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House of Commons Debates 16 October 2014

house of commons

prayers

oral answers to questions

culture, media and sport

mobile network operators

arts funding outside london

tourism

rural broadband

online access (disabled people)

women in the media

music venues (noise)

mobile phone coverage (rural areas)

coastal communities (economic regeneration)

parthenon sculptures

superfast broadband

topical questions

women and equalities

female entrepreneurs

equal pay

public institutions

violence against women

tata steel

business of the house

isil: iraq and syria

point of order

cycling

national pollinator strategy

business without debate

house of commons governance

uk government: scotland

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Column: 423

House of Commons [16 Oct 2014]

Prayers [16 Oct 2014]

[Mr Speaker] [16 Oct 2014]

Oral Answers to Questions [16 Oct 2014]

Culture, Media and Sport [16 Oct 2014]

Mobile Network Operators [16 Oct 2014]

Nigel Mills (Amber Valley) (Con):

The Minister of State, Department for Culture, Media and Sport (Mr Edward Vaizey):

Nigel Mills:

Mr Vaizey:

Diana Johnson (Kingston upon Hull North) (Lab):

The Minister of State, Department for Culture, Media and Sport (Mr Edward Vaizey):

Column: 424

Mr Speaker:

Mr Vaizey:

Arts Funding outside London [16 Oct 2014]

Diana Johnson (Kingston upon Hull North) (Lab):

Mr Ben Bradshaw (Exeter) (Lab):

The Minister of State, Department for Culture, Media and Sport (Mr Edward Vaizey):

Diana Johnson:

Mr Vaizey:

Mr Bradshaw:

Column: 425

Mr Vaizey:

Steve Baker (Wycombe) (Con):

Mr Vaizey:

Mr Philip Hollobone (Kettering) (Con):

Mr Vaizey:

Mr Gerry Sutcliffe (Bradford South) (Lab):

Mr Vaizey:

Mr Barry Sheerman (Huddersfield) (Lab/Co-op):

Column: 426

Mr Vaizey:

Tourism [16 Oct 2014]

Jeremy Lefroy (Stafford) (Con):

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport (Mrs Helen Grant):

Jeremy Lefroy:

Mrs Grant:

Chris Bryant (Rhondda) (Lab):

Mrs Grant:

Column: 427

Ms Harriet Harman (Camberwell and Peckham) (Lab):

Mrs Grant:

Mr Russell Brown (Dumfries and Galloway) (Lab):

Mrs Grant:

Rural Broadband [16 Oct 2014]

Meg Hillier (Hackney South and Shoreditch) (Lab/Co-op):

The Minister for Culture and the Digital Economy (Mr Edward Vaizey):

Meg Hillier (Hackney South and Shoreditch) (Lab/Co-op):

Column: 428

Mr Vaizey:

Eric Ollerenshaw (Lancaster and Fleetwood) (Con):

Mr Vaizey:

Tom Greatrex (Rutherglen and Hamilton West) (Lab/Co-op):

Mr Vaizey:

Robert Jenrick (Newark) (Con):

Mr Vaizey:

Column: 429

Helen Goodman (Bishop Auckland) (Lab):

Mr Vaizey:

Tessa Munt (Wells) (LD):

Mr Vaizey:

Online Access (Disabled People) [16 Oct 2014]

The Minister for Culture and the Digital Economy (Mr Edward Vaizey):

Column: 430

Chi Onwurah:

Mr Vaizey:

Women in the Media [16 Oct 2014]

Paul Blomfield (Sheffield Central) (Lab):

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport (Mrs Helen Grant):

Paul Blomfield:

Mrs Grant:

Music Venues (Noise) [16 Oct 2014]

Kerry McCarthy (Bristol East) (Lab):

Column: 431

The Minister for Culture and the Digital Economy (Mr Edward Vaizey):

Kerry McCarthy:

Mr Vaizey:

Kelvin Hopkins (Luton North) (Lab):

Mr Vaizey:

Mobile Phone Coverage (Rural Areas) [16 Oct 2014]

John Howell (Henley) (Con):

The Minister for Culture and the Digital Economy (Mr Edward Vaizey):

