3 Effects of external recruitment
20. Various claims and counterclaims have been made
about the effects of external recruitment on the senior civil
service. In this part of the report, we consider the case for
and against outside appointments in the light of available evidence.
21. As we have seen, appointing from outside the
civil service is often a matter of necessity in order to fulfil
demand for skills that cannot be met from within. Beyond this,
proponents of external recruitment frequently make a case for
it on the grounds that the civil service benefits from the fresh
insights and new approaches that outside recruits can bring to
the business of government. Sir Gus O'Donnell, the Cabinet Secretary,
has indicated to us in the past that he is persuaded by such arguments:
I have made a point of bringing in more talent from
outside. In one of your own reports you said that ventilation
was very important in terms of skills, so getting in new skills
is really important. I have been responsible for getting people
from a wide range of backgrounds, the private sector and wider
public sector, into the Civil Service and I think that is really
good for us. We should not sit back and say that we should have
only talent that we grow internally.[19]
22. Others, such as the civil service unions, are
more doubtful, claiming that any benefits are outweighed by the
detrimental effects of external recruitment. Those against greater
external recruitment, such as Paul Noon of Prospect, contend that
employing external recruits results in "extra costs, poor
value for money, weaker management".[20]
23. Bearing these opposing views in mind, we now
look at the available evidence on the effects of outside appointments
in several of the main areas of concern: pay, performance and
retention, and issues of "organisational fit" (including
working in a political context and adopting civil service values).
Pay
24. Perhaps the most commonly heard criticism of
external recruits is that they are expensive and represent poor
value for money. Typically, those appointed from outside are paid
significantly more than existing civil servants at the same level
of seniority. According to the Cabinet Office, the overall median
salary for external recruits is £89,800, while for internal
recruits it is £74,500.[21]
This means that, on average, those recruited externally are paid
20 per cent more than those promoted internally. Table 4 sets
out the differences in median salaries for external and internal
SCS recruits by pay band level. These salary differentials tend
to persist over time, as annual pay uplifts are applied without
taking account of initial pay differences on appointment.[22]
Table 4: Median salaries of internal and external
SCS recruits
| Internal
| External |
Deputy Director | £71,000
| £80,000 |
Deputy Director (1A) |
£84,000 | £90,000
|
Director | £96,000
| £117,000 |
Director General | £129,000
| £165,000 |
Source: Normington report, p 13
25. Not surprisingly, the issue of pay differentials
between external and internal recruits has been the most divisive
aspect of outside recruitment. In some cases, there are valid
reasons for paying external recruits higher salaries in order
to attract them into the civil service. The Civil Service Commissioners,
the Senior Salaries Review Body (SSRB) and Sir David Normington
all concede that pay premiums will sometimes be justified, given
that comparable salaries in the private sector are often much
greater for professionals in finance or IT, for example.[23]
We encountered this issue in our parallel inquiry into top pay
in the public sector, which concluded that escalating private
sector pay had put upward pressure on the salaries of public sector
executives.[24] In addition,
there are similar pay pressures from the wider public sector job
market. Bernard Galton, Director General with responsibility for
HR matters for the Welsh Assembly Government, told us that senior
recruitment from the wider public sector was subject to market
considerations also, since local authorities and the NHS can often
pay higher salaries than the civil service (for example, a Chief
Medical Officer position was advertised at £120,000, although
a clinical director in an NHS trust would earn £150,000).[25]
26. The civil service unions Prospect and the FDA
have claimed that the widespread practice of paying more to outside
appointees has had highly damaging effects on morale among career
civil servants. The unions have strongly opposed the practice
of paying external recruits more than internal candidates, which
they argue leads to a "dual market" within the civil
service, a point also recognised by the SSRB. The unions further
claim that this has led to "deep resentment and demoralisation".[26]
One union member commented that:
The two tier system where those coming in to the
civil service are given far higher salaries than those who have
come up through the civil service is insulting and invidious and
gives the message that anyone outside of the SCS must be more
skilled and valuable than anyone in the civil service.[27]
27. David Bell and Sir David Normington, the two
serving permanent secretaries who gave evidence to us, acknowledged
this problem and suggested that greater transparency and clarity
of purpose would help in justifying cases where paying greater
salaries is acceptable:
If you are going to recruit from outside the Civil
Service at a big premium, you have to be completely clear why
