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Mr. McCartney: I will ensure that my remarks are kept for that first meeting then and give other hon. Members the chance to speak now. This discussion has taken less than five minutes in a debate of five and a half hours, but if at the end of it we can help tens of thousands of our fellow citizens to get out of the dire circumstances that they are in, it will have been worth waiting five and a half hours.

Huw Irranca-Davies: In the time remaining-I thank right hon. and hon. Members for keeping their contributions short-I shall try to address as many points as I can. On new clause 10, as I explained in Committee we have set up a new Cabinet Office team to ensure that critical infrastructure-for example, power stations-is resilient to all natural hazards. The Welsh Assembly Government are involved in this work.

On new clause 11 and the requirement for the Environment Agency to report annually on flood warning, individual property measures and insurance, I explained in Committee that there is already provision in clause 18 for the EA to report more widely and for Ministers to set the time scale for and context of the report.

We also discussed the subject of new clause 12 in Committee, and I pointed out that British Standards Institution kitemark products must undergo rigorous testing to demonstrate that they can provide effective property level flood protection, but there is the issue of having the right product in the right place for the right flood prevention. However-

9 pm

Debate interrupted (Programme Order, 15 December 2009).

The Deputy Speaker put forthwith the Question already proposed from the Chair (Standing Order No. 83E).

That the clause be read a Second time.

Question negatived.

The Deputy Speaker then put forthwith the Questions necessary for the disposal of the business to be concluded at that time (Standing Order No. 83E).

New Clause 14


'The Secretary of State must within one year of the passing of this Act bring forward regulations to ensure the insurance industry has regard to flood prevention measures in calculating premiums and charges for flood-affected customers based on the principles of equity and shared risk.'.- (Martin Horwood.)

Brought up.

Question put, That the clause be added to the Bill.

The House divided: Ayes 36, Noes 246.
Division No. 68]
[9 pm


Alexander, Danny
Baker, Norman
Barrett, John
Brooke, Annette
Cable, Dr. Vincent
Campbell, rh Sir Menzies
Farron, Tim
Foster, Mr. Don
Gidley, Sandra
Hancock, Mr. Mike
Harvey, Nick
Hemming, John
Hermon, Lady
Holmes, Paul
Horwood, Martin
Hughes, Simon
Hunter, Mark
Keetch, Mr. Paul

Kramer, Susan
Laws, Mr. David
McCrea, Dr. William
Moore, Mr. Michael
Mulholland, Greg
Öpik, Lembit
Rennie, Willie
Rowen, Paul
Russell, Bob
Sanders, Mr. Adrian
Spink, Bob
Taylor, Dr. Richard
Teather, Sarah
Webb, Steve
Williams, Mark
Williams, Mr. Roger
Willott, Jenny
Younger-Ross, Richard
Tellers for the Ayes:

Dan Rogerson and
Mr. Alan Reid

Abbott, Ms Diane
Ainsworth, rh Mr. Bob
Alexander, rh Mr. Douglas
Allen, Mr. Graham
Anderson, Mr. David
Atkins, Charlotte
Austin, Mr. Ian
Austin, John
Bailey, Mr. Adrian
Bain, Mr. William
Balls, rh Ed
Banks, Gordon
Barlow, Ms Celia
Barron, rh Mr. Kevin
Begg, Miss Anne
Benn, rh Hilary
Berry, Roger
Betts, Mr. Clive
Blackman, Liz
Blackman-Woods, Dr. Roberta
Blears, rh Hazel
Blunkett, rh Mr. David
Borrow, Mr. David S.
Bradshaw, rh Mr. Ben
Brown, Lyn
Brown, rh Mr. Nicholas
Brown, Mr. Russell
Browne, rh Des
Bryant, Chris
Buck, Ms Karen
Burgon, Colin
Byrne, rh Mr. Liam
Caborn, rh Mr. Richard
Cairns, David
Campbell, Mr. Alan
Caton, Mr. Martin
Cawsey, Mr. Ian
Challen, Colin
Chapman, Ben
Chaytor, Mr. David
Clapham, Mr. Michael
Clark, Ms Katy
Clarke, rh Mr. Charles
Clarke, rh Mr. Tom
Coaker, Mr. Vernon
Coffey, Ann
Connarty, Michael
Cook, Frank
Cooper, Rosie
Cooper, rh Yvette
Crausby, Mr. David
Creagh, Mary
Cruddas, Jon
Cryer, Mrs. Ann
Cummings, John
Cunningham, Mr. Jim
Cunningham, Tony
David, Mr. Wayne
Davies, Mr. Dai
Dean, Mrs. Janet
Denham, rh Mr. John
Dhanda, Mr. Parmjit
Dismore, Mr. Andrew
Dobbin, Jim
Dobson, rh Frank
Donohoe, Mr. Brian H.
Doran, Mr. Frank
Drew, Mr. David
Efford, Clive
Engel, Natascha
Ennis, Jeff
Flello, Mr. Robert
Flint, rh Caroline
Flynn, Paul
Follett, Barbara
Foster, Mr. Michael (Worcester)
Foster, Michael Jabez (Hastings and Rye)
Francis, Dr. Hywel
Gapes, Mike
Gardiner, Barry
George, rh Mr. Bruce
Gerrard, Mr. Neil
Gilroy, Linda
Goodman, Helen
Griffith, Nia
Griffiths, Nigel
Grogan, Mr. John
Hain, rh Mr. Peter
Hall, Patrick
Hanson, rh Mr. David
Harris, Mr. Tom
Havard, Mr. Dai
Healey, rh John
Hepburn, Mr. Stephen
Hesford, Stephen
Hewitt, rh Ms Patricia
Heyes, David
Hill, rh Keith
Hodge, rh Margaret
Hodgson, Mrs. Sharon
Hood, Mr. Jim
Hoon, rh Mr. Geoffrey
Howarth, rh Mr. George
Howells, rh Dr. Kim
Hoyle, Mr. Lindsay
Humble, Mrs. Joan
Iddon, Dr. Brian
Illsley, Mr. Eric
Irranca-Davies, Huw
Jackson, Glenda
James, Mrs. Siân C.
Jenkins, Mr. Brian
Johnson, rh Alan
Johnson, Ms Diana R.

