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House of Commons Debates 15 July 2014

house of commons

prayers

business before questions

oral answers to questions

health

primary care (older people)

antimicrobial resistance

food safety (local authorities)

hospitals in west london (a and e)

general practice

carers

born in bradford research study

learning disabilities (community provision)

mental health (parity of esteem)

food prices (public health)

failing hospitals

nhs trust deficits (england)

stroke care

national dementia strategy

healthy child programme

topical questions

BILLS PRESENTED

tyres (buses and coaches)

data retention and investigatory powers bill (business of the house)

data retention and investigatory powers bill

data retention and investigatory powers bill (money)

data retention and investigatory powers bill

business without debate

delegated legislation

electoral commission

attempted suicides (police responsibilities)

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Column: 657

Column: 657

House of Commons [15 Jul 2014]

Prayers [15 Jul 2014]

[Mr Speaker] [15 Jul 2014]

Business before questions [15 Jul 2014]

Oral Answers to Questions [15 Jul 2014]

Health [15 Jul 2014]

Primary Care (Older People) [15 Jul 2014]

Mr Adam Holloway (Gravesham) (Con):

The Secretary of State for Health (Mr Jeremy Hunt):

Mr Holloway:

Mr Hunt:

Alison McGovern (Wirral South) (Lab):

Column: 658

Mr Hunt:

Greg Mulholland (Leeds North West) (LD):

Mr Hunt:

Ms Margaret Ritchie (South Down) (SDLP):

Mr Hunt:

Andrew Gwynne (Denton and Reddish) (Lab):

Mr Hunt:

Column: 659

Antimicrobial Resistance [15 Jul 2014]

Julian Sturdy (York Outer) (Con):

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health (Jane Ellison):

Julian Sturdy:

Jane Ellison:

Food Safety (Local Authorities) [15 Jul 2014]

Mr David Heath (Somerton and Frome) (LD):

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health (Jane Ellison):

Mr Heath:

Column: 660

Jane Ellison:

Keith Vaz (Leicester East) (Lab):

Jane Ellison:

Miss Anne McIntosh (Thirsk and Malton) (Con):

Jane Ellison:

Hospitals in West London (A and E) [15 Jul 2014]

Mr Andy Slaughter (Hammersmith) (Lab):

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health (Jane Ellison):

Column: 661

Mr Slaughter:

Jane Ellison:

General Practice [15 Jul 2014]

Sir Edward Leigh (Gainsborough) (Con):

The Secretary of State for Health (Mr Jeremy Hunt):

Sir Edward Leigh:

Mr Hunt:

Column: 662

Lucy Powell (Manchester Central) (Lab/Co-op):

Mr Hunt:

Mr Philip Hollobone (Kettering) (Con):

Mr Hunt:

Mr Speaker:

Mr Jamie Reed (Copeland) (Lab):

Mr Hunt:

Column: 663

Carers [15 Jul 2014]

Sir Tony Baldry (Banbury) (Con):

The Minister of State, Department of Health (Norman Lamb):

Sir Tony Baldry:

Norman Lamb:

Barbara Keeley (Worsley and Eccles South) (Lab):

Norman Lamb:

Column: 664

Born in Bradford Research Study [15 Jul 2014]

Philip Davies (Shipley) (Con):

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health (Dr Daniel Poulter):

Philip Davies:

Dr Poulter:

Learning Disabilities (Community Provision) [15 Jul 2014]

Mr Tom Clarke (Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill) (Lab):

The Minister of State, Department of Health (Norman Lamb):

Mr Clarke:

Column: 665

Norman Lamb:

Mrs Anne McGuire (Stirling) (Lab):

Norman Lamb:

Grahame M. Morris (Easington) (Lab):

Norman Lamb:

Liz Kendall (Leicester West) (Lab):

Column: 666

Norman Lamb:

Mental Health (Parity of Esteem) [15 Jul 2014]

Mr Robert Buckland (South Swindon) (Con):

The Minister of State, Department of Health (Norman Lamb):

Mr Buckland:

Norman Lamb:

Mrs Madeleine Moon (Bridgend) (Lab):

Norman Lamb:

Dr Sarah Wollaston (Totnes) (Con):

Column: 667

Norman Lamb:

Luciana Berger (Liverpool, Wavertree) (Lab/Co-op):

Norman Lamb:

Food Prices (Public Health) [15 Jul 2014]

Kerry McCarthy (Bristol East) (Lab):

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health (Jane Ellison):

Kerry McCarthy:

Column: 668

Jane Ellison:

Andrew Selous (South West Bedfordshire) (Con):

Jane Ellison:

Failing Hospitals [15 Jul 2014]

Gordon Henderson (Sittingbourne and Sheppey) (Con):

The Secretary of State for Health (Mr Jeremy Hunt):

Gordon Henderson:

Mr Hunt:

Diana Johnson (Kingston upon Hull North) (Lab):

Column: 669

Mr Hunt:

Stephen Metcalfe (South Basildon and East Thurrock) (Con):

Mr Hunt:

Mr Nick Gibb (Bognor Regis and Littlehampton) (Con):

Mr Hunt:

Andrew George (St Ives) (LD):

Mr Hunt:

Column: 670

NHS Trust Deficits (England) [15 Jul 2014]

Mr Nicholas Brown (Newcastle upon Tyne East) (Lab):

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health (Dr Daniel Poulter):

Mr Brown:

Dr Poulter:

Jeremy Lefroy (Stafford) (Con):

Dr Poulter:

Stroke Care [15 Jul 2014]

Jesse Norman (Hereford and South Herefordshire) (Con):

Column: 671

The Minister of State, Department of Health (Norman Lamb):

Jesse Norman:

Norman Lamb:

Helen Jones (Warrington North) (Lab):

Norman Lamb:

National Dementia Strategy [15 Jul 2014]

Paul Burstow (Sutton and Cheam) (LD):

The Secretary of State for Health (Mr Jeremy Hunt):

Paul Burstow:

Column: 672

Mr Hunt:

Mr Speaker:

Healthy Child Programme [15 Jul 2014]

Mrs Sharon Hodgson (Washington and Sunderland West) (Lab):

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health (Dr Daniel Poulter):

Mrs Hodgson:

Dr Poulter:

Topical Questions [15 Jul 2014]

James Duddridge (Rochford and Southend East) (Con):

Column: 673

The Secretary of State for Health (Mr Jeremy Hunt):

James Duddridge:

Mr Hunt:

Andy Burnham (Leigh) (Lab):

Mr Hunt:

Andy Burnham:

Column: 674

Mr Hunt:

Stuart Andrew (Pudsey) (Con):

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health (Jane Ellison):

Rushanara Ali (Bethnal Green and Bow) (Lab):

Mr Jeremy Hunt:

Margot James (Stourbridge) (Con):

Column: 675

Jane Ellison:

Barbara Keeley (Worsley and Eccles South) (Lab):

Mr Jeremy Hunt:

Andrew Selous (South West Bedfordshire) (Con):

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health (Dr Daniel Poulter):

Mr Speaker:

Mr Jim Cunningham (Coventry South) (Lab):

Mr Jeremy Hunt:

Column: 676

Mr Robert Buckland (South Swindon) (Con):

Mr Hunt:

Bill Esterson (Sefton Central) (Lab):

Mr Hunt:

Paul Burstow (Sutton and Cheam) (LD):

The Minister of State, Department of Health (Norman Lamb):

Meg Munn (Sheffield, Heeley) (Lab/Co-op):

Mr Jeremy Hunt:

Column: 677

Robert Halfon (Harlow) (Con):

Mr Hunt:

Mrs Emma Lewell-Buck (South Shields) (Lab):

Norman Lamb:

Iain Stewart (Milton Keynes South) (Con):

Mr Jeremy Hunt:

Julie Hilling (Bolton West) (Lab):

Mr Hunt:

Duncan Hames (Chippenham) (LD):

Column: 678

Norman Lamb:

Chris Bryant (Rhondda) (Lab):

Dr Poulter:

BILLS PRESENTED

Column: 679

Tyres (Buses and Coaches) [15 Jul 2014]

12.34 pm

Steve Rotheram (Liverpool, Walton) (Lab):