you are doing it and you need to make sure that you are paying
a market premium for something that is of value to you. I am not
sure we always have done that.[28]
[Sir David Normington]
What annoyed traditional civil servants most was
the kind of randomness about decisions that were being made or
what appeared to them to be a randomness about decisions that
were made. What David [Normington] has laid out is at least a
structure where, if you are going to pay over the odds, you are
very clear what you are paying for. I think that will go a long
way towards dealing with what was some dissatisfaction.[29]
[David Bell]
28. Janet Paraskeva agreed with this analysis. She
attributed some of the pay differentials to a lack of clarity
about how SCS positions were advertised, particularly about the
compensation "packages" attached to jobs.[30]
The Civil Service Commissioners have therefore stressed the need
for recruiting departments to be clear, transparent and consistent
in the remuneration offers they make to candidates. According
to the Commissioners, this approach appears to be bearing fruit;
having monitored the situation for a number of years, their assessment
of the current state of affairs was quite hopeful:
there are far fewer instances of payments significantly
over the advertised rate. It does seem that the Civil Service
has addressed this issue and there is now much greater consistency:
in the assessment of salary for jobs; and in negotiation with
successful candidates on their starting salary.[31]
29. Nevertheless, there is more that could be done
to ensure that inconsistencies in the pay of senior civil service
recruits are dealt with effectively, as Sir David Normington and
the Civil Service Commissioners have both recognised.[32]
Where appointments
to the senior civil service are subject to open competition, candidates
should be treated equally during salary negotiations, regardless
of whether they are currently inside or outside the civil service.
This has not always been the case, resulting in pay differentials
between external and internal candidates and significant disquiet
amongst existing civil servants. We support the proposals made
by Sir David Normington and the Civil Service Commissioners to
minimise pay discrepancies between external and internal recruits
to the SCS:
- Departments
should ensure that remuneration offers to candidates are clear
and consistent with the pay rates advertised. There should be
stricter controls over departments' ability to deviate from the
rate advertised for a post when negotiating a salary offer with
a successful candidate.
- Departments should be more rigorous
in their application of pay premiums. In cases where they want
to pay more than the advertised rate, departments should be required
to explain to the Cabinet Office the reasons why and provide evidence
to support their case (such as data on skills shortages and market
pay rates).
- The civil service should seek
to manage down pay differentials over time in those cases where
external appointees have received large initial pay premiums.
- The Cabinet Office should provide
clear guidance to departments on setting and negotiating salaries
for SCS candidates, as well as on reducing pay differentials between
external and internal recruits over time.
- The Cabinet Office and Civil
Service Commissioners should continue to monitor the remuneration
of new SCS recruits across government, in order to detect where
concerns about significant pay discrepancies or trends in candidate
remuneration may arise.
Performance and retention
30. Assessing the success of external recruitment
to the senior civil service involves looking at how well outside
appointees have performed and their ability to make a lasting
difference by staying in the civil service (apart from those outside
appointments that are explicitly term-limited). We consider each
of these issues in turn.
PERFORMANCE
31. Part of the reason why the higher salaries paid
to outside appointees have been so controversial is due to the
perception that external SCS recruits do not perform better than
internal ones, despite being paid more. Paul Noon, for example,
was not impressed by his experience of outside appointments:
If you have got an outstanding individual who really
delivers targets for an agency, people can see it, but that is
not the generality of the appointments that are made.[33]
This led him to conclude that, given external recruits'
higher salaries, "simply on value for money grounds, it does
not seem a good deal for the taxpayer".[34]
32. Meanwhile, David Bell considered this point in
the short informal review he led on the effects of external recruitment
on the SCS. That review, which reported informally to the Cabinet
Secretary in April 2008, concluded:
Perhaps counter-intuitively given the recent practice
of the Civil Service, we came to a fairly firm conclusion that
appointing "outsiders" to the very senior posts in the
SCS is always a risk
There is evidence from the private
sector that if no mitigating action is taken, circa 50% of external
hires made at Director level are not successful (i.e. they either
leave or become "blockers"). There is no reason why
the public sector should be different.[35]
33. The consultancy firm Ernst and Young put forward
the view that lower than expected performance could be as much
a result of how the civil service treats new external recruits
as individual capability:
There is a risk of setting up new recruits to fail.
