, with the
potential for 2,400 jobs and the magnificent vista of training
opportunities for our young people in new media and the creative arts.
I extend my thanks to the Minister for the personal interest and drive
that he is showing in moving the project forward.
Labour in
government has continued to address the structural problems of areas
such as Easington and it is constantly working to raise the aspirations
of the people of the town. We must continue to encourage investment in
new physical infrastructures, such as the Hawthorn industrial park,
Dalton park phase 2 and Spectrum business park, as well as in town
centre developments in Peterlee and Seaham. It is also essential that
we continue to diversify our employment base and provide new employment
and training opportunities, especially for our young people, in a way
that many would not have thought possible only a decade ago.
Labour in
government has truly shown, and continues to show, the way forward, and
I commend the positive and progressive policies that the Government
have adopted. Those policies have worked in my constituency and have
made a substantial contribution to the local, regional and national
economy of the future.
Several
hon. Members
rose
—
The
Chairman:
Order. There are 41 minutes remaining, and there
are still six names in the bidding. I call Sir Stuart
Bell.
12.50
pm
Sir
Stuart Bell:
As we say in the House of Commons, everything
that could be said will have been said, but not everybody has yet said
it. Therefore, Mr. Cook, you will have to hear four more
speakers saying the same kind of thing about what we are trying to do
with the north-east regional economy.
Although we
are talking about the regional economy, no one has mentioned The Sage
Gateshead, which makes a huge contribution to our intellectual and
cultural life in the north-east. We are proud to have opposite this
place, for those Members of Parliament who would like a stroll
afterwards, the Middlesbrough Institute of Modern Art. That is an
extraordinary achievement when one thinks of the august occasions on
which this council chamber might have been used, as the right hon.
Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed said. It was used in the first instance
by Mr. Gladstone himself, way back in 1862, when he said
that this town of ours was an infant Hercules. If he came today and saw
MIMA, he might stop chopping down his trees and have a look at some of
our wonderful portraits and
paintings.
In
terms of the regional economy and culture, I want to mention the
Pentland school in Billingham. I had the honour of being at the Royal
Albert hall last night for a
concert by the Northern Sinfonia, where it was
announced that a national competition had been held among schools for
the best composition. Lo and behold—I do not know how many
people were there; maybe 10,000, as it was a full hall—the
winning school was Pentland school in Middlesbrough. Actually, it is in
your constituency, Mr. Cook; I am happy to acknowledge that,
and I know that you have taken a big interest in the school. That
achievement is not something that one might read about, but it is what
we do in this area: children learn to compose music that ends up at the
Royal Albert hall and in the music section of the BBC. It is an amazing
achievement.
You,
Mr. Cook, and my right hon. Friend the Minister will
remember when we came into politics in Middlesbrough in 1981. You were
MP for Stockton, North, and my right hon. Friend became the MP for
Newcastle upon Tyne, East. Here in Middlesbrough between 1979 and 1981,
we lost 22,000 manufacturing jobs, a number that would have filled
Ayresome Park. As my hon. Friend the Member for Easington reminded us,
we had the coal and steel industries. We had two blast furnaces in
Redcar. We had shipbuilding, foundries and chemicals. We have seen the
transformation. If Mr. Gladstone came back today, what would
he see? He would see not only MIMA but a university in the heart of our
town. When I came to Middlesbrough in 1981, we could not get 6,000
students for the polytechnic. We now have 23,000 students, and the
university is up for a national prize organised by The
Times
Educational Supplement.
We see the
changes. The old Stockton race course is now a wonderful showcase. We
also have, of course, the Riverside football stadium, with a capacity
of 35,000 spectators. Attendance is down at the moment, I must admit,
but we had 18,000 at Ayresome Park. That shows what great pride we have
in ourselves.
We also have
an elected mayor. I never believed in the concept of an elected mayor.
