Scrutiny of value for money at the BBC - Public Accounts Committee Contents


Further letter from BBC Trust to Chair

  Thank you for your letter of 4 March, which I have discussed with Sir Michael Lyons.

  At the hearing on 8 February, the NAO and the Trust agreed to send you a note to clear up any misunderstanding relating to the incremental cost of having a studio in central Vienna for Euro 2008. I apologise for the delay in this, but I am pleased now to be able to give you the details supplied to me by the Executive, which you will find in annex 1 to this letter. The NAO has had an opportunity to review the cost figures in the annex and has confirmed that that additional cost outlined for the Vienna studio is a reasonable estimate.

  In my letter of 3 March, I offered to provide a summary of the World Cup 2010 budget and forecast staff number to the Committee in confidence once the ITV match split has been agreed (likely to be in w/c 15 March). Following your letter of 4 March, we have considered the BBC's legal and commercial position in relation to this. On the basis of what the Executive have explained to me we have decided that, although there is a commercial risk to the BBC arising from any publication of the data, we will be able to provide you with the summary World Cup budget and forecast staff number once the match split is agreed, without receiving any assurance of confidentiality.

  In my previous letter, I also provided details of MPs' attendance at BBC events. Further to this, I understand that you would like details of regulators' attendance as well. I attach as annex 2 to this letter an updated list which includes both MPs and regulators.

  In my previous letter, I provided details of the BBC's preferred suppliers for Outside Broadcasting. Further to this, I understand that you would like some more information; this has been provided by the Executive and I attach this in annex 3.

  The BBC does, though, continue to have concerns centred on the information requested at item 2 in the appendix, unless we can be assured that it is not your intention that, once supplied, it will be placed in the public domain.

  Can I first mention the disclosure of the talent spend in salary bands to which you refer? That disclosure was specifically designed so that it would not be possible for any individual's remuneration to be identified. It does not therefore set a precedent for the disclosure you are requesting or undermine the BBC's case that confidential treatment of certain information is appropriate.

  Although information was provided to the NAO on a more detailed basis (to facilitate the conduct of the study), subject to the NAO observing appropriate confidentiality requirements, it was agreed with the NAO that the information set out in their Report on Major Events for talent and other staff costs would be aggregated in order to safeguard a number of issues which the BBC believe it is reasonable and proper for us to seek to secure. The BBC was concerned that certain legal obligations owed to the individuals concerned should be respected. These are:

    — publication of individual data (or of information which enables this to be ascertained) will constitute a breach of the relevant individuals' rights, under the Data Protection Act 1998; and

    — contractual arrangements vary between different individuals, but in some cases involving key, high profile, talent, the supply of the information leading to the publication of payments to individuals (or of information which enables those payments to be ascertained) will place the BBC in breach of contractual obligations to the individuals concerned.

  In addition to those legal issues, the BBC Executive remain concerned about the following broader considerations:

    — that the disclosure of payments will tend to place inflationary pressure on costs, thus undermining the objective of controlling expenditure and the key objective of securing value for money for licence fee payers: what the BBC pays could tend to be a benchmark; competitors may aim to outbid the BBC for talent, having been provided information as to what the BBC pays; and the BBC will have to raise fees again if they wish to retain talent;

    — that the publication of individual talent fees (or data allowing such fees to be calculated) will place the BBC at a competitive disadvantage in negotiating for talent against other organisations, which do not have to make similar disclosures;

    — that it may well be difficult or impossible to secure the services of some key talent at all, if confidentiality cannot be assured; and

    — that there is no public interest in any publication of this information since the individuals do not set the BBC strategy or policy, nor are they responsible for how large amounts of public money are spent (the criteria used to determine the disclosure of senior executive salaries). Further, other broadcasters do not have to publish similar data and consequently the public will be unable to compare BBC costs with those of other broadcasters.

  I should also mention that the reasons set out above, for not publishing data that is sufficiently detailed to enable individuals' payments to be ascertained, have also been accepted by the Information Commissioner in cases where similar information has been requested from the BBC under the Freedom of Information Act.

  I hope you will therefore understand that the BBC does have legitimate reasons for not wishing to see the relevant data placed in the public domain. In particular, the Trust wishes to respect the legal rights and legitimate interests of the individual presenters in question. Having said that, we remain willing to supply to your Committee the underlying more detailed information previously supplied to the NAO in the interests of transparency and in order to enable your Committee to consider the issue in greater detail. However, for the reasons mentioned above, we remain of the view that it would not be proper for us to supply that information, unless it is accepted that it is supplied on a confidential basis.

