The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Chair:
Mr
Charles Walker
†
Ali,
Rushanara (Bethnal Green and Bow)
(Lab)
Dodds,
Mr Nigel (Belfast North)
(DUP)
†
Hendrick,
Mark (Preston)
(Lab/Co-op)
†
Hopkins,
Kelvin (Luton North)
(Lab)
†
Lefroy,
Jeremy (Stafford)
(Con)
†
McGovern,
Alison (Wirral South)
(Lab)
†
Morris,
David (Morecambe and Lunesdale)
(Con)
†
O'Brien,
Mr Stephen (Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for International
Development)
Sheerman,
Mr Barry (Huddersfield)
(Lab/Co-op)
†
Smith,
Miss Chloe (Norwich North)
(Con)
†
Smith,
Henry (Crawley)
(Con)
†
Smith,
Julian (Skipton and Ripon)
(Con)
†
Williams,
Roger (Brecon and Radnorshire)
(LD)
Alison Groves, Committee
Clerk
† attended the
Committee
European
Committee
B
Monday
24 January
2011
[Mr
Charles Walker
in the
Chair]
Cotonou
Agreement
[Relevant
documents:
European Union Documents Nos. 9014/10,
12664/10 and
15954/10.]
4.30
pm
The
Chair:
Does a member of the European Scrutiny Committee
wish to make a brief explanatory statement about the decision to refer
the relevant documents to the Committee? I shall take that as a no, so
I call the Minister to make his opening
statement.
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for International Development
(Mr Stephen O'Brien):
Thank you, Mr Walker; I am delighted
to be here
today.
The
European Scrutiny Committee has requested that we examine the outcome
of the second revision of the Cotonou agreement, which was agreed in
2010. In addition, the Committee has noted interest in the use of
article 96 procedures that have resulted in the suspension of aid to
Niger and Madagascar, and the accession of Equatorial Guinea
to the Cotonou
agreement.
The
Cotonou agreement is a guiding framework for the European
Union’s engagement with some 79 African, Caribbean and Pacific
states, which are usually known as the ACP. It has evolved to reflect
changing relationships between the EU and ACP countries, but has always
continued to focus on sustainable development, poverty reduction and
genuine partnership. Contonou provides the parameters for programming
the European development fund and the important channelling of money to
some of the poorest countries in the world, including countries where
the United Kingdom bilateral programmes are not present and the
Department for International Development therefore does not have a
presence on the
ground.
As
part of my Department’s ongoing and thorough review of all our
multilateral aid, which will be made public in the next few months, the
EDF is coming out as one of the most effective, flexible and
poverty-focused of all our multilateral aid instruments. It is also
closely aligned to United Kingdom priorities and supports both
Commonwealth countries and the UK’s overseas
territories.
Negotiations
on the second revision of the Cotonou agreement were completed in June
2010 in Burkina Faso, and parties on both sides have now signed it. The
next step will be the ratification phase during which both Houses will
have the opportunity to discuss that important agreement and the
changes that were made during its second revision. When Cotonou was
first revised, it was updated to include references to the
International Criminal Court and strong messages on the importance of
the millennium development goals. Those changes were discussed by the
House during the ratification process, and the second revision builds
on them. For example, it will change the Cotonou agreement’s
trade provisions to bring them into line with the introduction
of economic partnership agreements—EPAs—supporting deeper
trade relations between the ACP and the EU, and to bring those into
line with the rules of the World Trade
Organisation.
There
are also some important new references to key challenges such as
climate change and HIV/AIDS, as well as a recognition of the 2008 food
crisis, which is reflected in stronger provisions on food security and
agriculture. The second revision also attempts to set out a clearer
process for invoking the final imposition of article 96 measures, which
apply when fundamental principles of human rights, democracy and rule
of laws are breached. Work is under way in Brussels to improve the
process further. We strongly support a clearer process that will bring
about a consistent and fairer approach for all concerned
parties.
Let
me refer briefly to the explanatory memorandum on Madagascar submitted
by my right hon. Friend the Minister for Europe, which the European
Scrutiny Committee has tagged to the debate. Following a coup in March
2009, and subsequent lack of progress in reaching a consensual
solution, the EU closed article 96 consultations with Madagascar in
June 2010. That formally suspended all development funding, although
humanitarian aid remains
unaffected.
The
closure of article 96 consultations enabled the EU to press the
relevant parties in Madagascar to find a solution and demonstrated that
Europe does not support unconstitutional transfers of power in Africa.
The EU will not resume development funding until a solution has been
reached. In the meantime, we support efforts led by the African Union
and SADC—the Southern African Development Community—to
resolve the current situation. That is a demonstration of article 96
procedures working effectively. However, more needs to be done to
ensure that they are applied properly and fairly, and we will continue
to work with our partners in Europe to achieve precisely
that.
With
reference to the second explanatory memorandum tagged to the debate,
following the coup d’état of last February, Niger is on a
delicate course to political recovery. Independent bodies to oversee
the electoral mechanism have been established, and a new constitution
reflecting democratic principles was adopted in November 2010.
Parliamentary and presidential elections are at least scheduled to take
place shortly—on 31 January. The transition is expected to
culminate in the appointment of a civilian President in April 2011. We
are monitoring the process carefully and will keep the European
Scrutiny Committee
updated.
Finally,
I am aware that some concerns have been expressed in the other place
about the observer status afforded to Equatorial Guinea ahead of its
ratification of the Cotonou agreement. This is a procedural issue with
a clear legal basis in the rules of procedure. The European Commission
has received assurances that Equatorial Guinea will ratify the treaty.
If granted, the country’s observer status will expire on 30
April and will not be
extended.
I
hope I have addressed some of the matters that might concern hon.
