The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chair:
Mr
Charles Walker
†
Brown,
Lyn (West Ham) (Lab)
†
Clark,
Katy (North Ayrshire and Arran)
(Lab)
†
Creasy,
Stella (Walthamstow)
(Lab/Co-op)
†
Crockart,
Mike (Edinburgh West)
(LD)
†
Featherstone,
Lynne (Minister for
Equalities)
†
Hillier,
Meg (Hackney South and Shoreditch)
(Lab/Co-op)
†
Lefroy,
Jeremy (Stafford)
(Con)
†
Leslie,
Charlotte (Bristol North West)
(Con)
†
Lewis,
Brandon (Great Yarmouth)
(Con)
†
Lewis,
Dr Julian (New Forest East)
(Con)
†
Liddell-Grainger,
Mr Ian (Bridgwater and West Somerset)
(Con)
†
Lord,
Jonathan (Woking)
(Con)
Paisley,
Ian (North Antrim)
(DUP)
†
Pound,
Stephen (Ealing North)
(Lab)
†
Timpson,
Mr Edward (Crewe and Nantwich)
(Con)
†
Umunna,
Mr Chuka (Streatham)
(Lab)
†
Vaz,
Valerie (Walsall South)
(Lab)
†
Wright,
Jeremy (Lord Commissioner of Her Majesty's
Treasury)
Annette Toft,
Committee Clerk
† attended
the Committee
Third
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Monday 13
September
2010
[Mr
Charles Walker
in the
Chair]
Draft
Equality Act 2010 (Consequential Amendments, Saving and Supplementary
Provisions) Order
2010
4.30
pm
The
Minister for Equalities (Lynne Featherstone):
I beg to
move,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Equality Act 2010 (Consequential
Amendments, Saving and Supplementary Provisions) Order
2010.
The
main purpose of the order is to make the provisions of the Equality Act
2010 effective, in line with the Act’s primary objectives of
simplification and consistency. Before going into the detail of the
order, I emphasise to Members that the Government are well on track to
commence 90% or more of the Act on 1 October. That achievement will
confirm our commitment, which was evident when the Bill went through
Parliament, to the Act’s principles of fair and consistent
protection, and I hope that it will receive support from Members on
both sides of the House.
The changes
that the order makes fall into three broad categories. First, some of
the changes involve corrections or updates to the Equality Act. Article
3 of the order will amend section 87 of the Act, which enables the
Secretary of State to give directions, using powers set out in the
Education Act 1996, to require a school to comply with its duties not
to discriminate against pupils under section 85. The reason for the
amendment is to refer to the corresponding Scottish legislation, so
that the procedure will work for Scotland, as well as for England and
Wales.
Article
4 makes changes to section 94 of the Act. That section explains the
meaning of various terms used in chapter 2—on further and higher
education—in part 6, which is on education. The amendment is
needed to reflect the concerns of interested parties that there needs
to be a definition of “conferment” in the context of
awarding qualifications.
Article 5
makes changes to section 108 of the Act, which prohibits discrimination
after relations have ended. Subsection (4) of that section is intended
to replicate the existing law. Therefore, even if a person becomes
disabled after a relationship has ended, the duty to make a reasonable
adjustment still applies. However, the Act as currently drafted could
be interpreted as meaning that the duty arose only if the person
already had a disability when the relationship ended. The amendment
will simply put that right.
Articles 6
and 7 make changes to sections 132, 134 and 135 of the Act. Those
provisions cover, among other things, the period for calculating
arrears where successful claims are made with regard to equal pay or
pensions cases in Scotland, in the case of a person with an incapacity,
or in a situation involving fraud or error.
The effect of the amendment is that the five-year limit for calculating
arrears may be extended if the period includes time during which the
claimant suffered incapacity or was induced by the fraud or error not
to raise the claim, subject to a maximum reckonable period of
20 years. The amendments enable the provisions to work
correctly in Scotland and reflect the existing position under the Equal
Pay Act 1970.
