The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Mrs.
Joan Humble
Ainger,
Nick
(Carmarthen, West and South Pembrokeshire)
(Lab)
Bellingham,
Mr. Henry
(North-West Norfolk)
(Con)
Borrow,
Mr. David S.
(South Ribble)
(Lab)
Brooke,
Annette
(Mid-Dorset and North Poole)
(LD)
Clarke,
Mr. Tom
(Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill)
(Lab)
Dobbin,
Jim
(Heywood and Middleton)
(Lab/Co-op)
Hall,
Mr. Mike
(Weaver Vale)
(Lab)
Hill,
Keith
(Streatham)
(Lab)
Howarth,
David
(Cambridge)
(LD)
Jones,
Helen
(Vice-Chamberlain of Her Majesty's
Household)
Moss,
Mr. Malcolm
(North-East Cambridgeshire)
(Con)
Prentice,
Bridget
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for
Justice)
Pritchard,
Mark
(The Wrekin)
(Con)
Swire,
Mr. Hugo
(East Devon)
(Con)
Wood,
Mike
(Batley and Spen)
(Lab)
Wright,
Jeremy
(Rugby and Kenilworth)
(Con)
Eliot Barrass, Committee
Clerk
attended the
Committee
Seventh
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Tuesday 8
December
2009
[Mrs.
Joan Humble in the
Chair]
Draft
European Communities (Definition of Treaties) (1996 Hague Convention on
Protection of Children etc.) Order
2009
4.30
pm
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Justice (Bridget
Prentice): I beg to
move,
That
the Committee has considered the draft European Communities (Definition
of Treaties) (1996 Hague Convention on Protection of Children etc.)
Order
2009.
It
is always a delight to serve under your chairmanship, Mrs.
Humble, particularly on this issue, as you are very interested in
it.
The
1996 Hague convention on the protection of children applies between
contracting states across the world. It establishes uniform rules on
jurisdiction, the choice of law and the recognition and enforcement of
judgments in relation to measures for the protection of children. We
believe that the convention will improve outcomes where orders are made
for the better protection of children. That is why we are in favour of
ratification.
The
draft order declares that the 1996 Hague convention on jurisdiction,
applicable law, recognition, enforcement and co-operation in respect of
parental responsibility and measures for the protection of children is
to be regarded as a Community treaty as defined in section
1(2) of the European Communities Act 1972. Section 2(2) of
that Act provides that an international agreement specified as a
Community treaty may be implemented by
regulations.
The
1996 convention can be specified, because it is a treaty entered into
by the United Kingdom as ancillary to the Community treaties. European
Union legislation partly covers the same subject matterCouncil
regulation EC 2201/2003, on jurisdiction and the recognition and
enforcement of judgments in matrimonial matters and matters of parental
responsibility. That overlap gives the EU competence over certain
provisions of the convention, and the power is shared with member
states. However, the convention can be ratified or acceded to only by
states parties. The European Community cannot ratify the convention in
its own right. Therefore, by Council decision, it has authorised member
states to ratify the convention on its behalf in the interests of the
Community.
The
draft order will not implement the detailed provisions of the 1996
Hague convention; it is an enabling measure. It will specify the
convention as a Community treaty, enabling detailed secondary
legislation to be introduced to implement all aspects of the
convention. Subject to approval of the draft order in both Houses of
Parliament, the order will be made by Her Majesty in the Privy Council.
We shall then introduce a statutory instrument next year, to implement
the convention for England and
Wales and Northern Ireland. The Scottish Executive have indicated that
they are preparing their own statutory instrument to implement the
convention under section 2(2) of the 1972
Act.
We
decided in 2001, following public consultation, that the United Kingdom
should ratify the convention whenever it was brought forward for
implementation by the Community. The Council decision in 2003 was the
subject of scrutiny in both Houses then, and the United Kingdom signed
the convention in April 2003. If all the EU member states that have not
already done so are ready to ratify by June 2010, the convention could
be in force for the United Kingdom as early as October next year. We
intend that the United Kingdom will be ready to ratify the convention
by June
2010.