Members. We will continue to press for accountability and transparency
in EU aid, including through a robust approach to tackling corruption
and addressing human rights abuses. I look forward to hearing the views
of the Committee and further discussion of the
issues.
The
Chair:
We now have until 5.30 pm for questions to the
Minister. I remind Members that questions should be brief. Subject to
my discretion, it is open to Members to ask related supplementary
questions.
Rushanara
Ali (Bethnal Green and Bow) (Lab):
It is a pleasure to
have the opportunity to take part in these proceedings, not least
because this is my first such Committee sitting. I welcome you to the
Chair, Mr Walker, and I thank the Minister for his
contribution.
When
the Cotonou agreement was introduced under the previous Government, it
marked an important step towards strengthening multilateral
partnerships between the EU and ACP countries in the pursuit of
reducing and eventually eradicating global poverty. I shall ask a few
questions, starting with the subject of climate
change.
As
the Minister said, the agreement places more emphasis and importance on
climate change for the first time by putting it at the centre of the
partnership. He is aware of deep concern about the vulnerability of
many Pacific island states to climate change. Will he update us on the
role of climate finance in meeting the new obligations to support ACP
countries’ efforts in mitigating and adapting to the effects of
climate
change?
Mr
O'Brien:
I thank the hon. Lady for her kind remarks and
welcome her to her first such sitting. These Committees always take on
a somewhat interesting character compared with some of the processes we
are used
to.
The
hon. Lady is right that the Cotonou agreement was first promulgated
under the previous Administration. It was a successor to the
Lomé convention, which came into being in the ’60s and
served well in post-colonial times. Cotonou was a welcome update to
reflect modern circumstances. It has been the subject of one revision,
and now there is a second
one.
On
the hon. Lady’s particular concerns about climate change, she is
right that we must recognise that tackling climate change is crucial
for development, not least for African, Caribbean and Pacific
countries. Climate change will have a disproportionate effect on the
poorest peoples of the world. It affects not only islands in the
Pacific, but those in oceans such as the Indian ocean—the
Maldives comes to mind—so there are serious
challenges.
The
hon. Lady welcomed the stronger statement on the global challenge of
climate change in the revised Cotonou agreement, but she asked about
climate finance in particular. I assure her that the UK has provided
£511.7 million of fast-start climate finance to multilateral
funds in 2010-11. We will consider funding for the adaptation fund in
due course on the basis of the outcome of DFID’s
bilateral and multilateral aid reviews—as the hon. Lady is
aware, those reviews are well under way, and we will report on them as
soon as they conclude later in the year—and the wider spending
decisions of the international climate
fund.
In
addition, the recent Cancun conference agreed to establish a green
climate fund to support policies and activities in developing
countries. The UK will support the fund’s development and will
make decisions on its funding on the basis of its capacity to deliver.
As the hon. Lady will recall from International Development questions
not long ago, those decisions are not yet made, but there has certainly
been progress towards
specifics. The European Commission recently signed a memorandum of
understanding with the Pacific Islands Forum, which will fund further
climate adaptation initiatives, particularly in the
Pacific.
As
the hon. Lady has focused on finance, I should, with your indulgence,
Mr Walker—I assume that your indication that there should be
short questions also applies to short answers, although this is not one
of them—give a complete answer. In negotiations over the next EU
financial perspective, we will press for a greater proportion of the
EU’s contribution to climate finance for developing countries to
be delivered via the EU budget. That would increase the certainty of
financial flows to recipients, effectively pool resources across
Europe, utilise economies of scale and improve the average quality of
EU climate
spending.
Roger
Williams (Brecon and Radnorshire) (LD):
The Foresight
report on the global food production challenge, which affects many of
the countries involved in the agreement, was published today. The
Minister and officials in his Department will probably not yet have
been able to read and respond to the report, although the theme will be
familiar to them. What priority will be given under the agreement and
in the work of the Department to providing agricultural advice for
those
countries?
Mr
O'Brien:
The hon. Gentleman raises a very important point.
He is quite right to cite the Foresight report, which was jointly
commissioned by my Department and the Department for Environment, Food
and Rural Affairs. At its launch event tomorrow, I dare say that I will
be even better briefed on it than I am now. I have been involved in a
number of the report’s meetings, however, so I am well sighted,
as it
were.
It
is pretty well assured that population growth is projected to rise
towards 9.5 billion by 2050, so the question is whether the world will
be able to feed itself in a sustainable way. The broad answer is that
that is possible, provided that the right foods are grown in the right
places at the right time with the right distribution, the right cost
base and the right predictability. However, those ifs and
conditionalities spell out the scale of the problem, which was well
reported on the radio this morning, as the hon. Gentleman no doubt
heard.
I
assure the hon. Gentleman that negotiations for this revision in the
Cotonou agreement reflected the fact that the primary focus for
participation in it is not only good development through the EDF, but
private sector development that is focused on agriculture, which
involves the largest number of poorest people in economic activity.
That is fundamental to ensuring that those people have access to the
necessary assistance and support in a sustainable
way.
Kelvin
Hopkins (Luton North) (Lab):
It is a pleasure to serve
under your chairmanship for the first time, Mr Walker, and I
look forward to many more such occasions. I congratulate my hon. Friend
the Member for Bethnal Green and Bow on her first appearance on the
Front Bench in such a
Committee.
The
agreement refers to human rights, democratic principles and the rule of
law. To what extent are those principles being pressed strongly by the
European Union, and how strongly has Britain been pressing the European
Union on that?
Mr
O'Brien:
I know that the hon. Gentleman takes a continuing
and very keen interest in these matters. The issue of human rights has
been fundamental to the operation of article 96, and was very much the
subject of discussions that took place on the second
revision.