Jones, Mr. Kevan
Jones, Mr. Martyn
Joyce, Mr. Eric
Keeley, Barbara
Keen, Alan
Keen, Ann
Kemp, Mr. Fraser
Khan, rh Mr. Sadiq
Kidney, Mr. David
Kilfoyle, Mr. Peter
Knight, rh Jim
Kumar, Dr. Ashok
Ladyman, Dr. Stephen
Lammy, rh Mr. David
Laxton, Mr. Bob
Lazarowicz, Mark
Lepper, David
Levitt, Tom
Linton, Martin
Lloyd, Tony
Lucas, Ian
Mackinlay, Andrew
Mactaggart, Fiona
Malik, Mr. Shahid
Mallaber, Judy
Mann, John
Marris, Rob
Marsden, Mr. Gordon
Marshall-Andrews, Mr. Robert
McAvoy, rh Mr. Thomas
McCafferty, Chris
McCarthy, Kerry
McCarthy-Fry, Sarah
McCartney, rh Mr. Ian
McDonagh, Siobhain
McDonnell, John
McGrady, Mr. Eddie
McGuire, rh Mrs. Anne
McIsaac, Shona
McKenna, Rosemary
Meacher, rh Mr. Michael
Merron, Gillian
Michael, rh Alun
Miliband, rh Edward
Miller, Andrew
Moffatt, Laura
Mole, Chris
Moon, Mrs. Madeleine
Morden, Jessica
Morgan, Julie
Mudie, Mr. George
Munn, Meg
Murphy, Mr. Denis
Murphy, rh Mr. Jim
Murphy, rh Mr. Paul
Naysmith, Dr. Doug
Norris, Dan
O'Brien, rh Mr. Mike
O'Hara, Mr. Edward
Olner, Mr. Bill
Osborne, Sandra
Owen, Albert
Palmer, Dr. Nick
Pearson, Ian
Plaskitt, Mr. James
Pope, Mr. Greg
Pound, Stephen
Prentice, Bridget
Prentice, Mr. Gordon
Prescott, rh Mr. John
Prosser, Gwyn
Purchase, Mr. Ken
Raynsford, rh Mr. Nick
Reed, Mr. Andy
Reed, Mr. Jamie
Riordan, Mrs. Linda
Robertson, John
Robinson, Mr. Geoffrey
Rooney, Mr. Terry
Roy, Mr. Frank
Roy, Lindsay
Ruane, Chris
Ryan, rh Joan
Salter, Martin
Seabeck, Alison
Shaw, Jonathan
Sheerman, Mr. Barry
Sheridan, Jim
Simon, Mr. Siôn
Simpson, Alan
Skinner, Mr. Dennis
Slaughter, Mr. Andy
Smith, rh Mr. Andrew
Smith, Ms Angela C. (Sheffield, Hillsborough)
Smith, rh Angela E. (Basildon)
Smith, Geraldine
Snelgrove, Anne
Southworth, Helen
Spellar, rh Mr. John
Starkey, Dr. Phyllis
Stewart, Ian
Stoate, Dr. Howard
Strang, rh Dr. Gavin
Straw, rh Mr. Jack
Stringer, Graham
Stuart, Ms Gisela
Sutcliffe, Mr. Gerry
Tami, Mark
Taylor, Ms Dari
Thomas, Mr. Gareth
Thornberry, Emily
Tipping, Paddy
Todd, Mr. Mark
Touhig, rh Mr. Don
Trickett, Jon
Turner, Dr. Desmond
Turner, Mr. Neil
Waltho, Lynda
Ward, Claire
Watson, Mr. Tom
Watts, Mr. Dave
Whitehead, Dr. Alan
Williams, rh Mr. Alan
Williams, Mrs. Betty
Williams, Hywel
Wilson, Phil
Winterton, rh Ms Rosie
Wright, Mr. Anthony
Wright, David
Wright, Mr. Iain
Wright, Dr. Tony
Wyatt, Derek
Tellers for the Noes:

Mr. Bob Blizzard and
Helen Jones
Question accordingly negatived.
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Clause 1

"Flood" and "coastal erosion"

Amendment made: 30, in page 1, line 12, leave out from 'waters,' to end of line 13 and insert-

'(e ) groundwater, or

(f) anything else (including any combination of factors).'.- (David Wright.)

Clause 19

Local authorities: investigations

Amendments made: 31, in page 13, line 27, leave out 'In the event' and insert 'On becoming aware'.

Amendment 32, in page 13, line 27, after 'must', insert

', to the extent that it considers it necessary or appropriate,'.

Amendment 33, in page 13, line 32, leave out 'An authority' and insert

'Where an authority carries out an investigation under subsection (1) it'.

Amendment 34, in page 13, line 33, leave out 'under subsection (1)'.- (David Wright.)

Clause 28

Power to make further amendments

Amendment made: 35, in page 17, line 16, leave out paragraphs (a) and (b) and insert-

'(a) the Welsh Ministers, where the amendment relates to-

(i) a matter in respect of which functions may be exercised by the Welsh Ministers, the First Minister for Wales or the Counsel General to the Welsh Assembly Government, or

(ii) a matter within the legislative competence of the National Assembly for Wales, and

(b) the Secretary of State, for all other purposes.'.- (David Wright.)

Clause 29


Amendments made: 36, in page 17, line 25, leave out 'reassign' and insert 'transfer'.

Amendment 37, in page 17, line 26, leave out 'and' and insert 'or'.

Amendment 38, in page 17, line 27, at end insert

'to risk management authorities or other bodies.'.

Amendment 39, in page 17, line 33, leave out 'authorities' and insert 'bodies'.

Amendment 40, in page 17, line 42, leave out 'risk management authorities in England' and insert

'English risk management authorities and other bodies with responsibilities in relation to England'.