It is not something that I supported. Elsewhere in the country, there
are elected mayors who are not particularly successful, but the elected
mayor of Middlesbrough, like the elected mayor of Hartlepool, has made
a great contribution to his town and economy. He has worked with the
council and Members of Parliament to develop a coherent strategy for
the town that enables us to advance while we deal with our crises. We
recognise, as my right hon. Friend the Minister said, that although the
recession did not begin in Middlesbrough or on Teesside, we must suffer
the consequences. By working together, we move forward. One lesson that
we have learned in the past seven years is that by working
together—the mayor of Middlesbrough, Members of Parliament and
the council—we add to our town. It is a great success
story.
I
will not make too long a speech. I have read the speeches that were
made when the second world war began in 1939, 70 years ago. The Prime
Minister announced the war in a two-minute speech. The Leader of the
Opposition supported it in a two-minute speech. Winston Churchill and
Lloyd George spoke for two minutes. Members of Parliament have made
some progress since that time, but I will not delay the proceedings, as
others wish to speak.
I end on
Redcar and Corus. As you will remember, Mr. Cook, in 1981,
you and I marched from Consett to Jarrow to protest against the closure
of Consett steel
mill. We will not make a similar walk again, but will work with my hon.
and learned Friend the Member for Redcar (Vera Baird), the Minister,
other Members of Parliament, the owners and the trade unions. We have
kept steel on Teesside for all these years. Steel production is
improving, as is the market, and we are still there. We will give our
heart and soul, and our time. Everything that can be done will be
done.
I
want a message of optimism to go out from this town hall to that area.
We are tired of reading about doom and gloom. We should begin with the
story of the school children because that is what we can achieve in our
area. The rubbish that we read and the controversial TV programmes
about how terrible we are and how bad everything is are wrong. We will
move forward, and I hope and believe that we will do so with a Labour
Government. The alternative is just too bad to think about. A recently
retired member of the Bank of England’s Monetary Policy
Committee said that if policy was changed too early, unemployment would
rise to 5 million, as the right hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed
mentioned. That would affect the people of Teesside and Middlesbrough,
those in the service industry and those in manufacturing. This is a
serious political game and we must win it in the interests of ordinary
people.
Several
hon. Members
rose
—
The
Chairman:
Order. There are 33 minutes remaining and four
Members are bidding for the
floor.
12.57
pm
Mr.
Mullin
:
May I say what a pleasure it is to be in a
Victorian town hall that has not been demolished? We made the mistake
of demolishing ours in 1970 and it has been regretted ever since. As
the right hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed said, such public
buildings reflect an age of confidence when this was a prosperous
region. Those who built the public buildings knew that and had a
statement to make. They built buildings that they knew would last for
centuries, whereas we build ones that will be knocked down in 30 years.
I hope that that trend is beginning to
change.
As
my hon. Friend the Member for Middlesbrough said, there is much doom
and gloom these days. I do not think that it is entirely justified. The
tabloid agenda—if I may summarise it as such—is that
everything is bad and getting worse, that all MPs are useless, that the
Government are useless, that nothing changes for the better and that
everybody is in it for what they can get out of it. However, like other
hon. Members I represent some of the poorest communities in the country
and the lives of my constituents have changed significantly for the
better in the last 10 or 12
years.
In
1997, there were people in Sunderland who earned £1 an hour.
There were not just one or two such people. It included workers in
paper mills, security guards and care workers. The minimum wage, which
is getting up to £6 an hour, and tax credits have made a big
difference to the lives of those people. In the mid-1990s in
Sunderland, one had to wait for two years for a hip operation at the
local hospital. I have no doubt that it was the same elsewhere. One can
now have such an operation within 18 weeks. As we know, a huge amount
has been invested in the health service nationally.
About 10 or 15
years ago, only 9 or 10 per cent. of the pupils at Sandhill View school
in my constituency were achieving five A to C grades at GCSE. Just one
tenth of the pupils were meeting that minimum standard. The school has
been entirely rebuilt. It has been put under completely new management.