Political
dialogue overarches the issues on which the hon. Gentleman focuses, and
the way in which article 8 operates on political dialogue is obviously
subject to change through the revised version of the Cotonou agreement.
The provisions have been strengthened to ensure that dialogue can be
more productive. There is explicit provision for a role for regional
bodies including the African Union. We hope that that will be a key
influence in resolving the current Côte d’Ivoire
situation, along with ECOWAS, the regional economic body.
Article 8 also makes explicit reference to aid
effectiveness, climate change and regional integration, as well as
including a more explicit reference to dialogue on human
rights.
Pressure
for such references was fundamental to the EU’s red lines, as
the hon. Gentleman will see from the explanatory memorandums that have
been tagged on to this debate. One of the issues was the
acceptable—or unacceptable—position reached on the
progress of human rights in relation to countries that are either
excluded through article 96, or that might be brought back in through
article 96. There is no doubt that significant pressure on human rights
issues continues. When there have been difficulties in the
negotiations, the wording and phraseology in other international
agreements that apply to all countries have been used to overcome any
particular difficulties in the Cotonou
agreement.
Kelvin
Hopkins:
I thank the Minister for his answer. On human
rights, I understand there was a special reference to sexual
orientation, which is a sensitive matter in many countries where it is
not common to take the appropriate attitude to such matters that we now
have in Britain. It appears that a compromise was found on the basis of
language in the universal declaration of human rights. How—if at
all—are we pressing the matter with countries that perhaps do
not behave well towards people of minority sexual
orientation?
Mr
O'Brien:
The hon. Gentleman quite rightly picked up my
allusion to the compromise that took place during the discussions on
article 8 to which I referred. He therefore highlights the particular
issue that was at stake. He is quite right that there was strong
resistance from the ACP to an explicit reference to discrimination on
the grounds of sexual preference. However, we were able to ensure the
inclusion of a reference to “discrimination of any kind”,
which in practice will have the same impact. Of course, we argued
strongly for the inclusion of language on sexual preferences, but that
was patently a red line for the ACP states. As the hon. Gentleman
rightly indicates, the language reflects a compromise. It is not as
strong or as explicit as we would have liked, but it none the less
gives the right overall protection, albeit not with the explicit
reference that he
mentioned.
Jeremy
Lefroy (Stafford) (Con):
It is a pleasure to serve under
you, Mr Walker. Will the Minister kindly explain the
Government’s position on the pressure, which has come from some
quarters, to move the European development fund into the main EU
budget? I would
strongly resist that, as the EDF gives contributors like us a much
greater say over where it goes, particularly in relation to the relief
of
poverty.
Mr
O’
Brien:
I am most grateful to my hon.
Friend, who does nothing other than to reinforce the steel with which
we wish to remain determined to seek to resist the budgetisation of the
European development fund. The UK, as a matter of policy, remains
opposed to budgetisation of the EDF, as it considers the fund to be the
most effective, flexible and poverty-focused of the EU’s
external instruments. Within the UK’s share of EDF, which is now
close to the UK’s share of the EU general budget,
it is unlikely that the UK would stand to save money
as a result of EDF budgetisation. So, even on rather clinical
accountancy or audit grounds, that justification appears to be
thin.
It
is worth noting that a higher proportion of EDF resources go to
low-income countries—85% compared with 43% of the overall EU
budget—which has always struck me as a compelling position. With
their increasing developmental impact, it is clear how strong the EDF
projects are, because they have been scored as good performers in 2009
compared with 2007. If my hon. Friend is interested, I have the precise
figures.
As
I pointed out earlier in response to the hon. Member for Bethnal Green
and Bow, the report on our evaluation of the multilateral aid review
will come out a little later in the year. It is worth saying, however,
that, in the way that we have scored it, EDF has faired relatively well
so far. That in itself is also a good reason as to why we should not
seek to dilute that effectiveness when it has clearly outpaced what
would appear to be the broader EU budget element of development spend,
let alone non-development
spend.
Kelvin
Hopkins:
Pursuing that matter of budgets and aid, I have
raised many times in such Committees, as others have done before me,
that the problem is that we consider European aid as being delivered
less efficiently and targeted less well than aid provided directly by
our Government. Will the Minister comment on whether things have
improved in that respect and on whether we are happier with the way
that aid is delivered through the European
Union?
Mr
O’
Brien:
We need to draw a distinction
between the EDF and the non-EDF development spend that goes from the
EU, in which the UK, and the UK taxpayer in particular, is a
significant contributor. The EDF, as I was explaining, scores
relatively well. Although we call it flexible in relation to other
instruments, we, of course, have some residual concerns about a degree
of inflexibility, which we want to examine. Most importantly, the
comparison has to be with our bilateral spend and whether we would be
better off simply holding on to all the money and spending it
bilaterally in accordance with our
decisions.
The
sheer size and strong poverty focus of the EDF make it critical in
helping us to deliver on the MDGs, which was reinforced by the MDG
summit that took place last September, and on poverty reduction. It
shares many of the UK’s development-strategic priorities, and it
brings member states together to pool efforts and
to promote a better EU division of labour, which is not to be
underestimated when one is looking at transactions and establishment
costs.
Having
had the opportunity to travel in a number of the African countries in
which DFID has programmes and, therefore, offices, I have noted that
there are some areas where the EU’s established presence is the
one that we should link in behind, rather than in front of. That is a
clear demonstration of a sensible EU division of labour, which is also
sensible for the recipient countries, which must have relations with
each of those that have a presence. The EU and DFID already operate
several joint
programmes.
As
I said earlier, we are in the final stages of the comprehensive
multilateral aid review, but I must say that the EDF fits well with our
objectives. It is poverty-focused and is a good model of partnership.
Other EU development instruments are somewhat less focused—not
least on MDGs—and the demonstration of delivery is not as
clear.