Expectations have not always been clear on arrival. Some new recruits
have arrived without clarity over their priorities, how long they
have to make an impact and without open feedback in the early
months. This becomes an ongoing problem where external recruits
lose confidence and can either become blockers or leave disenchanted
with the organisation.[36]
34. External appointments are more likely to be successful
in cases where clear reasons exist for recruiting into particular
roles, for example where there are obvious skill needs, and where
the external recruit's role is clearly defined. Ernst and Young
observe that this occurred with external recruits into finance
roles, where the head of the government finance profession worked
with departments to bring in appropriately qualified finance directors,
either from elsewhere in the public sector or from the private
sector. Ernst and Young concluded that: "overall it seems
clear that the external hires have made a strategic difference
to finance professionalism and service in government".[37]
35. Some of the concern about performance may arise
out of the heightened expectations that tend to exist about the
anticipated impact of external recruits. Nevertheless, the Government
acknowledges a genuine concern about outside appointees' performance,
particularly when internal recruits perform equally as well as
their better remunerated external counterparts:
Generally there could be an argument that there should
be more appointments from the private sector for the diversity
they bring, but this group often has the additional difficulty
to prove they are able to "hit the ground running",
especially at this level.[38]
[Welsh Assembly Government]
Many Departments reported that external recruits
on relatively high starting salaries were given more stretching
objectives and their performance generally justified the higher
pay. However, some Departments reported cases where career civil
servants that earn significantly less perform as well as external
recruits.[39] [Government
evidence to the Senior Salaries Review Body]
36. Part of the difficulty in assessing the situation
is that there is little concrete evidence available about the
performance of external recruits. The results of the performance
evaluations that do exist provide some slight support for the
belief that external appointees on the whole perform less well
than internal recruits. Government evidence to the Senior Salaries
Review Body in 2008 indicates that on assessments of external
and internal recruits' overall performance, a slightly smaller
proportion of external appointees were judged to be in the top
performing group, while a slightly larger proportion of external
recruits were in the lowest performing group. The following table
sets out the exact percentages:
Table 5: Results of performance assessments for
external and internal SCS recruits
| Performance Group One (highest performing)
| Performance Group Two |
Performance Group Three |
Performance Group Four (lowest performing)
|
External recruits | 23%
| 45% | 25%
| 7% |
Internal recruits | 27%
| 45% | 25%
| 4% |
Total | 26%
| 45% | 25%
| 4% |
Source: Cabinet Office, Government
Evidence to the Senior Salaries Review Body on the Pay of the
Senior Civil Service, December 2008, p 8
37. The absence of solid performance data and evidence
for monitoring the effects of making external appointments was
noted by several of our witnesses. Gill Rider told us that the
lack of such information had prompted the Cabinet Office to start
collecting it, with the caveat that useful trend data would require
data collection over a number of years.[40]
The Civil Service Commissioners welcomed moves to start tracking
the performance of appointees to the SCS, but warned that "we
have yet to see any evidence that feedback systems are sufficiently
robust to inform the development of improved recruitment processes
or of the success of the overall policy".[41]
RETENTION
38. Another concern that has arisen over external
recruitment is the high rate of outside appointees that leave
the senior civil service after a relatively short time. Turnover
rates for external SCS recruits have been consistently higher
than those for internal recruits over the past four years, as
the following table shows:
Table 6: Turnover rates for external and internal
SCS recruits
| 2005
| 2006 | 2007
| 2008 |
External recruits | 14.7%
| 14.3% | 13.7%
| 11.6% |
Internal recruits | 8.8%
| 10.4% | 8.9%
| 7.6% |
Source: Cabinet Office, Ev 25
39. Correspondingly, the retention rate for external
joiners is lower than that for internal recruits. Of external
recruits to the SCS in the year to April 2004, just under half
(49 per cent) were still in post at April 2008. This compares
to the 68 per cent of all internal joiners (in the year to April
2004) who had remained in the SCS over the same time period.[42]
Among external recruits leaving the civil service in the year
to April 2008, the most commonly cited reason for their departure
was resignation. In contrast, retirement was the most common reason
for leaving mentioned by career civil servants.[43]
40. To some extent the figures on retention are not
surprising, since external recruits might be expected to be more
mobile in their careers than internal recruits, who may well have
spent their entire working lives in the civil service. Nonetheless,
Sir David Normington's review concluded that the trend for external
recruits to resign had led to the SCS losing talent. It further
concluded that there was insufficient evidence about the reasons
for the high number of exits.[44]
The Cabinet Office informed us that departments do conduct exit
interviews with people leaving the civil service, but that central
collation of the results has only taken place from 2009 and so
has not been available to inform policy on recruitment to the
SCS.[45] More importantly
for our purposes, data from exit interviews does not distinguish
whether the person leaving is an internal or external recruit.[46]
Clearly, this hinders the ability to identify any common factors
underlying the experience of external appointees while they are
in the SCS.