It is a community school, so the buildings are not all shut up during
the holidays or when the school is not functioning. It is really part
of the community. And with exactly the same catchment area it now
scores near to 50 per cent., including maths. I can see that there is a
long way to go—everybody can see that—but, my goodness,
that is quite a large change. I would think that it is actually among
the biggest changes that have taken place anywhere in the country,
coming from such a low point as Sandhill View
did.
We
have suffered, like everybody else, the loss of a lot of our
traditional manufacturing industries—glass, shipbuilding, the
mines, a lot of engineering—and those things did not stop
closing just because a Labour Government were elected in 1997. We all
know that is a result of world forces that are beyond the control of
any Government, never mind any politician. But what we have been
successful at—I think this is true across the region and other
contributions today have reflected it—is diversifying our
economy, reinventing ourselves and making us actually less vulnerable
to the slings and arrows of fortune, particularly now in the current
recession. On the outskirts of my constituency is Doxford international
business park. Some 15 years ago it was an empty site: 7,500 people now
work there, all of them in industries or businesses that did not exist
in Sunderland, certainly, at that
time.
I
mention all those things and I could mention more, just to say that I
do not accept the line that everything is bad and getting
worse—and it needs to be challenged regularly. Anyone with eyes
to see can see the kinds of things that I have just talked about in
their own constituencies and throughout the region. I doubt whether
those changes for the better have occurred just in this region or just
in my constituency. I suspect that they are reflected across the
country. Although I do not attribute all of them, of course, to the
fact that there is a Labour Government, I do think that the fact that
we have had a Labour Government for the last 12 years has something to
do with
it.
We
have talked about future challenges here, and we all know that there
are plenty of them. Hon. Members have identified some of them and the
Minister, who made an excellent speech, has enumerated some, so I will
just touch on them. It seems to me that one of the ways forward for
this region is for it to make itself a leader in this country and
perhaps in Europe in renewable energy technology. Electric cars have
been mentioned. Thank God for Nissan, incidentally. When we were losing
all the mines, the shipyards and the engineering, up came Nissan and
demonstrated that you can set up a car plant using our work force,
which is as good as any in the world. We have heard a lot about the
British work force up to that time, and how they were not up to this or
that and about how everything was going to have to go somewhere else.
Actually, Nissan demonstrated that workers on Wearside and in the
north-east are as good and efficient as those anywhere in the world,
given the right management and the right investment, which certainly
has occurred with Nissan. That has made an enormous difference to the
area that I represent, not only because
of the 3,000 or 4,000 people employed at Nissan, but because of all the
spin-off industries as well. Now it looks as though there is a chance
that we can become a world leader with electric cars, and I welcome
that.
One
area that has not been touched on is waste disposal. I think that this
is one of the great challenges facing the human race over the 40 or 50
years. If you look at the booming economies of India and China, which
are growing by 8 per cent. or 10 per cent., where is all the waste
going to go? I saw an article in a newspaper that said plastic was
invented in 1909 and that every bit of plastic since that time, with
the exception of a small amount that may have been burned, is still in
existence today. Where is it all going? Where is it all going to go?
Where is this plastic cup or this bottle going to go when I have
finished drinking out of it? It is one of the greatest challenges that
we face. We cannot go on as we are. We have got to get a great deal
more sophisticated about how we live our lives, in the first
place—that is, switch to tap water—and about how we
dispose of the waste that has been generated and cannot be reduced.
Some high-tech solutions are going to be required. I am glad to say
that, although this region lags behind the country when it comes to
waste disposal—and this country lags behind the rest of western
Europe—we are making some progress now. Three local authorities
in my area—Sunderland, South Tyneside and, I think,
Gateshead—have got together to invest in new plant and high-tech
solutions. That is an area in which we have quite a big part to play if
we choose to go down that road.
The other area
on which we must spend a great deal of money and effort is education.
