APPENDIX 6: FORMAL MINUTES
Extract from House of Lords Minute 17 December
2003
Disability Discrimination—It was moved by the
Lord President (Baroness Amos) that it is expedient that a Joint
Committee of Lords and Commons be appointed to consider and report
on the draft Disability Discrimination Bill presented to both
Houses on 3rd December (Cm 6058), and that the Committee should
report on the draft Bill by the end of April 2004; the motion
was agreed to and a message was ordered to be sent to the Commons
to acquaint them therewith.
Extract from Votes and Proceedings of the House
of Commons 15 January 2004
Draft Disability Discrimination Bill (Joint Committee)—Ordered,
That the Lords Message of 17th December relating to a Joint Committee
of both Houses to consider and report on the draft Disability
Discrimination Bill presented to both Houses on 3rd December (Cm.
6058) be now considered.
That this House concurs with the Lords that it is
expedient that a Joint Committee of Lords and Commons be appointed
to consider and report on the draft Disability Discrimination
Bill presented to both Houses on 3rd December (Cm. 6058), and
that the Committee should report on the draft Bill by the end
of April 2004.
That a Select Committee of six honourable Members
be appointed to join with the Committee appointed by the Lords
to consider the draft Disability Discrimination Bill.
That the Committee shall have power-
(i) to send for persons, papers and records;
(ii) to sit notwithstanding any adjournment of the
House;
(iii) to report from time to time;
(iv) to appoint specialist advisers; and
(v) to adjourn from place to place within the United
Kingdom.
That the quorum of the Committee shall be two; and
That Miss Anne Begg, Mr Roger Berry, Mr Tom Clarke,
Mr Paul Goodman, Tom Levitt and Mr Roger Williams be members of
the Committee.-(Mr Fraser Kemp.)
Extract from House of Lords Minute 21 January
2004
Disability Discrimination—It was moved by the
Chairman of Committees that the Commons message of 19th January
be now considered, and that a Committee of six Lords be appointed
to join with the Committee appointed by the Commons to consider
and report on the draft Disability Discrimination Bill presented
to both Houses on 3rd December 2003 (Cm 6058);
That, as proposed by the Committee of Selection,
the Lords following be named of the Committee:
L. Addington
L. Carter
L. Rix
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L. Tebbit
B. Wilkins;
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That the Committee have power to agree with the Commons in the
appointment of a Chairman;
That the Committee have leave to report from time
to time;
That the Committee have power to appoint specialist
advisers;
That the Committee have power to adjourn from place
to place within the United Kingdom;
That the quorum of the Committee shall be two;
That the reports of the Committee from time to time
shall be printed, notwithstanding any adjournment of the House;
and
That the Committee do report on the draft Bill by
the end of April 2004;
the motion was agreed to and a message was ordered
to be sent to the Commons to acquaint them therewith.
Die Mercurii 21º Januarii 2004
Present:
Lord Addington
Rt Hon the Lord Carter
Lord Rix
Lord Swinfen
Baroness Wilkins
| | Mr Roger Berry
Rt Hon Tom Clarke
Mr Paul Goodman
Tom Levitt
Mr Roger Williams
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The Orders of Reference are read.
The declarations of relevant interests are made:
Lord Addington declared an interest as Vice President,
British Dyslexia Association; Patron, Adult Dyslexia Association;
and Patron, Carousel.
Lord Carter declared an interest as Trustee, Andrew
Carter Trust; Trustee, Shaw Trust; Vice Patron, VocalEyes; and
Vice Patron, Carousel.
Lord Rix declared an interest as President, Friends
of Normansfield; Chairman, Libertas; Chairman, Mencap City Foundation;
President, Royal Mencap Society; and Chairman, MCIS Ltd.
Lord Swinfen declared an interest as a Member, Advisory
Board of The Leonard Cheshire Centre of Conflict Recovery; Administrator,
Swinfen Charitable Trust; President, South East Region British
Sports Association for the Disabled; Vice Chairman, United Kingdom
/ Japan Research and Development Group for Ageing Disability and
Technology (RADGADAT); and Member, 1 in 8 group.