I
will, of course, update the Committee and the hon. Gentleman once we
have further reports of our evaluation under the multilateral aid
review. At this stage, however, I hope that that is a pretty clear
summary of where the relative merits, on a comparator basis, are
beginning to come
out.
Rushanara
Ali:
May I turn to the subject of trade? Part 3, articles
35 and 36 of the agreement recognise the importance of aid for trade.
That is the capacity building of ACP countries to make the transition
from preferential trade
to
“World
Trade Organisation (WTO) compatible ‘Economic Partnership
Agreements’”.
The
agreement also states that those countries should adapt their
industries and markets and
increase
“regional
integration and South-South
trade.”
Given
the continuing downturn in the international economy, what specific
steps is the UK taking to ensure that that is
happening?
Mr
O’
Brien:
I could give rather a long answer
to that question. I shall try very hard to adhere to your strictures,
Mr Walker, but I welcome the timely and important
question.
On
trade, over time there needs to be access to world markets. The most
significant thing that could happen in trade terms is that we
successfully conclude the Doha round and get a new world trade
agreement. The economic partnership agreements, to which the hon. Lady
referred, are instruments that the EU can use to help open up not only
African markets, but their access to EU markets. There is a certain
time by which access to European markets is made available, but ACP
states do not have to comply with equal terms of trade until a later
time. She will be aware of that without my going into the detail and
taking up too much of the Committee’s
time.
We
are clear that ensuring that lower-income countries are able to play
their full part in international trade has to be central to our policy,
and, equally, the EU’s policy, of driving growth and, therefore,
reducing poverty. The greatest deliverers of people out of poverty over
time are private sector development, the growth of economic activity
and internal, regional and international trade.
So we must provide appropriate levels of assistance to overcome the
supply-side constraints of trade, including improvements to the customs
procedures, infrastructure and logistics challenges that poor countries
face when trading. The EPAs have been instrumental in helping us along
that path. A lot more work is being done, but, clearly, that is the
framework in which we
operate.
Rushanara
Ali:
I thank the Minister for that answer. My final
question is on tax. Part 2, article 33 of the agreement focuses
on
“enhancing
capacities for domestic revenue management, including building of
effective, efficient and sustainable tax
systems”.
It
also focuses
on
“supporting
implementation of international best practices in tax matters,
including the principle of transparency and exchange of
information”.
What
steps are the Government taking to honour the coalition agreement
commitment to making every effort to tackle tax avoidance? Could the
Minister confirm whether that is being done through the multilateral
and automatic exchange of tax information between tax jurisdictions,
thereby tackling the secrecy of offshore tax havens, and through the
development of a new international accounting standard that requires
companies to report on profits they have made in every country in which
they
operate?
Mr
O’
Brien:
I am interested in the hon.
Lady’s question. The conditionality of my answer has to be that,
as a development Minister, I feel that I have the requisite information
to give an answer only on those countries that would be in receipt of
development assistance; I cannot speak for any other countries that
might be termed offshore but are not in receipt of development
assistance. I would have to defer to Ministers in other Departments for
an answer on such countries that would satisfy
her.
I
start by absolutely assuring the hon. Lady that it is not only the UK
Government’s priority, as stated in the coalition agreement, to
build capacity for local revenues to be able to raise the taxes. She is
well aware that a number of influential non-governmental organisations
have been pressing on that particular aspect to ensure that there is no
flight capital or leakage and that there is further encouragement of
remittances, which help developing countries to start complementing
aid, so that such countries are on a genuine path to graduation from
aid over time, rather than in a rhetorical
narrative.
On
the plus side, it is vital that we do our best. There are certain
countries where the EU is in the lead and is able to do it more
effectively than we are. I can certainly give two examples where DFID
has in recent times helped the building of capacity and revenue
systems. One is Rwanda, where I have seen it for myself. That is
supported on the ground by other complementary programmes, such as
building land tenure. In a country of 1,000 hills with terraces, at
long last there is the security of knowing that—thanks to a
piece of paper, aerial mapping, the ability to register it and go
through a complaints procedure—one can show title to
land.
Therefore,
people have the ability to grow more of better quality, to be part of
the demand drive and to have access to markets. Nine times out of 10,
it is women who will benefit more. It helps us to be women
and girls-centric in terms of policy, as we have often repeated. That
tenure can be potential collateral, giving people the chance to have an
enterprise that can yield tax and help the Exchequer of a country. That
is part of the graduation from aid. The same is true in Burundi, where
they have had even greater challenges. The EU has very much been able
to help in areas where it has taken a lead. It has been in partnership
in Tanzania and equally—and importantly at the moment—in
Somaliland, which is why an integral part of Somalia has recently been
able to undergo a constitutional change of its president, and look at
some of the tax-raising effects there.
In looking at
international best practice and transparency, none of these projects is
designed in a way that is anything other than fully transparent. That
is in the interests of the confidence the international community can
have, both through the EU and bilaterally in supporting development
assistance, and through the use of our taxpayers’ money in the
programmes that we are focused on. It is equally important as part of
the transparency we have talked about, in ensuring that we can grow
demand in the countries in which we are partners. Particularly through
the growth of short message service technology, there is an increasing
amount of transparency in the money that has been received. Therefore,
the local people make demands on their governments to be accountable
for the way that money is spent and the way it is raised through
taxation.
We do not
want to do anything that would reduce capacity building and ensuring
compliance with the multilateral and automatic exchange of information,
as well as international accounting standards. Article 33 has been
revised to include a strong focus on support for domestic
revenue-raising through enhanced tax administration. That article
promotes the participation in international tax co-operation processes
and compliance, as I was just saying, with international standards. If
the hon. Lady feels that I have not quite tackled the full range of her
question—I admitted at the beginning that I could not—I
am happy to commission a cross-departmental letter to fill her in on
those bits I have not been able to help her
with.
