Joint Committee on the Draft Disability Discrimination Bill Minutes of Evidence


Further memorandum from the Department for Work and Pensions (DDB 115)

QUESTIONS RAISED IN THE CLERK TO THE SCRUTINY COMMITTEE'S LETTER OF 15 MARCH

 (Q1)   Are any estimates now available regarding the definitive global costs to local authorities, and private clubs of the proposals? If not, what is the timescale for completing this part of the cost assessment?

  (A1)  The draft RIA uses existing data sources to analyse the potential costs and benefits in respect of the measures which impact on local authorities and private clubs. The Government is confident that it provides a sound foundation in the lead-up to the introduction of the full Bill, at which time we will publish a revised version of the RIA.

  In support of this work, we are planning to carry out public consultation exercises on our proposals for draft Regulations using the powers laid down in the clauses concerning public authority duties and private clubs. These consultations will enable us to ensure that we have got the nature and balance of the Regulations right. That will include reviewing our assumptions on the costs of complying with the new duties.

  We will give full consideration to submissions to the Committee from organisations like the Local Government Association (LGA) which have suggested that some costs may be an under-estimate.

 (Q2)   We are concerned by the lack of information regarding the monitoring regime for these new proposals. It would be useful if the RIA provided further information about the systems used for monitoring and how often this would take place. This should give a good indication of how soon the department expects the measures to be fully implemented and what will constitute success or failure. Can this information be provided?

  (A2)  The Disability Rights Commission (DRC) has a statutory duty to monitor the Disability Discrimination Act (see s2 of the Disability Rights Commission Act 1999) and as part of this duty commissions independent research, where appropriate. The work of the DRC, including research, is a significant contribution to ensuring that the DDA is properly and effectively monitored and supplements the Government's own monitoring processes.

  We have regard to a wide range of data such as Employment Tribunal, Employment Appeal Tribunal and court cases taken under the Disability Discrimination Act (DDA), that provided by organisations like the Office for National Statistics (eg the quarterly Labour Force Survey), and DRC statistics on issues raised by callers to its Helpline and considered by its conciliation service.

  The DWP has commissioned a series of research projects monitoring the provisions of the DDA as they apply to both employers and service providers. The findings from these have informed our publicity campaign for the current year, which will focus on small and medium-sized businesses.

  We will also be commissioning further significant baseline research with service providers and small employers on both the Bill's proposed duties and the October 2004 changes to the DDA. The data gathered, which will be widely disseminated, will help reinforce future actions to enhance and encourage compliance.

  We are currently planning ongoing monitoring in support of the provisions of the DDA more generally. Further research will be developed in support of the Bill and DDA's provisions and will be used to measure how the Bill is operating.

  This wide range of measures and initiatives allows us to ensure that the legislative framework is effectively monitored.

 (Q3)   The RIA does not explicitly address the risk that the Bill's measures might not be complied with and therefore be largely inefficacious. How is this risk being addressed?

  (A3)  Experience of the DDA in operation has shown the Act has been widely accepted across those sectors it affects. However, the Government wants to do more to raise awareness. That is why we are launching high profile campaigns aimed at wide areas of society.

  Most of the specific measures proposed in the Bill have already been consulted upon nationally as part of our public consultation document "Towards Inclusion". Further consultations are planned to complement this activity.

  The majority of the draft Bill's measures were proposed by the Disability Rights Task Force which had membership from disability organisations, the private and public sectors, and trade unions. Many of its members were themselves disabled or had first hand experience of disability issues and were able to provide a valuable insight during the work of the Task Force. The Task Force has set the agenda for civil rights change and it is that to which we are responding with our proposals in the draft Bill.

  It is clear that a well paced approach to taking through new disability discrimination legislation, involving widespread involvement and consultation, has ensured appropriate debate and greater acceptance. The new legislation is responsive and sensitive to the needs of both disabled people and the sectors on which new duties will impinge.

  For these reasons, the Government is confident that the risk of non-compliance is low. This is supported by experience of levels of non-compliance to date, based on the numbers of formal complaints and use of the DRC's conciliation service on access issues, amongst all disabled employees covered and all disabled customers.

  The DRC's Codes of Practice, its ongoing enforcement activity and awareness raising campaigns by both the Commission and Government will continue to contribute to ensuring that the Bill's duties, once in place, are understood and met.

 (Q4)   For each of the following measures total costs will depend upon what are considered "reasonable" adjustments to make:

    —  letting of premises;

    —  extension of scope of DDA to "functions" of public bodies;

    —  private clubs;

    —  disabled councillors.

  Given that these measures are as yet untested this introduces uncertainty into the cost estimates as the full extent of changes and adjustments which might be considered reasonable for bodies to carry out is not yet known. What assessment has been made of the sensitivity of the estimated costs to changes in the underlying assumptions, in particular what is deemed "reasonable"?

  (A4)  Under s53A of the DDA, the DRC can issue Codes of Practice on matters covered by the Act. The Codes are an effective means of helping those with new duties to understand and implement them and to restrict inadvertent non-compliance. They include guidance on what actions might be regarded as reasonable

  It is important to bear in mind that the provisions in the draft Bill on reasonable adjustments—which reflect existing provisions of the DDA—would require landlords, public authorities, private clubs and local authorities to "take such steps, as it is reasonable in all the circumstances of the case to have to take . . .", when the duty is triggered. Ultimately, it is for the courts to decide what steps are reasonable in the particular circumstances concerned, having regard to DRC Codes of Practice.

  The courts are experienced in interpreting reasonableness. We are aware of nothing which undermines the assumptions in the RIA. They are based on knowledge and experience of how existing duties in the DDA operate and on research into what employers and services providers actually do in practice.

 (Q5)   Will any attempt be made to quantify the Bill's benefits in order to facilitate a more robust comparison of the balance of costs and benefits to the disabled and the wider community of each proposal?

  (A5)  The draft RIA quantifies costs and benefits to organisations of the proposed changes in the draft Disability Discrimination Bill. The gains to disabled people, and the rest of society, will in part be financial and are already captured in the draft RIA.

  However, there will also be other gains which are non-financial in nature, such as improvements in personal well-being and changing attitudes and perceptions to disability. There are also benefits to society from removing institutional and other barriers to participation for disabled people, and the changes we are proposing in the draft Bill will do this in a way which minimises the costs.

March 2004





 
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