Article 9
amends part 9 of schedule 3 to the Act to reproduce an amendment that
was made, after the Act received Royal Assent, to section 19 of the
Disability Discrimination Act 1995 by the Rail Passengers’
Rights and Obligations Regulations 2010. The provisions will restate in
the Equality Act provisions in the DDA that provide for exceptions to
the duty not to discriminate in relation to the provision of transport
services for disabled people. The amendment is needed to ensure that
the provisions of the Equality Act, when they come into force, are
exactly the same as the provisions in the DDA, which will be repealed.
I hope that I can reassure Members by emphasising that the amendment
will in no way reduce the rights of disabled people. It simply ensures
that there is no overlap between domestic equality legislation and
European transport legislation protecting the rights of disabled people
with regard to air and rail
transport.
Article
10 amends schedule 11 to the Equality Act, removing a reference to the
Learning and Skills Council, which was abolished just before the Act
was enacted. Articles 8 and 11 update certain provisions so that they
refer to EU law, rather than Community law; that is a result of the
Lisbon treaty coming into
force.
The
second category of amendments reflects adjustments that need to be made
to the public sector equality duties to reflect the introduction by the
Equality Act of new key concepts. The existing gender, race and
disability equality duties will be replaced in due course by the new
single public sector equality duty in sections 149 to 157 of the
Equality Act. Hon. Members will be aware that the Government are
carrying out a consultation on the specific duties, and the intention
is that the new equality duty will come into force in April 2011. The
Home Secretary made a written statement about that last week.
In the
meantime, the public sector equality duties in the Sex Discrimination
Act 1975, the Race Relations Act 1976 and the Disability Discrimination
Act 1995 need to be kept in force. However, the existing definitions of
sex, race and disability discrimination, victimisation and harassment
in those Acts are slightly different from those in the Equality Act.
Articles 14 to 16 of the order will therefore update the relevant
references to unlawful conduct in the existing equality duty provisions
to reflect the new terminology in the Equality Act. That will make it
easier for public authorities to operate, as they will be able to refer
to a single set of definitions for the public sector equality
duties.
Finally, the
last category of amendments, which makes up the bulk of the order, is
consequential amendments to other legislation. Those are set out in
schedules 1 and 2 of the order, which amend schedules 26 and
27 to the Act. There is a long list of changes; the vast majority of
them will either replace references to legislation that is to be
repealed, such as the Sex Discrimination Act 1975,
with a reference to the appropriate section in the Equality Act, or
repeal those references if there is no equivalent new
provision.
A
couple of provisions will also harmonise the law where it previously
applied inconsistently to different protected categories. Those
provisions are, first, the amendments to the Estate Agents Act 1979 in
proposed new paragraphs 4 to 6 set out in schedule 1 to the order.
Those will enable enforcement action to be taken where an estate agent
is found to have committed discrimination because of any protected
characteristic—not just as a result of sex and race
discrimination, as is currently the case. Secondly, the amendments to
the School Standards and Framework Act 1998 in paragraphs 44 to 47 in
schedule 1 of the order will enable school adjudicators, when taking a
decision, to take into account the non-discrimination duties of a
governing body or local authority in relation to all the protected
characteristics applicable to schools—not just in relation to
duties relating to sex, race and disability, as is currently the
case.
To
sum up, the overall effect of the order is minor and technical, and it
will therefore have only a very minor substantive impact. The order
will complete the process started by the Bill. The House of Lords
Select Committee on the Merits of Statutory Instruments and the Joint
Committee on Statutory Instruments have considered the order and
neither Committee wishes to draw any issue to the attention of either
this House or the House of Lords. The House of Lords considered and
agreed the order in Grand Committee on 26 July. The order is a
practical sign of the Government’s commitment to bringing the
Act into force. I commend the order to the
Committee.
4.38
pm
Meg
Hillier (Hackney South and Shoreditch) (Lab/Co-op):
It is
a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Walker. Her
Majesty’s official Opposition welcome the statutory instrument,
which, as the Minister rightly outlined, will ensure that the Equality
Bill—enacted in the last Parliament of a Labour
Government—is effective in law. We very much welcome the
Government’s support for the Act. As hon. Members will be aware,
the Equality Act received Royal Assent in April. It replaces, fully or
partly, nine pieces of legislation, and brings a consistency to law in
this area. The Minister mentioned simplification and, in a moment, I
shall touch on how we can ensure that the simplification in law works
for people on the ground.