Jeremy Peat

Trustee for Scotland

BBC Trust

11 March 2010

Annex 1

COST COMPARISONS FOR THE CENTRAL VIENNA STUDIO AND THE INTERNATIONAL BROADCASTING CENTRE FOR EURO 2008

  The BBC, as part of its editorial approach to coverage of major sporting events, wished to have a studio in Austria for the Euro 2008 football competition. The BBC considered some additional cost would be justified, on editorial grounds, to have a studio in central Vienna with a view of the city and the Fan Mile, at the heart of the tournament rather than one without any windows at the International Broadcasting Centre. A studio in the Vienna International Broadcasting Centre would have nothing to distinguish it to the television audience as being in Vienna. None of the major broadcasters covering Euro 2008 based their main studio at the International Broadcasting Centre in Vienna.

  The final budget for Euro 2008 included £250,000 as the cost of the central Vienna studio. This cost was in addition to the cost of the space and facilities which the BBC occupied at the International Broadcasting Centre. However, there was no duplication of studio space between the Vienna studio and the International Broadcasting Centre as the BBC did not pay for any television studio space at the International Broadcasting Centre. The equivalent cost of a studio at the International Broadcasting Centre, calculated from rate cards for Euro 2008, was £237,000. That was the basis for Mark Thompson's comment that the incremental cost was below £50,000.

  There were three principal cost elements for the Vienna studio: rent, telecommunications and studio construction and installation costs. The costs for these elements were:

    — Rental expenditure on the central Vienna studio of £349,000, an increase on the budget which in part reflected the fact that in April 2008 the BBC was obliged to extend the rental by nine additional days, because of access restrictions to the Fan Mile, where the studio was located.

    — The BBC estimates the additional costs of telecommunications links between the central Vienna studio and the International Broadcasting Centre to have been £72,000.

    — Studio set build costs for the central Vienna studio of £152,000. The BBC was able to build a simple set because the windows of the studio, and the views of Vienna, were such a feature. However, a studio in the International Broadcasting Centre would have been provided to the BBC without windows, so would have required a more elaborate and expensive set, comprising screens and projectors which are commonly used in internal studios. Based on previous studio construction and equipment hire costs, the BBC estimates it would have cost approximately £240,000 to have constructed a studio and set at the International Broadcasting Centre. This estimate would mean the Vienna studio cost some £88,000 less than constructing a functioning studio at the International Broadcasting Centre.

  The actual additional cost of having the central Vienna studio rather than having a studio at the International Broadcasting Centre is set out in the table below as approximately £96,000.



Vienna studio
Estimated cost for International
Broadcasting Centre

Difference
Rental cost for space£349,000 £237,0001£ 112,000
Additional IT costs£72,0002 £0£72,000
Studio and set£152,000 £240,0003(£88,000)

Total
£573,000 £477,000£96,000


Note 1.  Based on rate card for International Broadcasting Centre space, adjusted for lighting rig and telephone line costs to give a like-for-like comparison between the two sites.
Note 2.  Additional costs for telecommunications connection from International Broadcasting Centre to Vienna studio.
Note 3.  Based on generic costs incurred for Vienna studio that would also have been incurred for constructing a studio at the International Broadcasting Centre (£113,000) and BBC estimate of additional costs for screens and projection that would have been incurred to create acceptable studio space at the International Broadcasting Centre.


  The BBC believes having a studio in the centre of Vienna allowed it to capture all the atmosphere of Vienna, and take viewers to the heart of the tournament, not least on the evening of the thunder storms when all broadcasters lost live pictures and the BBC was able to reflect the exceptional circumstances and chaotic scenes of that night.

  The NAO has had an opportunity to review the cost figures and has confirmed it is content that the additional cost for the Vienna studio of £96,000 is a reasonable estimate.

Annex 2

MP AND REGULATOR ATTENDANCE AT BBC EVENTS REVIEWED IN THE NAO REPORT AS GUESTS OF THE BBC

  The BBC Executive advise us that they only hold centrally records of attendees who are invited via the central Corporate Affairs office. It is not unusual for Directors of BBC departments to individually invite MPs to events (and, in theory, possible for them to invite regulators) but this information is not recorded centrally. This is particularly true for the Proms—the BBC Corporate Affairs office arranges the first night of the Proms which is hosted by the BBC Chairman and the Director General. There are boxes available to the BBC throughout the Proms season but these are hosted by individual departments and we therefore do not have a record of who attended. Below, as explained above, I copy the information held by the Corporate Affairs department—but this is by no means exhaustive.

  I have also included relevant guests of the BBC Trust. Details of Trust hospitality are recorded and retained in full by the Trust Unit, with summaries available on the Trust website.

BEIJING 2008 (BBC RECEPTION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GAMES)

    — Tessa Jowell (who was in Beijing representing the Government).

EURO 2008

  There were no centrally organised events.

WIMBLEDON 2009

  There were no centrally organised events.

GLASTONBURY 2009

  There were no centrally organised events.

BBC PROMS 2009 (BBC RECEPTION PLUS TICKETS TO THE 1ST NIGHT OF THE PROMS)

    — Peter Ainsworth.

    — John Barrett.