41. One factor explaining the difficulty of retaining
external recruits may be the lack of future career prospects they
see in the civil service; Sir David Normington acknowledged in
his report that "promotions and career development may be
more ad hoc than we would like".[47]
Another consideration is the quality of induction, mentoring and
ongoing support that external recruits receive, in order to help
them adjust to working in the civil service (we discuss further
issues of organisational fit in the next section). Sir David suggested
there should be a comprehensive investigation of the reasons behind
the high exit rate for outside appointees, so that appropriate
steps can be taken to improve retention:
Research should be undertaken into the reasons for
individuals leaving the SCS, particularly previous external hires.
This will allow us to take appropriate action to address our sourcing,
induction, development and retention, as part of the future workforce
strategy.[48]
42. Our
analysis of the performance and retention of external recruits
leads us to the following conclusion. Higher
pay has helped fuel the implicit belief that external recruits
should perform at a higher level than internal recruits. Yet the
evidence suggests that, on the whole, outside appointees do not
perform better than career civil servants and many leave civil
service employment relatively quickly. This is clearly a very
unsatisfactory situation which, if not addressed, will lead many
to cast doubt on the wisdom of appointing from outside the civil
servicelet alone paying them greater salaries.
43. Much of
the discussion about the effectiveness of external recruits is,
however, limited by a lack of hard evidence. We recommend the
Cabinet Office rectify this situation by building on its initial
efforts to collect more systematic data to monitor the performance
of external recruits and the reasons why they leave. This type
of information should help government develop appropriate practices
and approaches for getting the best out of external appointees.
Organisational fit
44. The performance of outside recruits to the SCS
and how long they stay in the civil service depend crucially on
how well they are able to adapt to the demands of working in government.
In part, this relies on the past backgrounds and experience of
individual appointees, but also on the support they receive from
their department and from the civil service.
ADJUSTING TO A POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT
45. David Bell, himself a relatively recent external
recruit to the SCS (from the wider public sector), told us that
those appointed from outside need to attune to the "rhythms
of political life" in order to succeed within Whitehall:
I know what I am looking for if I am targeting recruitment
to outside. I really want to test very hard whether people are
going to understand the rhythms of politics and government because
actually you have to learn that fast
In the first letter
I wrote to the Cabinet Secretary [about the merits of external
recruitment] I did write that I observed when it came to the crunch
that politicians really seemed to like and want close to them
those who had some of the traditional skills of operating the
machinery of government, providing wise counsel and advice, fixing
things and making them happen, negotiating across Whitehall and
so on
The trick for us is to combine the very best of those
close-quarter skills with the proper openness to outside ideas
and views.[49]
46. Jonathan Baume reiterated the importance of external
recruits' ability to fit in to a political environment:
I was talking to one Permanent Secretary who
was telling me about a post that they had filled externally, but
the person had struggled and could not get to grips with, if you
like, the networks and political environment they were working
in, so in fact the Permanent Secretary had put in another senior
civil servant to work alongside them, so they ended up paying
for two jobs for what was one.[50]
47. Several witnesses suggested that external recruits
with a local government or other public sector background were
perhaps better equipped to adapt to the "rhythms" of
Whitehall, since they will have had experience of working in a
political context. Recruitment from the wider public sector has
been somewhat overlooked in the debate on external recruitment,
given the emphasis on appointees from the private sector. Ernst
and Young made the point that "too often search firms are
told that someone is needed from the private sector without being
clear why".[51]
However, its survey of external appointees suggested that those
recruited from the wider public sector have tended to be more
successful:
Organisational fit matters. Of our interviewees,
those working in agencies had found the transfer from private
sector to public sector easier than those who had moved into Whitehall
departments. This was due to agencies having clear performance
goals, generally being more arms length from political decision-making
and having more autonomy. It is also possible to succeed in Whitehall
but seems to be more dependent on former experiences and skills.