The Government have been doing that over the past 10 or 12 years. We
must have the skills that enable us to compete in the world. Most of
the rest of the world, and certainly east Asia, have worked out that
they must have such skills if they are to hold their own in the world.
Traditionally, we have lagged behind, but we have not done badly. We
have made education a great deal more practical so that young people
coming out of school have the kind of skills that are needed to connect
them up with industry. Moreover, we have universities linked to
industry. However, we must continue making big investments in education
if we are to hold our own in the
world.
Finally,
I want to flag up the issue of the growth in agency workers. Any
discussion about efficiency always seems to involve talk of laying off
people who have secure jobs and replacing them with people who have
insecure jobs. As a result, there is a class of people growing up in
this country—they are in all our constituencies—who have
no access to occupational pensions, sick pay, holiday pay, redundancy
pay or any of the little things that we have quaintly come to associate
with civilisation over the past hundred years and for which my party
has struggled. Suddenly, there is a class of people who do not qualify
for such benefits. It is a big and widening divide that needs to be
challenged.
I am concerned
about the kind of bidding war that is opening up on how much we can all
cut. That is the wrong debate. Obviously, we all know that, at the end
of the day, the Government must balance the books, but it should be
done in a sensible and non-hysterical way. I listened to that shameful
piece of opportunism by the Liberal Democrat leader who called for bold
and savage cuts. I do not wish to embarrass the right hon. Member
for Berwick-upon-Tweed, who, I suspect, is not as
signed up as his party leader to such cuts, but I think that the speech
was a cynical bid to attract the votes of the southern middle classes.
That is the kind of language that will get us all into trouble because
it drives the debate further forward in that direction and there will
be consequences, especially for a region such as this which is heavily
dependent on Government spending.
When I was
first elected in 1987, there were parts of my constituency in which all
civilised life had collapsed. Our job as Members of Parliament was to
evacuate people who could no longer bear to live in the streets and
estates in which the world of work had collapsed and in which there was
an epidemic of crime and yobbery. Such a situation arose as a result of
the bold and savage cuts that the incoming Government had made at the
beginning of the 1980s. A generation of youth grew up—and many
still cause us problems—who had no prospect of work, no skills
and no hope. Many of them went on to pass through the criminal justice
system, and we are, to some extent, still clearing up the mess in this
region and in other parts of the country. I hope that there will be no
repeat of that
folly.
In
the great depression in 1929, or whenever it started, one of the first
things that the Republican Government did was to make bold and savage
cuts. By doing that, they dug the pit a great deal deeper around the
world—not just in America—than it need have
been.
Sir
Alan Beith:
I hope that the hon. Gentleman recognises that
real reduction in expenditure never takes place if ring-fencing is in
place. If we are to ensure that money is saved on the right things, we
must examine every area of expenditure and make the cuts at the right
time.
Mr.
Mullin:
I recognise that. I know that painful decisions
have to be made and that Government have the responsibility to balance
the books. I am just a bit worried about the way the debate is going
now, because it appears to be driving us all headlong in that
direction, when I suspect that some calmer heads are required. The next
election will not be a beauty contest between Mr. Cameron
and Mr. Brown; it will be about the future of this country.
We are at a crossroads. If we go down the road of bold and savage cuts,
the future of this country will be determined for some time to come,
and eventually, no doubt, some new Labour Government will be elected
and will have to clear up the mess all over again. That will be for a
new generation of politicians, since I am retiring at the next
election, but I hope that we do not go
there.
Several
hon. Members
rose
—
The
Chairman:
Order. There are 20 minutes remaining, with
three Members
bidding.
1.11
pm
Mr.