Baroness Wilkins declared a relevant interest as
President, College of Occupational Therapists; Vice Chair, Hammersmith
and Fulham Action on Disability; Patron, Asian People with Disabilities
Alliance; Patron, HoDis; and Patron, Artsline.
Mr Roger Berry declared an interest as Vice President,
Disabled Drivers' Association; and Secretary, All-Party Disability
Group.
Rt Hon Tom Clarke declared an interest as President,
Disabled Drivers' Association; and Co-Chair, All-Party Learning
Disabilities Group.
Tom Levitt declared an interest as a former trustee
of the Royal National Institute for Deaf People; Patron, National
Association of Deafened People; former consultant to local authorities
on disabled access; voluntary fellowship with Leonard Cheshire;
and President, Buxton Branch of Arthritis Care.
It is moved that Rt Hon the Lord Carter do take the
Chair.—(Lord Swinfen.)
The same is agreed to.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, That Strangers
be admitted during the examination of witnesses unless otherwise
ordered.
Ordered, That the uncorrected
transcripts of oral evidence given, unless the Committee otherwise
orders, be published on the Internet.
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be adjourned to Tuesday 27 January at 2.30 p.m.
Die Martis 27º Januarii 2004
Present:
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Lord Addington
Lord Rix
Lord Swinfen
Baroness Wilkins
| | Miss Anne Begg
Mr Roger Berry
Rt Hon Tom Clarke
Mr Paul Goodman
Tom Levitt
Mr Roger Williams
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Rt Hon the Lord Carter in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Wednesday 21 January are read.
Miss Anne Begg declared relevant interests as Patron,
National Federation of Shopmobility; and Patron, Angus Special
Play Scheme.
The Joint Committee deliberate, assisted by members
of the bill team.
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be adjourned to Wednesday 11 February at 2.30 p.m.
Die Mercurii 11º Februarii 2004
Present:
Lord Addington
Lord Swinfen
Rt Hon the Lord Tebbit
Baroness Wilkins
| | Miss Anne Begg
Mr Roger Berry
Rt Hon Tom Clarke
Mr Paul Goodman
Tom Levitt
Mr Roger Williams
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Rt Hon the Lord Carter in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Tuesday 27 January are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, That Dr Jenny
Morris and Barbara Cohen be appointed as Specialist Advisers to
assist the Committee in its inquiry into the draft Disability
Discrimination Bill.
The following witnesses are examined:
Mr Bert Massie, Chair, and Ms Caroline Gooding, Special
Adviser, Disability Rights Commission.
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be adjourned to Wednesday 25 February at 2.30 p.m.
Die Mercurii 25º Februarii 2004
Present:
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Lord Addington
Lord Rix
Lord Swinfen
Rt Hon the Lord Tebbit
Baroness Wilkins
| | Miss Anne Begg
Tom Levitt
Mr Roger Williams
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Rt Hon the Lord Carter in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Wednesday 11 February are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witnesses are examined:
Mr Alan Scoles, Chairman, Coach Commission, Mr Steven
Salmon, Operations Director, Confederation of Passenger Transport;
Mr Neil Betteridge, Chair, Ms Ann Bates, Chair of Rail Working
Group, and Mr Grahame Lawson, Local Authority and Personal Mobility
Working Group, Disabled Persons Transport Advisory Committee.
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be adjourned to Wednesday 3 March at 2.30 p.m.
Die Mercurii 3º Martii 2004
Present:
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Lord Addington
Lord Rix
Rt Hon the Lord Tebbit
Baroness Wilkins
| | Miss Anne Begg
Mr Roger Berry
Rt Hon Tom Clarke
Mr Paul Goodman
Mr Roger Williams
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Rt Hon the Lord Carter in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Wednesday 25 February are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witnesses are examined:
Mr Brian Lamb OBE, Director of Communications, Royal
National Institute for Deaf People (RNID), Mr Steven Winyard,
Head of Public Policy, Royal National Institute for the Blind
(RNIB), Ms Kate Nash, Director, Royal Association for Disability
and Rehabilitation (RADAR), Mr David Congdon, Head of External
Relations, MENCAP.
