The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Mr. Graham
Brady
Cohen,
Harry
(Leyton and Wanstead)
(Lab)
Crabb,
Mr. Stephen
(Preseli Pembrokeshire)
(Con)
Curtis-Thomas,
Mrs. Claire
(Crosby)
(Lab)
Flint,
Caroline
(Don Valley)
(Lab)
Foster,
Mr. Michael
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for
International
Development)
George,
Mr. Bruce
(Walsall, South)
(Lab)
Havard,
Mr. Dai
(Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney)
(Lab)
Iddon,
Dr. Brian
(Bolton, South-East)
(Lab)
Lancaster,
Mr. Mark
(North-East Milton Keynes)
(Con)
McCarthy,
Kerry
(Bristol, East)
(Lab)
Meale,
Mr. Alan
(Mansfield)
(Lab)
Moore,
Mr. Michael
(Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk)
(LD)
Swinson,
Jo
(East Dunbartonshire)
(LD)
Tyrie,
Mr. Andrew
(Chichester)
(Con)
Walter,
Mr. Robert
(North Dorset)
(Con)
Yeo,
Mr. Tim
(South Suffolk)
(Con)
Mark Etherton, Committee
Clerk
attended the
Committee
Third
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Monday 11
January
2010
[Mr.
Graham Brady in the
Chair]
Draft
Asian Development Bank (Further Payments to Capital Stock) Order
2009
4.30
pm
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for International Development
(Mr. Michael Foster): I beg to
move,
That the
Committee has considered the draft Asian Development Bank (Further
Payments to Capital Stock) Order 2009.
It is a
pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Brady. I
understand that this is your first Statutory Instrument Committee in
this capacity, so I am delighted that you are chairing the proceedings.
From our side, I promise that we will be orderly in our behaviour this
afternoon.
Today
I ask the Committee to consider a draft order covering the United
Kingdoms proposed contribution to the fifth general capital
increase of the Asian Development Bank. The Asia-Pacific region has
achieved rapid economic growth in recent years, but as the Asian
Development Banks figures show, it is still home to some 64 per
cent. of the worlds population who live on less than the
international poverty line indicator of $1.25 a day. Many countries in
the region still lag behind in key millennium development goal sectors,
such as health and education. In addition, the global economic crisis
has undermined the trend of poverty reduction in the region. Over 60
million people have been kept in poverty because of the crisis. While
there are already some positive signs of revival, it will take some
time to recover, which has major consequences for the poor and
vulnerable.
The
Asian Development Bank has made a significant contribution to tackling
poverty. At the end of the last decade, the bank adopted poverty
reduction as a key goal and put the millennium development goal at the
centre of its work. The banks Strategy 2020,
launched in 2008, recognised the huge gains from the economic growth of
the last few years and refocused efforts on continuing development
challenges and poverty reduction. It identified equitable and
sustainable economic growth, climate change, fragile states, regional
integration and gender as its priorities. It also clearly set out
internal policies and management changes needed to address
them.
Last
year, Parliament approved the United Kingdoms contribution to
the replenishment of the Asian development fund, which provides grants
and concessionary lending to the poorest countries. Today, we debate
our contribution to the banks ordinary capital resource, which
is used to provide lending at near-market rates to both lower and
middle-income countries and for poverty-focused private sector
operations. The general capital increase strengthens the banks
ability to finance such developments, and this is the first capital
increase in 15 years.
Ordinary
capital resource lending is one way to reach the poorest in many
countries across Asia and the Pacific. Countries such as India,
Bangladesh and Vietnam are major OCR borrowers. The key to regional and
global development over the medium to longer term will be how quickly
and how well those countries manage challenges such as poverty
reduction, inclusive growth, clean energy production and productive
employment.
The
need for a capital increase to respond to the growing demand for
investment and development in borrowing countries was evident well
before the economic crisis. The capital investments needed to meet the
economic, social, environmental and climate change challenges remain
huge. That said, the bank has responded well to the crisis, but it has
required additional and immediate financial support, and has used up
its existing ordinary capital resource more quickly. The bank is
lending an additional $15 billion in 2009-10 as a response to the
crisis.