    — Vincent Cable.

    — Mark Field.

    — Sandra Gidley.

    — Sir Gerald Kaufman.

    — David Lidington.

    — Howard Stoate.

    — Sarah Teather.

    — Nigel Waterson.

    — Betty Williams.

    — Lord (Melvyn) Bragg (guest of BBC Trust).

    — Eric Pickles (guest of BBC Trust).

    — Tom Watson (guest of BBC Trust).

    — Colette Bowe (guest of BBC Trust).

    — Don Foster (guest of BBC Trust, at a later Prom).

    — Philip Graf (guest of BBC Trust, at a later Prom).

RADIO 1'S BIG WEEKEND 2009 (TICKETS PLUS SHORT BEHIND THE SCENES BRIEFINGTHESE TICKETS ARE PROVIDED AT NO EXTRA COST TO THE BBC AND ARE FREE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC)

    — James Gray.

    — John Whittingdale.

Annex 3

FURTHER INFORMATION ON COMPETITION FOR OB CONTRACTS

  In my previous letter, I provided details of the BBC preferred suppliers for Outside Broadcasting. Further to this, I understand that you would some more information, which have requested from the BBC Executive and provide below.

  The BBC works with many leading providers of outside broadcast services. The BBC's approved supplier list for outside broadcast services includes eleven providers, details of each have been provided previously.

    — O21 Television Ltd.

    — Arena Television.

    — Arqiva Outside Broadcasts.

    — Barcud Derwen.

    — CTV Outside Broadcasts Ltd.

    — Enfys Ltd.

    — Neon Broadcast Services Ltd.

    — NEP Visions Ltd.

    — Omni TV.

    — SIS Outside Broadcasts Ltd.

    — Televideo.

SATELLITE INFORMATION SERVICES (SIS)

  In March 2008, BBC Outside Broadcasts, a part of BBC Resources, was sold to SIS (Satellite Information Services) for a consideration of £19.3 million.

  Independent advisers Ernst & Young concluded that, considering the competitive nature of the market, the high fixed costs of BBC Resources' outside broadcasting, union agreements (relating to staff employment conditions) and the comprehensive sales process, the SIS offer was appropriate for the BBC.

  The sale included a minimum volume guarantee within the contract which gradually decreases each year until the contract comes to an end in March 2013.

  This deal ensured that the BBC retained the expertise of staff and consistency of coverage during a transition period, and enabled it to secure the best price for the business.

  The BBC is still able to tender under this deal—indeed we have done at Glastonbury in 2009, where SIS successfully bid outside its contract with the BBC for one element of the broadcast, and the Big Weekend which was awarded to Arena TV.

  The BBC also receives a substantial discount against SIS' standard service charges.

  In addition, the contractual arrangement has:

    — Delivered a consistently reducing price over the period.

    — Allowed investment in new, High Definition trucks, provided at a competitive market rate.

    — Protected the BBC from inflation in the marketplace leading to 2012, and provided access to experienced staff to ensure robust delivery.

    — Avoided additional costs of extra staff to manage resource provision.

  The BBC's outside broadcast expenditure with SIS and other providers 2008-09 is:

    Actual pan-BBC spend—other providers 16%.

    Actual pan-BBC spend with SIS, over contractual minimum 19%.

    Contractual minimum—SIS 65%.

  Competitive tenders with other providers demonstrate that their rates are competitive in the market place. For example, SIS have successfully competitively tendered for elements of OB provision at BBC events.

  In terms of the specific events within the NAO's report, SIS were unable to provide all outside broadcast facilities at Glastonbury under the framework contract. The BBC competitively tendered for OB facilities at three stages, which were awarded to:

    — Glastonbury Other Stage—Arena.

    — The Jazz World Stage—Arena.

    — The John Peel Stage—O21.

  For reasons of commercial confidentiality, the BBC Executive are unable to provide the specific value of individual contractual elements or the bids of individual parties. Those contracting with the BBC have a legitimate expectation that the value of their contracts is not publicly disclosed by the BBC, and this would damage the confidence that suppliers have in the BBC.

  Such disclosure would:

    — Prejudice the negotiating position of the BBC in future contract negotiations; for example those for outside broadcast services at 2010 events.

    — Breach the BBC's contractual obligation to safeguard confidential information of third parties.

    — Weaken the position of third parties within a competitive environment, by revealing market-sensitive information of potential usefulness to competitors. This would prejudice the negotiating position of SIS and other third-party suppliers in contractual negotiations with other third parties. This could have a corresponding detrimental impact on the commercial revenue of third parties supplying goods and services to the BBC.

    — Weaken the BBC's bargaining position with suppliers of outside broadcast services, and all other services for which the BBC negotiates, potentially reducing the BBC's ability to drive value for money in purchasing such services.

    — Harm the ability of the BBC or third party contractors to obtain goods and services in the future.





 
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