Ordered, That the Committee
be adjourned to Wednesday 10 March at 2.30 p.m.
Die Mercurii 10º Martii 2004
Present:
Lord Addington
Lord Rix
Lord Swinfen
Rt Hon the Lord Tebbit
Baroness Wilkins
| | Rt Hon Tom Clarke
Tom Levitt
Mr Roger Williams
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Rt Hon the Lord Carter in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Wednesday 3 March are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witnesses are examined:
Councillor Laura Willoughby, Chair, Equalities Executive,
Local Government Association; Mr Richard Price, National Federation
of Residential Landlords, Mr Danny Friedman, Director of Policy,
and Ms Diane Henderson, Head of Care, Support and Diversity, National
Housing Federation.
Ordered, That the Committee
be adjourned to Wednesday 17 March at 2.30 p.m.
Die Mercurii 17º Martii 2004
Present:
Lord Addington
Lord Rix
Lord Swinfen
Rt Hon the Lord Tebitt
Baroness Wilkins
| | Rt Hon Tom Clarke
Mr Paul Goodman
Tom Levitt
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Rt Hon the Lord Carter in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Wednesday 10 March are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Baroness Wilkins declared a relevant interest as
a member, British Council of Disabled People.
The following witnesses are examined:
Mr Andy Rickell, Director, British Council of Disabled
People, Ms Rachel Hurst, Director, Disability Awareness in Action,
Professor Peter Beresford, Director, Centre for Citizen Participation,
Brunel University, and Mr Roy Webb, Policy Officer, National Centre
for Independent Living; Ms Andrée Deane, Public Affairs
Director, Fitness Industry Association, Mr Stephen Doble, Chairman,
Association of London Clubs, and Mr Kevin Smyth, Secretary General,
Working Mens Club and Institute Union.
Ordered, That the Committee
be adjourned to Tuesday 23 March at 2.30 p.m.
Die Martis 23º Martii 2004
Present:
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Lord Addington
Lord Rix
Lord Swinfen
Baroness Wilkins
| | Tom Levitt
Mr Roger Williams
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Rt Hon the Lord Carter in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Wednesday 17 March are read.
Roger Williams MP declared a relevant interest as
a landlord.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witnesses are examined:
Mr Colin Willman, National Councillor, and Mr Stephen
Alambritis, Head of Parliamentary Affairs, Federation of Small
Businesses; Mr Peter Purton, Policy Officer, Disability, Lesbian,
Gay, Bisexual Transgender Rights, Equality & Employment Rights
Department, Ms Sarah Veale, Head of the Equality & Employment
Rights Department, and Nicola Dandridge, Legal Adviser, Trades
Union Congress.
Ordered, That the Committee
be adjourned to Wednesday 24 March at 2.30 p.m.
Die Mercurii 24º Martii 2004
Present:
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Lord Addington
Lord Rix
Lord Swinfen
Lord Tebbit
Baroness Wilkins
| | Mr Roger Berry
Rt Hon Tom Clarke
Mr Paul Goodman
Tom Levitt
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Rt Hon the Lord Carter in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Wednesday 17 March are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witnesses are examined:
Ms Lucy Scott-Moncrieff, Joint Chair, Mental Health
and Disability Committee, Mr David Ruebain, Joint Chair, Mental
Health and Disability Committee, and Ms Vicki Chapman, Head of
Law Reform, Law Society.
Ordered, That the Committee
be adjourned to Tuesday 30 March at 2.30 p.m.
Die Martis 30º Martii 2004
Present:
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Lord Addington
Lord Rix
Lord Swinfen
Baroness Wilkins
| | Miss Anne Begg
Mr Roger Berry
Mr Paul Goodman
Tom Levitt
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Rt Hon the Lord Carter in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Wednesday 24 March are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witnesses are examined:
Ms Rowena Daw, Head of Policy, and Mr Lee Smith,
Director of Network Support, Mind, Mr Gerald Jones, Dr Jed Boardman,
Royal College of Psychiatrists and Mr Paul Farmer, Director of
Legal Affairs, Rethink; and Mr Anthony Robinson, Legal Director,
Commission for Racial Equality; Dame Joan Harbison, Chair, and
Mr Don Leeson, Disability Policy Manager, Equality Commission
for Northern Ireland.