Anderson
:
I fully associate myself with the
comments made by my hon. Friend the Member for Sunderland, South. I
come from that town and lived and worked in the Easington constituency
with my hon. Friend the Member for Easington. For some of us, the
discussion about recession is not academic, but real. We know
what it was like 20 years ago. That recession, and the one 30 years ago,
were deliberately engineered by a Government who believed that
unemployment was a price worth paying. It was a price that was paid not
by the Tory elites or the Old Etonians, but by the people who live in
this and other similar areas. We do not want to go back to that. That
is why despite the fact that the recession we are in at the moment is
global and not of our own making, I am glad that the attitude taken by
our Government has not been to sit back and leave the people alone, but
to intervene and do the right thing for the people of this
country.
It is not all
good news—quite clearly, it is not. In my own constituency, we
lost jobs at Virgin Media. We had a major job impact at the dairy in
Blaydon, and despite fantastic input from One NorthEast, the Secretary
of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, and from many trade
unions, we lost 300 jobs—a real blow to the area. There has
clearly been an impact in my constituency, on the financial sector and
the supply chain around the motor industry, and on small businesses
that have been desperately let down by the banks.
But there is
good news locally as well. The BAE factory in Birtley has secured a
contract to supply ammunitions to the MOD for 15 years. It has been so
successful that the factory will move from Birtley to the neighbouring
constituency in Washington, but that is a positive move in terms of
securing jobs and industry for this region. I have more good news,
which will please my hon. Friend the Member for Sunderland, South.
Graphite, which is moving into the waste disposal industry, has built a
state-of-the-art factory in the Tyne valley in Blaydon. It will deal
with over 350,000 tonnes of waste a year—100 per cent. goes in
at one end, and only 20 per cent. will come out the other. At
the moment—when it is up and running—80 per cent. will be
recycled. Discussions are going on with people in this part of the
world about converting the remaining 20 per cent. into fuel—a
win-win for everyone. It is a relatively small project in terms of what
we are talking about for the wider south-of-Tyne disposal, which may
well be placed in Gateshead, but it is clearly positive. It has
created 50 new jobs, and for some of those jobs, the people who
are running that factory have worked with the people who have lost
their jobs at the dairy to try to get them redeployed. That is a good
example of businesses working together in partnership with One
NorthEast to try to support
people.
Even
more important going forward is the great stuff that has been happening
at De La Rue plant in the Tyne valley. De La Rue has a long history in
printing bank notes. In the past year, it has increased its work force
by 80. Even better, it has won the contract for producing the new
passports for this country for the foreseeable future: a £400
million contract that will create 80 new jobs, with very high-tech,
high-skilled and highly paid work right in the heart of my
constituency.
I
take on board what my hon. Friend the Member for Sunderland, South
said. We should say to people who knock this area, the real moaning
Minnies, “Go and have a look. Open your eyes. Have a walk down
the quayside in Newcastle and in Gateshead and think what it was like
10 or 20 years ago. Go and have a look in places such as Merton and
Seaham.” Seaham is unrecognisable—the site that was Vane
Tempest colliery now has some of the best quality housing anywhere in
this country. We have the Seaham Hall hotel—it was beyond
anyone’s wildest dreams that something like that would ever be
in our constituencies. Those are tremendous things, in addition to the
reality of what we have to offer right across the region. I suggest to
the people who are here today, not just my colleagues, that they visit
some of those places. The journalists and broadcasters should go out
and have a look at what is going on in this
area.
I
wanted to speak about the work being done in the Regional Select
Committee. I will not go into detail of my hon. Friend the Member for
Stockton, South covered so admirably, but I want to mention NETPark and
NAREC—the new and renewable energy centre—and Alcan,
which is doing tremendous work not just in producing aluminium for the
world, but in developing carbon capture and storage. People should go
and see what is being done in those places. Nobody there is negative.
The people there face tough times and are in competition with the
world, but they are delivering quality. They are not sitting
back—they are getting stuck
in.