Column: 680

Column: 681

Column: 682

Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Bill (Business of the House) [15 Jul 2014]

12.45 pm

The Minister for Security and Immigration (James Brokenshire):

Column: 684

Column: 685

Caroline Lucas (Brighton, Pavilion) (Green):

James Brokenshire:

Sir Edward Leigh (Gainsborough) (Con):

James Brokenshire:

Mr Elfyn Llwyd (Dwyfor Meirionnydd) (PC):

James Brokenshire:

Column: 686

Duncan Hames (Chippenham) (LD):

James Brokenshire:

Dr Julian Huppert (Cambridge) (LD):

James Brokenshire:

Column: 687

Mr Brian H. Donohoe (Central Ayrshire) (Lab):

James Brokenshire:

12.54 pm

Mr David Hanson (Delyn) (Lab):

Column: 688

Mr Clive Betts (Sheffield South East) (Lab):

Mr Hanson:

Dr Huppert:

Mr Hanson:

Several hon. Members

Column: 689

Mr Speaker:

12.59 pm

Sir Malcolm Rifkind (Kensington) (Con):

Mr Speaker:

1.1 pm

Mr David Winnick (Walsall North) (Lab):

Column: 690

1.3 pm

Mr David Davis (Haltemprice and Howden) (Con):

Dr Huppert:

Mr Davis:

1.5 pm

Column: 691

Mr Tom Watson (West Bromwich East) (Lab):

1.6 pm

Sir Edward Leigh (Gainsborough) (Con):

Dr Huppert:

Sir Edward Leigh:

1.7 pm

Mr Elfyn Llwyd (Dwyfor Meirionnydd) (PC):

Column: 692

Several hon. Members

Mr Speaker:

1.10 pm

Dr Julian Huppert (Cambridge) (LD):

1.11 pm

Mr Jack Straw (Blackburn) (Lab):

Column: 693

1.14 pm

Sir Tony Baldry (Banbury) (Con):

1.15 pm

Ms Diane Abbott (Hackney North and Stoke Newington) (Lab):

Column: 694

1.17 pm

Steve Baker (Wycombe) (Con):

1.18 pm

Column: 695

Caroline Lucas (Brighton, Pavilion) (Green):

1.21 pm

Duncan Hames (Chippenham) (LD):

Column: 696

1.24 pm

Jeremy Corbyn (Islington North) (Lab):

Column: 697

1.26 pm

Ian Paisley (North Antrim) (DUP):

1.27 pm

Chris Bryant (Rhondda) (Lab):

Column: 698

1.30 pm

Mark Durkan (Foyle) (SDLP):

1.32 pm

Pete Wishart (Perth and North Perthshire) (SNP):

Column: 699

1.34 pm

James Brokenshire:

Column: 700

Division No. 35 [ Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Bill (Business of the House)] [15 Jul 2014]

Column: 704

Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Bill [15 Jul 2014]

1.51 pm

The Secretary of State for the Home Department (Mrs Theresa May):

Ian Paisley (North Antrim) (DUP):

Mrs May:

Column: 705

Sir William Cash (Stone) (Con):

Mrs May:

Caroline Lucas (Brighton, Pavilion) (Green):

Mrs May:

Chris Bryant (Rhondda) (Lab):

Mrs May:

Column: 706

Chris Bryant:

Mrs May:

Mr Angus Brendan MacNeil (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP):

Mrs May:

Column: 707

Sir Alan Beith (Berwick-upon-Tweed) (LD):

Mrs May:

Richard Graham (Gloucester) (Con):

Mrs May:

Mr Dominic Grieve (Beaconsfield) (Con):

Column: 708

Mrs May:

Mr Clive Betts (Sheffield South East) (Lab):

Mrs May:

Mr Betts:

Mrs May:

Mr Betts:

Mrs May:

Dr Julian Huppert (Cambridge) (LD):

Column: 709

Mrs May:

Hazel Blears (Salford and Eccles) (Lab):

Mrs May:

Mr David Davis (Haltemprice and Howden) (Con):

Mrs May:

Mr Davis:

Column: 710

Mrs May:

Mr David Winnick (Walsall North) (Lab)

Mrs May:

Mr Winnick:

Mrs May:

Column: 711

Mr Andrew Turner (Isle of Wight) (Con):

Mrs May:

Column: 712

Mr Nigel Dodds (Belfast North) (DUP):

Mrs May:

Michael Connarty (Linlithgow and East Falkirk) (Lab):

Mrs May:

Michael Connarty:

Mrs May:

Mr George Howarth (Knowsley) (Lab):

Mrs May:

Column: 713

Mr Tom Watson (West Bromwich East) (Lab):

Mrs May:

Column: 714

Jeremy Corbyn (Islington North) (Lab):

Mrs May:

Mr Geoffrey Robinson (Coventry North West) (Lab):

Mrs May:

Column: 715

Mr John Redwood (Wokingham) (Con):

Mrs May:

Hazel Blears:

Column: 716

Mrs May:

Steve Brine (Winchester) (Con):

Mrs May:

Mr Jim Cunningham (Coventry South) (Lab):

Mrs May:

Column: 717

2.36 pm

Yvette Cooper (Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford) (Lab):

Sir William Cash:

Column: 718

Madam Deputy Speaker (Dame Dawn Primarolo):

Yvette Cooper:

Dr Huppert:

Yvette Cooper:

Mr Redwood:

Yvette Cooper:

Column: 719

Chris Bryant:

Yvette Cooper:

Mr David Davis:

Yvette Cooper:

Column: 720

Mrs Anne Main (St Albans) (Con):

Yvette Cooper:

Column: 721

Column: 722

Keith Vaz (Leicester East) (Lab):

Column: 723

Yvette Cooper:

Steve Baker (Wycombe) (Con):

Yvette Cooper:

Column: 724

Bob Stewart (Beckenham) (Con):

Yvette Cooper:

Column: 725

Several hon. Members

Madam Deputy Speaker (Dame Dawn Primarolo):

3.4 pm

Sir Malcolm Rifkind (Kensington) (Con):

Column: 726

Caroline Lucas:

Sir Malcolm Rifkind:

Column: 727

3.12 pm

Alan Johnson (Kingston upon Hull West and Hessle) (Lab):

Column: 728

Sir Alan Beith:

Alan Johnson:

Column: 729

3.19 pm

Mr David Davis (Haltemprice and Howden) (Con):

Column: 730

Mr Jack Straw (Blackburn) (Lab):

Mr Davis:

3.26 pm

Keith Vaz (Leicester East) (Lab):

Column: 732

3.32 pm

Simon Reevell (Dewsbury) (Con):

Column: 733

Column: 734

3.37 pm

Mr Jack Straw (Blackburn) (Lab):

Column: 735

Sir Malcolm Rifkind:

Mr Straw:

3.45 pm

Mr Dominic Raab (Esher and Walton) (Con):

Column: 736

Column: 737

Mr Charles Walker (Broxbourne) (Con):

Mr Raab:

Column: 738

3.53 pm

Mr George Howarth (Knowsley) (Lab):

Column: 739

Several hon. Members

Madam Deputy Speaker (Dame Dawn Primarolo):

3.59 pm

Dr Julian Huppert (Cambridge) (LD):

Column: 740

Duncan Hames (Chippenham) (LD):

Dr Huppert:

Column: 741

4.5 pm

Dr Hywel Francis (Aberavon) (Lab):

Column: 742

Madam Deputy Speaker (Mrs Eleanor Laing):

4.10 pm

Pete Wishart (Perth and North Perthshire) (SNP):

Column: 743

Column: 744

4.15 pm

Mr David Winnick (Walsall North) (Lab):

Column: 745

4.21 pm

Mark Durkan (Foyle) (SDLP):

Column: 746

4.26 pm

Andrew Miller (Ellesmere Port and Neston) (Lab):

Column: 747

4.30 pm

Helen Goodman (Bishop Auckland) (Lab):

Column: 748

4.35 pm

Caroline Lucas (Brighton, Pavilion) (Green):

Column: 749

Column: 750

4.40 pm

Mr Michael Meacher (Oldham West and Royton) (Lab):

Column: 751

4.45 pm

Mr David Hanson (Delyn) (Lab):