In
March 2009, the G20 Finance Ministers supported the proposal for the
Asian Development Bank to triple its capital base from $55 billion to
$165 billion. The UK has a shareholding of just over 2 per cent., and
the UKs additional shares will involve a payment of
$69.7 million and a contingent liability of $1.67 billion.
The paid-in amount is covered by the order, and the contingent
liability was covered by a separate departmental minute to Parliament
laid last November. The general capital increase will give the bank
much needed resources to respond to the global economic crisis and to
the longer term development needs of Asia and the Pacific. With new
finance in place, the bank will be able to make further progress on
implementing Strategy 2020 and increase its role and
capacity to serve as a key development partner in the
region.
As
well as achieving a sounder financial footing for the future, the bank
needs to be an even more effective development institution. We are
supporting internal reform programmes, and we have worked with other
shareholders to help the bank improve its focus, especially on
infrastructure, regional integration and climate change. Above all, we
want the Asian Development Bank to focus increasingly on poverty in
both the poorest countries in Asia and the Pacific, and in
middle-income countries. We want to ensure that its private sector
investments will lead to poverty
reduction.
In
conclusion, we want the bank to increase its contribution to the
development effort in the region and we believe that the general
capital increase will enable it to take steps towards achieving that. I
commend the order to the
Committee.
4.35
pm
Mr.
Mark Lancaster (North-East Milton Keynes) (Con): It is a
pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Brady. I am
sure that I will be easy to keep in
order.
The
order is the latest in a series of statutory instruments regarding our
regional banks. As the Minister highlighted, it is, of course, slightly
different because, rather than simply replenishing the concessionary
fund for the bank, we are actively looking at increasing the capital
share. We support many of the principles that he outlined, not least
because of the banks work in the region, but it was late on in
his comments that he actually highlighted the incredibly large sum for
which the United Kingdom
would potentially be liablesome $1,673,726,180.50. That deserves
a small amount of scrutiny rather than simply glossing over
it.
Yes,
initially the 4 per cent. that would be required to be paid is some $70
million, but potentially the liability is massive, and I would like to
have confidence that plans have been put in place should that liability
be called. Indeed, I was slightly concerned that the Government, in
paragraph 7.8 of the explanatory memorandum, almost dismissed the
potential of the liability by
saying,
The
risk associated with the GCI is that the UK will be asked to pay for
the callable shares of $1.67bn. Although the AsDB has the right to call
for payment for these shares if there is a crisis affecting the
Banks assets or loans, this has not occurred in relation to
existing callable shares and given that the Bank has a AAA credit
rating, it is very unlikely to occur in
practice.
May
I draw the attention of members of the Committee to what has actually
happened in the world and in the UK during recent months? About how
many banks would a similar statement have been made three or four years
ago, offering no potential concerns about having to call in such an
amount? Yet, despite what has happened in recent months, we have such a
statement. I am concerned about that, and I hope that when the Minister
comes to reply to my questions he will explain in some detail what will
happen should the money be required. I am sure that all
members of the Committee agree that we need to have such
answers.
How
confident is the Minister that such an outcome will not happen? Does he
really agree with his statement, given what has happened in the UK and
elsewhere over the past few years? Has the Department put in place a
contingency plan in case the bank calls in the remaining $1.6 billion?
If so, will the hon. Gentleman outline the plan? Will some areas of the
current spending plan face reductions if we had to make the payment?
From where would the money come? Would it come from the Treasury? Would
the Treasury expect the Department to find the money? What negotiations
have taken place? What is the plan? The Minister put absolutely no meat
on the bone in his opening
statement.
If
the bank were to call in the remaining $1.67 billion, the
payment would have to be passed by the House. What legal requirements
are the British Government under to pay the remaining money if, for
example, a future vote in the House was no? What will happen then? At
the G20 London summit in April last year, it was agreed that all
stakeholders would double their shares as, indeed, the UK is planning
to do. Can the hon. Gentleman confirm that that is still the case, and
that all countries have passed similar statutory instruments to the one
that we are discussing or whatever they have to do in their
Parliaments? If they have not, how will the extra money be
found?
Is
the decision to pay 4 per cent. now and to hold 96 per cent. on a
callable binding the same for all those nations that are increasing
their shares? If not, how does the procedure vary between countries?