Ordered, That the Committee
be adjourned to Wednesday 31 March at 2.20 p.m.
Die Mercurii 31º Martii 2004
Present:
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Lord Rix
Lord Swinfen
Rt Hon the Lord Tebitt
Baroness Wilkins
| | Miss Anne Begg
Mr Roger Berry
Rt Hon Tom Clarke
Mr Paul Goodman
Tom Levitt
Mr Roger Williams
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Rt Hon the Lord Carter in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Tuesday 30 March are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witnesses are examined:
Ms Maria Eagle, a Member of the House of Commons,
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Work and
Pensions, and Mr Tony McNulty, a Member of the House of Commons,
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Transport.
Ordered, That the Committee
be adjourned to Tuesday 20 April at 2.30 p.m.
Die Martis 20º Aprilis 2004
Present:
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Lord Addington
Lord Rix
Baroness Wilkins
| | Miss Anne Begg
Mr Roger Berry
Rt Hon Tom Clarke
Mr Paul Goodman
Tom Levitt
Mr Roger Williams
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Rt Hon the Lord Carter in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Wednesday 31 March are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, That the Committee
be adjourned to Wednesday 21 April at 2.30 p.m.
Die Mercurii 21º Aprilis 2004
Present:
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Lord Addington
Lord Rix
Baroness Wilkins
| | Miss Anne Begg
Mr Roger Berry
Rt Hon Tom Clarke
Tom Levitt
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Rt Hon the Lord Carter in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Tuesday 20 April are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, That the Committee
be adjourned to Tuesday 27 April at 2.30 p.m.
Die Martis 27º Aprilis 2004
Present:
Lord Addington
Lord Rix
Lord Swinfen
Rt Hon the Lord Tebbit
Baroness Wilkins
| | Miss Anne Begg
Rt Hon Tom Clarke
Mr Paul Goodman
Tom Levitt
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Rt Hon the Lord Carter in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Wednesday 21 April are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
It is moved that the draft Report before the Committee
be read.
The same is agreed to.
Paragraphs 1 to 54 are agreed to.
It is moved by Lord Tebbit in paragraph 55 to leave
out from "Committee" to the end of the paragraph and
insert "does not accept that the mere diagnosis of an illness
or condition not at that timing causing any disability should
constitute evidence of disability".
Objected to; on Question?
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| Lord Swinfen | Lord Addington
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| Lord Tebbit | Lord Carter |
| Lord Rix |
| Baroness Wilkins |
| Miss Anne Begg |
| Rt Hon Tom Clarke |
| Mr Paul Goodman |
| Mr Tom Levitt |
The amendment is disagreed to accordingly.
Paragraph 55 is agreed to.
Paragraphs 56 to 59 are agreed to.
It is moved by Lord Tebbit to leave out paragraphs
60 to 63.
Objected to; on Question?
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| Lord Tebbit | Lord Addington
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| Lord Carter |
| Lord Rix |
| Baroness Wilkins |
| Miss Anne Begg |
| Rt Hon Tom Clarke |
| Mr Paul Goodman |
| Mr Tom Levitt |
The amendment is disagreed to accordingly.
Paragraphs 60 to 399 are agreed to.
Resolved, That the draft
Report be the Report of the Committee to both Houses.
Ordered, That the following
paper be appended to the Report:
Schedule of detailed points made about the draft
bill by witnesses, together with the Government response.
Ordered, That the memoranda
received by the Committee be appended to the Minutes of Evidence.
Ordered, That the provisions
of Commons Standing Order No. 134 (Select committees (reports))
be applied to the Report.
Ordered, That the Chairman
do make the report to the House of Lords and Mr Tom Clarke do
make the report to the House of Commons.
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be now adjourned.
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