Physical adjustments to listed
and other buildings
292. The ALC advised that private clubs had faced
a number of problems where they had attempted to introduce measures
to assist people but were not permitted to do so by heritage and
planning authorities. It argued that these "hoops and barriers"
should be removed before legislation comes into force, so that
the burden of reconciling conflicting legislation did not fall
on individual clubs.[339]
Examples of the problems faced in improving access for disabled
people included a club being refused permission to put in a lift
or to install ramps from the front door to the street.[340]
293. In oral evidence the Minister for Disabled
People was clear that the DDA could not require anything to be
done that would contravene another piece of legislation.[341]
A written answer in 1999, in response to a Parliamentary question
about the position of listed buildings under Part 3 DDA, stated
that under Planning Policy Guidance Note PPG 15 disabled people
should have dignified easy access to and within historic buildings
and that it should normally be possible to plan access without
compromising a building's special interest. However, where a service
provider had to get statutory consent to a particular alteration
and the consent was not given, the DDA would not have been contravened.
In these circumstances, a service provider would need to take
"whatever other steps under the Act were reasonable to provide
the service".[342]
294. The Committee notes that in future all
public authorities, including English Heritage, will come under
both the duty in clause 4 not to discriminate in the exercise
of their functions, and the duty under clause 8 to promote equality
of opportunity for disabled people. This should ensure that all
heritage and planning authorities respond sympathetically and
helpfully to requests for alterations under the DDA.
Training for staff in private
clubs
295. Evidence to the Committee suggested that
in the private club sector there may be "a lack of experience
and understanding" in the attitudes of staff and members
towards disabled people and that "support and training may
need to be provided".[343]
Simon Cramp argued that "clubs, in particular, are a place
where changing people's attitudes to disabled people is as important
as changing the law".[344]
Turning Point highlighted that by creating accessible clubs they
may actually become places where "people's attitudes towards
disabled people may be challenged".[345]
296. In the draft RIA, the Government acknowledged
that a club may have a range of ways of improving access other
than altering a physical feature. Examples given of possible costs
include additional facilities and administrative costs (to enable
participation in annual general meetings or voting). No mention
is made of training for staff. (See also chapter 14.)
297. The Committee agrees that effective training
of staff is likely to be a factor in the successful implementation
of the new duties for private clubs. We recommend that the
Government estimate the potential cost of this in the full RIA.
319 Written evidence was received from Sport England
and Selected National Governing Bodies of Sport, Ev 361; and the
British Paralympic Association, Ev 283 Back
320
Q 365 (Ms Deane) Back
321
Q 366 (Mr Smyth) Back
322
Q 366 (Mr Doble) Back
323
Proposed section 21G(1)(a) Back
324
Ev 76, paras 2.2 - 2.5 Back
325
Explanatory Notes, para 52 Back
326
Q 778 Back
327
Appendix 4, clause 5 Back
328
QQ 778-9 Back
329
Ev 328, para 15 Back
330
Ev 1, para 5.3 Back
331
Ev 406, para 8 Back
332
Q 409 (Mr Smyth) Back
333
Q 408 (Mr Doble) Back
334
QQ 409 & 366 (Mr Doble) Back
335
Q 779 Back
336
Explanatory Notes, para 53, p10 Back
337
Draft RIA, para 3.4 Back
338
Draft RIA, para 3.5 Back
339
Q 372 (Mr Doble) Back
340
Q 373 (Mr Doble) Back
341
Q 781 Back
342
House of Commons Debates 19 May 1999 c387-8W Back
343
Sense, Ev 342, para 4.3 and Simon Cramp, Ev 314, para 6 Back
344
Ev 314, para 6 Back
345
Ev 328, para 15 Back