What percentage of the OCR lending is directed towards the
middle-income countries, perhaps in line with the 09-10
priority of the Department for International Development? What
percentage of the capital raised by selling the additional shares will
be spent on environmental projects in line with the banks
updated energy policy? Will the Minister confirm that no new money will
be spent on
fossil fuel projects? Finally, what evaluation mechanisms are in place
to guarantee that the private companies benefiting from OCR lending
will actually benefit the poorest people, in line with DFIDs
policy?
4.40
pm
Jo
Swinson (East Dunbartonshire) (LD): I am delighted to
serve under your first chairmanship of a Statutory Instrument
Committee, Mr. Brady, which I am sure will be the first of
many such happy occasions.
I welcome the
Minister setting out the reasons for the order. Clearly, the global
recession has had a huge impact here in the UK. However, the effect in
developing countries has been even more severe, with 100 million people
forced back into extreme poverty which, as the Minister mentioned, is
less than $1.25 a day. Even before the global recession, the
international community, particularly the G8, had failed to deliver on
its promises to developing countries about AIDS. I would be grateful if
the Minister set out what work his Department is doing to ensure that
the G8 fulfil its pledge of an increase in international aid.
In the follow
up to the G20 last September, the Prime Minister identified both the
strengths and weaknesses of development banks. He pointed out that the
banks have only very limited flexibility to respond to a shock. My hon.
Friend the Member for Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk has previously
argued that the four-yearly replenishment rate, which forms the basis
of how development banks are run, is not swift enough to deal with the
sorts of problems that we have seen emerging from these crises and
might see again. For that reason, we welcome this kind of flexible
payment beyond the initial subscription in this case. However, I would
be interested to hear the Ministers response to the questions
from the hon. Member for North-East Milton Keynes, because clearly the
liability that the UK could be underunlikely as it may
bedeserves scrutiny and proper answers in this House.
Finally, as
with all measures of this type, I would very much like to hear the
Ministers comments on how his Department will work with the
bank to ensure that the money is spent in an accountable and effective
manner. Our constituents are being asked to see their tax money spent
overseas at a time of economic hardship at home. Although we all
recognise the importance of assistance to poorer parts of the world,
especially in times of economic hardship, it is of course much easier
to justify such payments when there is clear accountability and
transparency in the provision of the assistance. However, with some
reassurance from the Minister on those matters, I am very pleased to
say that we would be happy to support the
order.
4.42
pm
Harry
Cohen (Leyton and Wanstead) (Lab): May I ask the Minister
as couple of very brief questions? In the explanatory memorandum it
says:
OCR
is used to lend around $8 billion per annum at near market rates,
mainly to Asias middle-income countries. It also funds private
sector operations in poor countries.
Why are they at
near-market rates? Why are they not at preferential rates, particularly
for poorer countries? Is the increase in funds going to those
middle-income countries, with less actually going to the poorer
countries?
I am remindedI should have more knowledge of thisthat
there was a Nobel prize winner, I think from Bangladesh, who came up
with projects for small capital programmes going to people. Will the
bank invest in those sorts of projects in that way, because they seem
to be important? Will it have the expertise to manage such a wide
variety of different programmes? The EU had a programme on development
aid at one point, which was about everything but arms. Should not
something similar apply here? There should be a boost from the bank to
all sorts of development of a peaceful nature that should not really go
to arms
manufacturers.
4.44
pm
Mr.
Bruce George (Walsall, South) (Lab): I am not going to
cause a great deal of trouble, but I have some questions. It would be a
waste of an afternoon if we did not find something. I do not have any
ideological reason to be critical, although I suspect a little hint of
dislike of the fact, although perhaps I am being unfair to the hon.
Member for North-East Milton Keynes, that we are participating as a
country that is indebtedas he might say, but did not say.
Through our aid programme and other programmes, we are helping
countries that did not start the crisis, and we are helping them, to an
extent, to overcome problems in a way that they may not have the
capacity to do. We are maintaining our aid budget, and in many ways
increasing it. I hope that the opinion of the Committee is
consensualI suspect it will be. We will have to face down some
of our constituents who may not see international relations in the same
way. I have no guilt whatever; we are doing a good job, and DFID is
doing a very good
job.
