The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chairman:
Mr.
Graham Brady
Blunkett,
Mr. David
(Sheffield, Brightside)
(Lab)
Browne,
Des
(Kilmarnock and Loudoun)
(Lab)
Burns,
Mr. Simon
(West Chelmsford)
(Con)
Davies,
David T.C.
(Monmouth)
(Con)
Gardiner,
Barry
(Brent, North)
(Lab)
Heathcoat-Amory,
Mr. David
(Wells)
(Con)
Hillier,
Meg
(Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Home
Department)
Holmes,
Paul
(Chesterfield)
(LD)
Huhne,
Chris
(Eastleigh)
(LD)
Laxton,
Mr. Bob
(Derby, North)
(Lab)
Riordan,
Mrs. Linda
(Halifax)
(Lab/Co-op)
Rosindell,
Andrew
(Romford)
(Con)
Spellar,
Mr. John
(Comptroller of Her Majesty's
Household)Gosia McBride,
Committee Clerk
attended
the Committee
European
Committee B
Tuesday 2
February
2010
[Mr.
Graham Brady in the
Chair]
Agreement
with Japan on Mutual Legal
Assistance
[Relevant
Document: European Scrutiny Committee 2nd Report of Session 2009-10, HC
5-ii, Chapter
2.]
4.30
pm
The
Chairman: Does a member of the European Scrutiny Committee
wish to make a brief explanatory statement about the decision to refer
the relevant document to this
Committee?
Mr.
Bob Laxton (Derby, North) (Lab): The purpose of the
agreement that we are debating today is to provide mutual legal
assistance between the EU and Japan in connection with criminal
proceedings. Mutual legal assistance covers all aspects of
investigating and prosecuting crime, but does not apply to
extradition.
For
the most part, the agreement contains standard terms. However, under
article 11, headed Grounds for refusal of assistance,
two grounds are worthy of attention. The first is if the offence in
Japan carries the death penalty or life imprisonment. The second is
that the dual criminality requirementthat the criminal offence
in Japan must be recognised as an offence in the EU requesting
statecan be a ground for refusing to assist only if
coercive measures in obtaining the evidence are
required. An annexe to the agreement indicates that two member states,
Austria and Hungary, are unhappy with this and that they will apply the
full dual criminality test when responding to requests for assistance
from
Japan.
That
gives rise to two points of general concern. First, EU member states
have abolished the death penalty. In contrast, Japan applies the death
penalty to a range of crimes, most commonly murder. The method of
execution is hanging. Amnesty International reports that in the three
years 2006, 2007 and 2008, there were four, nine and 15 hangings
respectively.
Information
provided to the European Scrutiny Committee by the House of Commons
Library, taken from an article last year in American Chronicle,
says this of the Japanese criminal justice system:
You
only get a lawyer if you can afford one. Evidence is censored and the
focus is obtaining a confession at all costs. Japanese authorities use
the media to convict the defendant in the public eye before trial. For
suspects that may receive the death penalty, there is never a bail
option. When a prisoner is to be executed they are not told until the
day of their execution. The family is not informed until after the
event has already occurred. The prisoners are isolated from all media
and friends in a monitored cell that is often a small square, cement
space with toilet and sink only. These executions are done in secret,
with no medial involvement.
There are reports of an
informal moratorium on the death penalty in Japan, with the appointment
of a new Justice Minister, but equally there are reports that
102 prisoners are still on death row.
Secondly, the
requirement of dual criminality is an important safeguard, ensuring
that EU member states do not provide assistance to third countries for
offences that would not be prosecuted in the EU. The assumption is that
if we consider that the facts do not amount to a criminal offence, we
should not help prosecutions in countries that do. Why then, in this
agreement, has the dual criminality been diluted to apply only to
requests where coercive measures are required to obtain
the evidence? And what, in practice, is meant by coercive
measures?
The
Ministers explanatory memorandum asked the Scrutiny Committee
to clear the agreement from scrutiny at the first occasion, because of
the timetable in Brussels, but it failed to say how the UK should
approach requests for assistance for offences that carry the death
penalty in Japan. It also failed to address the absence of a full dual
criminality test. For those two reasons, the Committee recommended a
debate.