A
year ago, my hon. Friend the Member for Gateshead, East and Washington,
West and I met representatives of the association of councils about
what we could do to try to bring forward training facilities for people
working for Nissan. Working together with the Education Secretary of
State responsible for higher education, we were able to convince
Gateshead college and Nissan to work together with the Department and
they brought forward training opportunities. Unfortunately, that did
not change the fact that 1,200 people had to lose their jobs at Nissan,
but we made a visit to Nissan at the beginning of the summer recess and
were told that it has re-employed some of those people and the factory
is working flat out—and that is before we get the electric
vehicles. Its car production is at least one and a half times greater
than it had envisaged before the recession hit. It reckons that if the
recession had not hit, it would be producing three times more than had
been estimated. That is a success story of which we should all be very
proud.
I
also want to mention the work going on down at Wilton with NEPIC.
People face real problems, as my hon. Friend the Member for Stockton,
South highlighted, but they are not sitting back and moaning about it.
They might moan that they want more from the Government, and it is
right that they want that. It is the role of those of us here today to
try to secure it. We make no excuses about that, but the people down
there are committed to this
region.
I
will touch on Corus. I hope that there is no need for my solution,
because my solution would ultimately mean that more public money was
needed for the nationalisation of the steel industry. I hope that Tata
can deliver. I hope that it works together with the MPs, the work force
and other people to ensure the security of the steel industry, because
it is not just about this part of our region; it is about the whole of
the region, particularly if we are to be successful at developing the
technologies that will drive this place forward. If we are to build
7,000 offshore wind turbines, which has been committed to; if we are to
start developing the offshore coal industry again, which is being
piloted by Newcastle university; and if we are to develop CCS and have
hundreds of miles of pipe coming out of the North sea, we will need a
steel industry. Otherwise, we will end up
having to ship our steel halfway around the world, which would defeat
the purpose of having a CCS policy and a clean coal policy. We need to
think seriously about
that.
If
the talks at Corus fail and the reality is that the plant has to shut,
I would seriously say to the Minister that we want the Government to
intervene—to continue intervening. People on the street will
say, “Why shouldn’t you? You intervened to save the
banks.” A lot of people say, “We don’t know why
you did that.” I am quite clear that if we had not intervened,
we would not have had a banking system in this country, but the banking
system is still letting us down. If we ultimately have to intervene to
save the steel industry, we should do
that.
I
am very much looking forward to conducting the inquiry into tourism in
our area. We have a huge offer in terms of tourism, from Saltburn right
up the coast to Berwick—all the fantastic castles and
beaches—and inland, there are some of the best moors and dales
anywhere in the country. The work being done by One NorthEast in its
“Passionate People, Passionate Places” project has been
tremendous. This is one of the few tourist areas in the country that
has seen growth in the last year, but we could do better: we could
learn lessons from people in Northern Ireland, with its very troubled
history, where they have focused on maximising their offer in terms of
tourism. I suggest that it would do us good to talk to people there and
possibly consider the report that was done by our colleagues on the
Northern Ireland Committee a couple of years ago about how they
approached the work on
tourism.
The
role of One NorthEast has been vital. The Conservatives are clearly
going to do away with bodies such as One NorthEast; it is not very
clear what the Liberal Democrats would intend to do. I understand that
the leader wants to do away with them altogether. The shadow Chancellor
of the Exchequer says that we should keep some possibly, but not
others. Clearly, the leader of Newcastle council is committed to One
NorthEast, because he sits on the board, and he does a good job there.
The truth is that One NorthEast has been tremendous and letting it go
would be a huge mistake. The possibility of all this falling apart is
real. We have much more to argue for, but I never thought that I would
agree with the CBI, whose director general, Richard Lambert, was quoted
in The Observer over the weekend as saying, “Forgive
me”—I should have brought my glasses; no, he
didn’t say
that—
“for
sounding romantic…But we do have the capacity for a
manufacturing renaissance over the next few years, and if we
don’t grasp it, future generations will curse us one way or
another.”
We
have the chance in my constituency to build high-speed trains at Tyne
yard and there is the possibility of tapping into more than 3 billion
tonnes of coal off the North sea coast with the work of One NorthEast
and Newcastle university, but we really, really need to keep the
pressure on.