David
Morris (Morecambe and Lunesdale) (Con):
Part 4, article
72a—objective—on page 38,
states:
“c)
carry out short term rehabilitation and reconstruction to enable the
victims to benefit from a minimum of socio-economic integration and, as
soon as possible, create the conditions for a resumption of development
on the basis of long term objectives set by the AGP countries and
regions
concerned;”.
Yes,
that is a short-term minimum. What would happen if there were an
unprecedented natural disaster, such as the tsunami? Would there be a
further fund available, and would the cost to the UK be
great?
Mr
O
’
Brien:
The process by which the EDF
focuses attention is very much through the rounds. We are currently in
round 10—EDF 10—focusing on submissions from candidate
countries for the financing of various projects. Therefore, the sort of
circumstances rightly highlighted by my hon. Friend need to be
disaggregated between those subject to more predictable project funding
and those funding humanitarian emergency relief. On
the humanitarian side, for emergency relief, even under article 96 a
country can be suspended. The humanitarian aid continues, however,
because we want to ensure that we give the greatest relief to the
greatest number of the most needy and poorest people.
Frequently,
however, we are not addressing poverty, but the often short-term
circumstances. Other issues must complement that, not least where money
is raised, for example, in this country, where trust law itself must be
part of the protection. Through the Charities Aid Foundation, people
made tremendous contributions to help after the tsunami, but there was
a much longer period before that money was released. There are rightly
questions concerning accountability and about how well that money has
been managed, released and targeted.
I assure my
hon. Friend that provisions have been introduced regarding the Cotonou
agreement. It puts programming obligations and expectations upon ACP
national Governments to introduce greater flexibility to respond to
what are known as unforeseen needs at regional level, in what are known
as B envelopes within the European development fund. They must also
have the flexibility to increase allocations in response to crisis
situations. I am getting horribly close to using jargon, which I have
done my utmost to avoid, but my hon. Friend is obviously so well
briefed that he will understand what I mean by A and B envelopes. I
indicated that the greater emphasis on humanitarian emergency and
post-emergency assistance financing, under the multilateral annual
financial framework, is addressed in article 72.
To be clear,
in a current example, Haiti would be in a B envelope. How is the EU
helping to address the challenges that Haiti unquestionably continues
to face? The European Commission has pledged €522 million
towards its reconstruction. It was the largest provider of general
budget support to that country in the fiscal year 2009-10, committing
€322 million and disbursing €61 million so
far. That allowed the Haitian Government to maintain critical
expenditure in education, health, security and other areas. I can
provide more detail for my hon. Friend if necessary, but I hope that
that gives him a flavour.
Jeremy
Lefroy:
Does my hon. Friend think that, through the
Lomé convention, the European Union is sufficiently serious
about pressing developing ACP members on two things that he and the
hon. Member for Bethnal Green and Bow have raised? First, on increased
tax revenue collection, from my experience some countries, such as
Rwanda, are making good progress. Others, however, are pushing in some
directions but may be reluctant to squeeze their own
citizens—particularly the wealthy and well connected
ones.
Secondly,
does the Minister believe that, through the Cotonou agreement, the EU
will give sufficient impetus to breaking down south-south trade
barriers? Often it is far easier to export from a developing country to
a developed one than from a developing one to its next door
neighbour.
Mr
O’
Brien:
I shall take the second aspect of
that question first, if I may. Only last week, I visited Zambia and
crossed the land border to Malawi, for two days each. Both
countries—particularly Zambia—have strong
commodity opportunities, as well as products and volumes. One of the
most striking things that I noticed was how often the trade of such
commodities is well beyond their contiguous neighbours and the
south-south trade, as my hon. Friend rightly said.
Breaking
down barriers between the economic regional entities is one of the
biggest issues, which concerns SADC, and to some degree the east
African community, in particular. It is also vital to recognise that
one of the greatest economic opportunities is private sector
development, which we are seeking to achieve. My hon. Friend will be
aware that my Department is particularly focused on that, in addition
to bearing down on avoidable and treatable disease, focusing on women
and children’s health, and avoiding the most off-track MDGs on
maternal mortality. Foreign direct investment is a particular type of
confidence that is required in order for private sector development to
take place, which is all part of the dialogue.
One
of the biggest wins is in ensuring economic regional integration. A
great example would be Rwanda, which could be at the very heart of
something that will stretch from Mombasa to Durban, through the
north-south corridor. Increasingly, those regional economic groupings
are focusing on that, and I am very pleased to say that the EU, through
the European Commission—with its expertise in cross-border
discussion and negotiation—is also recognising and focusing on
that. Clearly, the regional integration efforts in Africa will help the
south-south trade.
On
my hon. Friend’s first point, on taxation, he will have heard my
answer to the hon. Member for Bethnal Green and Bow. On tax revenue
collection, he referred to Lomé, which has been succeeded by
Cotonou in its various guises. A good example of that issue would be my
recent discussions in Ghana, where for the first time they have landed
oil at Cape Three Points. The question will be how they structure their
law and regulation such that, rather than necessarily wanting to simply
extract the oil themselves—history would indicate that it will
always be more effective to buy in that skill—the leverage of
that revenue stream, whether it is a sovereign fund or some other form
of funding mechanism, can be used in the wider economy, to penetrate
the north and to deepen activities, not least in agriculture. Tax
revenue collection is absolutely vital.