Column: 752

Column: 753

4.53 pm

The Minister for Security and Immigration (James Brokenshire):

Column: 754

John McDonnell (Hayes and Harlington) (Lab):

James Brokenshire:

Column: 755

Keith Vaz:

James Brokenshire:

Division No. 36 [ Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Bill] [15 Jul 2014]

Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Bill (Money) [15 Jul 2014]

Column: 760

Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Bill [15 Jul 2014]

[Mrs Eleanor Laing ] [15 Jul 2014]

5.16 pm

The Minister for Security and Immigration (James Brokenshire):

Dr Julian Huppert (Cambridge) (LD):

James Brokenshire:

Column: 761

Dr Huppert:

James Brokenshire:

Sir William Cash (Stone) (Con):

James Brokenshire:

Sir Edward Leigh (Gainsborough) (Con):

James Brokenshire:

Column: 762

John McDonnell (Hayes and Harlington) (Lab):

James Brokenshire:

John McDonnell:

James Brokenshire:

Sir William Cash:

James Brokenshire:

Column: 763

Lady Hermon (North Down) (Ind):

James Brokenshire:

Dr William McCrea (South Antrim) (DUP):

5.30 pm

James Brokenshire:

Steve Baker (Wycombe) (Con):

James Brokenshire:

Column: 764

Sir William Cash:

James Brokenshire:

Column: 765

Mark Field (Cities of London and Westminster) (Con):

James Brokenshire:

Sir William Cash:

James Brokenshire:

Sir William Cash:

Column: 766

James Brokenshire:

Mr David Hanson (Delyn) (Lab):

Sir Edward Leigh (Gainsborough) (Con):

Column: 767

Mr Hanson:

5.45 pm

Sir William Cash:

Column: 768

Mr Hanson:

Steve McCabe (Birmingham, Selly Oak) (Lab):

Mr Hanson:

Sir William Cash:

The Temporary Chair (Sir Roger Gale):

Sir William Cash:

Column: 769

Column: 770

Sir Alan Beith (Berwick-upon-Tweed) (LD):

6 pm

Column: 771

Sir William Cash:

Sir Alan Beith:

James Brokenshire:

Column: 772

Sir William Cash:

James Brokenshire:

The Temporary Chair (Sir Roger Gale):

James Brokenshire:

Column: 773

Mr George Howarth (Knowsley) (Lab):

The Temporary Chair (Sir Roger Gale):

Mr Howarth:

Column: 774

6.15 pm

Column: 775

Sir Alan Beith:

Mr Howarth:

Mr Tom Watson (West Bromwich East) (Lab)

Mr Howarth:

Mr Watson:

Mr Howarth:

Mark Field:

Mr Howarth:

Column: 776

Mark Field:

Column: 777

Dr Huppert:

Mr George Howarth

Dr Huppert:

Mr Howarth:

Dr Huppert:

Katy Clark (North Ayrshire and Arran) (Lab):

Column: 778

Dr Huppert:

Mr Howarth:

Dr Huppert:

6.30 pm

Mr Hanson:

Column: 779

James Brokenshire:

Katy Clark:

James Brokenshire:

Column: 780

Sir Alan Beith:

James Brokenshire:

Katy Clark:

James Brokenshire:

Column: 781

Sir Alan Beith:

James Brokenshire:

Mark Field

James Brokenshire:

Mark Field:

James Brokenshire:

Mr George Howarth:

Column: 782

6.45 pm

James Brokenshire:

Dr Huppert:

James Brokenshire:

Mr Jack Straw (Blackburn) (Lab):

Column: 783

James Brokenshire:

Mr Dominic Raab (Esher and Walton) (Con):

James Brokenshire:

Dr Huppert:

James Brokenshire:

Column: 784

Mr George Howarth:

James Brokenshire:

Mr George Howarth:

Dr Julian Lewis (New Forest East) (Con):

Column: 785

Mr Raab:

Dr Lewis:

Dr Huppert:

James Brokenshire:

7 pm

Column: 786

James Brokenshire:

Mr Hanson:

The Temporary Chair (Mr Jim Hood):

Column: 787

Mr Hanson:

Column: 788

Column: 789

Guy Opperman (Hexham) (Con):

Mr Hanson:

Column: 790

Jeremy Corbyn (Islington North) (Lab):

7.15 pm

Mr Hanson:

Mr Watson:

Column: 791

Mr Charles Walker (Broxbourne) (Con):

Column: 792

Mr Watson:

Dr Huppert:

The Temporary Chair (Mr Jim Hood):

Dr Huppert:

Column: 793

Mr Watson:

Dr Huppert:

Mr Raab:

Dr Huppert:

Jeremy Corbyn

Dr Huppert:

Column: 794

Jim Sheridan (Paisley and Renfrewshire North) (Lab):

Dr Huppert:

7.30 pm

Jeremy Corbyn:

Dr Huppert:

Jim Sheridan:

Column: 795

Dr Huppert:

Mr Straw:

Column: 796

Column: 797

Mark Durkan (Foyle) (SDLP):

Mr Straw:

Mark Durkan:

Mr Straw:

Jim Sheridan:

Mr Straw:

Column: 798

The Temporary Chair (Mr Jim Hood) :

Mr Straw:

7.45 pm

Steve McCabe:

Mr Straw:

Caroline Lucas:

Column: 799

Mr Straw:

Mr Charles Walker:

Column: 800

John McDonnell:

Column: 801

Dr Julian Lewis:

Mr David Davis (Haltemprice and Howden) (Con):

Column: 802

Dr Lewis:

Steve McCabe:

8 pm

Dr Lewis:

Jeremy Corbyn:

Column: 803

Caroline Lucas:

Column: 804

James Brokenshire:

The Temporary Chair (Mr Jim Hood):

James Brokenshire:

Column: 805

8.15 pm

Column: 806

Mr Davis:

James Brokenshire:

Column: 807

Mr Hanson:

The Temporary Chair (Mr Jim Hood):

James Brokenshire:

(The Temporary Chair (Mr Jim Hood):

Division No. 37 [ Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Bill] [15 Jul 2014]

Column: 812

Dr Huppert:

The Temporary Chair (Mr Jim Hood):

Dr Huppert:

Column: 813

Dr Julian Lewis:

Dr Huppert:

Column: 814

James Brokenshire:

Dr Julian Lewis:

James Brokenshire:

Column: 815

8.45 pm

Dr Huppert:

James Brokenshire:

Dr Julian Lewis:

Column: 816

James Brokenshire:

Column: 817

Dr Huppert:

Sir William Cash:

Column: 818

James Brokenshire:

Sir William Cash:

Division No. 38 [ Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Bill]

Column: 822

9.15 pm

9.15 pm

The Secretary of State for the Home Department (Mrs Theresa May):

Column: 823

Dr Julian Lewis:

Mrs May:

Column: 824

9.22 pm

Yvette Cooper (Nomanton Pontefract and Castleford) (Lab):

Column: 825

9.27 pm

Column: 826

Dr Huppert:

Column: 827

9.32 pm

Caroline Lucas:

Column: 828

9.35 pm

Sir Edward Garnier (Harborough) (Con):

9.38 pm

Column: 829

John McDonnell:

Mr Frank Field (Birkenhead) (Lab):

John McDonnell:

Sammy Wilson (East Antrim) (DUP):

Column: 830

John McDonnell:

Division No. 39 [ Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Bill] [15 Jul 2014]

Business without Debate [15 Jul 2014]

Delegated Legislation [15 Jul 2014]

Mr Speaker:

Mr Speaker:

Column: 835

Electoral Commission [15 Jul 2014]

Column: 836

Attempted Suicides (Police Responsibilities) [15 Jul 2014]

10 pm

Mrs Madeleine Moon (Bridgend) (Lab):

Jim Shannon (Strangford) (DUP):

Column: 837

Mrs Moon:

Dr Julian Lewis (New Forest East) (Con):

Mrs Moon:

Column: 838

Column: 839

10.15 pm

The Minister for Policing, Criminal Justice and Victims (Mike Penning):

Column: 840

Dr Julian Lewis:

Column: 841

Mike Penning:

Column: 842

Jim Shannon:

Mike Penning:

10.25 pm