This is a
clear dividing line between us and our potential replacement in
Government. If, somewhere down the line—whether in nine months,
six months or many years’ time—we are replaced by the
Conservatives, make no mistake, they will not do the sort of things
that we have done. They do not believe in intervention; they do not
believe in investing in public services; and they do not believe in
helping those who cannot help themselves. Look at the history of what
they have done; we do not
need reminding of it, but we have to remind our people that the
Conservatives have not changed. We do not want to go back
there.
If
you do not believe that, I suggest that everyone in this room and
beyond look closely at the report mentioned by my hon. Friend the
Member for Tyne Bridge. The Taxpayers’ Alliance and the
Institute of Directors argue that they are not part of the Conservative
party, but their membership suggests that they are very close. We know
their friends by who they ride with. Along with the things that have
already been mentioned—again, I wish I had my
glasses—they want to reduce non-front-line staff in health and
schools by 10 per cent.; reduce the size of the civil service by 10 per
cent.; rationalise the framework of regional government and business
support; and cut 25 per cent. from the Department for Culture, Media
and Sport. If that happens, we can forget about the film studio in
Seaham, forget about bringing the Lindisfarne gospels back up here and
forget about the work going on around the
Olympics.
The
Taxpayers’ Alliance and the Institute of Directors also want a
one-year freeze on the grants from the Department for Communities and
Local Government to local and regional government. They also want
to
“simplify and
rationalise the skills system and the plethora of skills
programmes”
—in
other words, “Don’t help people who need
help”—and they want a one-year freeze of the basic state
pension and the minimum income guarantee. People need to realise that
voting for the Conservatives at the next general election will mean a
one-year pay freeze across the public sector and increased employee
contributions to all unfunded public sector pensions. Those working in
the public sector will have less pay because the Conservatives will
take more off them to pay for their pensions.
The
Taxpayers’ Alliance and Institute of Directors also want the
abolition of child benefit and the child trust fund, as well as a
further one-year pay freeze. We know what is in store for our country
if the people make the mistake of voting Conservative in the next few
months.
I
am massively proud of this region. We have so much to be proud of,
particularly the way we have worked so hard in the past decade to turn
things around after the despair that we all felt at the end of the
1990s. I believe that this region and this country are genuinely safe
in Labour’s hands, and that if the people of this country make
the mistake of voting Conservative, they will rue the
day.
The
Chairman:
We have only seven minutes
remaining.
1.24
pm
Vera
Baird (Redcar) (Lab): I was grateful for Ray
Mallon’s amiable welcome. I am glad to be in this wonderful town
hall and I welcome you—and your mobile phone—to the
Chair, Mr. Cook. I also compliment my right hon. Friend the
Minister for the North East on his leadership during his tenure of
office, and on his excellent speech this morning. I was proud to be
appointed, along with my hon. Friend the Member for City of
Durham—she would have had a great deal to say today
but has unfortunately been cut out by the time limit—an assistant
regional Minister at a time when an extra hand to the pump and another
eye on our industrial future were needed. Happily, I have two of
each.
The
right hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed is right: we must retain the
spending and the fiscal stimulus to see us through properly into the
upturn. My hon. Friend the Member for Blaydon is right, too: history
makes it very clear that the only people who will ensure that we get
our share of that spending in the north-east are a Labour
Government.
Redcar
steelworks has been geared to export since 2004. The internal structure
of Corus was such that it no longer wanted to take our steel from that
time on. So well did our excellent mill do that we obtained a 10-year
contract for a consortium of foreign purchasers to take everything that
we could make. Over the four years that the 10-year contract lasted, it
was not a steel mill, it was a gold mill for the purchasers. They made
an estimated £700 or £800 million—a considerable
profit—because we were able to price our work so competitively
that it was well below the market price on many occasions, and we stuck
with the contract notwithstanding that. Of course, if we had left the
contract, we could have sold at the market price, and that £700
or £800 million would have been our profit. Sadly, almost on the
day, it seemed, that our contract price rose and the market price
dropped, the consortium walked away. One can imagine the impact that
that had on Redcar and the surrounding area; one minute ships were
exporting steel as fast as they could and the next day, almost
literally, the room was empty and one could only have thrown the steel
in the sea.