One
of the problems is not so much flight capital, but whether there is
sufficient confidence to encourage remittances and for people with
skills to come back and take part. In Africa, Ghana may well be one of
the best candidates for graduation from aid within our immediate
political timeline. I hope that that demonstrates that we are committed
to recognising that not only is tax revenue collection fundamental, but
that it brings with it a whole host of governance, economic management
and public financial management issues, which enable a culture of good
governance, an absence of corruption and an absence of impunity to
ensure that all citizens are helped, and that the most wealthy do not
have a
pass.
The
Chair:
If no more Members want to ask questions, we will
proceed to the debate on the motion.
Motion
made, and Question
proposed,
That
the Committee takes note of European Union Document Second Revision of
the Cotonou Agreement – Agreement Consolidated Text March 2010
and supports this important revision of the key principles supporting
implementation of the broader development agenda between the EU and the
ACP countries.—(Mr
O’Brien.)
5.12
pm
Rushanara
Ali:
I thank hon. Members for their contributions to an
extremely informative debate. I thank the Minister for his responses. I
also thank the European Scrutiny Committee for referring the Cotonou
agreement to this Committee for wider debate. It provides an important
opportunity to make sure that the agreement remains relevant in a
rapidly changing international and ACP-EU
context.
The
agreement is focused on development co-operation, economic and trade
co-operation and the political dimension. If we are to achieve the
objective of reducing and eventually eradicating poverty in ACP
countries, we must ensure that the implementation of the agreement is
our focus and that the key areas of action are strengthened. While the
agreement is not without shortcomings, it is a partnership contract and
therefore unique in the current development and aid architecture. It
marks a valuable and timely evolution in the relationship between the
EU and the ACP, bringing together 105 states, which is no small
achievement. We must ensure that it achieves what it sets out to do and
that in years to come it is credited as being an important
international agreement, which genuinely made a positive difference to
development and the advancement of ACP
countries.
As
was mentioned earlier, the UK has led the way in international
development over the past decade, working towards tackling global
poverty. The previous Labour Government placed development at the heart
of its international agenda, through its bilateral and multilateral
relations. As Labour Members of this Committee, we welcome the
agreement as an achievement of the previous Government’s
leadership in international development. We encourage this Government
to engage actively in the EU to ensure that all member states can play
a strong and positive leadership role in international
development.
The
challenges to tackling global poverty could not be greater. Almost all
developing countries have been affected by the global financial and
economic crisis. The World Bank estimated that the financial and
economic crisis had pushed about 64 million more people into extreme
poverty by the end of last year. It is therefore crucial that revisions
under the agreement add teeth and recognise the greater challenges that
many ACP countries face.
We welcome
the emphasis under the revised agreement on the areas of climate
change, human rights, democracy and good governance, trade and tax. We
also welcome the emphasis on the strengthening of the important role of
national Parliaments, local authorities, civil society and the private
sector; the focus on regional integration by political dialogue, which
has been reinforced through the African Union becoming a partner of the
ACP-EU Joint Parliamentary Assembly; the emphasis on the increased
flexibility to respond to crisis situations, which has focused on
humanitarian emergency and post-emergency assistance financing, and the
funding to
ACP countries from the European development fund, which still retains
the explicit link to human rights and democracy as discussed
earlier.
I
wish to thank the European Scrutiny Committee for referring the
Madagascar and Niger decisions to the Committee. That illustrates the
importance of human rights obligations and good governance under the
agreement. However, we must recognise—as with all international
agreements—that there remain some opportunities as well as
challenges that require ongoing action. They include the increasing
differentiation between the needs and expectations of the various
regions within the ACP; the emerging and growing importance of the
African Union as a partner for the EU; and ensuring that ACP countries
that are particularly vulnerable to climate change receive the support
they need—as and I and other members of the Committee have
mentioned recently in relation to mitigating and adapting to the
effects of climate
change.
The
jury is still out as to whether some ACP countries have yet the
capacity to respond to the new WTO-compatible economic partnerships. As
we discussed earlier, some NGOs continue to have concerns about the
dangers of reciprocal trade with powerful EU multinational companies.
That said, we fully support the revisions of the agreement and, I
hope—whatever the views of members of the Committee about
European integration—we can all agree that effective
multilateralism is vital to tackling global
poverty.
5.17
pm
Kelvin
Hopkins
:
I have spoken on such matters before and I
shall perhaps repeat some of what I have said. Many years ago, I was
asked by a hostile questioner what I thought of the revised terms of
the Lomé agreement in front of an audience that did not know
what the Lomé agreement was. I did broadly know, but I did not
know the revised terms. However, I managed to busk my way through by
explaining what the Lomé agreement was mainly about.
We have now
moved on, but at the beginning the Lomé agreement was not very
benign and what the European Union was clearly trying to do at the time
was to keep out products that might compete with its own industries,
particularly agriculture. High-value-added products were kept out of
the European Union. We imported primary products rather than
manufactured products. That was done deliberately to the advantage of
the developed European Union and against the interests of those
countries that were struggling to develop. It was very
noticeable.
I
am certainly the oldest Member in the room. I remember all the formerly
colonial countries becoming independent. Some of them had relatively
low levels of development and some were very poor. However, some
developed rapidly while others did not, and we are now seeing,
particularly in Africa, countries that were perhaps comparable with
Malaysia all those years ago, but which are now lagging way behind. It
is not their fault that such things have happened and, had they pursued
another economic ideology, they might have been more
successful.
In recent
years, the developed world has been forcing a neo-liberal ideology on
to the poorer countries of the world, saying that they must compete in
markets while restricting access for their goods to our markets. If I
was in one of those countries, I would feel
resentful.
I
have said, as many other people have, that buying European Union sugar
in Malawi, in a country that can easily produce its own sugar given the
opportunity, was complete nonsense. EU sugar was clearly being dumped
in poor countries, undermining their agriculture, and that was an
iniquity. There are lots of other abuses as well. Forcing all those
countries to accept trade, goods and services from the developed world
while restricting access to our markets was
wrong.