The measure
is technical, and the Minister has set out some of those technical
points well. There are also, of course, differences in this area of law
in the different nations of the UK. The order reflects that and will
ensure that the relevant amendments are made to Scottish law, as well
as to the law in England and Wales; of course, the Act applies
throughout the United Kingdom. Different parts of the Act come into
force at different times, and part of the order’s purpose is to
ensure that the previous law can be maintained pending the full
implementation of sections of the Equality Act.
The Minister
mentioned simplification, and I would like to ask her a couple of
questions about that. The issue of guidance on the Equality Act is
explained in the explanatory memorandum; the Government give a
commitment to producing a rolling series of guidance on the legislation.
Will the Minister pledge that that will be done in plain English? The
Opposition are clear that the Act was not destined to become the
province only of lawyers and experts at the Equality and Human Rights
Commission. The Act is a real tool for ordinary people in our
constituencies who feel that they have had their rights, including
their equality rights, infringed, and they can use it to seek and gain
protection. It is important that people are aware of their rights, and
I would welcome a commitment from the Minister on that.
On the same
point, many small businesses will find it a struggle to get to grips
with the new law, because they will not have the necessary in-house
expertise. The cost of dealing with any breach could have a big impact,
particularly in the current climate. We want everyone to comply with
the law, so I hope that guidance will be available to
those—particularly individuals or smaller
organisations—who do not have in-house resources to advise
them.
How
many further orders are likely? There are many consequential amendments
before us, but will this order wrap things up, or are many others
likely to come down the line? It is important that we are aware of how
long it will take to implement the Act.
The Minister
mentioned consultation on the equality duty for public authorities.
Will she give us an idea of who she is consulting and what the full
timetable for that consultation is? This Government have pledged to
hold many reviews and consultations and have put in place various
stalling mechanisms for legislation. I accept it when the Minister says
that the Government are committed to the Act, but it is important that
we are sure that the consultation is proper and thorough, and that all
those who will benefit from it and feel its impact are properly
consulted.
Finally, and
importantly, there was much discussion of equal pay when the Act was
drafted and debated. In the end, the Labour Government chose to allow
companies with 250 or more employees the opportunity voluntarily to
provide evidence of equal pay, and they said that they would review the
situation in 2013. What plans does the Minister have on this important
issue? Three years seems a long time, but I suspect that 2013 will come
quite quickly. Will this Government uphold the previous
Government’s position? If so, will the Minister introduce an
order at some point to enforce action on equal pay if the voluntary
approach does not deliver the hoped-for
results?
4.42
pm
Lynne
Featherstone:
I forgot to say how pleased I am to serve
under your chairmanship, Mr Walker.
The hon. Lady
asked about guidance and codes for people and small businesses, and the
Government have made a good start on that. On 5 July, the Government
Equalities Office published five summary guides on the Act in
partnership with ACAS, the British Chambers of Commerce, the Equality
and Diversity Forum and Citizens Advice. The guides provide employers,
business, voluntary sector organisations, public sector organisations
and the public—the individuals the hon. Lady asked
about—with simple, straightforward information about the changes
made by the Act. Since then, seven quick-start guides on particular
aspects of the legislation have been published,
including on disability, positive action and carers, and a further dozen
or so are in preparation. The Equality and Human Rights Commission
published detailed guidance on equality law and good practice at the
end of July.
The
quick-start guides make it clear that one key purpose of the Act is to
create a single approach to discrimination against people with
different protected characteristics, and that the Act replaces most of
the previous discrimination legislation. We are in contact with EHRC.
The summary guides were published on 5 July, which is more than
12 weeks before the commencement of the Act’s main provisions on
1 October. That addresses the hon. Lady’s first three
points.
I now come to
consultation on specific duties. Let me deal with equal pay
commencement and the gender reporting provisions that are due to come
in in 2013 if the voluntary arrangement does not result in
organisations with 250 or more employees coming forward and improving
their behaviour. We are indeed considering how to proceed in the best
way for business and others affected by section 78 of the Act. It
should be remembered that that section was introduced by the previous
Government on the clear understanding that it would not be used before
2013. We are examining that at the moment and will make an announcement
in due
course.
