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Sarah McCarthy-Fry: The effect of the hon. Gentleman’s amendment would be to extend the remit of the QCDA beyond that of its predecessor, the QCA, to include matters relating to curriculum and assessment arrangements in academies. As hon. Members know, academies differ from other state-funded schools in their regulatory framework through funding agreements rather than legislation, which brings with it the freedom to adopt innovative approaches to raising standards. Academies also differ because of the involvement of independent sponsors. Those differences are fundamental to the academies programme and must be preserved. The autonomy of academies has been a key feature of their success, and we know that academy principals and sponsors take seriously any proposals that could lead to the erosion of their independence.
Mr. Laws: Will the Minister explain why the freedoms to innovate in relation to the curriculum, which I welcome, are denied to other maintained schools—including high-performing maintained schools?
Sarah McCarthy-Fry: The reason is that, in general, academies are in areas that have had significant difficulties and are deprived. Those freedoms should operate in that way to enable children who are not reaching the required standards to do so.
Mr. Laws: Perhaps I will try another approach. Would she consider giving those same freedoms to other schools in challenging areas with poor results that have good leadership?
Sarah McCarthy-Fry: A feature of our policy is that we have a range of different methods by which we are improving education throughout the country. Academies are just one way of doing that and we are committed to extending our academies programme. However, we are not saying that we should have academies across the entire school estate.
Our general policy has been to avoid placing requirements on academies through legislation unless academy involvement has been essential to make the proposed arrangements work properly. We will be coming to clauses later that relate to that. In the case of the children’s trust, academies should be given the opportunity to represent the interests of their pupils.
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Academies are required to teach a broad and balanced curriculum and to teach the programmes of study in the core subjects of the national curriculum. Beyond those requirements, we are keen to allow them the freedom to develop a curriculum that is driven by the needs of their pupils in the circumstances in which their pupils find themselves. We do not believe that it will help academies, which generally speaking are our schools facing the most challenging circumstances, to impose a greater curriculum and assessment requirement on them.
Mr. Laws: It may not surprise hon. Members to hear that I found the Minister’s response totally and utterly unconvincing. It is completely dotty to deny to high-performing maintained schools the freedoms that academies enjoy over the curriculum. What possible reason can there be for denying the top maintained schools the freedoms to innovate in the curriculum when we give them to some of the most challenging schools throughout the country, many of which are listed among the national challenge schools, and some of which have weak leadership and cause great concern to the Department? At least there would be some consistency and rationality in Government policy if those freedoms to innovate, which the Government appear to argue are important to enabling schools in challenging circumstances to do better, were extended to other schools in challenging circumstances which do not happen to be academies.
For example, the Phoenix school in west London has one of the most challenging intakes anywhere in the country, was one of the most poorly performing maintained schools 10 or 15 years ago, was very nearly closed, and had police officers in and out every day because of disorder problems, and huge numbers of supply and temporary teachers because of other problems. How can it be right to extend curricular freedoms to academies in such challenging circumstances but not to maintained schools in the same circumstances?
Such curricular freedoms should be available to all schools, perhaps excepting those that are in special measures or have particular deficiencies in leadership. However, there is no justification whatever for the policy that the Minister has just set out, and there is no coherent reason for the Government’s position, which is entirely arbitrary and unjustifiable. If those powers to innovate in the curriculum really are as important as the Minister implied by the fact that they have been given only to academies in such circumstances, surely they should be available to all schools.
I did not suggest, as the Minister also implied, that academies be rolled out throughout the entire school estate; all I suggested was that the powers to innovate in the curriculum be available consistently to every single school. She should be embarrassed to come to this place and put before the Committee views that have such weak grounding in any argument and on any statistical basis. Although we do not wish to extend onerous responsibilities to every school in the country, the only way in which we can signal our dissatisfaction with the lack of logic in the Government’s policy is to ask for a Division on amendment 147.
Question put, That the amendment be made.
The Committee divided: Ayes 2, Noes 12.
Division No. 36]
AYES
Brooke, Annette
Laws, Mr. David
NOES
Butler, Ms Dawn
Creagh, Mary
Ennis, Jeff
Gibb, Mr. Nick
Hodgson, Mrs. Sharon
Knight, rh Jim
McCarthy-Fry, Sarah
Miller, Mrs. Maria
Simon, Mr. Siôn
Thornberry, Emily
Wiggin, Bill
Question accordingly negatived.