The
Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Laxton. I now call the
Minister to make an opening
statement.
4.34
pm
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department (Meg
Hillier): It is a pleasure, Mr. Brady, to serve
under your chairmanship for the first time. I shall touch
briefly on the main issue and then quickly cut to the issues raised by
my hon. Friend the Member for Derby, North.
We all
acknowledge that mutual legal assistance in criminal matters is a vital
tool in the fight against international crime. It provides a formal
route for requesting assistance when evidence relating to a crime in
one country is located in another. With crime becoming increasingly
global in nature, the need to have strong mutual systems in place is
essential in order to achieve justice for British victims of
crime.
The agreement
before us today represents considerable progress in mutual legal
assistance with Japan. Until now, assistance in that direction has been
conducted on the basis of international comity, and this is the first
time that we have had a comprehensive framework for mutual legal
assistance between the UK and Japan. That will be of huge benefit in
ensuring that requests are dealt with in a timely and efficient manner,
as well as leading to several advances in the range of assistance
available.
For
example, the agreement provides for requests to be made between parties
for banking evidence such as customer information orders and account
monitoring orders, which is a considerable advance, as such assistance
has not previously been available to us under the rules of
international comity. The agreement also allows for prisoners in one
state to transfer temporarily, with their consent, to the requesting
state in order to give testimonythe subject of a previous
debate in this place, so I shall not repeat the arguments. The
provision ensures that vital testimony is not lost simply because a
witness is incarcerated in another
state.
I
understand the points raised by my hon. Friend the Member for Derby,
North and by the Committee generally. I start by apologising, first,
for the delay in depositing the explanatory memorandum with the
Committee, which was an error. I apologise on behalf of the
Government as a whole. Measures are being put in place to ensure that
that does not happen again. Christmas came in between, but that is not
an excuse and should not be used as onewe shall make sure that
it does not happen again. I also apologise that the original
explanatory memorandum, which I have brought with me, did not mention
in enough detail the issue around the death penalty. The Committee made
a fair point, and I can answer some questions
today.
The
two points of concern raised by my hon. Friend were the absence of a
dual criminality test and the Governments policy on assistance
given in cases involving offences that would attract the death penalty
in Japan. Agreed Government policy, in mutual legal assistance cases in
which there is a risk of the death penalty being imposed for the crime
under investigation, is that we would seek assurances that anyone found
guilty would not face the death penalty before providing assistance.
That policy has been found to work effectively and we have in the past
received assurances from countries that the death penalty would not be
imposed or, if imposed, not
implemented.
The
death penalty is, of course, not unique to Japan and it is not uncommon
for the UK to have a treaty or agreement with a country that has the
death penalty. For example, the United States of America and India are
both countries that have the death penalty and with which we have
mutual legal assistance treaties. The Government are always extremely
cautious with any cases that may impact on our public policy interests,
and the Secretary of State retains discretion as to whether to accede
to a request for mutual legal assistance. That discretion is informed
by the terms of the relevant international agreement, as in the
EU-Japan agreement, which allows for the refusal of assistance if the
requested party is of the opinion that the request, if granted, would
impair its sovereignty, security or other essential interests, or would
be contrary to public policyfor example, the death
penalty.
The
European Scrutiny Committee also expressed concerns about the absence
of a dual criminality test in the agreement. I think I can reassure the
Committee. Dual criminality is not included within the actual
agreement, but is a matter for individual states as to what their laws
require when they agree to provision of mutual legal assistance.
However, as is provided for in article 11(2) of the agreement, relating
to the refusal of assistance, requested states are able to impose a
dual criminality requirement for assistance that would necessitate
coercive
measures.
For
most types of assistance, the UK does not require dual criminality
although it is required for some coercive measures, such as searches
and also assistance relating to fiscal offences, where banking measures
may come in. It is common within such assistance that the domestic laws
of each country will vary on the forms of assistance that will require
dual criminality. It is appropriate for that to be determined at a
domestic
level.
I
am hopeful that I have addressed the concerns raised by the Committee
and am happy to take
questions.