Amendment 41, in page 18, line 1, leave out 'risk management authorities in Wales' and insert

'Welsh risk management authorities and other bodies with responsibilities in relation to Wales'.- (David Wright.)
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Clause 35

Provision of infrastructure

Amendments made: 42, in page 18, line 32, at end insert-

'(3A) The regulations-

(a) may make provision only in relation to projects or works that in the Minister's opinion are of a size or complexity that threatens the undertaker's ability to provide services for its customers, and

(b) in conferring powers, must restrict them to projects or works that, in the opinion of the person exercising the power, are of a size or complexity that threatens the undertaker's ability to provide services for its customers.'.

Amendment 43, in page 19, line 1, after 'project', insert

', or part of a project,'.

Amendment 44, in page 19, line 27, at end insert '(if any).'.- (David Wright.)

Clause 36

Water use: temporary bans

Amendments made: 45, in page 21, line 32, leave out 'private'.

Amendment 46, in page 21, line 33, at end insert-

'(c) watering plants on domestic or other non-commercial premises using a hosepipe;

(d) cleaning a private leisure boat using a hosepipe;

(e) filling or maintaining a domestic swimming or paddling pool;

(f) drawing water, using a hosepipe, for domestic recreational use;

(g) filling or maintaining a domestic pond using a hosepipe;

(h) filling or maintaining an ornamental fountain;

(i) cleaning walls, or windows, of domestic premises using a hosepipe;

(j) cleaning paths or patios using a hosepipe;

(k) cleaning other artificial outdoor surfaces using a hosepipe.'.

Amendment 47, in page 21, line 35, at end insert ';

(b) remove a purpose from the list in subsection (2).'.- (David Wright.)

Clause 38

Incidental flooding or coastal erosion: environment agency

Amendment made: 48, in page 24, line 11, at end insert ', and

(d) persons who own or occupy land that, in the opinion of the Agency, is likely to be directly affected by the work.'.- (David Wright.)

Clause 39

Incidental flooding or coastal erosion: local authorities

Amendment made: 49, in page 25, line 18, at end insert ', and

(b) other persons who own or occupy land that, in the opinion of the authority, is likely to be directly affected by the work.'.- (David Wright.)

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Schedule 1

Risk management: designation of features

Amendments made: 50, in page 37, line 24, after third 'the', insert 'reasonable'.

Amendment 51, in page 37, line 28, after third 'the', insert 'reasonable'.

Amendment 52, in page 37, line 42, leave out 'a refusal of' and insert 'a decision in connection with'.- (David Wright.)

Schedule 3

Sustainable drainage

Amendments made: 53, in page 53, line 30, at end insert-

'(e) an internal drainage board, if the approving body thinks that the drainage system may directly or indirectly involve the discharge of water into an ordinary watercourse (within the meaning of section 72 of the Land Drainage Act 1991) within the board's district.'.

Amendment 54, in page 53, line 35, at end insert-

'(5) The Minister may make regulations about timing and procedure for determination of applications for approval; and the regulations may, in particular, specify the consequences of failure to comply with them.'.

Amendment 55, in page 56, line 33, leave out 'is therefore not' and insert 'therefore need not be'.

Amendment 56, in page 56, line 34, at end insert ';

(b) where a drainage system is entirely on a publicly-maintained road (and the adoption duty does not therefore apply to it).'.- (David Wright.)

Schedule 4


Amendments made: 57, in page 73, line 38, at end insert-

'Regulatory impact assessment

40A (1) The Minister must carry out a review of the burden on undertakers in relation to large raised reservoirs of complying with the Reservoirs Act 1975 as amended by this Schedule.

(2) The review must be carried out at the end of the period of 12 months beginning with the operative date.

(3) In sub-paragraph (2) the "operative date" means the first date on which all of the following have come into force-

(a) section A1 of the Reservoirs Act 1975 (inserted by paragraph 2 of this Schedule), and

(b) regulations under sections 2(2C), 2C(1)(b) and 10(2) of that Act as amended by this Schedule.

(4) The Minister must prepare and publish a report of the review.'.

Amendment 58, in page 73, line 40, after 'In' insert 'this Schedule, and'.- (David Wright.)

Third Reading

9.14 pm

The Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Hilary Benn): I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

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