Community
rules on the recognition and enforcement of judgments are at least as
favourable as the rules laid down in the 1996 Hague convention. A
declaration made by the United Kingdom and other EU member states in
2003 has the effect that relevant internal rules of Community law will
apply for the recognition and enforcement of judgments between EU
member states. Where a child is habitually resident in an EU member
state, Community rules will also apply to determine
jurisdiction.
Measures
for the protection of children that may be dealt with under the 1996
convention include residence, contact and care orders. The main basis
for jurisdiction is the childs habitual residence. The court in
the state where the child has usually lived will generally know more
about the child and its situation and will therefore best be able to
take decisions about the child. Uniform rules of jurisdiction should
achieve that and ensure that decisions on children properly made in one
country are respected in others. There will thus be no need to go to
court again about the same matters in cases that have an international
element.
Jurisdiction
can be transferred by agreement if that is in the childs best
interests. That will also lead to the enhancement of existing
mechanisms for administrative co-operation between courts and public
authorities concerned with the protection of the child in the different
countriessomething that was of interest to the all-party group
on child abduction. The 1996 Hague convention on the protection of
children will complement and strengthen the operation of the 1980 Hague
convention on the prevention of child abduction between states that
have ratified both.
Some right
hon. and hon. Members will be aware that the decision of the European
Council in June 2008 to authorise certain member states that have yet
to do so to ratify the 1996 convention was not issued sooner because of
disagreement relating to communication between Gibraltar and other
contracting parties. Following the resolution of that issue in December
2007, the EU was able to proceed with the approval of that and other
conventions.
Over the
years, a number of right hon. and hon. Members have raised the delay in
the implementation of the convention with my Department and the Foreign
Office, and they were right to do so. It is particularly pleasing to
highlight the fact that the Council decision in June last year has
enabled us to make progress towards UK implementation of this important
instrument.
4.37
pm
Mr.
Henry Bellingham (North-West Norfolk) (Con): It is a
pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mrs. Humble. I
declare my interests listed in the Register of Members
Financial Interests, including the fact that I am a
barristeralthough at the moment a non-practising one.
I welcome the
draft order. I point out to the Minister that the Opposition have been
pushing for some time for UK implementation of the convention on the
protection of children. From the draft order will flow the statutory
instrument, which we will certainly support. The convention was signed
by various parties in 1996, but as the Minister said, we did not sign
it until 2003, and only now is it being implemented.
We have been
pushing the Government in the interim for the speedy implementation of
the convention. It is a pity that that could not have been achieved
earlier. I understand what the Minister said about the row over
Gibraltar and some of the complex discussions involved, but it is good
news that at long last it is being implemented here. As the Minister
reminded us, it complements the Hague convention on the prevention of
child abduction.
Reciprocity
between signatory countries in enforcing contact
orderssometimes called accessand ensuring that parents
who do not have residency can stay in touch with their sons or
daughters is something that we have always said is incredibly important
for not only the adult in question and his or her rights, but as part
of the childs upbringing. All too often, when children have
been removed out of jurisdictionwe are one of the few countries
that allows such removal; some countries do not allow it on
principleit is most important for the parent that does not have
residency that court orders made in this country should be
implemented.
There have
been problems with the enforcement of contact orders in two parts of
the world, the first of which is America. I have had a number of
constituency cases that involved children that had been taken back to
America, in most cases by the mother. That may well have had something
to do with the number of large United States air force bases in East
Anglia. Some hotly contested cases involving removals to America have
been out of jurisdiction here, and there have been real problems over
the enforcement of contact if the parent in question decides that he or
shein most cases, it is shewants to put every obstacle
in the way of the father having such rights. As the Minister pointed
out, if the draft order is implemented in the spirit explained in the
policy background, the results should not be a problem. Is America
covered under the convention?
