The progress of the UK's negotiations on EU withdrawal Contents

Formal Minutes

Tuesday 28 November 2017

Members present:

Hilary Benn, in the Chair

Joanna Cherry

Mr Christopher Chope

Stephen Crabb

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Richard Graham

Peter Grant

Wera Hobhouse

Stephen Kinnock

Jeremy Lefroy

Mr Pat McFadden

Craig Mackinlay

Seema Malhotra

Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg

Stephen Timms

Mr John Whittingdale

Hywel Williams

Sammy Wilson

Draft Report (The progress of the UK’s negotiations on EU withdrawal) proposed by the Chair, brought up and read.

Question put, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 46 agreed to.

Paragraph 47 read.

Amendment proposed, to leave out from “Ireland.” in line 9 to the end of the paragraph – (Mr Christopher Chope)

Question put, That the amendment be made.

The Committee divided.

Ayes, 7

Mr Christopher Chope

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Richard Graham

Craig Mackinlay

Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg

Mr John Whittingdale

Sammy Wilson

Noes, 10

Joanna Cherry

Stephen Crabb

Peter Grant

Wera Hobhouse

Stephen Kinnock

Jeremy Lefroy

Mr Pat McFadden

Seema Malhotra

Stephen Timms

Hywel Williams

Question accordingly negatived.

Motion made, and Question put, That the paragraph stand part of the Report.

The Committee divided.

Ayes, 12

Joanna Cherry

Stephen Crabb

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Richard Graham

Peter Grant

Wera Hobhouse

Stephen Kinnock

Jeremy Lefroy

Mr Pat McFadden

Seema Malhotra

Stephen Timms

Hywel Williams

Noes, 5

Mr Christopher Chope

Craig Mackinlay

Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg

Mr John Whittingdale

Sammy Wilson

Paragraph accordingly agreed to.

Paragraphs 48 to 57 agreed to.

Paragraph 58 read.

Motion made, and Question put, That the paragraph stand part of the Report.

The Committee divided.

Ayes, 13

Joanna Cherry

Stephen Crabb

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Richard Graham

Peter Grant

Wera Hobhouse

Stephen Kinnock

Jeremy Lefroy

Mr Pat McFadden

Seema Malhotra

Stephen Timms

Mr John Whittingdale

Hywel Williams

Noes, 4

Mr Christopher Chope

Craig Mackinlay

Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg

Sammy Wilson

Paragraph accordingly agreed to.

Paragraphs 59 to 108 agreed to.

Paragraph 109 read.

Amendment proposed, to leave out from “harmony.” to “Furthermore”. – (Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg)

Question put, That the amendment be made.

The Committee divided.

Ayes, 8

Mr Christopher Chope

Stephen Crabb

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Richard Graham

Craig Mackinlay

Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg

Mr John Whittingdale

Sammy Wilson

Noes, 9

Joanna Cherry

Peter Grant

Wera Hobhouse

Stephen Kinnock

Jeremy Lefroy

Mr Pat McFadden

Seema Malhotra

Stephen Timms

Hywel Williams

Question accordingly negatived.

Paragraph agreed to.

Paragraph 110 read.

Amendment proposed, to add at end “In essence, we were being told that the United Kingdom will be held to ransom in any trade deal by all those in the EU who wish to promote protectionism and undermine free trade.” – (Mr Christopher Chope)

Question put, That the amendment be made.

The Committee divided.

Ayes, 5

Mr Christopher Chope

Craig Mackinlay

Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg

Mr John Whittingdale

Sammy Wilson

Noes, 12

Joanna Cherry

Stephen Crabb

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Richard Graham

Peter Grant

Wera Hobhouse

Stephen Kinnock

Jeremy Lefroy

Mr Pat McFadden

Seema Malhotra

Stephen Timms

Hywel Williams

Question accordingly negatived.

Paragraph agreed to.

Paragraph 111 agreed to.

Paragraph 112 read.

Amendment proposed, to leave out from the first “which” to “The Government’s stated” and insert “there is good will on either side. The principle of equivalence could easily replace that of harmonisation. Free trade negotiations can be conducted with considerable speed; for example the United States and Australia agreed their free trade deal within a year.” – (Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg)

Question put, That the amendment be made.

The Committee divided.

Ayes, 5

Mr Christopher Chope

Craig Mackinlay

Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg

Mr John Whittingdale

Sammy Wilson

Noes, 12

Joanna Cherry

Stephen Crabb

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Richard Graham

Peter Grant

Wera Hobhouse

Stephen Kinnock

Jeremy Lefroy

Mr Pat McFadden

Seema Malhotra

Stephen Timms

Hywel Williams

Question accordingly negatived.