Gone.
When
the market price was so low that we could not compete, almost all there
was to do was consult on closure and redundancy, but plan A had to be
getting the consortium back, if at all possible; the whole steel mill
was geared to supplying its needs. We tried. I went to Italy myself and
spoke to Mr. Marcegaglia. He gave me a large chunk of
parmesan cheese to bring back, but unfortunately did not give me the
steel contract that I had gone to get, which will be a matter for the
courts to sort out. However, he came back and talked to Corus. The
Corus workers and management are so flexible that they had been
pursuing other customers at the same time and the price started to go
up. I want to pay tribute to Jon Bolton, the excellent CEO at the mill,
and to Geoff Waterfield, who organised the union so
well. They fight their corners but co-operate when they need
to.
Happily,
the market price has gone up again and we have been able to bring our
costs down. There are synergies at that steel plant, which is what is
so good about it. It is flexible. One Chinese steel plant a week online
can be brought on line, as I understand is happening now, but it will
not have the engineering experience and good labour relations to offer
what we can offer. Make no mistake, our steelworks is capable, in most
situations, of being profitable. Corus internal orders sustained us
after the consortium left, and we are grateful to Corus and Tata, who
have made clear, by that action alone, how much they are behind the
plant. We have export orders again. We are in the competitive price
range and have export orders from a group of mostly Asian purchasers,
all of whom are interested in perhaps bidding to buy the plant, as the
first consortium were. Obviously, cost is absolutely
critical.
The Government
have contributed £5 million for training. I expect the local
Labour council to cut the business rates or to defer them for many
months imminently. We have written, as local MPs, to ask for, and have
got, public procurement in construction advanced so that steel can be
bought internally as well. It is clear that we have to compete, which
we can do because of the steadying price and other capacities coming on
stream in Europe. We are still in a highly competitive position. We are
not necessarily over the hump, but we feel positive and I want to give
that message.
The loss of
the consortium was a shock and a lesson in not putting all one’s
eggs in one basket; we do not do that in Redcar, we have the Wilton
Group as well. That is another story, which there is not time to tell,
but it is not a hopeless case either. We realised, looking at the steel
industry, that we were not diverse enough, although the north-east
economy is more diverse than it used to be. We have a lot of things on
stream that will help in future. Cyclical as the chemical and steel
industries are—not usually as dramatically as now—they
can be buttressed by other things. Biomass and carbon capture and
storage power stations are proposed. There is a proposal to use some of
the last riverfront land to de-engineer oil rigs. That would be 30
years of skilled work for our people. There is a plan for a heavy oil
upgrader, which would take the non-commercial dark dirty oil out of the
North sea oil wells and refine it to
become bubbling gold. There is third-party business now at the steel
wharf, and there is the Ensus biofuels plan, which my hon. Friend the
Member for Stockton, South has referred to. There is a low-density
polyethylene plant—that is a long set of words—which will
soon come on and buttress the cracker, which is the biggest chemical
plant at Wilton. Also, with luck, presently there will be a recycling
plant.
What
is going to get us through this is all the investment, with the Labour
Government, industrialists, management, unions, the local newspaper and
the Save our Steel campaign all working together. We will come through.
We were the seat of the first industrial revolution, and it is
north-eastern people who made that a great success. We will come
through this crisis. We will succeed, and it will be the flexibility,
resilience and calibre of the north-eastern people, whom we are all
proud to serve, that will ensure that we come
through.
Hon.
Members:
Hear,
hear.
Question
put and agreed
to.
Resolved,
That
the Committee has considered the matter of the regional economy:
tackling the
recession.
1.30
pm
Committee
adjourned.