Roger
Williams:
The hon. Gentleman has picked a bad example by
citing the old EU sugar regime. That involved buying sugar from ACP
countries at more than the world price and selling it on the world
market at less than the world price—it was an EU subsidy to aid
underdeveloped countries. I follow what he is saying, but he has picked
a bad
example.
Kelvin
Hopkins:
They are past examples, and that does not happen
now. Nevertheless, all poorer countries had a difficult time. There was
one case of west African countries providing timber for the European
furniture industry. They wanted to machine and part-manufacture in
their own countries, but the European Union said that it just wanted
the timber, which was the low added-value component of production. We
therefore did not help those countries as we should have
done.
The
focus is now on overcoming and eradicating poverty in poorer countries,
which is absolutely right. I like to think that the European Union and
other developed countries will now be much more open about what poorer
countries need. If I was in one of those countries, I would like the
opportunity to restrict the import of certain goods so that I could
have a degree of protection while developing my own economy. However,
“protection” is seen to be a bad word, even though almost
all the great developed countries initially developed their economies
by using protectionism. We should not restrict poorer countries from
being able to do that, and we should not lecture them about free
markets when they are struggling to
develop.
We
should also avoid global corporations and countries exploiting minerals
in poorer countries for their own benefit. We have seen enclave
development, in which developed countries put in poorer countries
factories and production that did not use local labour and abused the
local environment, as well as paying little in local taxation. Poorer
countries accept such enclaves in the hope that, somehow, they will
achieve some economic
development.
Such
things have been focused on before, and I like to think that we are now
progressing and genuinely helping. It is about not just redistributing
income—giving aid to countries—but letting poorer
countries use whatever means they need to develop. One hopes that the
Cotonou agreement will be more supportive and reasonable to ACP
countries now and in the
future.
Even
under the previous Labour Government, I was critical of our insistence
on such countries privatising public services. Why should they have to
privatise public
services if they do not wish to, especially if the private companies
will come in from outside and take the profit out to the developed
world, instead of leaving it behind in those
countries?
We
in the developed world have behaved badly towards the less developed
world on many issues. I hope that the Cotonou agreement will be a real
and genuine attempt to help poorer countries, and not just another
means of stopping them from taking advantage of the developed world.
The poorer countries have had a hard time, and many of us who have been
there have seen the incredible difference between their living
standards and ours. It is perfectly understandable if people in such
countries feel anger about the way in which they have been treated over
the previous decades. I hope that the Committee will at least press the
Government to be progressive in such matters, and to ensure that
policies actually help poor countries and are not simply a clever way
of continuing as we have in the
past.
5.25
pm
Mr
O'Brien:
I am grateful to members of the Committee for
their examination of the issues that have been raised today. I
genuinely welcome hon. Members’ continued interest in the
EU’s development work, particularly through the Cotonou
agreement. I thank the hon. Member for Bethnal Green and Bow for her
remarks, in which she rightly emphasised the important fact that the
Cotonou agreement is a partnership agreement. She referred to 105
states. The number of EU-ACP countries amounts to about
79.
Rushanara
Ali:
Plus—
Mr
O'Brien:
Plus the 27 EU member states. I wanted to ensure
that the distinction between the two statistics was understood, so I
thought that it would be helpful to place that on record.
Our
wide-ranging sitting has covered several issues relating to Cotonou.
Importantly, we have discussed the political component in some detail.
Our debate should be seen in the context of the commitment in the
coalition agreement to maintaining—and boosting—our
development assistance to the poorest countries of the world. Members
of the Committee will be familiar with the coalition
Government’s promise not only to reach the target of 0.7% of
gross national income by 2013, which will be two years ahead of other
EU member states—that is intended to represent leadership,
commitment and encouragement, not least as articulated through Muskoka,
the G8 and G20, the millennium development goals summits, Seoul, and
the ensuing international and leader meetings that will take
place—but that that, in the proper course of the legislative
timetable, will be enshrined as a matter of law.
One of the
primary pleas from the hon. Member for Bethnal Green and Bow was that
we should engage positively. I hope that she will be one of the first
to recognise that the coalition Government are indeed engaging
positively and deliberately with the EU, and recognising that there is
a place for all partnership working, as indeed there is a
place—in terms of our own accountability—for our
bilateral aid programmes. To some extent, ensuring that we have a blend
of both types of programme is a strength rather than a dilution; that
is no different from the situation under previous
Administration.
We continue to
engage in economic partnership agreements and in ongoing trade debates.
As I said, we hope that 2011 will see the successful conclusion of the
Doha round at last. Economic partnership agreements will open up EU
markets to ACP countries, but an awful lot more needs to be done, as
the hon. Member for Luton North highlighted. He is respected in this
place for a long history of consistently making his tenacious
arguments, even though we do not agree with all of
them.
We need to
combine better trade rules and more trade-related support. The EU
patently offers both. The hon. Member for Bethnal Green and Bow listed
the factors of climate change, the political aspects of human
rights, democracy and good governance, and
the linking trade with tax. However, we must also
consider the organisational and administrative
structures—the architecture—of governance, be they in the
form of national Parliaments or through the accountability that comes
from the activity of organisations to strengthen civil society, let
alone from economic integration. We have mentioned how those matters
interrelate but do not necessarily either overlap, or indeed
supplant, humanitarian and emergency responses to developing
tragic
situations.
I
was taken with the arguments made by the hon. Member for Luton North. I
always enjoy hearing from him a certain number of points on which we
might be described as ad idem, and others on which we have regular
jousting sessions. Not for the first time, he made a case on
protectionism and the absence of any privatisation of services,
although it is not absolutely essential that I engage with that again
in this debate. He cited historical examples; the hon. Member for
Brecon and Radnorshire picked up on his example about sugar. However,
he might be interested that today we have an example
involving—dare I
say?—bananas.
