HM Revenue and Customs: Dealing with the tax obligations of older people - Public Accounts Committee Contents


Supplementary memorandum from HM Revenue and Customs

Questions 39-52 (Mr Bacon):  How many cases of coding notices being sent to the wrong tax agent. When did the problem begin? When was it resolved? What was the nature of the problem? Was the Information Commissioner informed of the security breach?

  During the introduction of our new computer system last summer we provided relevant information to interested parties, including agents' advisers and customer representatives. This included regular updates for stakeholders about any emerging PAYE issues which might affect them.

  In September 2009, we were made aware of two instances where data had been incorrectly sent to the wrong agent. Two agents contacted us to advise that coding notices had been incorrectly sent to their client's previous representative. When the problem was reported, we investigated and found there was an issue with the system design. Although the website shows this as a current issue, I can confirm that it was fixed on 23 November 2009. Although only two individual cases were reported, we advised the agent community so that any unreported cases could be quickly identified. No further cases have since come to light.

  The notices of coding which were misdirected would have contained the taxpayer's name and address, their employer's PAYE reference, their National Insurance number and details of their tax code. They did not contain bank account or date of birth details.

  We also consulted our lawyers about the two cases and they advised that on the basis that personal data was accidentally sent to a person who was not authorised to receive it; the two instances did amount to a breach. However, given the number involved was low, the nature of the data and the fact that it went to previous agents of the relevant taxpayers who owe duties of confidentiality themselves, then their advice was that the breach was not so serious as to merit reference to the Information Commissioner's Office.

  We take all security breaches very seriously and as soon as we were aware that information had been sent to the wrong agent, we acted as quickly as we could to resolve the issue. We have apologised to the parties involved in both these cases.

Questions 63-68 (Mr Bacon):  More information on the five forms people have to fill in to register as an employer and operate the Simplified PAYE Deduction Scheme (para 3.23 refers).

  A new employer who wishes to register for the simplified scheme can do so by telephoning the HMRC Employer Helpline giving their employee's name, address and National Insurance number or date of birth. HMRC will then send the employer a new employer's pack containing explanatory material and simplified tax deduction tables.

  Following registration, operating the Simplified PAYE Deduction Scheme can, in exceptional circumstances, involve completing up to five forms. Usually, only one or two forms have to be filled in, either the P12 and the P37 if the employer does not use an agent to file online on the employer's behalf, or simply the FBI 2 if the employer does use an agent to file online. The five forms are as follows:

    — P16A—to notify HMRC about taking on a new employee for whom PAYE must be operated. This form has to be completed only if the employer takes on a different employee after providing the Employer Helpline with details of their first employee. Otherwise it is not required.

    — P12—for each employee the employer needs to complete a two page form on which they enter the employee's name, address, date of birth and National Insurance number. For each week, the employer records on this form the employee's pay, income tax, National Insurance contributions, any statutory payments made (such as statutory sick pay) and any student loan deductions recovered.

    — P37—An end-of-year declaration that the information for all their employees is correct and has been included. This requires only the employer's signature and the date. Each completed P12 form is sent with this declaration. On receipt of these forms, HMRC will prepare a notification of tax and National Insurance deductions for the year and send that to the employee.

    — MS116—Request to an employer for details of an employee's pay and tax where the end of year P12 has gone astray. The form MS116 is not required in order to "register as an employer and operate the Simplified Deduction Scheme". The MS116 is provided by HMRC in limited circumstances; it is a request for details of pay and tax where the original form giving those details has gone astray. It is rarely used for this type of employer.

    — FBI2—Authority for an agent to operate the online service on the employer's behalf.

  Employers carrying out the work themselves would normally only have to complete two forms.

  The procedure is simplified if the employer files online. This is because the software carries out all the calculations for the employer. When they enter their employee's details and gross pay on the electronic form, their tax, NICs and net pay figures are calculated automatically. They are also automatically set up to file the declarations needed at the end of the tax year online and can print off the notification of tax and National Insurance deductions to give to their employee themselves.

Questions 70-72 (Mr Bacon):  The number of older people that defer taking the State Pension

  When people approach state pension age, they must make a claim to DWP for payment of that pension. At the point of claim, DWP inform HMRC when the payment of the state pension is due to start and HMRC amend the claimant's tax code accordingly. Assuming the payment of the state pension starts on the expected date, the claimant will have the correct amount of tax deducted from the outset.

  In some cases, however, having made their claim, the claimant may decide to defer the start date for the payment of their state pension. In deferring their state pension, they may choose to take the deferred amount as a lump sum, normally at the time that payment of their pension begins, or to receive an increased weekly amount of state pension 12 months later.

  In the deferred cases, a number of different things can happen:

    — if a claimant chooses to take their deferred pension as a lump sum, DWP notifies HMRC. When the lump sum is paid, DWP deduct tax from the lump sum at the claimant's marginal rate and notify HMRC of the payment made and the tax they have deducted. HMRC use that information to calculate the pensioner's end of year liability;

    — if, instead, they choose to receive an increased weekly amount of state pension then there is, at the present time, no automatic data feed from DWP to HMRC about their decision to defer. In these cases, HMRC will code out the amount of state pension which DWP have notified to them and will then collect the tax due and the person will overpay tax. In order for these claimants to be paying the correct amount of tax, DWP would need to amend their systems to provide HMRC with the data they need. DWP do not currently have any plans to do this; and

    — a claimant is, however, able to advise HMRC of the deferral themselves and HMRC will remove the state pension restriction from the coding.