Column: 432

John Howell:

Mr Vaizey:

Huw Irranca-Davies (Ogmore) (Lab):

Mr Vaizey:

Chloe Smith (Norwich North) (Con):

Mr Vaizey:

Mr Frank Roy (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab):

Mr Vaizey:

Mr Andrew Turner (Isle of Wight) (Con):

Mr Vaizey:

Column: 433

Peter Aldous (Waveney) (Con):

Mr Vaizey:

Mr Speaker:

Coastal Communities (Economic Regeneration) [16 Oct 2014]

Damian Collins (Folkestone and Hythe) (Con):

The Minister for Culture and the Digital Economy (Mr Edward Vaizey):

Damian Collins:

Mr Vaizey:

Parthenon Sculptures [16 Oct 2014]

Andrew George (St Ives) (LD):

Column: 434

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport (Mrs Helen Grant):

Andrew George:

Mrs Grant:

Jeremy Corbyn (Islington North) (Lab):

Mrs Grant:

Superfast Broadband [16 Oct 2014]

The Minister for Culture and the Digital Economy (Mr Edward Vaizey):

Mr Nuttall:

Column: 435

Mr Vaizey:

Duncan Hames (Chippenham) (LD):

Mr Vaizey:

Topical Questions [16 Oct 2014]

Simon Wright (Norwich South) (LD):

The Minister for Culture and the Digital Economy (Mr Edward Vaizey):

Simon Wright:

Mr Vaizey:

Nick Smith (Blaenau Gwent) (Lab):

Column: 436

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport (Mrs Helen Grant):

Mr Speaker:

David Mowat (Warrington South) (Con):

Mrs Grant:

Clive Efford (Eltham) (Lab):

Mrs Grant:

Fiona Bruce (Congleton) (Con):

Mr Vaizey:

Column: 437

Mr Barry Sheerman (Huddersfield) (Lab/Co-op):

Mr Vaizey:

Mary Macleod (Brentford and Isleworth) (Con):

Mrs Grant:

Alex Cunningham (Stockton North) (Lab):

Mrs Grant:

Mr Philip Hollobone (Kettering) (Con):

Mr Vaizey:

Andy Sawford (Corby) (Lab/Co-op):

Column: 438

Mr Vaizey:

Jim McGovern (Dundee West) (Lab):

Mr Vaizey:

Jim Shannon (Strangford) (DUP):

Mrs Grant:

Jim Sheridan (Paisley and Renfrewshire North) (Lab):

Mr Vaizey:

Women and Equalities [16 Oct 2014]

Female Entrepreneurs [16 Oct 2014]

Karen Lumley (Redditch) (Con):

Column: 439

Fiona Bruce (Congleton) (Con):

The Minister for Women and Equalities (Nicky Morgan):

Karen Lumley:

Nicky Morgan:

Fiona Bruce:

Nicky Morgan:

Mr Barry Sheerman (Huddersfield) (Lab/Co-op):

Column: 440

Nicky Morgan:

Mr Philip Hollobone (Kettering) (Con):

Nicky Morgan:

Equal Pay [16 Oct 2014]

Andrew George (St Ives) (LD):

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Women and Equalities (Jo Swinson):

Andrew George:

Jo Swinson:

Chi Onwurah (Newcastle upon Tyne Central) (Lab):

Column: 441

Jo Swinson:

Gloria De Piero (Ashfield) (Lab):

Jo Swinson:

Chris Bryant (Rhondda) (Lab):

Jo Swinson:

Public Institutions [16 Oct 2014]

Julian Smith (Skipton and Ripon) (Con):

Column: 442

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills (Jo Swinson):

Julian Smith:

Jo Swinson:

Geraint Davies (Swansea West) (Lab/Co-op):

Jo Swinson:

Violence against Women [16 Oct 2014]

Peter Aldous (Waveney) (Con):

Mr Simon Burns (Chelmsford) (Con):

Mary Macleod (Brentford and Isleworth) (Con):

Column: 443

Richard Graham (Gloucester) (Con):

The Minister for Women and Equalities (Nicky Morgan):

Peter Aldous:

Nicky Morgan:

Mr Simon Burns:

Nicky Morgan:

Mary Macleod:

Column: 444

Nicky Morgan:

Richard Graham:

Nicky Morgan:

Mrs Sharon Hodgson (Washington and Sunderland West) (Lab):

Nicky Morgan:

Mr Speaker:

Diana Johnson (Kingston upon Hull North) (Lab):

Nicky Morgan:

Column: 445

Tata Steel [16 Oct 2014]

10.35 am

Mr Iain Wright (Hartlepool) (Lab)

The Minister for Business and Enterprise (Matthew Hancock):

Mr Wright:

Column: 446

Matthew Hancock:

Column: 447

Ian Swales (Redcar) (LD):

Matthew Hancock:

Nic Dakin (Scunthorpe) (Lab):

Matthew Hancock:

Julian Smith (Skipton and Ripon) (Con):

Column: 448

Matthew Hancock:

Tom Blenkinsop (Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland) (Lab):

Matthew Hancock:

Mr David Nuttall (Bury North) (Con):

Matthew Hancock:

Mr Frank Roy (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab):

Column: 449

Matthew Hancock:

Bob Blackman (Harrow East) (Con):

Matthew Hancock:

Andy McDonald (Middlesbrough) (Lab):

Matthew Hancock:

Jeremy Lefroy (Stafford) (Con):

Column: 450

Matthew Hancock:

Nia Griffith (Llanelli) (Lab):

Matthew Hancock:

Mr Philip Hollobone (Kettering) (Con):

Matthew Hancock:

Mr Kevan Jones (North Durham) (Lab):

Matthew Hancock:

Column: 451

Stephen Doughty (Cardiff South and Penarth) (Lab/Co-op):

Matthew Hancock:

Alex Cunningham (Stockton North) (Lab):

Column: 452

Matthew Hancock:

Tom Greatrex (Rutherglen and Hamilton West) (Lab/Co-op):

Matthew Hancock:

Column: 453

Business of the House [16 Oct 2014]

11 am

Ms Angela Eagle (Wallasey) (Lab):

The First Secretary of State and Leader of the House of Commons (Mr William Hague):

Ms Eagle:

Column: 454

Column: 455

The First Secretary of State and Leader of the House of Commons (Mr William Hague):

Column: 456

Mr Ian Liddell-Grainger (Bridgwater and West Somerset) (Con):

Mr Hague:

Mr Barry Sheerman (Huddersfield) (Lab/Co-op):

Mr Hague:

Column: 457

Mr Keith Simpson (Broadland) (Con):

Mr Hague:

Chris Bryant (Rhondda) (Lab):

Mr Hague:

Ian Paisley (North Antrim) (DUP):

Mr Hague:

Column: 458

Tessa Munt (Wells) (LD):

Mr Hague:

Sandra Osborne (Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock) (Lab):

Mr Hague:

Neil Carmichael (Stroud) (Con):

Mr Hague:

Jim Fitzpatrick (Poplar and Limehouse) (Lab):

Column: 459

Mr Hague:

Sir George Young (North West Hampshire) (Con):

Mr Hague:

Mr Jim Cunningham (Coventry South) (Lab):

Mr Hague:

Sir Alan Duncan (Rutland and Melton) (Con):

Mr Hague:

Column: 460

Chris Bryant (Rhondda) (Lab):

Mr Hague:

Chris Bryant:

Mr Hague:

Jason McCartney (Colne Valley) (Con):

Mr Hague:

Tom Blenkinsop (Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland) (Lab):

Mr Hague:

Column: 461

Andrew Bridgen (North West Leicestershire) (Con):

Mr Hague:

Mark Lazarowicz (Edinburgh North and Leith) (Lab/Co-op):

Mr Hague:

Oliver Colvile (Plymouth, Sutton and Devonport) (Con):

Mr Hague:

Column: 462

Mr Speaker:

Diana Johnson (Kingston upon Hull North) (Lab):

Mr Hague:

Philip Davies (Shipley) (Con):

Mr Hague:

Column: 463

Tom Greatrex (Rutherglen and Hamilton West) (Lab/Co-op):

Mr Hague:

Caroline Dinenage (Gosport) (Con):

Mr Hague:

Huw Irranca-Davies (Ogmore) (Lab):

Mr Hague:

Column: 464

Ian Swales (Redcar) (LD):

Mr Hague:

Robert Halfon (Harlow) (Con):

Mr Hague:

Mr Marcus Jones (Nuneaton) (Con):

Mr Hague:

Column: 465

Bob Blackman (Harrow East) (Con):

Mr Hague:

John Hemming (Birmingham, Yardley) (LD):

Mr Hague:

Mr David Nuttall (Bury North) (Con):

Column: 466

Mr Hague:

Mr Philip Hollobone (Kettering) (Con):

Mr Hague:

Julian Smith (Skipton and Ripon) (Con):

Mr Hague:

Jeremy Lefroy (Stafford) (Con):

Column: 467

Mr Hague:

Column: 468

ISIL: Iraq and Syria [16 Oct 2014]

11.48 am

The Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs (Mr Philip Hammond):

Column: 469

Column: 470

Column: 471

12.3 pm

Mr Douglas Alexander (Paisley and Renfrewshire South) (Lab):

Column: 472

Column: 473

12.9 pm

Mr Hammond:

Column: 474

Column: 475

Sir Richard Ottaway (Croydon South) (Con):

Mr Hammond:

Column: 476

Mr Peter Hain (Neath) (Lab):

Mr Hammond:

Sir Menzies Campbell (North East Fife) (LD):

Column: 477

Mr Hammond:

Mike Gapes (Ilford South) (Lab/Co-op):

Mr Hammond:

Dr Liam Fox (North Somerset) (Con):

Mr Hammond:

Column: 478

Hywel Williams (Arfon) (PC):

Mr Hammond:

Mr John Baron (Basildon and Billericay) (Con):

Mr Hammond:

Column: 479

Meg Hillier (Hackney South and Shoreditch) (Lab/Co-op):

Mr Hammond:

Sarah Newton (Truro and Falmouth) (Con):

Mr Hammond:

Sandra Osborne (Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock) (Lab):

Mr Hammond:

Sandra Osborne:

Column: 480

Mr Hammond:

Several hon. Members

Madam Deputy Speaker (Dame Dawn Primarolo):

Sir Gerald Howarth (Aldershot) (Con):

Bob Stewart (Beckenham) (Con):

Sir Gerald Howarth:

Mr Hammond:

Mr Tom Clarke (Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill) (Lab):

Mr Hammond:

Column: 481

Mr David Jones (Clwyd West) (Con):

Mr Hammond:

Jeremy Corbyn (Islington North) (Lab):

Mr Hammond:

Column: 482

Mr Philip Hollobone (Kettering) (Con):

Madam Deputy Speaker (Dame Dawn Primarolo):

Mr Hammond:

Ms Gisela Stuart (Birmingham, Edgbaston) (Lab):

Mr Hammond:

Julian Smith (Skipton and Ripon) (Con):

Column: 483

Mr Hammond:

Keith Vaz (Leicester East) (Lab):

Mr Hammond:

Ms Diane Abbott (Hackney North and Stoke Newington) (Lab):

Mr Hammond:

Jim Shannon (Strangford) (DUP):

Column: 484

Mr Hammond:

John Woodcock (Barrow and Furness) (Lab/Co-op):

Mr Hammond:

Diana Johnson (Kingston upon Hull North) (Lab):

Mr Hammond:

John Cryer (Leyton and Wanstead) (Lab):

Mr Hammond:

Column: 485

Mr Andrew Love (Edmonton) (Lab/Co-op):

Mr Hammond:

Huw Irranca-Davies (Ogmore) (Lab):

Mr Hammond:

Column: 486

Point of Order [16 Oct 2014]

12.56 pm

Guto Bebb (Aberconwy) (Con):

Madam Deputy Speaker (Dame Dawn Primarolo):

Column: 487

Cycling [16 Oct 2014]

Madam Deputy Speaker (Dame Dawn Primarolo):

12.58 pm

Ian Austin (Dudley North) (Lab):

Column: 488

Sir Robert Smith (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD):

Ian Austin:

Kerry McCarthy (Bristol East) (Lab):

Ian Austin:

Ian Lucas (Wrexham) (Lab):

Ian Austin:

Column: 489

Caroline Lucas (Brighton, Pavilion) (Green):

Ian Austin:

Jim Fitzpatrick (Poplar and Limehouse) (Lab):

Ian Austin:

Column: 490

Column: 491

Mr Ben Bradshaw (Exeter) (Lab):

Ian Austin

Madam Deputy Speaker (Dame Dawn Primarolo):

Ian Austin:

Madam Deputy Speaker:

Ian Austin:

Madam Deputy Speaker:

1.13 pm

Column: 492

Sir George Young (North West Hampshire) (Con):

Column: 493

Nia Griffith (Llanelli) (Lab):

Sir George Young:

Column: 494

Ian Austin:

Sir George Young:

Ian Austin:

Sir George Young:

1.21 pm

Mr Ben Bradshaw (Exeter) (Lab):

Column: 495

Kerry McCarthy (Bristol East) (Lab):

Mr Bradshaw:

Jeremy Corbyn (Islington North) (Lab):

Mr Bradshaw:

Column: 496

Caroline Lucas (Brighton, Pavilion) (Green):

Mr Bradshaw:

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Transport (Mr Robert Goodwill):

Column: 497

Mr Bradshaw:

1.31 pm

Maria Miller (Basingstoke) (Con):

Ian Austin:

Column: 498

Maria Miller:

Dr Julian Huppert (Cambridge) (LD):

Maria Miller:

Bob Stewart (Beckenham) (Con):

Maria Miller:

Column: 499

Sir Nicholas Soames (Mid Sussex) (Con)

Maria Miller:

Column: 500

1.42 pm

Jim Fitzpatrick (Poplar and Limehouse) (Lab):

Dr Huppert:

Column: 501

Jim Fitzpatrick:

Sir Nicholas Soames:

Jim Fitzpatrick:

Column: 502

Zac Goldsmith (Richmond Park) (Con):

Jim Fitzpatrick:

Column: 503

1.52 pm

Dr Julian Huppert (Cambridge) (LD):

Column: 504

Column: 505

Nicola Blackwood (Oxford West and Abingdon) (Con):

Dr Huppert:

Jeremy Corbyn:

Dr Huppert:

Column: 506

Ian Austin:

Dr Huppert:

Column: 507

2.3 pm

Meg Hillier (Hackney South and Shoreditch) (Lab/Co-op):

Bob Stewart:

Meg Hillier:

Column: 508

Column: 509

2.13 pm

Jason McCartney (Colne Valley) (Con):

Column: 510

Bob Stewart:

Jason McCartney:

Mr Jim Cunningham (Coventry South) (Lab):

Jason McCartney:

Column: 511

Michael Ellis (Northampton North) (Con):

Column: 512

Jason McCartney:

2.23 pm

Mark Lazarowicz (Edinburgh North and Leith) (Lab/Co-op):

Column: 513

Neil Carmichael (Stroud) (Con):

Mark Lazarowicz:

Column: 514

Zac Goldsmith:

Mark Lazarowicz:

2.31 pm

Column: 515

Pauline Latham (Mid Derbyshire) (Con):

Column: 516

2.39 pm

Dr Julian Lewis (New Forest East) (Con):

Column: 517

Ian Austin:

Dr Lewis:

Ian Austin

Dr Lewis:

Column: 518

Dr Huppert:

Dr Lewis:

2.48 pm

Richard Burden (Birmingham, Northfield) (Lab):

Column: 519

Column: 520

Mr Bradshaw:

Richard Burden:

Column: 521

Dr Huppert:

Richard Burden:

Mr Bradshaw:

Column: 522

Richard Burden:

Dr Huppert

Richard Burden:

3.1 pm

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Transport (Mr Robert Goodwill):

Column: 523

Sir Greg Knight (East Yorkshire) (Con):

Column: 524

Mr Goodwill:

Bob Stewart:

Mr Goodwill:

Richard Burden:

Mr Goodwill:

Mr Robin Walker (Worcester) (Con):

Column: 525

Mr Goodwill:

Column: 526

Column: 527

Mark Lazarowicz:

Mr Goodwill:

Mr Deputy Speaker (Mr Lindsay Hoyle):

Mark Lazarowicz:

Mr Goodwill:

Column: 528

Mr Deputy Speaker (Mr Lindsay Hoyle):

3.17 pm

Ian Austin:

Column: 529

National Pollinator Strategy [16 Oct 2014]

3.19 pm

Sarah Newton (Truro and Falmouth) (Con):

Neil Parish (Tiverton and Honiton) (Con):

Sarah Newton:

Column: 530

Roger Williams (Brecon and Radnorshire) (LD):

Sarah Newton:

Michael Ellis (Northampton North) (Con):

Sarah Newton:

Column: 531

Column: 532

Maria Miller (Basingstoke) (Con):

Sarah Newton:

Bob Stewart (Beckenham) (Con):

Sarah Newton:

Column: 533

Sir Greg Knight (East Yorkshire) (Con):

Sarah Newton:

Zac Goldsmith (Richmond Park) (Con):

Sarah Newton:

Several hon. Members

Mr Deputy Speaker (Mr Lindsay Hoyle):

Column: 534

3.37 pm

Dr Alan Whitehead (Southampton, Test) (Lab):

Neil Carmichael (Stroud) (Con):

Dr Whitehead:

Roger Williams (Brecon and Radnorshire) (LD):

Column: 535

Dr Whitehead:

Zac Goldsmith:

Mr Deputy Speaker (Mr Lindsay Hoyle):

Dr Whitehead:

Column: 536

3.49 pm

Mr David Heath (Somerton and Frome) (LD):

Column: 537

Dr Sarah Wollaston (Totnes) (Con):

Column: 538

Mr Heath:

4 pm

Joan Walley (Stoke-on-Trent North) (Lab):

Column: 539

Neil Carmichael:

Joan Walley:

Dr Wollaston:

Column: 540

Joan Walley:

Column: 541

4.11 pm

Roger Williams (Brecon and Radnorshire) (LD):

Neil Carmichael:

Column: 542

Roger Williams:

Bob Stewart:

Roger Williams:

Column: 543

Several hon. Members

Mr Deputy Speaker (Mr Lindsay Hoyle):

4.20 pm

Kerry McCarthy (Bristol East) (Lab):

Glyn Davies (Montgomeryshire) (Con):

Column: 544

Kerry McCarthy:

4.26 pm

Column: 545

Dr Matthew Offord (Hendon) (Con):

Column: 546

Column: 547

4.34 pm

Mark Lazarowicz (Edinburgh North and Leith) (Lab/Co-op):

Column: 548

4.38 pm

Barry Gardiner (Brent North) (Lab):

Mr Speaker:

Barry Gardiner:

Mr Heath:

Barry Gardiner:

Mr Barry Sheerman (Huddersfield) (Lab/Co-op):

Column: 549

Barry Gardiner:

Column: 550

Mrs Caroline Spelman (Meriden) (Con):

Barry Gardiner:

Column: 551

Mr Speaker:

Barry Gardiner:

Column: 552

Mr Speaker:

4.52 pm

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Dan Rogerson):

Column: 553

Column: 554

4.58 pm

Sarah Newton:

Business without Debate [16 Oct 2014]

House of Commons Governance [16 Oct 2014]

Column: 555

UK Government: Scotland [16 Oct 2014]

5 pm

Mr Gordon Brown (Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath) (Lab):

Column: 556

Column: 557

Pete Wishart (Perth and North Perthshire) (SNP)

Mr Brown:

Column: 558

Mr Dominic Raab (Esher and Walton) (Con):

Mr Brown:

Column: 559

5.14 pm

The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr Alistair Carmichael):

Column: 560

Pete Wishart:

Mr Carmichael:

Column: 561

Column: 562

Cathy Jamieson (Kilmarnock and Loudoun) (Lab/Co-op)

Mr Carmichael:

Ian Murray (Edinburgh South) (Lab):

Mr Carmichael:

Column: 563

Pete Wishart:

Mr Carmichael:

Column: 564

5.30 pm