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Understanding that Govia's Keith Ludeman and Southeastern's Charles Horton were effectively pawns on the DFT chessboard, I wrote to the Secretary of State on 6 January, after a disastrous Christmas rail transport season in east Kent. In that letter, I said that I would be meeting Southeastern's Charles Horton to discuss the flow of complaint e-mails that I was receiving from dissatisfied customers, and I invited the Secretary of State to attend the meeting.

Having met Mr. Horton, I wrote again to the Secretary of State on 18 January, saying:

Southeastern is in no doubt either about where the buck stops. I continued:

On 26 January, the Minister responded to my first letter of 6 January on behalf of the Secretary of State:

citing additional services to London Cannon Street, London Victoria and London Bridge stations, as well as the unloved St. Pancras service. We will hear the views of the travelling public in due course.

In a further and-forgive me-crass observation indicating his lamentable understanding of the geography of east Kent, the Minister then prayed in aid of his improvement claims services to Tunbridge Wells, Tonbridge, Sevenoaks, Bexleyheath, Greenwich and Grove Park, none of which is of interest to those using the Kent coastal services. He was, however, gracious enough to acknowledge that

On 12 February, the Minister wrote again on his Lordship's behalf, this time in response to my letter requesting a meeting with the Secretary of State:

his diary having presumably been rearranged for the general election. He asserted in a further letter on 22 February that

and told me and those whom I represent:

My constituents are travelling now, not in three years' time. Their working lives are being disrupted now. They are paying vastly inflated fares-way above the Department's alleged increase of RPI plus 3 per cent.-now. They are travelling on dirty, overcrowded, unreliable trains, and arriving home late from work to cold dinners and children already in bed, now.

Mr. Julian Brazier (Canterbury) (Con): I am most grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way while making a powerful speech, and I congratulate him on fighting a remarkable campaign. May I add one more item to that
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extremely unappealing list? Those who commute across Kent rather than into London face a pathetic collapse in the timetable arrangements for transitions. Some transitions have dropped from 10 minutes to one minute, so people keep missing connections.

Mr. Gale: My hon. Friend is absolutely right. Some of the changes dramatically affect his constituents. If he can stay until later in my speech, he will hear me refer to one of them. If he cannot, I understand fully, as I know that he has other commitments in the House this afternoon.

I want the Minister-and the Secretary of State, who I trust will read this debate in the Official Report-to hear from the mouths of the travelling public precisely what they think of his Department, Southeastern trains and Govia. Michael Alderton, a gold card season ticket holder, says:

Five minutes, of course, is the amount by which trains are allowed to be late without being regarded as late.

Working up the line from Margate-a two-hour journey on a good day-Vivien Viggers says:

One stop further on, in Westbrook, Paul Dexter writes that

Mr. Dexter, who pays £3,780 a year out of taxed income for his season ticket, adds:

Dawn Dale, who travels from Birchington-on-Sea, asks:

I would add: when will the Minister?

The next stop is Herne Bay. Sharon Reeve pays £4,150 out of a salary of £26,000 to get to work. Because of the changes to the timetable she has to

She goes on:


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Moving up the line to Teynham, Duncan Law used to catch the 5.27 to London Bridge and get to his Greenwich office by 7 am. Now

He concludes by saying that he is

by Southeastern.

Antony Loveland from Faversham works in north-west London, an area that the Department says is favoured by the run-through to St. Pancras. He says that

He concludes:

We now move towards the constituency represented by the Under-Secretary of State for Transport, the hon. Member for Gillingham (Paul Clark), who presumably speaks occasionally to the Secretary of State. Dennis Hamer from Newington tells me that he faces

and 50 per cent. fewer trains during off-peak hours. He adds:

Neil West, who lives on Sheppey and works in Fulham, says that

And so to Gillingham and Rainham, home of the Under-Secretary, who wrote on 1 March to his constituent, Jennifer Coles, saying that he had met with Southeastern's Charles Horton, who was

Mr. Horton had stressed that

Faced across the table by a Transport Minister defending a marginal seat and beset by angry commuters, he would say that. The Minister went on to sing from the Department song sheet:

It is debatable whether Amy Overy from Rainham, another constituent of the Under-Secretary, will be impressed by his observations. She said that


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She went on:

Interestingly, the Minister got the Department's franchise manager, John MacQuarrie, to reply to that comment. Mr. MacQuarrie said that

"Successful" is perhaps not the word I would have chosen.

I appreciate that this debate is a lengthy journey. If the Minister is beginning to lose the will to live, perhaps he understands how Kent's travelling public feel on a daily basis. In case he is tempted to think that this problem affects just a few people on the line that is the subject of the debate, Daniel Sargent states:

Gwyn Prosser (Dover) (Lab): I have listened with interest to the hon. Gentleman's speech and to the complaints from many of his constituents and the constituents of other hon. Members. If I manage to catch your eye, Mr. Benton, I will give my view on the difficulties in Dover. However, I put it on the record that the volume of complaints in Dover about the impact of High Speed 1 on domestic services does not reflect the jaundiced and grim story we are hearing.

Mr. Gale: The hon. Gentleman will no doubt make his view known and I am sure that his constituents, such as Mr. Sargent, will pay attention.

I am representing the daily experiences of real people who pay real money, after tax, to travel from homes along the Kent coast, through the Medway towns, and into London. Whether the hon. Gentleman likes it or not, the introduction of high-speed trains has had a dramatic effect on the performance of the standard service. Passengers are demonstrating with their feet that they do not want to go to St. Pancras. I have done that journey, as I am sure has he. After travelling to St. Pancras, it takes 25 minutes and costs £2.50 to get back to Westminster. The same is true for Aldgate and other places, as I will show. That is not an improvement.

Mr. Sargent goes on to make that very point:

It does not make any sense. No sane person would regard that as an improvement. No time is saved and money is wasted. By my miserable maths, people without season tickets have to pay an additional £13.50 a day for a standard return fare to London to use the high-speed service-and that is before paying to park. That is a lot of money for a mediocre service. I will be interested to hear the hon. Gentleman justify it. Trevor Allison from Preston, near Canterbury, states:


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Even for people coming from Ashford-the raison d'être of the high-speed link-all is not perfect. Julia Blackwell, a gold card, first-class traveller, reports that

Again, that is the point I have been making. She states:

To add insult to injury, people who have to travel on the high-speed link, but do not pay the high-speed premium due to the failure of the train operator to provide adequate ticket purchase and upgrade facilities, such as Peter Jaquiss from Cliftonville and Sharon Gregory from Westgate, are faced with penalty fares on arrival at St. Pancras. Remember, this is progress.

Even the local Kent services have not escaped the impact of this ill-conceived plan. Julie Gurr from Herne says:

She continues:

I think so too.

I will bring this litany to a conclusion shortly, but I said that I would refer to the impact that this matter has had on leisure traffic. Terry Davidson from Folkestone tells me that


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