The Indian
subcontinent is another part of the world to which removals out of
jurisdiction have featured in a number of cases that I have dealt with,
although not as many as some of my colleagues in the large cities of
this kingdom. There have been quite a few cases of illegal removal out
of jurisdiction to the Indian subcontinent, but some have been approved
by the courts. Are countries such as Bangladesh, Pakistan and India
signatories? If so, does the Minister envisage any problem with the
courts in those countries recognising the requirements of the
convention?
The
interests of children should always be put first. That is why we
welcome the draft order. When will the SI that flows from it come into
force? I think that I am
right in saying that, until it is passed, the measure will not be fully
implemented. Does the date of 5 June have any significance? I gather
that that is the last possible date for a general election. The
Conservatives welcome the measure fully; we just think that it is a
pity that it could not have been introduced a little
earlier.
4.41
pm
Annette
Brooke (Mid-Dorset and North Poole) (LD): It is a pleasure
to serve under your chairmanship, Mrs. Humble, although it
might be rather briefly.
The Liberal
Democrats also welcome the draft order. Our main comment is how sad it
is that it has taken so long to reach this point, considering that we
talk aboutand I imagine that we all sign up toimproving
outcomes for children, strengthening childrens rights and
enhancing child protection. The importance of the draft order is that
it gives an integrated approach across the international sphere and
stresses the need for co-operation and ensuring that children are at
the heart of the
agenda.
I
have two questions. First, is the Minister aware of any potential
impediments that could halt total ratification in 2010?
SecondlyI am afraid that this is a question asked out of
ignorancewill the draft order strengthen any measure already in
place to tackle child trafficking? It covers asylum seekers, and there
is obviously an overlap with the reasons why children might cross
borders. I am interested in that aspect. However, we welcome the
measure
wholeheartedly.
4.42
pm
Bridget
Prentice: I am delighted that both Opposition parties, as
expected, support the proposals. I will first answer the questions
asked by the hon. Member for North-West Norfolk, who has raised issues
involving America and the Indian subcontinent in the past, usually from
a constituency point of view. As yet, the United States has not
ratified, but we hope that ratification by the EU bloc will encourage
the US, among others, including India and Pakistan, to ratify. Our
judiciary has been working closely with Pakistan in particular to make
arrangements to strengthen the protection of children and young people
who are taken abroad in that way.
We do, of
course, have other legislation that might be appropriate in certain
circumstances where a young person is removed from this country
unwillingly, such as the Forced Marriage (Civil Protection) Act 2007. A
number of different pieces of legislation certainly have a relationship
with the convention, even if they are not strengthened directly by the
draft order, to answer the hon. Member for Mid-Dorset and North Poole.
We are putting in place different pieces of the jigsaw to protect
children and young people
generally.
I
know of no impedimentthat sounds almost like a wedding
ceremonyas to why we cannot ratify next year. We are certainly
working towards the midsummer deadline. I should tell the hon.
Gentleman that I do not think that 5 June is particularly significant,
but the SIs should be laid well before then. As I understand it, the
other place will be debating the matter this week, too. We hope that
the SIs will be ready to go early in the new year, but the EU has yet
to set the date for the deposit of the instruments, so we are limited
by its decision.
The hon. Lady
asked whether the draft order would strengthen child-trafficking
legislation. I think that it does. The fact that there is a bloc EU
ratification sends a signal that we across the EU take seriously
protecting children and putting their best interest at the heart of our
legislation. I hope that it will send that message not just across the
EU but around the world, so that everyone will ensure that children are
protected and that, if
children are separated from their parents because of breakdown in a
marital relationship or for other reasons, the childs interest
is the overriding factor in the courts decision. I am sure that
that will now begin to happen throughout the Union and
elsewhere.
Question
put and agreed
to.
4.46
pm
Committee
rose.