Katy
Clark (North Ayrshire and Arran) (Lab):
The hon. Lady will
recall that in opposition she was strongly in favour of mandatory
equality audits. Some of her coalition partners were not so keen on any
kind of equality auditing. In the past, she has expressed concern about
whether a voluntary system will work. Will she give a personal
undertaking that she will be vigilant on the issue? It is more than 30
years since the equal pay legislation came into force and there is
still a very significant pay gap between men and women. Does the hon.
Lady agree that we need to ensure that the matter is monitored most
carefully and that speedy progress is
made?
Lynne
Featherstone:
I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention.
Indeed, I spent many happy hours during the passage of the Equality
Bill through the House discussing that very serious issue—the
pay gap that still exists nearly 40 years after the introduction of the
Equal Pay Act 1970. I do not know whether anyone has seen the film
“Made in Dagenham”, but that tells the story of where it
all began. This is an extremely important
issue.
As
I said to the hon. Member for Hackney South and Shoreditch, section 78
of the Equality Act is under discussion. The coalition agreement makes
it clear that that will not be the only answer to what has been a
persistent and insoluble problem. The coalition Government are
absolutely committed to narrowing the gender pay gap. It has many
causes and we need to use a range of approaches—for example,
extending the right to request flexible working, encouraging shared
parenting, and promoting flexible parenting leave. We shall be working
jointly with the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills on
those measures and we are considering what further measures would be
necessary.
Meg
Hillier:
I am delighted to hear all that, but the point
remains that there will be a crunch point in 2013. We hope that, by
then, many businesses and organisations will voluntarily have taken the
route of reporting on gender pay in their organisations, but if they
have not and push comes to shove, what will the Government’s
ultimate stance be on that? Lots of nice words about what other things
could be done are all very well, but Opposition Members will want to
see firm action to ensure that there are positive steps taken towards
equal pay in this
country.
Lynne
Featherstone:
I appreciate that the hon. Lady wants to
press the point, but I remind Opposition Members that the fact that the
system remained voluntary under the Equality Bill was, in my view, a
serious error; as for asking companies to come forward voluntarily, we
have not, as far as I am aware, seen an awful lot of progress so far. I
also remember that Labour Members failed to adopt representative
action, the hypothetical comparator and other measures that might have
helped to further the cause. I have said to the hon. Lady that we will
produce proposals for narrowing the gap, and will announce what we
intend to do about gender pay
reporting.
Katy
Clark:
Will the hon. Lady give
way?
Lynne
Featherstone:
One more
time.
Katy
Clark:
I strongly welcome the comments that the hon. Lady
has just made. Will she now look at what improvements can be made to
equal pay law, so that amendments and legislation can be brought in to
introduce steps such as representative actions and class actions, or to
deal with some of the technical defences available to employers under
equal pay legislation that make it incredibly difficult for individual
women to bring a successful equal pay
case?
Lynne
Featherstone:
At this point in time, we are examining a
whole range of matters, but I am not planning to revisit those issues
in the near future, in terms of changing the law. My purpose now is to
narrow the gender pay gap, with the commitment that the coalition
Government have
made.
Let
me move on to the consultation on specific duties. The hon. Member for
Hackney South and Shoreditch asked whom we would be consulting on the
specific duty. The consultation ends on 10 November, and we are
consulting public authorities, charities, third-sector organisations
and the equality lobby. I hope that that answers the points that were
made.
I
am grateful for the co-operation shown, and for the constructive and
interesting, albeit short, debate that we have had on the order.
Although the order in itself does not raise major substantive issues
and is more of a technical device, it forms part of the overall
commencement package to bring the great majority of the Act into force
on 1 October. That commencement package includes various statutory
instruments subject to the negative procedure that have been laid
before the House, either before or after the recess. In some cases, the
passage of those instruments remains subject to the scrutiny of
the House.
The one
remaining piece of the jigsaw will be the main commencement order,
which we shall publish as soon as possible following this debate,
assuming that the House approves this order. The October commencement
package and this order reaffirm the Government’s commitment to
the objectives of the Equality Act 2010, and carry forward the
achievement that the House so
recently attained when the Bill was enacted, with real benefits for
those
concerned.
Question
put and agreed
to.
4.51
pm
Committee
rose.