  DWP estimate that there are around 60 000 cases a year where pension is deferred, normally because the person does not make a claim.

Questions 84-87 (Geraldine Smith):  The results of the quantative customer survey asking what contact method older people prefer and results from other Departmental work such as exit interviews on whether people prefer contact by telephone, face-to-face, letter or the internet.

  HMRC has a number of approaches where we seek to find out what customers thought of the service they received, areas for improvement and what their preferences are in their future dealings with HMRC:

    — HMRC Customer Survey—A quarterly survey covering all customer groups, including 2,000 individual customers. The survey allows HMRC to understand how customers rate their experience of dealing with the department. September results showed that 77.5% of pensioners understood what they had to do; 73.7% found the process easy to complete; 69.8% found it easy to get in touch and 72.8% thought the service was designed with their needs in mind.

    — Exit interviews (face-to-face)—Overall satisfaction for face to face service (Enquiry Centre) is 95%. These results cut across all customer groups.

    — Specific pensioner research—The latest research, carried out by BMRB, reported in August 2009. 2,539 customers (pensioners, pre-pensioners and people in transition) were included. Questions included asking customers about their dealings with us, what channels they used and what their preferences are. We also tested confidence levels and knowledge about key tax issues. Specific findings relating to channel preferences:

PRE-PENSIONERS (CUSTOMERS CHOSE ALL THAT WERE APPROPRIATE)
PostPhone In personInternet Email
Finding out information or getting a response to a query 73%68%49% 46%42%
Filling in and returning a form83% 46%39%43% 36%
Getting a response to a query on personal tax affairs 84%59%47% 41%34%


PENSIONERS
PostPhone In personInternet Email
Finding out information or getting a response to a query 77%72%41% 22%23%
Filling in and returning a form87% 39%42%20% 19%
Getting a response to a query on personal tax affairs 86%63%39% 21%15%


Questions 95 (Mr Mitchell):  Details of the nearest enquiry centre to Grimsby.

GREAT GRIMSBY

  There are two offices in this constituency, both in Grimsby, Heritage House (no Enquiry Centre) and Imperial House (Enquiry Centre). Heritage House is to be vacated, Imperial House is to be retained.

Questions 99-103 (Mr Mitchell):  Figures on recent contact centre performance and the improvements year on year.

  HMRC is conscious that the lack of information on its telephone services about approximate waiting times has the potential to cause frustration to some customers. HMRC is currently investigating the technical feasibility, as well as the costs and benefits to the Department and its customers, of implementing this type of service.

  We are constantly looking for ways to improve the customer experience. We have, for example, introduced a range of informative initial messages this year which have resulted in many customers being able to obtain the information they need quickly without having to stay on the line to speak with an adviser. In addition HMRC is piloting a call-back facility which, at busy times, allows customers to leave their details so that a return call can be made within a specific time frame. So far this year HMRC has answered 76% of all call attempts compared with only 52% in the same period last year, and continues work towards the industry standard of answering 90% of call attempts.

Question 124 (Chairman):  Details of how much the Department is investing in developing their services for older people (this was in the context of £165,000 being given to the third sector to help the Department provide information to older people who are hard to reach—para 4.17 refers).

  The £165,000 mentioned in the report refers to 2008-09 funding specifically issued to Third Sector organisations dealing with older people and forms part of HMRC's Grant in Aid funding of £2 million per financial year. Grants issued to other Third Sector Organisations will also have helped older people, though we don't record details separately. The grants support a variety of local and national projects. We know that for a particular section of pre and existing pensioners, often the most vulnerable, third sector organisations are the preferred source of information and advice. Specific grants for services for older people include:

    — Age Concern (£104k over two years)—produced "your tax help check leaflet" to 32,000 people (so well received more were produced and circulated); Web based tax calculator is being produced.

    — Tax Help for Older People (£240k given over three years)—funding helped them reach 33% more customers; telephone helpline received 9,645 calls (6,344 dealt by phone; 1,766 by surgeries & 1,535 by visits).

    — Life Academy (£79k over two years)—Produced workbook "Taxation at retirement" for 3rd sector organisations; training advisers in third sector organisations.

  In the majority of cases we do not separate investment in developing services/products specifically for older people from other customer groups; most of our processes, products and services affect all customer groups. A figure for older people is therefore not available, however specific recent changes include:

    — P2 (Notice of Coding)—Separate P2s are issued for each taxable source of income which causes confusion. A flyer, which research shows all customers found helpful, explains what to do, what it is used for and where to go for further information. While P2 notices increased by 6% early feedback indicates that calls are down by more than 25%.

    — P161—Research showed low awareness of receiving/completing the form; this is the main form used to get customers tax code correct for retirement. Analysis of common errors made on the form led to the P161 Help sheet; it explains why we ask for the information and how best to complete the form to ensure they receive the correct tax code. Latest results show a 9% reduction in errors with some areas showing significantly more.

    — R27—The key form for finalising the tax affairs of someone who has died (Potential repayment to the estate). We plan to publish a more sensitively-worded, clearer, more user-friendly replacement in 2010.

  In addition, wherever feasible, HMRC works with other Government Departments and the Third Sector to improve our understanding of customer needs and to inform changes to products and services.

6 January 2010





 
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