The
Chairman: We now have until 5.30 for questions to the
Minister. I remind the Committee that questions should be brief.
Subject to my discretion, related supplementary questions may be
asked.
Andrew
Rosindell (Romford) (Con): It is a pleasure to serve under
your chairmanship, Mr Brady. On a point of clarification, I have a
number of questions to ask on behalf of the Opposition, but should I do
so consecutively, or ask each question one at a time? I wonder if you
could clarify that, Mr
Brady.
The
Chairman: Mr. Rosindell, you may continue to
try and catch my eye, although I may disperse your questions with
questions from other members of the Committee if there is a clamour to
question the
Minister.
Andrew
Rosindell: I am grateful for the
clarification.
The
Minister made it clear in the explanatory memorandum that the United
Kingdom is always bound by section 6 of the Human Rights Act 1998 to
ensure that any such decisions are consistent with rights occurring
under the European convention on human rights. What consideration has
the Minister given to the compatibility of such an agreement with the
traditionally low standards of Japanese prisons and associated rights
of Japanese prisoners? What consideration has he given to how the
agreement could be used to raise such standards to European Union
levels?
Meg
Hillier: When considering this matter, it is important to
recognise that Japan approached the European Union to facilitate
discussions. When we offer mutual assistance, it does not often lead to
someone being imprisoned in the UK. SometimesI can give details
of a number of requests if hon. Members wishevidence might
contribute to a Japanese citizen or citizens of other countries being
in prison. If a British citizen were involved, our normal process would
be to ensure that we were satisfied about human rights issues and those
that I raised during my opening comments before agreeing to offer
assistance. We would also seek assurances about the treatment of any
British
citizen.
However,
we must recognisethis is the whole point about mutual
assistancethat if someone commits a crime in a country, we must
allow that country to take action against that person. If we have real
concern, we can obviously refuse assistance and continue to press for a
worldwide rise in standards, as my colleagues in the Foreign Office
always
do.
Andrew
Rosindell: I thank the Minister for her reply. Article 11
on grounds for refusal of assistance raises particular concerns because
of the potential clash of state laws on the death penalty. Only the
most serious offences carry the statutory punishment of the death
penalty under Japanese lawhomicide and treasonbut those
are the very offences for which the UK Government would consider
refusal of assistance. What assessment have the Government made of the
difficulty of dealing with such an anomaly? Will Her Majestys
Government develop a policy of consistency in assistance for such
offences?
Meg
Hillier: I will happily write to the hon. Gentleman to
clarify some of his points, but we seek consistency in the matter. The
issue of dual criminality is important, and we would provide mutual
legal assistance only when we have assurances about the treatment of
individuals.
Paul
Holmes (Chesterfield) (LD): Continuing the theme of
article 11, Home Office policy states that when there is a risk of the
death penalty, it would normally seek assurances that the death penalty
would not apply, but in special circumstances it may nevertheless
provide assistance. Will the Minister clarify what sort of special
circumstances might lead to the Government providing assistance, even
if the death penalty may be
involved?
Meg
Hillier: Clearly, if we have an arrangement for mutual
legal assistance, we are making it clear that we recognise that if
someone commits a crime, wherever in the world that may be, they must
face justice for that crime. We include in our measures, both in this
agreement and generally in our approach to such matters, safeguards to
ensure that mutual legal assistance would not result in any British
citizen being put to death. The separation of powers means that we
cannot absolutely give a guarantee.
The way it
often works is that we receive strong assurances from the Executive of
our opposite numberGovernment to Government. In most
countriescertainly in those with which we have agreements, such
as Japanthe judiciary is separate and makes its own judgment,
but if, in extremis, a death sentence were passed despite assurances,
it would be for the Executive to sign the order for the sentence to be
carried out. That is another safeguard, because if we had had strong
assurances that the death penalty would not be carried out, we would
expect that the order would not be
signed.
That
is how the situation has often worked, and I hope that the hon.
Gentleman is reassured that we would not put British citizens in the
face of the death penalty, but we would not stop someone facing justice
if they had committed a
crime.