Clause 182 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 165 and 183 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Schedule 12

Ofqual and the QCDA: minor and consequential amendments
Sarah McCarthy-Fry: I beg to move amendment 501, in schedule 12, page 202, line 7, at end insert—
‘Local Authorities (Goods and Services) Act 1970 (c. 39)
(1) Subject to sub-paragraph (2), in the Local Authorities (Goods and Services) Act 1970 (supply of goods and services by local authorities to public bodies) “public body” includes the Qualifications and Curriculum Development Agency.
(2) The provision in sub-paragraph (1) has effect as if made by an order made by the Secretary of State under section 1(5) of that Act (power to provide that a person is to be a public body for the purposes of the Act) and accordingly may be varied or revoked by such an order.’.
This amendment provides that the QCDA is to be a public body for the purposes of the 1970 Act. It replaces a similar provision for the Qualifications and Curriculum Authority in the Education Act 1997 (which is repeated by amendment 514).
The Chairman: With this it will be convenient to discuss Government amendments 502, 513 to 517 and 496.
Sarah McCarthy-Fry: Amendments 501, 502 and 513 to 516 will update other statutes to reflect the renaming of the QCA and the setting up of Ofqual. In amendment 502 on the provision of information by maintained schools in relation to qualifications, there is a further change to align the provisions with Government policy on the public funding of qualifications for under-19s. Amendment 517 will repeal provisions in the Education Act 2002, which is consequential on the repeal by this Bill of provisions of the Education Act 1997 relating to the QCA. Amendment 496 is consequent on amendment 502 and will allow Welsh Ministers to commence the amendment to section 408(2)(e) of the Education Act 1996 in relation to Wales on an appointed day. I hope that hon. Members will agree to the amendments.
Amendment 501 agreed to.
Amendments made: 502, in schedule 12, page 202, line 38, at end insert—
‘Education Act 1996 (c. 56)
7A The Education Act 1996 is amended as follows.
7B In section 391(10) (functions of advisory councils) in paragraph (a) for “Qualifications and Curriculum Authority” substitute “Qualifications and Curriculum Development Agency”.
7C (1) Section 408 (provision of information) is amended as follows.
(2) In subsection (1)(a) after “2002” insert “or the provisions of Parts 7 and 8 of the Apprenticeships, Skills, Children and Learning Act 2009”.
(3) In subsection (2)(e)—
(a) for “external” substitute “relevant”;
(b) after “2000)” insert “which are approved under section 98 or 99 of that Act”.’.
This amendment makes changes to the Education Act 1996 in consequence of the provisions in the Bill about the QCDA and the amendments to the Learning and Skills Act 200/ It also limits the duty under section 408 to those qualifications that have been approved for public funding.
503, in schedule 12, page 203, leave out lines 39 to 44 and insert—
‘(g) in respect of relevant qualifications which are subject to that requirement, to develop and publish criteria for the accreditation of particular forms of any such qualifications;
(h) where a relevant qualification is subject to that requirement, to accredit a particular form of the qualification which meets such criteria and is submitted for accreditation by a person recognised under paragraph (e) in respect of the qualification;’.—(Sarah McCarthy-Fry.)
This amendment provides for the Welsh Ministers to develop criteria for the accreditations of, and to accredit, different forms of a qualification in respect of which the Welsh Ministers have made a determination under section 30(1)(f) of the Education Act 1997 (as inserted by the Bill).
Sarah McCarthy-Fry: I beg to move amendment 504, in schedule 12, page 204, line 16, leave out ‘section’ and insert ‘Chapter’.
This amendment is consequential on amendment 507.
The Chairman: With this it will be convenient to discuss Government amendments 507, 510 and 511.
Sarah McCarthy-Fry: The amendments are designed to ensure that there is a consistent approach to qualification regulation and development across England, Wales and Northern Ireland, which allows each country to ensure its interests and those of the learner are appropriately safeguarded while retaining the three country qualifications framework. I hope that the Committee will agree to the amendments.
Mr. Laws: I think that we are dealing with amendment 510 in this group. I know that you will correct me if I am wrong, Mr. Chope. Will the Minister explain why the provision that will be removed by amendment 510 is unnecessary?