There are examples of former local authority senior leaders and
those from professional service firms moving successfully into
Whitehall roles and there is a clear sense of them having benefited
from their experience of complex, bureaucratic and political organisations.[52]
48. David Bell and Sir Michael Bichard (former Permanent
Secretary of the then Department for Education and Employment,
and now Director of the Institute for Government) are often cited
as two prominent external recruits who started their careers in
local government. Janet Paraskeva agreed that appointments from
the wider public sector can succeed, and added that exchanges
of senior staff between the civil service and the wider public
sector can also result in greater understanding of policy making
and implementation on both sides:
...from the outside appointments that we make, over
20% of them come from the wider public sector and I think that
movement in and out of local authority positions into central
government and back again is probably healthy for both.[53]
49. Good
organisational fit is vital for external appointees to operate
successfully in the senior civil service. There is evidence to
suggest that private sector recruits have sometimes struggled
to adapt to working in the Whitehall political environment. We
believe some of the difficulties of organisational fit resulting
from external recruitment could be overcome by increasing the
proportion of external appointments from local government and
the wider public sector. This would increase the chances that
outside recruits have the political experience and public service
ethos needed to perform effectively at the higher reaches of the
civil service, without losing the benefits of bringing a fresh
perspective to Whitehall.
EFFECTS ON CIVIL SERVICE VALUES
50. Other concerns about external appointments are
harder to measure, especially where the effects only become apparent
over time. The civil service unions warned of potential losses
to the collective institutional memory of government, with Prospect
putting its view that:
We would be concerned about over-reliance on external
appointments leading to denudation of civil service in-house capability
and expertiseincluding loss of corporate memory.[54]
51. Meanwhile, the Civil Service Commissioners have
in the past expressed concern that core civil service values and
the public service ethos could possibly be diluted by large numbers
of external recruits changing the nature of the SCS. Baroness
Prashar, the then First Civil Service Commissioner, commented
in 2003 that:
The Civil Service has, quite rightly, embarked on
a programme of reform in response to changing demands. At a time
of rapid change there is a need, more than ever, to ensure core
values are not eroded. As departments recruit more people from
outside to senior positions, it is essential not only to make
sure the Civil Service benefits from their skills, experience
and different ways of doing things, but also that they understand
the core values which underpin the work of the service.[55]
52. Ernst and Young considered that fears about the
effect of external appointments on civil service values might
be somewhat overstated. However, it did concede that most of the
senior external recruits interviewed for its research seem to
have been more attracted to working in government by the specific
role than the idea of working in the public sector generally.[56]
Results from the SCS staff survey suggest, perhaps unsurprisingly,
that external recruits have less of an affinity with their home
department, or with the civil service overall, than career civil
servants.[57]
53. Effective induction procedures can help reinforce
the importance of core civil service values, as well as providing
more practical advice and guidance to external recruits on their
new roles. The Cabinet Office informed us that there are a number
of induction programmes in place for new SCS entrants, both at
departmental and civil service-wide level.[58]
These include the two and a half day "Base Camp" course
for all new members of the SCS, and corporate induction for new
Top 200 members. However, there seem to be few formal induction
arrangements in place to help ease external recruits into working
in the civil service. The Cabinet Office told us that individual
departments can tailor their own departmental inductions for new
outside appointees, and it also recommends mentor schemes for
external recruits.[59]
54. There is also a potential cultural tension between
prevailing civil service norms and the challenge presented by
the different perspectives and ways of operating brought in by
outside appointees. For many external recruits, the question is
how much they should (or are able to) maintain an "outsider"
attitude and approach. Ofsted Chair Zenna Atkins pointed out to
us during our Good Government inquiry that part of the point of
bringing in people from outside was presumably to introduce to
government new ways of seeing and doing things:
From my own experience in having watched other people
[coming into the SCS from outside] it is very difficult not to
do one of two things. One is to go native and just go along with
what the public sector has done and to buy into, "That's
the way it's done here", so your external experience suddenly
becomes very devalued. Or the other thing is you are continually
banging your head against the wall and are not able to navigate
your way through the way things are done.[60]
55. Zenna Atkins's observation raises the wider point
that it is not simply a matter of external appointees moulding
themselves to the ways of Whitehall; senior civil service managers
also need to work at getting the best out of recruits from other
sectors. This point was supported by Sir Michael Bichard, who
told us that external recruits need to be given adequate support
from their line managers and beyond to help them get on effectively
in their new roles:
Whenever I brought someone from outside into the
Civil Service, and we brought a hell of a lot of people into the
department, I always had them into my office if they were reasonably
senior, and said, "I did not bring you here to be a silky
mandarin. I brought you here because you have particular skills
and a different perspective that I want to see influence the way
in which this place works. If you experience insurmountable problems
that door is always open and I want you to come and talk to me
about them". A lot of them have said to me since that that
was really quite important because it gave them power and clout
and it gave them a sense that the very top management was behind
them. I do not think that often happens
people are brought
in, whether it is into the Civil Service or as a minister, and
they are just left there.[61]
56. We
see a need for induction arrangements tailored specifically to
help external recruits adjust to the demands of working in government
and to reinforce core civil service values. Induction procedures
should not be too onerous, but should recognise the particular
needs that those new to government have as they take up senior
posts. Such induction should continue to be coordinated at a central
level by the Cabinet Office, and should draw on the views of existing
and former external recruits to the SCS. Equally, however, senior
civil servants who manage external recruits need to be better
at incorporating the different approaches and perspectives that
external entrants bring. The Cabinet Office should also explore
how it can support senior civil service managers in getting the
best out of new recruits arriving from outside government.