I
have a couple of questions, following on from something that the hon.
Member for East Dunbartonshire said. Anybody observing the scene would
say that some of the countries that we are assistinglending
tohave dodgy records when it comes to dealing with their own
money, and worse, as far as we are concerned, with money that goes to
them from a whole variety of legal and illegal sources. Perhaps the
Minister will give me a fuller answer later, or direct me to a fuller
answer, to this question. There is a committee inside the ADB that
considers integrity issues, but we know that international
organisations are not too good when it comes to ensuring that the money
that comes from European Union taxpayers incomes is spent as
anticipated and as wished, and that the choice to give the money has
been the result of serious examination. I cite but two of those
organisations: the United Nations and, running a close second, the
European Union. When it comes to the Asian Development Bank we are one
cog in a large wheel and therefore do not run the show. Although we are
a significant contributor, we are not one of the absolutely major ones,
and we are not a substantial power in Asia any more. My first question,
therefore, for eventual answer, is how good are the Ministers
Department and Her Majestys Government, as one of a number of
players in a large structure, at ensuring that the choice of loan is
correct, and that the money is paid back, if that is demanded? How good
are the British Government and the Asian Development Bank at ensuring
that the choice is right and, importantly, that the money does not
drift away from projects, which is possible?
Closely linked
to that is the fact that the report of the wonderful International
Development Committee talks about conditionality in relation to the
World Bank. DFID is good at ensuring conditionality in its own lending
and aid programmes. Perhaps I shall introduce the Minister to a word he
does not read much about in his own publications: democracy. He may not
knowI remind any Minister from DFID that I come
acrossthat the only reference to democracy in the very large
book published by his Department every year is Democratic
Republic of Congo. Minutes ago, I met a delegation from the
Democratic Republic of Congo, and one of the other DFID Ministers is
now going through the same process. Is DFID good at ensuring high
standards of ethics in its internal and external budgetary process? It
was stated in an International Development Committee report that
ActionAida reputable
organisationsaid:
The
World Banks policy on conditionality...falls short of that
of
DFID.
Is
that right? If it is not right, what standards do we impose on the ADB
to ensure that our scarce money is properly spent?
My next
question is about conditionality. I do not argue that I am the finest
exponent of womens rights but I am pretty good, for a man. The
World Banks gender action plan is entitled Gender
Equality as Smart Economics. Are any standards imposed? I know
that if everybody imposes their own standards on any international
organisation, decision making becomes really complicated. We know what
the ADB says its standards are when making a decision, but does it
stick to them?
Lastly and
very quickly: how good is aid effectiveness? I have read the annual
report of the Asian Development Bank saying how effective it is. Does
the Ministers Department believe it? Does the bank have enough
people working to ensure that the rhetoric extends into the reality of
aid effectiveness? If standards are not met, will the Minister let me
know on what occasions?
Article 41 of
the Asian Development Banks founding document is entitled
Withdrawal and suspension of members, temporary suspension and
termination of operations of the bank. My next question might
be a googly or a fast one down towards middle wicket, and if the
Minister cannot tell me straight away, that is fine. Can he or his
civil servants recall any occasions when the ADB has withdrawn funding,
or wiped off the slate the right of a country to request and receive
assistance on the basis of some misdemeanours? Those might be little
things such as corruption or the kind of things that people who may not
be too keen on overseas development would look at very carefully. They
may tolerate the processthere is pretty substantial support for
the process of developmentbut some people may say, I
will tolerate it if you will guarantee that at least the money we are
putting into the Government and DFID through taxation is wisely
spent. It is not spent by us in this casealthough it is
in a way, as we are providing the initial money. But are those
receiving itthe ADBspending it properly and
efficiently?
4.53
pm
Dr.
Brian Iddon (Bolton, South-East) (Lab): I have a quick
question. The order mentions £1.67 billion-worth of callable
shares. Do we have any outstanding callable
shares from previous transactions with the bank? If so, to what extent
does that call on the British Government, should the bank default? A
possible rider to that question is: have we had a call on callable
shares in the past or is that a pretty extreme
measure?
4.54
pm