ACP
banana producers are being helped to adjust to the recent Geneva
agreement on bananas, and the EU has agreed a budget of £161
million to assist them. However, implementation is being impeded due to
disagreements. We are all European citizens—the hon. Member for
Bethnal Green and Bow emphasised the multilateral and partnership
nature of what we are engaged in—but there is an embarrassing
disagreement among the European Parliament, the Commission and the
Council. We are urging as firmly as possible that that should be
resolved quickly. Agreement is vital, because the key obstacle to
disbursement is something of a playground argument about who has power
within delegated Acts as a result of the Lisbon treaty. The hon. Member
for Luton North is correct to identity that we would do well to avoid
such disputes, because they seriously prejudice the access to markets
of very poor countries that we wish to
encourage.
Kelvin
Hopkins:
The Minister talks about bananas, but that was
the subject of another conflict that arose a few years ago, although I
think that it has now been overcome by the fair trade movement. Large
banana corporations that were owned as multinationals by rich countries
drove down the production price of bananas in certain countries and
that undermined small island producers who depended heavily on the sale
of bananas. We should pay a little more for bananas from those
countries to ensure that they have a viable economy,
instead of inflating the profits of corporations owned in America, for
example. That involves interfering with the markets, but I would do
that.
Mr
O'Brien:
I understand the hon. Gentleman’s point.
Without going too far into the technical details, bananas are a
particular case because they come in their own casing, so not much
value can be added by the time that they land in the markets. A better
case to consider might be coffee. That commodity is often traded at a
bean level, and the value is added well outside the country of
production, so a lot of price volatility has to be faced by those who
have the least resilience to cope with it. They might also be those who
have the least storage capacity for maintaining the highest possible
quality that will ultimately allow production to the premium quality
that is required for the branded goods that hit the shelves in our
supermarkets, particularly those with a large purchasing
power.
Some
of those barriers have been overcome, not least through some reasonably
good private sector development. Some of the added value is now being
introduced in the countries of production, which is certainly something
that we need to encourage. That is equally part of good private sector
development, so I hope that the hon. Gentleman realises that, as
always, there is a blend in such things. This is not simply an
ideological battle between privatisation and whatever, but it is
actually to do with where we can secure the best added value and
therefore get the
yield.
I
want to widen the debate a tiny bit, if I may, by touching on the vital
issue of land tenure. To some degree, the hon. Gentleman hinted at this
point when he talked about often mistaken economic policies that were
in place for a number of years after colonialism. He claims to be the
oldest member of this Committee. For what it is worth, I can claim to
have been there when independence took place in Kenya on 12 December,
as I was at the celebration.
There is no
question but that the absence of a commitment to land tenure has held
back the ability to secure added value to land, which helps to create
forms of collateral that are easier to securitise for private sector
growth than the simple discounted model of cash flows for a business
that has not had the chance to exist. Recently there has been an
interesting drive to clarify land tenure. We have been able to
participate in that, as I said earlier, not least in Rwanda and
Burundi, where it is proving successful.
It is
appropriate that I touch on the tagged explanatory
memorandums discussing Madagascar, Niger
and Equatorial Guinea. One issue about Madagascar is that
because it was given sufficient time—indeed, extra
time—to negotiate, the suspension of all EDF funding has been
proposed, but that was due to the continuing failure of those in power
in Madagascar to respond appropriately, as we see it.
We are grateful for hon. Members’ indications of support for
that judgment, which complies with article
96.
Equally, given
the facts on the ground in Niger and the improvement in circumstances,
the graduated resumption of the relationship that exists under the
Cotonou agreement is proposed, not least because it is anticipated that
a poll leading to a civilian President by April this year will be
conducted on 31 January. That judgment appears equally appropriate to
us.
Although the
accession of Equatorial Guinea to the Cotonou agreement and the
granting of observer status, which would run out in April in any event,
have caused some question marks, they seem appropriate steps to ensure
that respect for human rights and an increase in compliance with the
expectations that come through the Cotonou agreement are underpinned in
Equatorial Guinea’s participation. To our knowledge, the country
holds no more reservations on the question of the International
Criminal Court, which was included in the first revision of the Cotonou
agreement and is therefore an important aspect of the question of
whether countries are ready for full accession.
I was pleased
that the hon. Member for Bethnal Green and Bow mentioned the
partnership with the African Union, which I agree is important. We must
see how that interrelates with a—speedy, we
hope—resolution in which Laurent Gbagbo accepts the position
surrounding the presidency in Côte d’Ivoire, and with a
recognition of the importance of required climate change mitigation and
adaptation.
The hon. Lady
mentioned an important question in which I have been heavily
engaged for many years across several Departments: do the countries
most in need of a successful Doha round have the capacity to advocate
and to respond to challenges within a WTO discussion? She will be aware
that we are implementing an international advocacy programme to ensure
that the expertise and necessary funding are in place for countries
such as ACP countries that need to argue and make representations on
terms with those that might be blessed with more economic
muscle.
We
discussed reciprocity earlier. The way in which the Cotonou agreement
and other trade rules work is that access to EU markets is, in effect,
immediate. There is a deliberate lack of reciprocity, in so far as the
greater openness of some of the African markets is sometimes graduated
as part of a programme over 15 or even 20 years. That could
even include some protectionist measures that might satisfy the hon.
Member for Luton North, even if many of us find that a difficult
principle to reconcile with best access and the greatest growth
opportunities through free markets.
I hope that I
have covered the points that have been raised in our constructive
debate. I am grateful to the Committee for its insights and
support.
Question
put and agreed to.
5.40
pm
Committee
rose.