19 Oral evidence taken before the Public Administration
Select Committee on 11 December 2008, The Work of the Cabinet
Office 2007-08, HC 45-i, Session 2008-09, Q 29 Back
20
Oral evidence taken before the Public Administration Select Committee
on 12 March 2009, Civil and Public Service Issues, HC 352-i,
Session 2008-09, Q 40 Back
21
Ev 24 Back
22
Normington report, p 13 Back
23
Ev 34; Review Body on Senior Salaries, Thirty-First Report
on Senior Salaries 2009 (Report No. 68), Cm 7556, March 2009,
p 10; Normington report, pp 12-13 Back
24
Public Administration Select Committee, Top Pay in the Public
Sector, para 185 Back
25
Public Administration Select Committee visit to the Welsh Assembly
Government, 11 May 2009 Back
26
FDA and Prospect, Joint Union Evidence to the Senior Salaries
Review Body, November 2007, p 5 (available at http://www.fda.org.uk/home/FDA-Prospect-evidence-to-SSRB-November-2007.aspx) Back
27
Ibid, p 6 Back
28
Q 93 [Sir David Normington] Back
29
Q 93 [David Bell] Back
30
Q 24 Back
31
Civil Service Commissioners, Annual Report 2008/09, p 5 Back
32
Ev 34; Civil Service Commissioners, Annual Report 2008/09,
pp 5, 22; Normington report, pp 27-30 Back
33
Oral evidence taken before the Public Administration Select Committee
on 12 March 2009, Civil and Public Service Issues, HC 352-i,
Session 2008-09, Q 22 Back
34
Ibid, Q 21 [Mr Noon] Back
35
Ev 28-29 Back
36
Ev 35 Back
37
Ev 40 Back
38
Ev 46 Back
39
Cabinet Office, Government Evidence to the Senior Salaries
Review Body on the Pay of the Senior Civil Service, December
2008, p 8 (available at http://www.civilservice.gov.uk) Back
40
Q 102 Back
41
Ev 33 Back
42
Ev 51 Back
43
Ev 25 Back
44
Normington report, p 20 Back
45
Ev 45 Back
46
Ev 52 Back
47
Normington report, p 9 Back
48
Ibid, p 5 Back
49
Qq 103, 128 Back
50
Oral evidence taken before the Public Administration Select Committee
on 12 March 2009, Civil and Public Service Issues, HC 352-i,
Session 2008-09, Q 8 Back
51
Ev 40 Back
52
Ev 35 Back
53
Q 41 Back
54
Ev 43 Back
55
Civil Service Commissioners, Annual Report 2002/03, pp
2-3 Back
56
Ev 40 Back
57
ORC International, SCS Survey 2006 (available at http://www.civilservice.gov.uk) Back
58
Ev 47-48 Back
59
Ev 47 Back
60
Oral evidence taken before the Public Administration Select Committee
on 16 October 2008, Good Government, HC 97-II, Session
2008-09, Q 98 Back
61
Oral evidence taken before the Public Administration Select Committee
on 15 January 2009, Good Government, HC 97-II, Session
2008-09, Q 299 Back
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