Sarah McCarthy-Fry: The provision is unnecessary because all decisions made in the name of Welsh Ministers are treated as being decisions by them.
Amendment 504 agreed to.
Amendments made: 505, in schedule 12, page 204, line 25, leave out ‘or will’ and insert
‘, will be or may reasonably be expected to’.
See Member’s explanatory statement for amendment 436.
Amendment 506, in schedule 12, page 204, line 27, leave out ‘32B’ and insert ‘32C’.
This amendment is consequent on amendment 512.
Amendment 507, in schedule 12, page 205, line 19, at end insert—
‘After section 32 insert—
“32ZA Qualifications functions of Welsh Ministers: co-operation and joint working etc.
(1) The Welsh Ministers may co-operate or work jointly with a relevant authority where it is appropriate to do so in connection with the carrying out of any of their qualifications functions.
(2) The Welsh Ministers may provide information to a relevant authority for the purpose of enabling or facilitating the carrying out of a relevant function of the authority.
(3) Subject to subsection (4), the Welsh Ministers and any other relevant authority may establish a committee jointly, and any committee so established may establish sub-committees.
(a) a vacancy, or
(b) a defective appointment.
(9) The Welsh Ministers may delegate any of their qualifications functions to a joint committee to the extent and on the terms that they determine.
(10) A joint committee may delegate any of its functions to a sub-committee established by it to the extent and on the terms that the joint committee determines.
(11) The powers of a joint committee under subsection (10) are subject to the power of the Welsh Ministers and any other person with whom they established the joint committee to direct (acting jointly) what the committee may and may not do.
(12) Nothing in subsection (2)—
(a) affects any power to disclose information that exists apart from that subsection, or
(b) authorises the disclosure of information in contravention of any provision made by or under any Act which prevents disclosure of the information.
(13) In this section—
“qualifications functions” means functions in connection with relevant qualifications;
“relevant authority” means any person who carries out a function (whether or not in the United Kingdom) which is similar to any of the qualifications functions of the Welsh Ministers;
“relevant function” means a function which is similar to any of the qualifications functions of the Welsh Ministers.”’.
This new section for the Education Act 1997 allows the Welsh Ministers to co-operation, work jointly and form joint committees with other relevant authorities whose functions are similar to any of the qualifications functions of the Welsh Ministers (for example, Ofqual).
Amendment 508, in schedule 12, page 205, line 26, leave out ‘section 32B’ and insert ‘sections 32B and 32C’.
This amendment is consequent on amendment 512.
Amendment 509, in schedule 12, page 205, line 42, at end insert ‘awarded or authenticated by the person’.
This is a technical amendment. See Member’s explanatory statement for amendment 482.
Amendment 511, in schedule 12, page 206, line 38, leave out ‘that decision’ and insert ‘the decision on review’.
This amendment is consequent on amendment 510.
Amendment 512, in schedule 12, page 206, line 39, at end insert—
‘32C Surrender of recognition
(1) A recognised person may give notice to the Welsh Ministers that the person wishes to cease to be recognised in respect of the award or authentication of a specified qualification or description of qualification.
Amendment 513, in schedule 12, page 206, line 39, at end insert—
‘In section 35(1) (transfer of staff) at the end insert “, known instead as the Qualifications and Curriculum Development Agency from the day on which section 166 of the Apprenticeships, Skills, Children and Learning Act 2009 comes into force”.’.
This amendment makes a change to section 35 of the Education Act 1997 (which made provision for the transfer of staff to the Qualifications and Curriculum Authority (QCA) when it was established) to reflect the QCA’s change of name.
Amendment 514, in schedule 12, page 207, line 6, at end insert—
‘In Schedule 7 (minor and consequential amendments) omit paragraph 2.’.
See Member’s explanatory statement for amendment 501.
Amendment 515, in schedule 12, page 212, line 13, at end insert—
‘Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006 (c. 47)
In section 21(10) of the Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006 (controlled activity relating to children) in paragraph (d) for “Qualifications and Curriculum Authority” substitute “Qualifications and Curriculum Development Agency”.’.—(Sarah McCarthy-Fry.)
This amendment changes the reference to the Qualifications and Curriculum Authority (QCA) in the Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006 to reflect the QCA’s new name.
Schedule 12, as amended, agreed to.
 
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