Amendment proposed, after “same benefits as we have.” to insert “such a deal must deliver the Government’s aim in both goods and services. We look forward to monitoring progress on this over the coming year.” – (Mr Pat McFadden)

Question put, That the amendment be made.

The Committee divided.

Ayes, 11

Joanna Cherry

Stephen Crabb

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Peter Grant

Wera Hobhouse

Stephen Kinnock

Jeremy Lefroy

Mr Pat McFadden

Seema Malhotra

Stephen Timms

Hywel Williams

Noes, 6

Mr Christopher Chope

Richard Graham

Craig Mackinlay

Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg

Mr John Whittingdale

Sammy Wilson

Amendment agreed to.

Paragraph, as amended, agreed to.

Paragraphs 113 to 116 agreed to.

Paragraph 117 read, as follows

It is also deeply unsatisfactory that the only option available to Parliament will be to endorse the deal the Government has negotiated or to accept the consequences of leaving the EU without a deal. If necessary the exit date must be postponed and Article 50 extended to avoid this and Parliament must have the opportunity to instruct the Government to adopt a different approach to the negotiations if the national interest demands it.

Motion made, and Question put, That the paragraph stand part of the Report.

The Committee divided.

Ayes, 8

Joanna Cherry

Peter Grant

Wera Hobhouse

Stephen Kinnock

Mr Pat McFadden

Seema Malhotra

Stephen Timms

Hywel Williams

Noes, 9

Mr Christopher Chope

Stephen Crabb

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Richard Graham

Jeremy Lefroy

Craig Mackinlay

Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg

Mr John Whittingdale

Sammy Wilson

Paragraph accordingly negatived.

Paragraphs 118 to 123 (now 117 to 122) agreed to.

Paragraph 124 (now 123) read.

Amendment proposed, to leave out from “negotiations” to the end and insert “or, as Konrad Schiemann pointed out, because the ECJ rules any deal reached invalid. This is not without its advantages. No money would be owed to the EU, the benefits of free trade would start immediately and the ECJ would no longer have any jurisdiction over the UK’s affairs. It would be preferable to have a deal if it were are the right price but World Trade Organisation terms is a good second best.”- (Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg)

Question put, That the amendment be made.

The Committee divided.

Ayes, 5

Mr Christopher Chope

Craig Mackinlay

Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg

Mr John Whittingdale

Sammy Wilson

Noes, 12

Joanna Cherry

Stephen Crabb

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Richard Graham

Peter Grant

Wera Hobhouse

Stephen Kinnock

Jeremy Lefroy

Mr Pat McFadden

Seema Malhotra

Stephen Timms

Hywel Williams

Question accordingly negatived.

Amendment proposed, at end to add “The Prime Minister has previously stated that ‘No deal is better than a bad deal’. It is difficult to imagine any possible deal, consistent with WTO and other international treaties, that would be more damaging to the UK’s interests than leaving the EU with no deal whatsoever in place.” – (Peter Grant)

The Committee divided.

Ayes, 9

Joanna Cherry

Peter Grant

Wera Hobhouse

Stephen Kinnock

Jeremy Lefroy

Mr Pat McFadden

Seema Malhotra

Stephen Timms

Hywel Williams

Noes, 8

Mr Christopher Chope

Stephen Crabb

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Richard Graham

Craig Mackinlay

Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg

Mr John Whittingdale

Sammy Wilson

Question accordingly agreed to.

Motion made and Question put, That the paragraph, as amended, stand part of the report.

The Committee divided.

Ayes, 9

Joanna Cherry

Peter Grant

Wera Hobhouse

Stephen Kinnock

Jeremy Lefroy

Mr Pat McFadden

Seema Malhotra

Stephen Timms

Hywel Williams

Noes, 8

Mr Christopher Chope

Stephen Crabb

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Richard Graham

Craig Mackinlay

Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg

Mr John Whittingdale

Sammy Wilson

Paragraph accordingly agreed to.

Question put, That the Report be the Second Report of the Committee to the House.

The Committee divided:

Ayes, 12

Joanna Cherry

Stephen Crabb

Mr Jonathan Djanogly

Richard Graham

Peter Grant

Wera Hobhouse

Stephen Kinnock

Jeremy Lefroy

Mr Pat McFadden

Seema Malhotra

Stephen Timms

Hywel Williams

Noes, 5

Mr Christopher Chope

Craig Mackinlay

Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg

Mr John Whittingdale

Sammy Wilson

Question accordingly agreed to.

Ordered, That the Chair make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That embargoed copies of the Report be made available (Standing Order No. 134).

[Adjourned till Wednesday 29 November at 9 a.m.





30 November 2017